WHAT did I just BUY on Facebook Marketplace?? - NetApp Storage Appliance / Disk Shelves 

thanks for correcting your mistakes!!

@@dliratx You are correct in that it uses WAFL and the performance is better with it but you are wrong with the power outage aspect. Power outage protection for NVRAM. (non volatile RAM) is battery backed which is called the NVMEM battery. Combined with WAFL for speed, NETAPP doesn't actually commit a write to disk when the OS tells it to, same for deletes. Its stored in this NVRAM until 1 of 2 conditions is met. Either every 10 seconds, or when the NVRAM fills to 50%. Its then flushed to disk. The cache is set up into 2 sections. Each = 50% of the total NVRAM. Lets say that NVRAM size is 2Gb then it splits that into 2 sections by 50%. So there is always 2 cache banks at any given time. Due to this delay in commits to Any data in in this NVRAM when a power outage occurs, MIND YOU one that affects the data center to kill the UPS power also, then that data sitting in RAM is backed up by this redundant battery that direct attaches to the PCI lanes of the NVRAM slots. In fact it is plugged in right next to the NVRAM banks. Usually first 2 banks in a controller head. WAFL does nothing for protection. It stand for Write Anywhere File Layout. Combined with speed for writes, it makes better use of disk sectors and block sizes. If there is a bad section, Data ONTAP (NetApp's OS) can ignore that block and still write the file. Where tradition RAID would either fail that drive or have an inconsistency in the data as it wants to stripe to the next block in line not the next "available" block. It also extends the life of a drive for just a bad or failed sector of one platter on the drive.

Netapp deduplication is proprietary and pretty cool too. I do not work for Netapp myself btw.

that's too complicated for me to understand >.

Its called unified Storage System , because it talks, FC, ISCSI, CIFS, NFS - if you have two of them you can do the metro cluster for full redundancy

hahaha 😂

Yeah I thought this horrible disease mostly effected woman lol.

@@nateo200 Bro, it's 2023, and you're acting like misogyny is still the hot shit on the block...

​@@nateo200womans buy furnitures and real cavern guys buys old tech on marketplace it's basic stuff.

@@greg8909 💯

They are probably happy for someone to get that stuff of the building ASAP. I know i am when we rotate our hardware out of the server room.

​@@Doso777especially as they are at the end of their lease. Getting rid of it quicker might save them potential extra fees and they get something back that can be allocated for fixing the building before handing it back etc

@@Doso777 e-waste handling fees are no joke

The book high fidelity has this kind of scenario.

He offered 1k they wanted 5k. They didn't double anything

It's a weird scenario whenn Linus think it's a steak and the seller also thinks why they're doubling the price?

i met hardware brokers who buy these and sell the disks to corporate customers who cant buy older model disks anymore or just prefer the prices they said they made quite allot

@@Apple_Beshy $5000 would be a bit pricey for a steak

Tech Pickie channel coming soon

I would watch a pickers style series from Linus.

@@huntershuey2564 +1

​@@tramadol42 +2

I wish they'd do this lol

this video is just two guys looking for white Castle and on the way they are going to buy a server because, why not! it was only 5000! .....seriously, the ravages of pot in canada man .. 😂

@Radin same bro

​@Radin Ayo chill

@Radin i saw

We also see his house. Though I'm pretty sure with as much we've seen of it we can probably sneak around it better than Colton and Dennis

the way server rooms and infra should be kept, when in a controlled env dust isnt a thing with Hepa filtration.

When you buy from a data center, servers normally come dust free in my experience

@@rustler08 Our san is even older than that and there's like 0 dust on it. Saying that I can't wait to get rid of it

The proper datacenters I’ve worked in are humidity and temperature controlled with lots of filters on Hvac equipment.

⁠we even had sticky paper you would walk over before entering the halls. Impeccable

I'm sure it is related probably because a huge burden has been lifted off his shoulders so he can focus on tech and content and hopefully fit his family in there somewhere too

What a nice compliment to have goblin-energy

Didn't he say on Wan that this type of comment is funny because those videos were shot months ago

​@@pascal6871he probably knew back then the situation had been finalised but couldn't say anything until a certain point.

all he has to do is be the actor and talker. Makes life much easier compared to doing videos and all the day to day stuff.

I mean, basically, they were hoping someone was going to buy it and take it off their hands because if someone didn't, they were going to have to PAY an eWaste company to come and do that, so I guarantee their company actually made out in general, still Linus bringing swag is still pretty cool of him.

​​@@scottbitz5222 Fair but they also could have parted it out and sold it all for more, I think they just wanted rid of it and got their ROI back from the 11 years of service it performed.

@@kelmanl4 Most of that is disk shelf only. Harder to part out old storage tech with no controller like that and on such high end equipment that is no longer supported or find parts. NetApp holds their parts very close in house. hard to get them 3rd hand without buying them from company selling off old hardware such as this. On top of that, they were low end disk shelves to boot. Only 3Gb bandwidth on the SAS connectors and while 24 disks shelves, only 600GB 15k RPM drives. Great drives but very dated. DS4243 = 4 U 24 disk shelf 3Gb SAS connector

@@kelmanl4 They could have indeed, but that takes times. It's just easier to sell it for a quick buck, and let someone else make a long buck.

Not a killer deal. That's a 12+ year old controller and drives on the borderline of death.

Same homie

Now you’re at home with Klaire and Bindi making content that you want to. Living the dream, mate!

Same. I was the disk swapper guy that swapped your drives. (And troubleshooted things when things went horribly wrong, very infrequently. When I wore this hat, I was basically the sysadmin's sysadmin. Kind of cool.) My boss was literally a computer system that told me where to drive out and go to work that morning. 😆 We were cogs in the machine and kept the gears of corporate giants oiled. It was an awesome job, but kind of thankless.

I always wanted a NetApp at the company I work as Admin. But now it got really obsolete.

@@TheBuddyCassius Lmao. That’s amazing. A 64 core beast for your Plex server is the ultimate flex.

It's pretty basic acting really

Right? Like I look at this rack and go "yup, still trying to decommission one of these relics" fuckin' thing.

they are still hobbyists at heart 10year old enterprize tech is still "holy shit" stuff.

Yeah. This is pretty normal data center stuff. They need more data center tours

Think you massively overpaid. I’d of asked for it for free

NVME requires a new storage controller though, since you need PCI lanes for the disks. They could stick Flash storage in those bays be not NVME.

@@EmeraldWitch I think he means using SAN storage units based on NVMe (flashcards), rather than multi tier storage units with SSD/fast/archive class storage that requires constant balancing. In the past 10 years I've seen our company go from storage units of 3000+KG to 30 KG units that store more and and are way way faster (sub ms response times).

@@aragnut6180 Yeah you are right. Currently we use IBM Flashsystems in a Hyperswap configuration with 4 Controllers. So even if a whole datacenter goes down, not a Single Client will go down with it. It just loses 4 of 8 paths to its storage

@@eco909 the Fs9500 units? You must have a pretty good low latency line between your sites to have sync mirrors (and not too much distance). We're currently using async as the round trip is about 20 ms (oh boy does performance suffer if you accidentally set it to sync mirror)

IBM flashsystems are amazing, their flashcore modules are even better!

scrapyard wars "enterprise edition"

@@crEEz0 I WANT THIS

But you need a server room, this isn't really for home use because of the power consumption and noise.

@@crEEz0 This is so underrated. I want to see this!

​@@milkoowen6800 i mean.. Its not like there aren't people with server rooms

I was wondering why the shots looked washed out and flat. It looks like it changed between 4:13 and 4:15 though; I wonder if that's when they switched to their main camera.

The value display at the end was a play on US TV shows like American Pickers. 😂

@@Malicious2013 Hmm, sounds like a Tech Pickers Challenge. Give each pair of contestants a budget and have them roam around a state looking for tech being sold that they can resale or someone can appraise afterwards. Highest appraised value wins.

Gosh do I miss Scrapyard Wars! Those were always so fun!

Same! I miss scrapyard wars 😊

"RUN AND GUN" hahaha perfect description 😄

O'U R so very 'elite' using 'alphabet soup' krap like "IRL' = lame. Don't speak English or N E thing = 2 E Z =) No1 noze wat U meen W/IRL, jakazz.

Feat L1T.

scrapyard google LMAO

Yes please! The enterprise market is way more diverse IMO, and there's a lot of variability in the offers. It's also not just about finding/negotiating the best deal, but also getting all the obscure platforms that can be had for cheap working together.

wait.. didn't Linus mention this on wan show? He mentioned bringing back scrapyard wars because of some recent tech purchases were fun.

@@poochyenarulez as fans of his work it is our job too peer pressure him into this!

I only came to the comment section to see if someone mentioned the Fab Rats hat. Thank you, you good citizen c:.

At the end of the video Linus says the listing was actually supposed to be $500, not $5,000. So Linus offering $1,000 wasn't exactly a low ball from the seller's perspective all things considered.

​@@OGPatriot03 yeah and given he's never featured one on the channel before, I think the way he presented himself lowballing is how it feels to get that content

Besides getting a better price than meant to this is a form of networking. They might have no intentions of working together but sharing knowledge can be extremely useful.

Why not just make it quick and convenience for the seller by taking everything back to LTT before filming all that?

kudos for netapp shitting the bed - it shits the whole floor

I love the way you phrased this hahaha

Things are heavy, even with drives removed.

Something that old should not even be switched on. OnTap will be so out of date and updates will be lacking now. We've just gotten rid a of a 3240 last year and our 2520 is now out of support. NTLM bug is going to kill us!

@@mikem3271 I doubt Linus or LMG will be using OnTap or the NetApp specific features on those legacy disk shelves like the ACP ports (With ACP being in-band with SAS from OnTap 9). From what I know, both the controller and Diskshelf featured are EOL, which is why it was probably so cheap.

It's wild watching him geek out over a decade-old NetApp array

I love videos when Linus moves. Love to see all the tech installations he makes.

its so cute

Old tech is way more fun, honestly. It's like a treasure hunt, and there's always way better deals to be found compared to new stuff.

but on the last video he said gpu, so Im hoping for the return of scrapyard wars

​@@ShhTime Nah, I recall him saying on stream that he just wanted to purchase a certain GPU that he found on marketplace, and that he was so excited to get a good deal on it that he wanted to reconsider bringing scrapyard wars back. Therefore, it's clearly not coming back yet. IMO, they should hold a scrapyard wars but without Linus, or at most give him a teammate who isn't well-known at all to call sellers and pick up the goods.

​@@ShhTimeHe actually said on a recent Wan Show he was thinking of doing another season. So fingers crossed 🤞

I'm the same way, I have zero interest in servers but some reason I enjoy watching Linus talk about them.

he likely had traffic assist (I dont know the precise name for Porsche, VAG uses different one for each brand) on, which is just ACC with lane assist and side assist, but still should have paid more attention to the road.

I freaked out when he did that lmao

Bro he had either Adaptive cruise control going or that Taycan was driving itself.

@@iosdeals Correct, Porsche label it under InnoDrive

My buddy's dad used to do this and scared the crap out of me. He was one of these people who couldn't talk to you without looking at you, so if you were in the back seat he'd turn around and be talking away while you could see all the things in front that he should be paying attention to.

That's a large room heater!

I used to work for IBM and we had moved some of our DBAs highest usage DBs off of XIV Gen3 and StorWize 7000's to multiple FlashSystems (Thanks SVC!). The DBAs still complained that it was 'too slow' and 'customers were complaining'. I told them that if being on nvme flash and 32Gbit FC was too slow for the customers, the issue isn't the storage, it's the application and DB architecture. Nothing I can do about that as this is literally the fastest (at the time in 2016) shared storage that exists. They didn't like that answer.

@@WhiteG60 my team supports our custommers from storage to DB level, so its lettle easier to find problems :)

@@WhiteG60 Or the partitioning and queries. An unpartitioned (aka full table) search of a larger table for whatever criteria can mean reading hundreds of gigabytes of data.

I didn't even know storage engineers exist.. the more you know! :D

Would be Linus/Emily now! But definitely could be interesting, especially after he said on WAN Show that they would bring it back.

@@Adowrath oh whoaI was wonder about the recent absence. I had to look up what you meant as at first, I assumed there was some newly spawned solo ASMR channel stealing her away! Looking forward to her return to spotlight when she feels ready. Retro gaming wouldn't be the same without her.

@@Adowrath Why not Anthony though?

@@Thurgosh_OG Emily took a bit of a behind-the-camera role as she was going through realizing she is transgender - Anthony's the "deadname" so-to-speak.

Does it all become scrap? Does some find a second life?

@@flinx Mostly scrap. Or like $1-5 a pound wholesale depending on the type/composition of the metal/materials. We also have an eBay department that will refurb some of the better items for resale. We recently sold a nimble flash array for around $5,000 stocked full of SSDs.

That would actually be an amazing video I’d love to watch. Used to work at a school board warehouse and I’ve seen the giant e-waste trucks pull up to take literal tons of old school desktop computers, monitors, mice, and keyboards from us.

So true and you will find them with little rust and dust. However, technology of these already behind and little compatibility with desktop PC which is the reason they are being scrapped than sold. During the last crypto boom, server power supplies than sells for just $20 or less shot up to nearly $100. I learned that these PSUs are really good, powerful, small, efficient, quiet (at 50% load or less). Instead of being scrapped, they just need an external board to be compatible connected to a PC.

Yup. Recycling companies get everything. Mostly trash, but often vintage or pretty good new stuff that could be reused. But in my city there is a clear policy that everything that crosses the doorstep and is proper computer equipment like servers, laptops, phones (exceptions are like retro tvs, radios or hifis) has to be recycled.

Special award for getting "Fibre Channel" correct! 👏 🏆

One my systems still has a Fibre Channel controller in it...I just don't have anything to connect it to anymore: I used to have Sun StorEdge A5200 which, while cool to have, was ridiculous on power usage and has the same "the discs are eye wateringly expensive and you can't even get that much capacity out of it" problem as the SAN in the video. (I think the A5200 could take a maximum of 22 x 300 GiB discs. And that would probably cost you over £3,500, which is not a great price for 6.6 TiB...)

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Likewise, the performance limitations of SMB don't come from running over TCP/IP. It's from limitations in what SMB lets you do, e.g. resulting in having to do many more protocol transactions than to do the same thing in other remote filesystem protocols e.g., NFS.

@@TOT3m1c SMBv3 introduced a lot of improvements, iirc. Although the file copy performed by SHFileOperation - which is what you're effectively using if you drag and drop files in File Explorer - is crap at actually taking advantage of them. Which is why people end up using robocopy for doing batch copies over the network (largely because it can actually take advantage of the multichannel capabilities by using multiple copy threads).

They are Engenio storage which was LSI then NetApp. Rebadged by Dell as Md3xxx, IBM as DS4xxx, DS5xxx and some others. That one would probably not accept SATA drives, and even if it did you would use interposers that turn them into SAS drives.

@@jonathanbuzzard1376 Yup, used to manage some IBM DS SANs. They would only accept branded drives, and if SATA they required the use of an interposer. The Dell branded ones I know had someone reverse engineer license files to unlock features, but not sure about the other rebadged units.

@@jonathanbuzzard1376 We had a IBM DS35xx series SAN. Thing won't accept anything but certain IBM labeled drives no matter what. Some of those are NL-SAS but not SATA.

​@@jonathanbuzzard1376 not sure exactly what model, but i have a similar netapp branded jbod that does support sata

I worked in Xyratex in the UK in Engineering NPI area until they laid us all off in 2016, I stayed until 2017 to finished the clearing out of the site. Those probably made in Sacramento site if 2012 it gradually moved to Mexico in 2014/15. Had good memories of the people I worked with and still keep in touch with a few.

HAHA that's the perfect 'motivation' info. 4 N E actor trying 2 emulate him =)) He should do spoof videos where he gets all excited about a piece of toast or a new pet rock =D

True

Watch towards the end. They got high balled to the extreme

apparently the servers werent supposed to be listed at 5000, but rather 500 (watch the end of video)

​@@00zero557A Sad that a lot of people comment quickly without watching the video, even if it's short. I suppose they want to have a better chance at getting likes, but I don't get why they wouldn't at least edit them out to correct mistakes after finishing the vid.

lol they got highballed if anything. It was meant to be listed for $500, not $5000

good idea

If you're looking for a good ergo chair, there's probably a used office furniture store near you that has used Herman Miller and Steelcase chairs for dirt cheap.

Like FireFly Software just did. The issue with selling corporate assets like that you need to make sure they are really clean of data and settings that are related to your network. You know the things that are unlikely to change when you move stuff to somebody else's drives.

@@RowanHawkins True. But, with LTT, who are professionals in this field, you can at least know that they will make sure to scrub everything leftover, if you forgot any of it.

@@Default78334 Unfortunately the reverse also became true too, I was in the market for a new ergo chair to replace my aging "gaming" chair that was giving me back problems, and suddenly everything was crazy expensive because everyone was buying new chairs for their work-at-home offices. Granted, the price hikes were for new stuff, just might still be a bit rough finding used ones that haven't been grabbed up by others with the same idea.

I had one, empty they're pretty cheap, I got one full of 4TB drives before Chia started to be a thing for like $1200.

If you are willing to go for a 2U one they are pretty easy to come by and cheap. I use one as the disk shelf for my NAS. Finding the SATA version took a little effort as SAS drives are much more expensive that SATA but they are out there if you look.

First thing you learn: Put in the hard drives and PSUs after you are doing racking them.

The inaccuracies in the video were a little hard to watch but, overall, he did a decent job of trying to target an audience of home lab geeks that have no knowledge of Enterprise class storage systems. I enjoyed it.

WAFL for the win - very good software RAID, volume management and filesystem, so good that Netapp sued Sun for ZFS when it came out. Confidential settlement, apparently one of the myriad of reasons why it would be so difficult to get ZFS GPL licensed.

@@KristopherLinville There were hardly any glaring inaccuracies overall. It's easy to make that comment after the fact but they're trying to explain the operation of that rack setup after seeing it for like 5 minutes, and they're trying to rush themselves in someone else's office.

if you have a licence 😞

I think using the term HBA for the controller card would have been more accurate but to the majority of the people who watch this channel, they probably wouldn't know the difference.

The similarity between NAS and SAN in terms of lettering is probably best avoided for educational purposes. Better to compare SAN with LAN/WAN/etc. A local area network, a wide area network and a storage area network. The acronyms are more related, as are the concepts.

@@dschwartz783 I agree. A SAN is definitely more synonymous with LAN or WAN than a NAS.

eh. I can think of NAS systems that can be distributed over multiple sites and machines "transparently" to the user. gluster, for example. CEPH probably can too, but I've never read any of it's docs. It's been a while, but I think with effort you can do it with Isilon. NFSv4, using pNFS extensions, can have your metadata separated from file data across multiple servers. Not necessarily supported by all NFS servers though. Bell Lab's Plan9 9P protocol was able to do distributed filesystems back in the mid 80s. 9P is basically a distributed object store, with very little tying it to disk, iirc. The Andrew File System, as part of the Andrew Project, started in 1982. (AFS heavily influenced 9P, then later CIFS and NFS, as I understand it) The truth is, a lot of computing technology is little more than abstraction and virtualisation of simpler predecessors. Bare metal, partitioning, multi-tasking, containers, and VMs are all the same thing, with added manageability and complexity. Same thing with storage.

@@RichardBetel The real problem with comparing a NAS to a SAN, is the fact that the terms are describing unlike things. A NAS is a type of device, a device which can be used for any number of other things. What you call a NAS today, may be called a media server tomorrow (or perhaps something else), depending on its primary purpose. A SAN on the other hand, is a form of network. While it's often used to describe devices devoted to being a part of said network, it doesn't technically describe the device per se. Indeed, any device could be a part of a SAN, perhaps even a NAS.

@@RichardBetel I agree. There are NAS technologies that can be distributed but there's a bit of a difference between distributing a NAS solution and building a storage solution on top of a distributed block level network. The issue is that most of the distributable technologies used in a NAS can be considered parts of layers 5 - 7 (7 being SMB, NFS, etc). SAN lives much lower, between layers 1 - 4. A good example of how that might translate to a 'real-world' example is a SAN RAID configuration. Imagine you have 4 disks. Each disk is located in a different geographic location and a file server in another location. With SAN, you can configure a RAID 0 volume using all 4 of those disks as members of the RAID. Then you can present that RAID volume as a "physical" device to the file server and then share it using whatever layer 7 protocols you want. This is all possible because a SAN is capable of using networks to connect low level physical devices to a controller that converts them into a volume for use by a filesystem. It's like connecting a bunch of SATA drives to a computer but instead of using SATA cables you use the LAN in your house because each drive is located in a different room and the computer that they are connected to is in the living room. This is a stark difference to a distributed NAS. In the case of a NAS, you would have to create NAS clusters (comprised of drives and NAS software) in each geographic location and use software to virtually combine those clusters into 1 logical unit (or however many units you want). You don't have access to the lower level devices and they can't be presented to the filesystem as a lower level device. The use cases of each depends on the needs of the implementation, of course.

They really should do a new season of scrapyard wars after Linus steps down as the CEO and has more time for these kinds of things again.

Linus has basically said he thinks scrapyard wars is making a return after he had to shop online for graphics cards for some project.

Expect people not to reply back to you when you're trying to buy and keep an eye out for scams. If it seems to good to be true, it probably is.

Nooo, never man, i just got scammed

marketplace is great. i put a table up i found on the side of the road for 80 bucks and someone bought it same day. i had like 5 people want it lol

It's chaos with sometimes gold mine deals.

facebook marketplace is the single useful feature on that site

My favorite thing about this video is that they filmed it on an iPhone =D They should get an iPhone X (10) & set it to 720p with the 'HDR' thing & use that 4 all of their videos on all of their channels = will speed up their 'workflow', save them milions in equipment they don't need & make their whole production way more portable. The absurd #FailTrain of some random short fat ugly 'migrant' clown wearing a gigantic trash pile of super-over-priced krap, & STILL shaking the frames around like a drunken fly reveal the irrationality of Linus himself & his 'spec-chasing fetish' =)) "Woo we're shooting our RU-vid content in 12K now (or whatever, literally), as if N E 1 will care if they went 720p on it all = LOL 2 the human eye there is no point going past about 1100 pixels wide, as more than that looks LESS realistic (if it's not noisy blocky jaggy fake res) as 'overly sharpened synthetic' vibe rather than 'smooth' (but not blurry) feel, & if U R so 'up close' that U notice 'pixelation' most of the thing is out of your center of vision so don't notice it much N E way so should just bak tha fuk up. I've done testing on this & 1100 wide looks no worse than 4K, & U can test this by playing back 4K videos downloaded from JooToob resampled to 1100 pixels wide in your player = not 'blurry' or 'unrealistic' by comparison at all. Everything over 720p is just meaningless bull$hit, unless it is a case where U R trying 2 get around 'fake resolution nonsense' like joo toob where the 1080p only has about the real res of a dual layer (7GB or so) DVD, & the 4K is about the same as 1080p Blu-ray. All this 'video stuff' is very relevant because the whole reason this & other channels by this guy have such 'fancy equipment' is 2 try & jack their numbers, all of which R ignored by JooToob when they crush the krap out of their videos = pointless =)) What would make sense (maybe) is upsample the 720p to 4K when uploading, then delete it from local storage, as it would just B a way 2 try & get them 2 down-sample better 2 720p. iNotice jootoob videos where 4K versions R available look better than ones where the max available is 1080p, but no matter what the res on this site, it's always a couple steps lower in quality than it says it is =)) Another thing that helps is make sure there is plenty of light so not a lot of 'shadow gradients', as those tend 2 get a lot of 'banding', & also 2 avoid moving the camera around a lot, especially in complex environments like a forest scene full of branches of many complex patterns = takes more 'codec room' 2 store, so less left 4 the person doing the 'action', etc. Their idiotic 'tech quickie' stuff with a blank background is super lame though = should put nice scenery behind, like still or gently slow scenes like a tropical beach or whatever =) Also, have people wear real clothes instead of sweats & T-Shirts = fux sake. & make them do proper grooming, not greasy hair & stubble LOL

Yeah!

I really wonder what licenses are on this. He may have stumbled upon something far more powerful than he thinks.

@@krennic4438 the licensing will cost as much as the array, especially if the hardware is near end of life