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What did Varys hear in the flames? 

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@InDeepGeek
@InDeepGeek 4 месяца назад
This is a revised and updated version of a video first uploaded in July 2018
@diox8tony
@diox8tony 4 месяца назад
Where are the Images of the sorcerer(6:04) and Young Varys(4:31) sourced From? Are they the artists in the description? I ask because they look like official video captures, and If they are, I've missed a show.
@mrsnulch
@mrsnulch 4 месяца назад
What mic do you use Robert?! I can't get over the sound quality of your voice!
@quintonab
@quintonab 4 месяца назад
shame it couldn't be re-rendered in 1080 or better
@helixxharpell
@helixxharpell 4 месяца назад
​@diox8tony A.I. artwork no doubt.
@CharmagnCody-mw6zr
@CharmagnCody-mw6zr 4 месяца назад
​@@mrsnulchhe just has an incredible voice for speaking, and especially storytelling... He enunciates well and is also articulate.. this is, of course, my personal opinion.. but that doesn't make it any less true!
@Fire_Summoner
@Fire_Summoner 4 месяца назад
He heard the actual Winds of Winter release date.
@privatename5788
@privatename5788 4 месяца назад
Alternate universe, then?
@pepe_nacho_5108
@pepe_nacho_5108 4 месяца назад
😂😂😂
@trychydts
@trychydts 4 месяца назад
:D :D
@blakew.5736
@blakew.5736 4 месяца назад
I’m so god damn mad at this point all I can do is give u a like.
@Basileus1453
@Basileus1453 4 месяца назад
So all he heard was static?
@lazloholt262
@lazloholt262 4 месяца назад
Bloodraven is the answer to every mystery. Who was the sorcerer speaking to? Bloodraven. Who is Jaquen Hagar? Bloodraven. Why do I keep eating cheese even though it doesn't always agree with me? Bloodraven
@mbryson2899
@mbryson2899 4 месяца назад
Who sent the catspaw assassin? Bloodraven... (Actually, I wouldn't put it past him.)
@PermanentExile
@PermanentExile 4 месяца назад
Yes. But who sent Bloodraven? Ans: I’m not saying it was aliens…
@gabrielmiller4176
@gabrielmiller4176 4 месяца назад
@@PermanentExile is shierra sea star an alien
@paulsarnik8506
@paulsarnik8506 4 месяца назад
Still got 998 answered to match is remaining eyes🤷🏼‍♂️🤓😎✌🏼
@paulsarnik8506
@paulsarnik8506 4 месяца назад
​@@PermanentExileI dunno 🤷🏼‍♂️ Maybe it was Haviland Tuff or the ones who created the Wild Card Virus 🦠? 🤓😎✌🏼
@pierretourigny9630
@pierretourigny9630 4 месяца назад
The voice: « Your call is important to us, please hold for the next available…. »
@tooslow4065
@tooslow4065 4 месяца назад
the voice wanted to talk to him about his car warranty?
@DarkVeghetta
@DarkVeghetta 4 месяца назад
@@tooslow4065 That was the exact joke I wanted to make, but it seems you got here before me, so here's a like instead.
@for-lc6rj
@for-lc6rj 4 месяца назад
press 1 for valyrian
@michaelwalters4249
@michaelwalters4249 4 месяца назад
The voice told him about how they botched the ending of Season 8 "And since that day I have hated magic"
@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE
@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE 4 месяца назад
😭😭😭😭😭😭
@la_scrittice_vita
@la_scrittice_vita 4 месяца назад
"And since that day I have hated screenwriters."
@GoldilocksDoesThat
@GoldilocksDoesThat 4 месяца назад
😂😂😂
@mrledhead68
@mrledhead68 4 месяца назад
🤣
@ChiriKain
@ChiriKain 4 месяца назад
i think you mean the last 4 seasons
@nastropc
@nastropc 4 месяца назад
9:17 “…simply some kind of long distance communication” In Braavos roaming charges cost an arm and a leg, but in Myr…
@eric2500
@eric2500 3 месяца назад
OUCH!!!
@CheeseCrumbs00
@CheeseCrumbs00 4 месяца назад
The Unsullied mention to Dany that their God, 'The Mother of Hosts' speaks only to them ever since their manhood was sacrified to the fire...
@Walk_on_Part_In_a_War
@Walk_on_Part_In_a_War 4 месяца назад
Great point. I often wonder if Varys is actually an unsullied soldier selected to work to manipulate the kingdoms for someone's benefit.
@myujmes
@myujmes 4 месяца назад
I completely forgot about this
@MatthewBester
@MatthewBester 4 месяца назад
Brilliant observation.
@WarWulf778
@WarWulf778 4 месяца назад
@Walk_on_Part_In_a_War Unsullied do get chubby if not bought in large numbers...
@DarkVeghetta
@DarkVeghetta 4 месяца назад
Huuuuh. Now there's something to consider.
@theloverlyladylo9158
@theloverlyladylo9158 4 месяца назад
Man, long-distance prices in the day were really out of hand.
@bassistguy13
@bassistguy13 4 месяца назад
They had you by the balls
@JoeGamer81
@JoeGamer81 4 месяца назад
Interestingly, GRRM implied in an interview a few years ago that the flames may not have actually spoken. Time and memory have colored things, so spake Martin. However, I don’t take this to mean that Varys did not hear a voice. Only that trauma and time have made him misremember where it came from. Rather than the flames, I think George is hinting that there was someone else in the room… If we don’t know who the wizard is, then we certainly can’t guess at who this potential other person is. But the presence of a second, particularly one responding to the ritual, may change the context of the event. Rather than it not mattering who Varys is, maybe it matter a great deal, and he was castrated to ensure the end of his line. Maybe he is a Blackfyre after all?
@divyanshu.26
@divyanshu.26 4 месяца назад
Interesting observation. Maybe he was after all focussed on seeing his body part burn and didn't properly register who spoke, after all. But yeah too little to build on. It could've been anyone.
@wizardvrse7338
@wizardvrse7338 4 месяца назад
Keep in mind that just because it didn’t come from the fire, doesn’t mean it wasn’t “magical” per se. If the sacrifice was made to summon an entity, that could be what was speaking and answer who the “other” person in the room was.
@JoeGamer81
@JoeGamer81 4 месяца назад
@@wizardvrse7338 oh I’m sure it was magical. My only idea here is that maybe he was in such a state that he didn’t realize someone had walked into the room, or he has simply forgotten this third-party.
@miguelfonseca1104
@miguelfonseca1104 3 месяца назад
you beat me to it
@PermanentExile
@PermanentExile 4 месяца назад
I wish the video had mentioned… In the show, the Red Priestess asks Varys if he wants to know who the voice was and what it said. D&D then drop it like a hot plate. Was this a “show only” thing, or were D&D glossing over something GRRM told them?
@Discreetspd
@Discreetspd 3 месяца назад
Yes! I was thinking this as I was watching the video. Such a mystery! Love it!
@clobberelladoesntreadcomme9920
@clobberelladoesntreadcomme9920 Месяц назад
i think the point of that was simply to show how uncanny the red priests are, Melissandre also knows about "you know nothing John Snow" even though she never met Ygritte, John didn't tell her and John prob never told anyone else.
@GregMcNeish
@GregMcNeish 4 месяца назад
"What did Varys hear in the flames, and why was it Bloodraven?"
@kaylat060889
@kaylat060889 4 месяца назад
You’re what David Attenborough is to nature documentaries to the world of A song of Ice and Fire . Loving these updated videos.
@nathan-sc6wv
@nathan-sc6wv 4 месяца назад
"We are trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty."
@09csr
@09csr 2 месяца назад
"Try RU-vid Premium for free for one whole month!"
@jovetj
@jovetj Месяц назад
"There is a critical recall on your car's ___________ and it needs serviced immediately or you will die."
@jordanvickaryous-remenda876
@jordanvickaryous-remenda876 4 месяца назад
I can just hear Rumpelstiltskin "All magic comes at a price, dearie!"
@mjean6762
@mjean6762 4 месяца назад
Robert Carlyle did an amazing job with that part! He really made the character come to life. And I loved the costumes he wore! 😍 An all-around great character, one of my all time favorites. ❤
@DarkVeghetta
@DarkVeghetta 4 месяца назад
@@mjean6762 He was, by far, my favorite character and actor in that entire show.
@jessie_dreams_
@jessie_dreams_ 4 месяца назад
Yessssss we love a Rumple moment
@jamesm1494
@jamesm1494 4 месяца назад
"If all events and people and character's past were related". I think the writers of Star Wars should take note of this.
@Sea_Barb
@Sea_Barb 4 месяца назад
Definitely. New Star Wars feels so small
@PermanentExile
@PermanentExile 4 месяца назад
C3PO is the Forrest Gump of Star Wars.
@isomeme
@isomeme 4 месяца назад
I immediately thought of Star Wars as well. It feels like that universe has about 5 planets and a few dozen people, mostly related to each other.
@johnkeck
@johnkeck 4 месяца назад
BINGO
@ishubetterthanyou1582
@ishubetterthanyou1582 4 месяца назад
In Star War's defence, that story in NOT about the whole galaxy, but the struggle between Light and Dark side of force, plus, most of Star Wars is set in the Skywalker Saga, hence why everything is so connected. And against it, there's Lando appearing in fucking Star Wars Rebels and ehhhhh
@hugolouessard3914
@hugolouessard3914 4 месяца назад
This is tempting to think that he's secretly a distant Targaryen or Blackfyre bastard and was bought because of his hair, making him shave it afterwards, and that blue flames represent the great other, and it's possible I guess, but as you said nor everything will (nor should) be connected to one another. But some things will be. So I guess wait n see on that. Well, that is if we ever have the final books
@AndrewK23777
@AndrewK23777 4 месяца назад
In some cases i actually prefer the ambiguity , as it adds to the mystery & intrigue imo. Also makes the universe and arcana feel that much bigger and aspects ineffable. When you have all the answers and a total grasp on all the questions and mysteries to me it makes the universe feel much smaller and tangible. There are certain reveals of course we want and need but others almost best left to speculation , as it drives imagination and future debate. Certain reveals can actually be underwhelming compared to theories and speculation. To me has to be the right balance of necessary reveals along with mysteries / unexplained and imo GRRM strikes that balance very well. The mysteries and ambiguous elements add to the vastness and intrigue. Per Varys' sorcerer incident , as the vid says it seems to be mostly how it affected and drove Varys from that moment forward more than anything else. As is the case with many other in-universe magical and / or prophetically related events / concepts. Lets say even Varys potentially not fully understanding what happened to him (let alone the reader) could add to the impact even more. And why the sorcerer selected V many of us think he is likely of Valyrian blood , quite likely a Blackfyre even , so that magical and also royal blood could be the reason he was coveted. As the Blackfyres are essentially Targs / with Targ blood , just an illegitimate line originated via two very legitimate & royal Targs.
@divyanshu.26
@divyanshu.26 4 месяца назад
I like that line of thinking. Not knowing may just be part of the fun, as a magician would tell you perhaps. If it's got something to do with the whites I'd like to know, otherwise I am okay not knowing. I just keep wanting to see more of the Others
@AndrewK23777
@AndrewK23777 4 месяца назад
@@divyanshu.26 in this case i'd personally rather keep it mysterious. To me just does not seem directly tied into the biggest magical goings on most influential to the main plot . Its a vast universe with all sorts of different magic , so would be interesting if this is beyond the magic we've already encountered in the narrative. Just shows the vastness and scale of mystery at play in this universe.
@AndrewK23777
@AndrewK23777 4 месяца назад
@@divyanshu.26 i even think about the Aegon I prophecy reveal , its nice to know of course. But does that reveal really making the Targs more interesting , dynamic or complex ? It actually somewhat turns them into white-knights and justifies the Conquest. I personally enjoyed the speculation in terms of what drove Aegon , was the Conquest fully justified or not ? etc. Overall GRRM tends to strike the balance of reveals and mysteries quite well. So i'd rather he hold back in certain cases than over-reveal. Even if any of the Lannister siblings are Targs or not (Jaime , Cersei and Tyrion) ; to me its more fun to look for clues in either direction (which of course GRRM gives clues to multiple possibilities) and speculate about it. Rather than simply given a direct answer on that. Ntm not sure there is a definitive in-universe vehicle for clarity regarding a concept like that anyway.
@somethingsomething8511
@somethingsomething8511 4 месяца назад
It said "Shave your head if you're going bald, it looks better"
@Fangs1978
@Fangs1978 4 месяца назад
The whole thing had a Lovecraftian vibe as far as I can tell. So I'm thinking either 'The Great Other', 'The Drowned God' or some other eldritch horror. I think the point of the scene is to plant the seed that these horrors are real is this universe and one could be serving them unwittingly while believing to server a benevolent power as Stanis seems to be.
@inthefade
@inthefade 4 месяца назад
R'hlor isn't something I would call "benevolent" considering all the burning of people.
@Fangs1978
@Fangs1978 4 месяца назад
@@inthefade Yes, but despite that Melesandre still believes that he is, is the point.
@toggerz7487
@toggerz7487 4 месяца назад
I was thinking Euron Greyjoy. Don't know if the age and timing works out, how old actually is Varys?
@Fangs1978
@Fangs1978 4 месяца назад
@@toggerz7487 You think Euron was the voice or the sorcerer?
@mendo35
@mendo35 4 месяца назад
Its been a long time since I read the books and watched the show but didn't Varys have the sorcerer locked up in a box when he told Tyrion this, so Varys must have got the info from the sorcerer? So he must reveal this in the books when or if they ever get released.
@abrahamroloff8671
@abrahamroloff8671 4 месяца назад
The show and the books may, and probably will, end up very different from each other. Plus, even in the show I don't think it's ever outright said the dude in the box is THE sorcerer. Big V may just be taking out some other practitioner, and not THE guy.
@mendo35
@mendo35 4 месяца назад
@@abrahamroloff8671 I hope the book ends differently, the show did not end well😃. I had forgotten about the sorcerer a long time ago but now I need to know what happened.😁
@malalford
@malalford 3 месяца назад
Bran has been "get out"ed by the 3er.
@JenksAnro
@JenksAnro 4 месяца назад
Important thing to note, regarding Varys being a Blackfyre, I recently learned that eunuchs don't go bald - so George is probably trying to subtly draw our attention to the fact that Varys' head is something he purposely shaves. Has he something to hide? If we get to a situation where Varys is unable to shave his head, (if he is imprisoned for example) might we see something he doesn't want us to?
@iruga7379
@iruga7379 4 месяца назад
Hair in the books were the first thing people in power woud notice if they want to figure your heritage...then your eyes, body shape and so on...but Hair is the first on the check list. That would explain why Varys shave his head, always is wearing long clothes and almost never look powerful people directly in the eyes alegating that do not want to disrespect looking directly. Varys know how the game for power works...and do not intend to draw too much attention.
@stuartingram8492
@stuartingram8492 4 месяца назад
Varys uses a lot of disguises. Wouldn't being bald create the largest change when wearing a wig and allow for ease of use? I don't think he's as fat as we are lead to believe too. We've probably seen him in a lot more scenes than we realize.
@williamhermann6635
@williamhermann6635 3 месяца назад
​@@stuartingram8492 Varys also uses glamours. I wouldnt be surprised if what were told is his normal appearance is actually a disguise.
@junkiescumbag6550
@junkiescumbag6550 2 месяца назад
That's not actually true of all types of baldness Varys looks like his got Alopecia Universes, male pattern baldness, the type of baldness that you won't get without growth hormone, testosterone from your balls, it's usually just up top not weird like alopecia, I copped it bad once, my hair has grown back now but once my hair fell out in weird places, I eventually shaved my head just to make it less obvious, it's looks strange, It has something to do with the immune system apparently, although they really don't know what causes it, good eye though, I doubt they even thought about the baldness, I can't recall how Varys looks in the books, maybe the series producers liked the way his bald head looked, maybe the actors got alopecia in real life, does he have eyebrows? I heard that the eunuchs are more often than not, overweight, I guess they would use food as a coping method, a sex drive is a pretty important aspect in a males life, Growth hormone is essential for a males muscles development, what was he thinking when he came up with the eunuchs warriors, man with higher testosterone tend to be aggressively suited to become the type of cannon fodder suited to war LOL, surely there's a way to stop them raping everything and being discussing sick fucks, Just because power corrupt testosterone fueled guys are often up for some rape after a good blood bath, doesn't mean you have to employ nothing but eunuchs, I know I'd never rape any women, I never had that overbearing mother figure nor a father figure that I was in competition with for my mothers affection, I guess that's why I'm not into porn where women get choked and annul penertration, It's pretty disgusting to me, but I must be rare in this world because porn is almost completely unbearable, I'm not sure why but I can guess that racist white men are turned on by woman that are shamed and violated by African men / black guys, often more than one at a time, personally if I am imagining that I'm there doing it with the woman I find it breaks the fantasy as my own dick isn't as tanned, and the unavoidable issue with porn is the fact that those meathead guys have no consideration or desire for the female form, or sex drive, I think they are into power so much that they need to humiliate dominate the woman to reach sexual gratification, so what do I see in porn? Guys jerking themselves off! What's the fucking point watching that, these guys can't blow, so many of them pretend to blow and it defeats the purpose of watching it, I may as well use my imagination and forget porn. Jesus how did I end up talking about this?
@Slechy_Lesh
@Slechy_Lesh 4 месяца назад
His voice changes because he's traumatised. On some level he's gone back there - when he was that terrified boy
@Gongall
@Gongall 4 месяца назад
Or maybe thats what he wants Tyrion to think? Either way, I do think Varys would be conscious of his tone of voice
@friedkeenan
@friedkeenan 2 месяца назад
My read is that his voice changes because he's being sincere and genuine, and his voice is different in every other time because he's constantly playing a part
@seihai-kun6726
@seihai-kun6726 4 месяца назад
Bloodraven speaking via great grand nephew's smoldering junk
@carlrood4457
@carlrood4457 4 месяца назад
Strangely, blue flames are actually hotter than red/orange/yellow flames.
@paulmelvin8427
@paulmelvin8427 4 месяца назад
If u burn a fridge u get green flames.
@karlsweeney2328
@karlsweeney2328 4 месяца назад
That's not strange. It's common knowledge
@leichtmeister
@leichtmeister 4 месяца назад
That massively depends on the fuel. What you maybe mean is "the blue part of a flame is hotter than the red part". Just colouring a flame blue by adding something that burns blue doesn't do a lot to the flames temperature.
@DexSungeon
@DexSungeon 4 месяца назад
​@@leichtmeister Thank you! For context everyone, hand sanitizer burns blue, and you can hold it in your hand as it burns.
@CC21200
@CC21200 2 месяца назад
Ackshually, this is not true. This would be true of the color of flames is purely determined by blackbody radiation, but in reality, the color can also be due to photon emission based on the energy levels between the electron shells.
@gezak9733
@gezak9733 4 месяца назад
"Dany kinda forgot about the iron fleet but they certainly haven't forgotten about her"
@WafaaH
@WafaaH 4 месяца назад
“What did Varys hear in the flames? We don’t know “ Glad I watched the video
@HBon111
@HBon111 4 месяца назад
And I'm glad I read your comment. xD
@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE
@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE 4 месяца назад
lmao
@Cecil_Harvey
@Cecil_Harvey 4 месяца назад
Varys “did not understand”. But he remembered the words. And eventually of course he would have translated them. So now he does understand what was said, and it is important for Varys’ character and development.
@andrewscoppetta4944
@andrewscoppetta4944 4 месяца назад
You’re right, that’s totally a Varys thing to say. A truth that tells a lie.
@emrek99205
@emrek99205 Месяц назад
Does seem likely that even if he didn't understand the words at the time he would eventually, as Master of Information, have them translated. This could be piecemeal word for word, or possibly tell someone in full, have them translate it, then kill them outright to keep the secret safe. Either way, no one else but Varys would know. And at least in the books Varys supposedly never meets up again with this sorcerer so perhaps it was he who translated it. It is so difficult to get dead people to answer the phone sometimes.
@TheFifthIdiot
@TheFifthIdiot 3 месяца назад
My interpretation of "A song of ice and fire" before ever reading the books was, that the fire may melt the ice, but it will turn to water and out out the flames. What's the middle ground between ice and fire? Water. The Ironborn, and their Drowned God.
@andreasplosky8516
@andreasplosky8516 3 месяца назад
"What did Varys hear in the flames?" It was a whisper: "The... final two books... will never... get finished".
@SoonGone
@SoonGone 4 месяца назад
I wouldn't be surprised if GRRM himself doesn't even know.
@WarrenEBB
@WarrenEBB 4 месяца назад
I wonder if Pyat Pree might be the sorcerer, or somehow related. After dany burns down the house of the undying, Pyat is found gibbering in some unknown tongue. (...and jumping from foot to foot. ... maybe a little like Patchface? hrm) tin foil. but maybe Pyat was a lesser solo sorcerer in traveling through Lys to find kings blood, and his mutilation of Varys connected him with his future serving the house of the undying in Qarth. Maybe he meant to do similar things with dany (using kings blood for magic), but was thwarted.
@WarrenEBB
@WarrenEBB 4 месяца назад
plus, he pulls a knife when he comes at Dany. - what kind of knife? maybe it was hooked?
@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE
@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE 4 месяца назад
omfg dude! this is solid! i like it
@jbailey5061
@jbailey5061 4 месяца назад
I think royal blood being special is just a misunderstanding of ancient blood magic. Likely relating to Valyrians. E.g. everyone with "Royal blood" that we've seen had their blood used can trace their lineage back to old Valyria in some sense. The Children of the Forrest do something similar but with the blood of the first men. It's where my mind goes when I'm trying to explain the relevance of the dragons bringing magic back. Since Fire and Blood/World of Ice and Fire we've been speculating that there's some genetic experiment angle to old Valyria. But where would the comet fit into all of this? Is it even real? An illusion by Quaith? Tyrek Lannister? That would be an interesting video.
@shannonslatter6321
@shannonslatter6321 4 месяца назад
...Maybe the "sorcerer" was a younger Marwyn the Mage using knowledge acquired in Ashai (on his way back, perhaps). Marwyn joins Dany. Varys is with (F)Aegon. At a tense and crucial moment of negotiations between the two camps, Varys spots and recognizes him and loses it. In a rage he loses control and undermines everything he's worked for while Tyrion looks on laughing. Doubtful maybe, but it would be fun.
@lperezherrera1608
@lperezherrera1608 4 месяца назад
I think that if it's anyone we know about already, it's 100% Marwyn. I'd still say it's more likely not anyone specially important.
@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE
@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE 4 месяца назад
i think the wizard was talking to Marwyn in Assai 🤷🏿‍♀🤷🏿‍♀
@Cletus_the_Elder
@Cletus_the_Elder 4 месяца назад
This channel endures past the facile fandom, to remind us of the genius of Martin's world building.
@esmepryde6490
@esmepryde6490 4 месяца назад
Oh, yes, gotta love Martin's colonialist style of world building. lol
@Cletus_the_Elder
@Cletus_the_Elder 4 месяца назад
@@esmepryde6490 I hear Wakanda will make an appearance in the next installment. Hug that plush toy tight, lady, and wish upon a star.
@TheTidesong
@TheTidesong 4 месяца назад
@@esmepryde6490 And yet you're here on a video about his stories? lmao
@Cletus_the_Elder
@Cletus_the_Elder 4 месяца назад
@@TheTidesong And yet YOU are here on a video about his stories? Are you talking to yourself? And then laughing at how you imagined you slam-dunked on your comment? Get your head right, silly.
@esmepryde6490
@esmepryde6490 4 месяца назад
@@Cletus_the_Elder why not? hes "borrowed' from everywhere else
@Leader1934
@Leader1934 4 месяца назад
Why even do a video just to say "we don't know and that's ok" what a waste of time, even bad theories are better than just shrugging and giving up because you cannot figure it out.
@groovemedium
@groovemedium 4 месяца назад
Earlier today I was in the grocery store and I pulled a vine ripened tomato off of its vine. I thought "root and stem..." and my mind drifted to... "what did Varys hear?" I came home to this video. Spooky.
@syndrome5372
@syndrome5372 3 месяца назад
Do you often think about mutilated genetalia when you're out shopping?
@groovemedium
@groovemedium 3 месяца назад
@@syndrome5372 Doesn't everyone?
@Elredion
@Elredion 19 дней назад
"the pillar and the stones" GRRM loves his phallic idioms
@Raminagrobisfr
@Raminagrobisfr 3 месяца назад
Her : i'm sure he is thinking about another woman. Me : What did Varys hear in the flames?
@orblocky375
@orblocky375 4 месяца назад
Cant believe no one ever thinks it could be something to do with the great other/ white walkers. Blue flames
@awesomehpt8938
@awesomehpt8938 4 месяца назад
Maybe it was firelord Ozai?
@migarsormrapophis2755
@migarsormrapophis2755 4 месяца назад
Azula, surely
@Mrsdevsgirl
@Mrsdevsgirl 3 месяца назад
Lol, I luv this.
@grimbaz774
@grimbaz774 4 месяца назад
Yeah wtf what was all that about?.:)
@jameltaylor4241
@jameltaylor4241 4 месяца назад
I figured the change in his voice signified that he was using his real voice.
@PeterFendrich
@PeterFendrich 3 месяца назад
That was always my first understanding... That we were seeing/hearing him be completely candid and vulnerable for the first, perhaps only, time.
@somanken
@somanken 4 месяца назад
my theory is that the sorcerer actually was doing something that to us would have seemed very minor, the idea that the magic that turned varys into who he was was actually a rather mundane and minor affair.
@Richard_Nickerson
@Richard_Nickerson 4 месяца назад
Yeah, dude was getting lottery numbers
@BalooSJ
@BalooSJ 4 месяца назад
"But to me, it was Tuesday."
@fernandoaburto7040
@fernandoaburto7040 2 месяца назад
That's entirely possible, and it would be an even bigger reason for Varys to hate magic
@dereksherwood3794
@dereksherwood3794 4 месяца назад
Voice in the flames: We've been trying to reach you about your chariot's extended warranty!
@thomasb.anderson8113
@thomasb.anderson8113 4 месяца назад
corn! corn!
@444gothicgirl
@444gothicgirl 4 месяца назад
Vary's manhood = glass candle
@MegaMacReal
@MegaMacReal 4 месяца назад
= Hot Pie = bowls of brown
@eric2500
@eric2500 3 месяца назад
Oh Ho THAT IS A SHINY shiny bit of tinfoil! Nice!!
@emrek99205
@emrek99205 Месяц назад
Gets further in that it supposedly takes blood, king's blood, to activate a glass candle. Sounds like an erection to me. Another weird thing is that maesters are left with a glass candle overnight with a task of getting it to ignite by morning. All maesters are male and as such would probably not think of the candle in a phallic manner or be able to do anything with it. However there is one at the citadel who might be able to: Alleras/Sarella, aka the Sphinx. She is not only a female passed puberty, but also a descendant of Dorne nobility. Conceivably if given a dark room alone with a phallic object she might use it in this way. She's not had touch of anyone in a while at the citadel, is in the right age bracket for hormones to be racing, and if the moon is right this may all fit together like a hand in glove, or at least something in something else. You know. This is scenario is something GRRM seems to have hinted at many times, but other than being a weird bit of "oh that's what all that meant" I'm not sure what he will do with it beyond that. Maybe it will come down to Sam needing to use a candle to contact someone and failing repeatedly. She then asks him what he knows about how it is to be activated, gets an inspiration and ushers him out of the room. 'The Sphinx is the riddle, not the riddler'. In this case, the Sphinx would be the solution, not the question.
@Knight860
@Knight860 4 месяца назад
GRRM did say in an interview not to take Varys's story about hearing a voice too literally as it happened a long time ago and Varys might be misremembering things. As too why Varys was castrated, they say there is power in kings’ blood and according to Crusader Chris, Varys might be one of the few remaining Blackfyre's if Illyrio Mopatis's wife Serra was Varys's sister or related somehow. Varys could have been castrated by someone (possibly a certain rogue maester with his own agenda) determined to end the threat posed by the Blackfyre's once and for all. Though why Varys's wasn't just killed outright if he was such a threat remains a mystery.
@Richard_Nickerson
@Richard_Nickerson 4 месяца назад
Is English your first language?
@Knight860
@Knight860 4 месяца назад
@@Richard_Nickerson Sorry about my typos, I fixed them.
@Andrew-wv9ys
@Andrew-wv9ys 4 месяца назад
This. GRRM is way more concerned with how we told stories of magic in our own history than actual magic in the traditional fantasy sense.
@mjean6762
@mjean6762 4 месяца назад
​@@Richard_NickersonThat was quite rude.
@mjean6762
@mjean6762 4 месяца назад
​@@Knight860I don't think an apology was necessary. That was a rude and inappropriate question.
@arttheclown1163
@arttheclown1163 Месяц назад
"Ba da pa pa pa .. I'm lovin' it" -The voice in the flames
@thelasonj
@thelasonj 4 месяца назад
❤ Varys
@braxxian
@braxxian 4 месяца назад
What did Varys hear?, perhaps nothing. How do we even know Varys is a eunuch? Perhaps it’s all just made up.
@Raye938
@Raye938 4 месяца назад
What struck me as interesting is the timing on this. I wonder if the ritual is what woke the night king back up and stared the process of the long night.
@guillaumeesce8113
@guillaumeesce8113 4 месяца назад
Granted we never know for sure what George is planning, but I don't understand how this would make sense ? Like why would a sacrifice with fire magic "activate" some ice magic ?
@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE
@SCHRODINGERS_WHORE 4 месяца назад
ok now you're freaking me out. what if Varys is a survived "ice baby"????🤔🤔🤔🤔
@Raye938
@Raye938 4 месяца назад
@@guillaumeesce8113 For perhaps the same reason as say dragon glass would kill white walkers?
@OfficialChrissums
@OfficialChrissums 4 месяца назад
@@Raye938 nah that seems like such a minor and tertiary detail to be the literal inciting action of the entire story. Its never even brought up again at any point.
@Raye938
@Raye938 4 месяца назад
@@OfficialChrissums So far.
@JahanMisra
@JahanMisra 4 месяца назад
What I don’t get is that if Varys hates magic so much, why would he be trying to put a someone with valyrian blood (assuming Young Griff is a targaryen/blackfyre) on the throne? valyrians seem intrinsically tied to dragons and magic so you’d think he’d hate them. unless he himself is one
@clownpendotfart
@clownpendotfart 4 месяца назад
The Dragons have been dead for a long time. I don't think Varys associates them with the sorcerer. We know he gave Aerys the correct advice on whether to let in Tywin, so it seems Aerys wanted that Valyrian descendant to survive as long as possible.
@rafaelgustavo7786
@rafaelgustavo7786 4 месяца назад
Maybe Bran talking with Varys in Astral-projection time travel? Maybe there are no gods in this universe, only elemental magic? Or, It's only a lie. Maybe Varys never hear a voice.
@BearusAurelius
@BearusAurelius 4 месяца назад
It makes you wonder if Varys is even a Eunuch at all. How would anyone know he was a Eunuch unless he told them? Or is this perhaps just a well known part of his childhood history? It certainly seems like it could be a made up story but that begs the question, why would he make this up? It seems unlikely he came up with the story on the spot just for Tyrion, unless perhaps this was from a play he performed in as a child? Either way this is one of the most interesting mysteries to me, one we will likely never have a definitive answer to.
@xXImikoXx
@xXImikoXx 4 месяца назад
"It spoke in a language that Varys did not understand..." - This is our last attempt to reach you about your cars extended warranty. Varys: "... and since that day, I have hated magic..."
@GBfanatic15
@GBfanatic15 3 месяца назад
I love telling people that. that the prophecies or what happens isn't necessarily the most important part, what matters more is how those events shape the characters that DO survive
@bradwolf07
@bradwolf07 4 месяца назад
The Voice: "I saved a bunch of money by switching to GEICO" Varys: And thus my hatred for magic was born
@JohnTorres1987
@JohnTorres1987 4 месяца назад
This man is just recycling material because he has run out of things to talk about. He NEEDS TWOW.
@daveb8559
@daveb8559 4 месяца назад
And we will never know. George is even fatter and happier. He sold out his life’s work and let them write the story into the toilet. He has no integrity. He will never finish.
@The10darksider
@The10darksider 2 месяца назад
After laeron valyrion travelled to Easos Varys maight be his descendant
@CC21200
@CC21200 2 месяца назад
Pretty horrifying when you're getting your stuff cut off and it's not even the worst part of your day.
@HisRoyalHygiene
@HisRoyalHygiene 4 месяца назад
I dont necessarily agree with the assertion that the sorcerer paid a high price for Varys, just enough that the leader of his troop was tempted. This suggests that the sorcerer wasn't after him particularly, just any young boy. If it was because Varys was a secret Targ, surely he wouldnt have been discarded so wantonly, his blood would have been too powerful and valuable. Instead, I think the body part taken from Varys holds significance. His story can be construed as mirroring those who suffer s*xual abuse as children.
@clownpendotfart
@clownpendotfart 4 месяца назад
That's my view. Why expect the sorcerer to know Varys' provenance & value better than his owner?
@robertrub5503
@robertrub5503 4 месяца назад
What color is the flame around glass candles? Isn't there some type of flame
@Magmafrost13
@Magmafrost13 4 месяца назад
Im kinda on team parlor tricks on this one. He was a young child, and a drugged one at that. We dont know that he actually heard anything, and we dont know that the spell actually worked (surely if it had, the sorcerer would want to keep Varys around to sacrifice other bits of him for other spells? He'd already paid a lot for Varys, it seems it'd be a waste to just throw away a potent and expensive magical ingredient) Its possible Varys was chosen because he had some secret kingly heritage, but its just as possible that the sorcerer just mistakenly believed he did. Given that fire magic didnt really work very well at the time, I really think the most likely explanation is that either the spell didnt work, or that Varys simply made the whole thing up.
@danystormborn1865
@danystormborn1865 4 месяца назад
After his conversation with Kinvara, I think he heard Daenerys saying Dracarys
@connercolter689
@connercolter689 2 месяца назад
Really using AI images when there is so much material made by real people
@WaywardWhiteWalker
@WaywardWhiteWalker 4 месяца назад
I don't think that happened to Varys... I think Varys did that to someone. He knows things. There seems to be an honest thread to the lies in ASOIAF, but they are still lies.
@WaywardWhiteWalker
@WaywardWhiteWalker 4 месяца назад
P.S. Varys is NOT a eunuch. Another lie (no surprise). The last chapter for him when he talks to Kevin in his normal voice gives it away.
@charlesp.8555
@charlesp.8555 2 месяца назад
If Varys had been lying, he wouldn't have immediately given Tyrion a reason to doubt it, as his tale is insane enough to be doubted on its merits alone.
@flintliddon
@flintliddon 4 месяца назад
Martin is contractually obligated to NOT release any more books in ASOIAF series until all tv shows are complete. Producers dont like the thought of more books competing with their tv shows. Martin has sold out so he can eat lunch at the cool kids table, with all the jocks and cheerleaders who ignored him when he was a nerdy, nobody script-writer.
@lorcanduffy9590
@lorcanduffy9590 3 месяца назад
I get what you’re saying but if he finished the books he’d one of the best selling authors ever and at an even “cooler” table
@flintliddon
@flintliddon 3 месяца назад
@@lorcanduffy9590 I disagree. Television has made him more money than the books. Quicker. And also brought him more fame and into closer contact with famous people than ever he would have realized as an author. I hate to say it, but he sold out for a thin and shallow prize. Because he is the insecure and unpopular fat kid that he was in high school. Writes the best stories, but is still agonizing inside over rejection he received as a younger person. And it’s also a good way to deflect the very real criticism he gets because he can’t figure out how to finish the series. So he just won’t.
@douglasdubois7985
@douglasdubois7985 4 месяца назад
I think it may have been some of the most genuine dialogue we’ve had from him. But like everyone, I’m left guessing as to whether that’s true or not.
@LuisFigo4
@LuisFigo4 4 месяца назад
Why do we even believe this story or that he is a eunich at all?
@beau9956
@beau9956 4 месяца назад
Ive seen it... looks like a goddamn Ken doll
@Commander_Ray
@Commander_Ray 4 месяца назад
the sorcerer was calling his dead mom she was in hell and he needed her recipe for a particular dish so he could impress his girlfriend
@clownpendotfart
@clownpendotfart 4 месяца назад
No recipe born in hell can break that Satan's spell (it was too spicy for his girlfriend).
@JP-rh7eb
@JP-rh7eb 4 месяца назад
Given how good Varys is at playing different roles, I do not believe that him noticeably changing his voice is something like an „involuntary artifact“ of a prepared story. Either he did believe his story was true, and the change happened due to his emotional state, or he was simply faking that as a signal „now I am telling the truth, please believe me“. Which brings us not one bit further to the truth. And I doubt we will ever know what George really intended.
@MrCoffeejingler
@MrCoffeejingler 4 месяца назад
Varys has kings blood, hes a Blackfyre
@jonathanyaloussa
@jonathanyaloussa 4 месяца назад
Three IDG videos in a week? Sign me up! (Although, I know the cat's paw was "payback" for last week.)
@rasmusludeking9788
@rasmusludeking9788 3 месяца назад
A scene in episode 5, season 6 merits, Varys - not lying. A red sorceress recounts his exact story, in the throne room of the great pyramid. As I haven't read the books, I don't know if this was a series adaptation or not, but it certainly ties into this video.
@trychydts
@trychydts 4 месяца назад
I believe that's why the song of ice and fire became an unfinishable project. George has simple too many loose ends to tie up. He simply could not burn and eunuch's manly parts in peace. He had to come up with a mystery for that as well.
@AB-ee5tb
@AB-ee5tb 2 месяца назад
You’re a real deep thinker
@gerganakoleva4137
@gerganakoleva4137 4 месяца назад
I also wonder will we ever know who is the new Asor Ahai is, or the answer of all the other prophecies. It looks like many of them are happening as told - like the "girl with the serpents in her hair", but also are made to be very ambiguous and different characters interpret them differently. As Melisandre tried to explain, the pictures she sees in the flames are real visions, but their meaning is never clear, as it depends how well you understood/interpreted them. This is a side of the magic and prophesies I really enjoy, as is really close to real life prophesies - like the Delphi Oracle telling the king "A big empire will fall" and him interpreting it as he will win the war, but it was his empire that ended up falling. I have the feeling that many of the prophecies and magic will never be fully explain, but as you said - there is no need for it. The interesting thing is how those things affect peoples lives.
@LusiaEyre
@LusiaEyre 4 месяца назад
People tend to see faces and shapes in clouds and burnt toast. Mishear song lyrics. It is possible that Varys' drugged and terrified mind thought random fire sounds (crackling, hissing) sounded like foreign speach just to make sense of the situation. Maybe a rouge sorcerer wanted a vision in the flames, but it doesn't mean he was important or that it was linked to the overall story. Not every nut job is part of a larger conspiracy. Bad people do bad things without a greater plan to it. The most important takes from that story are how this shaped Varys, his beliefs and attitude, and also why Varys was chosen in the first place and why he was worth a lot of money.
@justwatching1980
@justwatching1980 4 месяца назад
I hadn’t thought that Varys made it up. I believe it’s true and agree that it’s more important in the story how Varys reacted than what really happened. I didn’t realize this was Varys convincing Tyrion that he was personally against Stannis due to his use of magic.
@JLchevz
@JLchevz 4 месяца назад
I wholeheartedly agree. I think it’s just a mystery that explains some of Varys’ character and motivations. And I also think that his voice changes because he was telling the truth.
@Hectonkhyres
@Hectonkhyres 4 месяца назад
I had a tinfoil theory that it was the Yellow Emperor out in Carcosa in a RP that I was in once. Focused in the east, in fact the reason there were dragons in the Shadowlands. It was kind of original when we did it but I freely admit it was spurious as hell. But, yeah. If you need to speak across the world...
@denisabalaban6070
@denisabalaban6070 4 месяца назад
A fellow True Detective fan, I see. : )
@Fuphyter
@Fuphyter Месяц назад
He related to The Yellow King?
@juhopitkaranta6883
@juhopitkaranta6883 4 месяца назад
Probably no larger significance on the story than being the kickstart for Varys' charachter and possibly a hint for him being a Blackfyre. The blue flames just hinting at this being something more than a mere trick.
@migarsormrapophis2755
@migarsormrapophis2755 4 месяца назад
There's always the possibility that George himself doesn't know the answer.
@JohnnyWednesday
@JohnnyWednesday 4 месяца назад
I'll read the books when they're all finished - I couldn't bare the thought of the only extant ending being the TV adaptation!
@ThommyofThenn
@ThommyofThenn 4 месяца назад
Consider it as a high budget fanfic. Then read the books and imagine your own ending. If we get more books that is great but I have a feeling, even if grrm finishes ADOS, he won't answer every question or resolve every storyline. We are gonna be left with a ton of unanswered questions either way. Therefore, I do hope you try them out! Take your time and enjoy them; you never know, perhaps TWOW will be out by the time you finish them!😊
@pamelaguerra3768
@pamelaguerra3768 4 месяца назад
I am a hopeful fan and I still have faith in winds of winter but there is absolutely no chance that the whole series will ever be finished even if grrm lived to 200
@ryanmoore7098
@ryanmoore7098 4 месяца назад
You’ll never read the books then 😂
@donaldfarquar
@donaldfarquar 4 месяца назад
They'll never be finished and book 5 is right of the rails anyway. Almost as much nonsense as the last series of the show.
@austinhall3937
@austinhall3937 4 месяца назад
Unfortunately at this rate I don't think he will ever finish the series. He's 75 years old
@ms_publisher7143
@ms_publisher7143 4 месяца назад
I’m so done with the terrible AI slideshows, your vids where so much better before
@dpo1168
@dpo1168 3 месяца назад
Seems he's trying to pump more content out quicker and using AI imagery as an expediter
@clownpendotfart
@clownpendotfart 4 месяца назад
There's no reason to think Varys was any more special than any other slave child. Qohoric blacksmiths regularly use bloodmagic, and it's never said their victims must be royal (which is atypical in Pentos anyway). Dany carried out a blood ritual by burning Mirri, and we don't hear Mirri has any blood connection to anyone. It's not a coincidence that we meet Varys as a eunuch, because being a eunuch made him more trustworthy to Aerys II.
@PhilHibbs
@PhilHibbs 4 месяца назад
He’s not a eunuch.
@davidebasile9422
@davidebasile9422 2 месяца назад
as it is stated in the video, probably the important part in the plot is why Varys was specifically chosen and paid at a high price. King blood is required for powerful magic. I believe this story is there to point out to the Faegon plot, Varys himself being a Blackfyre and Faegon being his nephew.
@jasonchecinski9741
@jasonchecinski9741 Месяц назад
An un named party starting a plot to have Robert take the throne. He's talking to the night king who knows the song of ice and fire and that to succeed he needs a non targuarian king
@bleekskaduwee6762
@bleekskaduwee6762 4 месяца назад
I have always had the feeling that situation was tied in with the white walkers and that was what woke them up
@Geep1778
@Geep1778 3 месяца назад
The show runners totally dropped the ball with Varys as a character in the last couple of seasons. Plus he never got to tell Tyrion that rest of this fookin story
@DefileOdds
@DefileOdds 4 месяца назад
But didn't verys capture the man who did that too him and keep him in a box? Why wouldn't he force that information out of him? He's obviously willing to go there, which, he has every right to.
@templargfx
@templargfx 4 месяца назад
I believe it was the God or deity behind the whitewalkers and the undead king beyond the wall. Out of all the things in this universe, nothing quite encapsulates blue fire like they do. Burning blue eyes, an undead dragon that breathes blue fire. And blue is the opposite to red, and the red fire God intervenes directly to stop the undead king. Two deities at war with each other? Surely it was a God or Deity that gave the undead king his powers and the ability to raise the dead like he does
@V-is4Val
@V-is4Val 4 месяца назад
Extremely disappointed you are using A.I. art.
@squamish4244
@squamish4244 4 месяца назад
Another question that we'll never have answered. George was too busy murdering characters.
@mt_baldwin
@mt_baldwin Месяц назад
Perhaps not only "who" but "when", contacting someone from the past or future would be very valuable to a sorcerer (or to anyone). Had this mystery in a D&D campaign, who was the big bad evil guy communing with using her ancient artifact that had her several steps ahead of everyone else, that let her know things that should be impossible to know? "How could she know we were coming when WE didn't know until just now!?!?" Well the answer was herself in the past/future. It could be this sorcerer just wanted to know next weeks lottery numbers. Jokes aside there's no real theory here, just pointing out that who might not be the only thing that's important.
@j.477
@j.477 2 месяца назад
,,, ' ... in a fully realized & complex way etx ... thnx n kudos to IDG,, The LANGUAGE!?! " -> pure bliss fo' neuroDiv me ... greetings from berlin .,.
@goatish1395
@goatish1395 4 месяца назад
Title: "What did Varys hear in the flames?" My thinking: "We can't know, but hey, I'll watch." The conclusion: "We can't know, and we should keep watching." Truest clickbait and biggest nothing burger of this channel. Sorry. I still enjoyed the video, and I love your other work, but this really seems like milking a dead cow here.
@emrek99205
@emrek99205 Месяц назад
Tinfoil Theory: Varys was invited over for movie night and was accidentally maimed in the kitchen when the Jiffy-Pop started up unexpectedly. The gas stove has a blue flame. The tin foil on the popcorn is also blue. The repeated corn popping is the angry voice. And his inability to move is a combination of startlement, injury shock, and the beer he had been served beforehand. Afterwards he never saw the man again as you often don't with one night stands.
@Stranger.......235
@Stranger.......235 3 месяца назад
Welcome to the second part of my theory regading Varys. In the first one I’ve proved that eunuch DOESN’T hate magic. Is his story false, then? No, I believe quite the opposite. However to understand it better we need to analyse not only what the Spider said but also WHY. What was his motive? Only on the surface there’s nothing to think about. He just wanted to convince Tyrion that magic is real. That’s it. Only this motivation makes no sense. You must remember that Varys can be extremely convincing when he wants to. The Mad king, the queen, Ned,Tyrion, even the Littlefinger all were convinced that he’s on their side. He can be so persuasive he even convinced Ned to confess to treason. It wasn’t neither the Cersei nor Peter Baelish. It was the Spider himself. Certainly convincing Tyrion that magic is real sounds easier than persuading Ned. Only he fails. And no wonder, his story isn’t convincing at all. He even admitts that he doubts existence of the voice from the flames himself. And if Varys doubts, how on earth can he convince Tyrion. And what for? Where is his profit? Does Tyrion believing in magic is for him someone more useful than sceptic? It clearly makes no sense. So why Varys tells his sad little story? What is his true purpose? Well, to learn that one must remember what’s the situation like in King’s Landing. What’s going on in a Small Council? Ser Barristan gets dismissed, Janos Slynt gets dismissed and send to the Wall, Pycelle gets dismissed and send into the black cells. And Tyrion as Hand of the king considers also killing Varys. He even tells him that straight in the eyes. And Imp doesn’t joke even with his own family. He poisoned Cersei, send Myrcella to Dorne, right into hands of Lannister’s hating Marcells. And situation is even more dangerous as Stannis can attack the city at any moment. So what should Varys do? First he must useful and gain Tyrion’s trust. The Imp is perfectly aware that the Spider served Aerys, Robert Baratheon, and Joffrey. He must see him as a opportunist who will serve to whoever that sits the throne. I’m sure Tyrion can imagine eunuch in the future serving Stannis. Now that would be the worst nighmare for the Lannisters. Imagine how useful could be he be to older Bartheon. It’s safer to kill Varys than to allow to fall into Stannis hands. Now this little story of Varys getting cuts fits perfecly. It allows him to both gain trust Tyrion’s and convince him that in no circumstances eunuch will serve Stannis.
@jacobstewart7915
@jacobstewart7915 3 месяца назад
GRRM followed the Jar Jar Abrams “mystery box” method of writing for too long. Now there are a million mystery boxes that will never be opened. Yet we fans continue to waste our time speculating, theorizing, and debating these mystery boxes. Conclusion, GRRM is a scammer!
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