@@shahs1221 "Sir, this is a Wendy's and I already have my hands full trying to keep Dennis Prager from shitting in the Frosty machine. Your baconator with no bun or cheese will be ready at the window.“
And in his speech on “fresh new ideas” he manages to say nothing while sounding intelligent so faux intellectuals can be like yes yes quite right quite right
@@stevonwhite8933 Yes but that doesnt disprove anything he said. He is right. Centrists can be left or right leaning. If they "never agree with even some centrist pov’s, let alone left leaning, you’re a conservative." then they probably... arent... centrist... or identifying as one to begin with... should be pretty common sense.
"We need the left out there pushing for progress, so we can feel good about ourselves when we tell them that we've progressed enough and don't have room for more". It would be more believable if they also didn't actively undermine previous progress
It's almost like they're not mutually exclusive. You can have a beater car. You trade it up for a better car. Your driving experience has never been better, but it will gradually crumble as the parts wear. Its weird you didn't pick up on parallels like that. Just jumped to assume a contradiction without giving it a lick of thought.
Why do people try to push the idea that masculinity is necessarily about aggressiveness, lecherousness and toxicity? There are masculine virtues and masculine vices. To me, masculinity isn’t about being macho, it simply refers to behaviours typical of men.
🎵🎵Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord🇺🇸🇺🇸🗽🗽 One free man defending his home is worth more than ten hired antifa. First thing taliban/antifa (anti-freedom) does is force women to wear masks, force people to stay inside, ban guns, burn US flags, chant death to America. Alt-left were the ones building the camps and lighting the gas. Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Castro. Lots of sad idols in leftist history. Now the taliban. Ideology is not an alt-left strong point. Famine is distinct alt-left trait. Alt-left fascism has brought famine 100% every time.
I can’t for the life of me listen to JBP without completely zoning out. The man says so much without ever saying anything of substance it’s almost impressive He’s like a human white noise machine
Best description. I am a Christian so a lot of my friends love him, so I decided to read his book; the 12 rules are good ideas (not unique to him, btw), but they’re just surrounded by…. Words. Just words on words on words. The book could be pamphlet sized and be a good book, but instead it’s hundreds of pages of irrelevant stories and pseudo-intellectualism, and the fact that he uses words with more than 3 syllables means that dude-bros think they’re insanely smart for reading it.
@@doopthedude plus his whole logic in that book about "we've been doing this for thousands of years, we must keep it this way! even animals do it like this!" is the most stupid take ever. after reading that, it was very hard for me to keep reading.
"Why do leftists dislike facts? Also all other cultures who acknowledged trans people are wrong, don't ask why, and science proves life begins at conception! Don't ask me to cite that source!" - Ben Shapiro.
Human beings came into the world approx 300,000 years ago. So, we're really in the year 300,022. How you gonna be transphobic and homophobic in 300,022?
@Russian Waifu 🇷🇺 Which is why Ben Shapiro has to censor anyone who brings facts against him- oh wait... why does he do that if the facts are on his side?
@@Hugodenbeste Although your sentiment of redirecting the conversation where it matters is nice, I’d still disagree that life _unquestionably_ begins at conception. Life counts for a lot of things and a week old fetus is very much alive, but it’s already been alive as an egg before any kind of birds and the bees. That’s why it’s flat out unscientific to say otherwise outside the context of philosophy.
@@Hugodenbeste exactlly what i have try to explained to anti-choice people. yeah life might start at conseption but a fetus is a symbiote and depending of the relationship the carrier has to the symbiote is weither the symbiosis is mutual or parasitic. when conservitives are confronted with actual biological fact (not their dumbed down 6th grader knowledge of biology) they get their fefes hurt and they put up a wall of fundemental theological interpretation to shut your arguement down.
@@kaisburg2450 no. It is a clump of cells without a brain. Is a tumor life? Its a clump of cells without a brain, so by your definition it is life and its rights trump the rights of the person its in. "Life" in the sense of a living concious human being does not qualify for fetuses. And even if it did, that life does not trump the life of the mother. She has more rights because it is her body that the fetus is relying on, if she doesnt want it in her womb then thats her damn decision. If you want people to pop out kids regardless of the circumstances such as inc*st and r*pe, then you damn well better support free healthcare to the mother and baby, and education, and whatever else the child needs.
@@anjieobasa1871 I mean my views would be considerd "radical left" in the US but here in Sweden im liberal right winger. It's about how US political system and labeling is soo outdated and stupid when the left in the Us aint really that left. Edit: i forgot big letter for Sweden
What’s so infuriating about Peterson is that he’ll talk forever about hierarchical systems being corrupted by malevolence or bad actors while never considering that some forms of hierarchy may be evil THEMSELVES. Like, slavery was a system of hierarchy, but it wasn’t wrong because slave owners were evil or had darkness in their hearts, it was because the VERY NATURE of the hierarchical system was perverse. Asking a slave in that circumstance to “look into their own heart” would just be fucking absurd. We don’t need more well meaning leaders, we don’t need competent qualified individuals to run our systems of domination, we need to destroy the systems of domination mercilessly and by any means necessary.
Agreed, but I think Peterson was pushing back against a leading leftist position which was that hierarchies are social constructs. He wanted to state the importance of the natural factor, not that it's the only one that determines a hierarchy
@@hamzamahmood9565 No leftist believes that all hierarchies are social constructs, I don’t know who told you that. Like, no one thinks that I could beat LeBron one-on-one because hierarchy of skill at basketball is a “social construct”. Likewise, no one thinks that Michael Cera is stronger than an Olympic weightlifter, there’s a hierarchy of skill that just objectively exists.
Peterson works so well because he complicates things that aren't really complicated but seem complicated to people who don't understand. The problem with Peterson is that he targets a relatively open minded group of people and has to try (beyond his ability) to explain away every issue that they face. He only explains away about three quarters. And because he does try to 'intellectualise' these answers, he provides a way for those who listen to him to grow far past his obfuscation. I think most people give up on Peterson after a couple of years and they move into becoming budding leftists (as his answers didn't work or explain some key issues in their lives...) or they go hard, hard right. No inbetween.
Yes! Faux intellectualism confuses idiots because of thr Dunning Kroger effect! I've said this for years! If you understand Jordan Peterson, and you think this is what intellectual insight looks like, then you are overinflating yours and his intelligence. As a highly intelligent person, this is hot drivel.
I'm a woman and my youtube shorts feed was bombarded with Jordan Peterson shit and some of them were like okay and the people in the comment section were like worshipping him but then whenever he talked about anything related to women i felt weirded out by him i was like is this 16th century going on or what? Like he would many times indirectly say toxic stuff and i was like fuck this shit. No doubt he has so many incel fans lmao. Imagine describing a woman wearing lipstick as a attention seeking slut yuck. As if his own daughter doesn't wear lipstick. And the way his passive aggressive racist behaviour comes up sometimes i swear it annoys me. Well since I'm not a fatherless depressed man who's going to be single forever so i didn't really got too deep into his content and i never even subscribed to him lol. That's why he has almost no female fans
Yea, but there are centrists on both sides of the political spectrum. I think more what he meant was the people sitting on both sides should be defined more by the people in the middle and not the extremist’s. But in the end that is just my opinion.
@Rune Kristensen Under the actual definition of the spectrum, Social Democracy is centrism, THAT’S IT. No America or Denmark, it doesn’t matter. Liberals are center-right, and in other places because of no bullshit McCarthyism like in America, other countries have LEGIT Progressive parties like Socialist Parties, and Social Democratic parties. Liberals are allowed to be what they are, Center-right.
@Rune Kristensen In America, the center is right wing. The Republicans are Fascists and the Democrats are the Republicans of the 80’s. Meanwhile, someone like Bernie Sanders, who would be considered a centrist in Europe is seen as far left in the US
@@jivet3919 I mean a lot of us in Europe see Bernie as quite far left but I guess what you’re saying makes sense now that I think about it considering most of the policies he’s advocating for in America are already the standard in most European countries.
@Rune Kristensen socialism + racism and anti immigration. didnt germany do that? how is it socialism if it excludes the majority of the working people of the world? lmao europe is wild
@@febatista2932 But hasan doesn't present himself as a genius and most of his community holds him accountable when he spreads bs. Something that cannot be said about either peterson or shapiro.
I've had some very messed up dreams, but I've never understood how Jordan Peterson not only wrote the public hair dream down, but thought it was a good idea to publish.
After detox and three days in hell, being awake 64+ hours I lost count, people broke into my room and I saw black dogs running around in the garden, I couldn't sit. I never thought any of it was real.
Hilarious how these ghouls will hold up "logic, reason, the enlightenment" while at the same time naturalizing hierarchies - the one thing Enlightenment thinkers sought to destroy.
Peterson will hilariously say that hierarchies are natural and necessary, while saying that they degrade and fall apart. It's also ironic to watch these individualists work together to advance their ridiculous premises.
@@vermin6107 When did I say all hierarchies? Any hierarchies that aren't justified. The divine right of kings is not justified just like the rule of capitalists is not justified. If any enlightenment thinkers were alive today and saw the power and control of multinational corporations they'd be beside themselves.
Because, when you grow up around cruel people, and therefore act cruel to others, but then at some point realize that you shouldn't do that and begin to feel bad about it, the weak minded among us will flock to anyone who will tell them they are truly the victims, they need not feel guilt, they need not evaluate and change their ways of thinking, in fact it's those who care about others who are always making you feel bad, and so therefore they must want to make you feel bad and must get off on it, and therefore they're bad morally bankrupt people who just love feeling good about themselves. I've seen too many old friends go down this dumbass road and end up miserable assholes who always think they're a victim.
Due to my own experience I’ve always seen past Peterson’s bullcrap even when I was going down the alt-right pipeline years ago. I personally have issues finishing my talking points and thinking about too many things when I start talking so I get distracted and end up saying nothing too great of a value. A lot of the time people end up being impressed on how well I string words together rather than because of what I said. It’s amazing to see the same weakness that I’m struggling to overcome being celebrated as a ”highly intellectual banter actually” instead of as the word porridge that it is.
A lot of conservatives I talk to can actually agree with some of the fundamentals of socialism so long as they are recontextualized to remove the buzzwords these debate bros tout like Ben and Jordan. Goes to show their ideas carry little weight to normal people
It kind of pisses me off listening to Jordan Peterson speak. Ben Shapiro, for as much as I hate him, at least tries to make a point and builds toward it like a human being. Jordan Peterson just sort of mumbles big words and doesn't establish any points he's trying to make.
And also Ben Shapiro tries to listen to counter arguments by someone even if his replies would be dog shit meanwhile Peterson straight up doesn’t want anyone to question him at this point. Both are trash but Peterson is definitely worse.
I think it’s because teen boys are usually very awkward and don’t really know themselves very well so they look for communities that they can fit into. Conservatives like Shapiro and Peterson fill those voids bc of their large social media presence. I do think that Hasan and his zoomer appeal has helped pull young men from the alt right pipeline tho
Is Hasan really substantially different though? His views are mainly grounded on his moral beliefs (which is ok, since unlike JBP and Shabibo he isn’t a bad person) but they are not really thought through. Everything you mentioned about conservative communities also applies to Hasan‘s community. Don‘t get me wrong, I‘d rather want young people to listen to Hasan instead of the above mentioned grifters, but eventually they‘ll have to form their own opinions based on information they‘ve researched themselves or experiences they‘ve made themselves.
Because they have a certain set of beliefs , look at what you are doing now? Are u not trying to prove them wrong? U not trying to convince people your own "truth" about them? You are ignorant, man.
It always cracks me up when Peterson refers to us all as children who don’t know any better and essentially idealistic. I am a 38 year old elder millennial. I’m not some naive kid who bought into the capitalism=bad theory. I’ve lived it. I’ve experienced it.
I read JP book and it was full of bullshit . He took scientific researches out of context to use them to strengthen his own ideas . He wrote too much that it stopped making sense . Also speaking as someone who comes from different culture , the things he said does not apply to everyone and everything , especially his explanations with dived into Christianity was kind of nonsense ( I have nothing against Christians ) as it does not apply to other beliefs and religions.
I had gone through some tough times and I was looking for some answers in life and that is when I found Jordan Peterson. I was never a huge fan but I found some of lectures to be interesting. However, over time and seeing more of his content and interviews. The man is deeply troubled, and I feel bad for him a lot of the time. I hope he gets help.
@@samuelgregory4876 have you listened to his actual lectures and not just the small 15 second clips on yt shorts? I’m not gonna say I agree with everything he says, but I just want to know why some ppl view him as delusional. Not saying he isn’t just want to know why
It's funny how JP preaches individualism and picking yourself up by the boot straps but his audience is insecure and looking to blame everyone besides themselves for their problems, they want validation, not accountability
@@monke4070 It's not hard to pinpoint his core audience. Read a comment section or listen to the way he frames his messaging, JP does not exactly hide that he is attempting to appeal to "lost young men"
I get all my advice and life counseling from a guy who destroyed his own body through substance abuse and an all-meat diet, and who suffers from pronounced depression and Muppet-voice disease. I aspire to be as skilled at preparing "Word Salad" as Chef Peterson
@Rune Kristensen sure. but that only highlights the dishonesty of peterson's message (to leftists) to mever try to influence anything until you solve all your personal problems. of course the real reason he tells them that is that he doesn't want their ideals to influence the world.
As a man I don't know any men that like any of these tools. I'm assuming there audience is filled with younger men still trying to understand themselves who will eventually grow out of listening to these pseudo intellectuals.
ive actually met many grown men listening to everything JP says religiously, cause he says everything they already believe in but in "intellectual" way using big academic words, therefore they believe the bs they say is right, i lose brain cells everytime i talk to one of those
Ah until they join the proud boys, no contact with "intellectualism" needed anymore. I know men who listen to him religiously and believe his every mumble. It's honestly scary what they believe to be true.
when i was in uni, during the whole c-16 thing... it was the older cisgender male professors that tried to push his stuff. i don't think that was a coincidence.
My brain is so fried that when Hasan said "stem cell", I thought he, on the fly created a new term, "STEMcel". I portmanteau of "STEM" and "incel". Which was a lot more funny to me until I realised he actually just meant "stem cell".
I honestly must thank Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro so much. I’ve been struggling ever since I was born when my father left. Because of their powerful voices my dad came back after 21 years to tell me to shut this shit off. I appreciated because my ears were bleeding listening to the two worst voices that ever existed. Sorry Hasan, I only watched 3 minutes and already have a headache so I can’t watch the video 😢
@@thaliagarcia9684 yeah, although I can see myself doing the same shit with other father figures. People don’t realise how that can fuxk with your head your entire life.
So funny when Peterson goes on his obligatory rant and Ben Goblino is just awkwardly sitting there sneering and occasionally nodding but clearly not listening.
I remember being really invested in JP's lectures in my early twenties after trying to find classes on Jungian psychology for BTS music video lores (yes, the kpop band) it was great for the most part, but then there were more and more of his points surfacing that I just couldn't get behind. His takes on single-parent families, the insistence that the ideal family is a man and a woman, his take about how make-up on women is inherently to seduce men because apparently it artificially replicates a look of arousal. I liked his take about how you should take care of yourself like you're caring for someone you love, but that's all I took.
That’s I actually what people should do. Listen or read someone or something that interests you with an open mind and then take with you the things that you agree on.
Hey hasan, a long time youtube watcher here, i've been watching all the videos you post, old ones, and even entire vods fron the hasanabi industrial complex. But I'm sorry man, i cant watch this video bro. Peterson is just TOO DULL I can't man, i tried, really.
the absolute disconnect of conservatives constantly pointing out how things are better now than they used to be, but then adamantly condemning any sort of progressive ideology, is honestly kind of impressive.
What is even more incredible is that these men actually have wives and children. I hope this inspires men that no matter how repulsive or lacking in masculinity you may be... There is a woman out there for you. So inspirational
Peterson: The left hates facts... now let me attempt to opine philosophically about my meandering hypotheticals based on nothing but my own personal worldview.
Young Men (Myself included) tend to stumble upon people like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro during their high moments and latch to that for a while before the reality of who and what they really are wash away the good first impression. If I recall correctly my first ever video of Ben Shapiro (That I sat and actively watched) was him schooling a chick when she was complaining about the Boy Scouts not having any girls.
Peterson: Calls college kids and anyone somewhat left leaning snowflakes. Also Peterson: Literally breaks down crying at any minor turn in conversation.
The Chapo boys were talking about this once and I think it was Matt who said that since we don't teach humanities/critical thinking/philosophy in high school that dorks like Shapiro and Peterson are lots of boys first exposure to those disciplines, and so they find it deep and profound instead of the shallow grifting it is
What I absolutely love about JBP is that he inspires me to do a PhD. Because if he can do it then I can do anything. Even though I am academically hopeless and have a very average IQ. He makes me feel like maybe I am cleverer than I give myself credit for
You can actually see Benny forcing himself awake and listening for inflection cues of when to react. You can almost hear the tumbleweeds blowing through his little head.
hasan's jp impression is so spot on that when I'm not actively watching, it takes me a second until he says something too straightforward to be certain
Jordan's argument about the patriarchy at the end was laughable. The notion that any young man bettering themselves means they will have more power, and that that is bad because men in power is the patriarchy, has to be about the stupidest thing I've heard this year. Having power and exerting the power you have over others are two different things. The patriarchy as a system of social organization is damaging because it gives all the agency and power to men and encourages the use of such power to exert control over the lives of others (women, children and even other, weaker men). Not only that, not all types of power are the same. The power an individual can derive from learning a new language is not the power a government can have in erasing the rights of women to bodily autonomy in an attempt to control their sexual behavior. I think this has been made very clear, specially considering present circumstances. What a disingenuous argument, what a simplification of the concept of power and of social structures. The patriarchy is not men having some power, the patriarchy is nobody else having any.
The comment’s section here is full of what expected. People who only wish to be the “smartest person in the room” and cannot fathom higher level thinking. This comments section shows a band of people who have yet to fully develop their prefrontal cortex, and it shows
This guy I'm dating turned his life around with the help of Jordan Peterson's first book, which is amazing, but at the same time he quotes it a bunch and it's a bit cringe cause I know it's Peterson we're talking about. That aside though, he only quotes the self help parts of the book like "pet a cat" n stuff which are valid ngl. Generic self help stuff.
Some men are just looking for someone who will guide them in these confusing times. Probably those who have no father figures. JP probably connects with them more and they feel some of their questions are answered. Like having focus, discipline, self reliance and a purpose in life. Pretty basic stuff that you can read in any self help books.
I've never heard someone said so much yet mean so little until Jordan "Kermit-The-Frog-Here" Peterson. And then you have Ben Shabibo which is the epitome of "Talk Fast = Sound Smart". Truly two of the highest intellects of our time.
My brother is 25 and listens to Ben Shapiro and JBP religiously everyday. Every morning while he drives to work, he puts on Ben Shapiro and continues it on break/driving home. He is addicted and brags about how smart he is as he mimics the same old conservative rhetorics he hears from them on their videos. He also got married recently and she too is just like him, so unfortunately I don't think he will ever escape the hell hole he got into.
I’m afraid of listening to Azan too much because my brother and dad are like that with Ben/other conservatives and they’re insufferable. I think Azan is better, but I don’t want to limit myself to one dude and his cult of personality.
I agree with Hasan only for the simple fact that even if Jordan B Peterson was right I still can't understand 90% of whatever the fuck he's rambling about. jordan "the intellectual" peterson: if you say enough confusing things eventually the only people left who still think you're coherent will be the ones agreeing with you. if they don't you can just say "they didn't understand"
was falling asleep while watching this and i genuinely didn’t notice it was hasan impersonating crying kermit towards the until he said “h h groyper 88” which made me wake up bc i was shocked 😭 i literally thought that was jordan peterson talking and i wouldn’t have noticed it wasn’t if i didn’t open my eyes oh my god the impression is on point
Omg he hasn't actually read Foucault at all and it enrages me every time he tries to act like he has... At this point he's literally taking advantage of someone being dead and unable to defend himself.
When I was an angry teen I tried to become a JP fan, but I couldn't because he was so boring and the way he spoke didn't make any sense to me. Thank goodness lol
Love how JP thinks power is some outside force that corrupts a hierarchy, power is literally what creates and reinforces hierarchy. Literally by definition. It’s like he thinks power is some magical force that possesses people instead of a description of social relations.
You have completely misunderstood his point, like the other illiterate morons on RU-vid. Yeah, hierarchies create power dynamics that are VERY OFTEN GOOD. We WANT competent skilled people to have more authority than incompetent unskilled people.
Conflation. Pointing out inherent negatives is not vilifying. 5:00 "yeah just cuz we rich have all the power and will kill any and everyone who tries to change that, doesn't mean we can change that." Powerless to change what they don't want changed. 6:50 what peckerson suggests is always blame yourself for the everpresent evil in your own heart while never blaming any externality. Yeah he's a real deep thinker 11:55 "....the last 40 years....". gee how unusual that a society would evolve and progress. Except america is regressing, specifically due to conservative legislation, there is no leftist Marxist legislation to blame western decay on. I hate peckerson
I think going after Peterson for his self help stuff is detrimental to getting people to listen to you. After all, there is so much other rubbish you could tackle him on, religion and politics being the two main ones. I personally dont find his self help content particularly helpful, but i guess some people actually do need to be told to get out of bed and cook a meal. idk, just seems pointless to throw out blanket statements like "he hasnt helped anyone" bc u disagree with his political views.
As long as Peterson can acknowledge that his method for self-help isn’t the only way to self-help, I couldn’t care less what he says because it could fit for some people. I only care about what he says on religion and/or politics, because that stuff could be causing harm to many.
