Which is funny because I think it was the idea that Cyborg was half machine that Victor Blood thought he couldn’t control him. Either way I thought it was touching
I remember the titans east episode, really wish they had just kept this version of teen titans around rather then make the shit show they decided to “remake”
Real gurren lagann moment, and then you realize the reason he overwhelms and is able to repair himself is because he used Brother Bloods power against him, back in the day I figured he willed that repair on himself, which I was also ok with lol.
@@nobodybroda3826 Y'know, I've always wondered how the...borderline magical finale happened but that makes a lot of sense. Brother Blood's mental powers are-obviously-based on his mind. And if in his mind Cyborg can't be beat, his powers actually force that into reality. It's like that...I can't remember the anime name, think it's at least related to that one Railgun girl anime, but some villain has a reality warping power that's based off his perception, and he accidentally gets into essentially a feedback loop where he's so piss scared of a guy refusing to back down despite losing an arm, before he can stop himself he thinks 'this guy is a *monster*'...and his power makes that reality.
The original teen titans version of cyborg is my favorite iteration. To this day I still can't wrap my head around him being in the Justice League bc I'm so used to him being with the titans
“My body may have its limitations but if I put my mind to it, there’s no limit to what I can do..after all I’m only human” that quote resonated with me ever since I was a kid and I think it’s the best in the series
As someone who was nearly killed in an accident, I agree fully, I've always thought of my injuries in computer terms anyway "The hardware of myself may be damaged, but the software runs on it regardless."
honestly, the kid showing his prosthetic to cyborg is something that stuck with me ever since I was a kid. Good people don't do good things just for their own gain, they do it to inspire others to be just like them, or to give hope to the hopeless.
"Finding A Balance" is an apt way of putting it. Cyborg is part human, Cyborg is part machine, Cyborg is all _person._ Finding a balance between his two sides to be a person is the journey he goes on and proves his "humanity" in every form.
Iron Hand: "You will fail. Your sentimentality will be your undoing. The flesh is weak." Salamander: "I have heard you say that phrase on several occasions since our first encounter. I am not sure that you really understand what it means." Iron Hand: "You may have spoken with the Gorgon but do not think to school me in the teachings of my own primarch!" Salamander: "Perhaps I must if the lesson was not learned properly," Ari'i snapped back. "What you say, the flesh is weak, is only part of the saying. In forgetting the end you have lost the meaning. Vulkan said it in praise of Ferrus Manus, after the One Hundred and Eighty-Fourth Expedition when our Legions jointly liberated the ork-dominated worlds of the Shoxua Cluster. The fighting had been fiercer than anything we had expected. Your primarch said in jest that his arm was tired from killing so many orks, and Vulkan retorted with "the flesh is weak, but deeds endure". It was a celebration of what they had achieved, and a remark that even primarchs can die but what they do will last beyond their lifespan. It was a message of humility, not condemnation. Flesh is weak because it knows it must come to an end, and so we must rise above the concerns of flesh and leave a legacy that others will be proud to inherit. Ferrus Manus understood that. He was a harsh master, an unforgiving ally, but he was also a maker of things - a builder, not a destroyer. Whenever I think of Cyborg and Fixit, and Cyborg vs. Atlas, that little exchange between an Iron Hand Astartes (a Space Marine Chapter/group that believes that which makes us human is weak and must be replaced with steel), and a Salamander Astartes (a separate Space Marine Chapter/group that believes humanity must be cherished and protected) plays back in my mind.
Based warhammer enjoyer I see. I wonder how the mechanicus would react to cyborg. They might assume he’s an advanced combat servitor, until he speaks. After that he’s either a walking STC or living tech heresy
There is one minor and subtle detail, they shadow but don't ever fully elaborate on, even if the facts are there. The technology that makes him, comprises him of what and how he is, is a self-evolving and improving LIVING machinery. So, it can and does evolve like his organic side.
My gripe with the first video is him knowing he had like 13 minutes to get home ,chose to walk home instead of having raven teleport him there AND decided to fight a bad guy instead of again going home .the titans could have handled the bad guy while he got charged up. There's also the fact that his onboard CPU most likely let him know when he got up to change his battery,all that he went through could have definitely been avoided.
Cyborg, as a character, often tries to pretend he isn't a Cyborg. He really hates that part of him. So I'd assume he just ignores the CPU telling him until it's an immediate issue. Furthermore, while I doubt Raven would mind, I don't think Cyborg would ever ask her to do that for him as it's something he hates about himself, and he doesn't want to put that burden on anyone but himself. Again, I sincerely doubt Raven would care. She'd probably want to because it's an excuse to be inside, but he sees it as a burden and wouldn't want to ask for that kind of help.
Maybe this was mention before, if it was I am sorry for being a broken record added to the others; but I think that the next bit that was missed. Cyborg in the Hive Academy was the other extreme. Being very human or rather the things he lost when he went from Victor Stone to Cyborg, from High School Athlete to Superhero. I personally felt that was the pinnacle culmination of Cyborg's growth.
I’d also add the episode where Cyborg goes back in time and has to deal with helping protect a village while also dealing with a newfound mortality being in a time without electricity
@@gabrielrobleto2163 Oh right!!! I completely forgot about that episode!!!! Thank you for reminding me, yeah... that final bit where his battery power was about gone and then him being pulled back to the future. That final hail mary shot to save the girl.
As much as I'm not a fan of the Snyder cut of Justice League, but its version of Cyborg is probably the closest we have gotten to a perfect Cyborg at least compared to the Teen Titans version.
If you haven't, I'd check out Doom Patrol and their version of Cyborg. He gets much more screen time than the DCEU and personally I feel is a much better adaptation that highlights more of the different sides of Cyborg.
@@circleman628YES. That's a much better Cyborg. Cyborg has never been in Doom Patrol and yet it's still a much better fit than the Justice League. Cyborg just works better as an upbeat character.
I still can't believe they traded this master piece of a show. For some overly goofy and freakily annoying, down scaled version, they have on TV today... But it "seems" people today, don't want kids learning mature subjects on TV. Instead... They want them to watch mindless drama, that teaches you to run from your problems. Instead of confronting them, like you should. Sorry for the rant... Nice character study video for Cyborg. Well done.
Go does have good content, especially yher movies. its just its format really works better as 10 minute segment, not bloated 30 minute episodes, that the proiblem, the epidoes are good and several have great messages but the nanrative doesnt work in a 30 min block
The message for the episode Only Human was weird honestly. Build in limits is very important for human ingenuity, we need them and thrive in these road blocks. The fact the show says he have no limits isn't a good take because now you can say: Anyone can win anything, and that's why we have so many bodies in the Everest.
This is a horrible take. That episode was an awesome and powerful message. The will to push past what people tell you is the limit is how humans do great things.
The issue is that you have taken reckless from it, rather than an unwillingness to simply resign oneself to the hand they're dealt, to keep growing, pushing, struggling "Having no limits" is not the same as "I have infinite power", which is the recklessness you seem to have drawn from it, one still needs to fulfill that potential, but seeing limits as things to be overcome, as barriers to yet further growth, is a far more positive mindset then resigning oneself to mediocrity over perceived limits
Like Superman, I feel like Cyborg is an underrated character. In fact, I think they both struggle with the same topic: what it means to be human. I still think he should be in the Teen Titans instead of the Justice League, though.
I fell in love with Cyborg thanks to Zack Snyder's Justice League, and Ray Fisher's performance, but having grown up with the Teen Titans show without giving that version much attention, revisiting it after loving the Snyderverse makes me appreciate the TT one so much more, and your work really emphasizes some of these qualities i see now! (If anyone comes to my comment to reply negatively in any way, please don't. My positivity doesn't warrant a negative response, and you can just leave your own opinion separately without tying me to it)
Yes it could very well be an allegory for both steroid or drug abuse and in a different draft of my script I had this as a talking point. But I scraped it for time and video flow.
Definitely a bit of the Max7 and Fix-It storylines. "upgrading" your human body with the strength and certainty of steel until there's nearly nothing human about what you are.
Cyborg is arguably the best character in the series. He's frankly a better leader than Robin, whose stubbornness and overemotional tendencies put the team at risk more often than not, and he's all around a great guy.
You should do a video on The Outsiders from Batman: the Brave and the Bold. They don't have a lot of episodes but I really loved them in that show and it made them some of my favorite DC characters
Will you be able to cover the Cyborg and the Hive? I always found it interesting how Cyborg bolsters about humanity is great, but Brother Blood completely disregards his statements and becomes a cyborg himself.
I love this video so much - it’s such a great reminder why I love Cyborg’s arc so much. His series arc about moving from resignation about his disability to radical affirmation/acceptance of his disability/robotics to then learn that Vic doesn't need to over-mechanize, that he is perfect and more than enough in his balance of half man/half machine was so good. Are you going to do a video about his season because I love how TT03 ties his journey of acceptance and finding balance to his coming-of-age journey learning about what it means to be a man and becoming a affirmation of positive black masculinity
@@Venxous Same even as a black girl, it meant so much to me too. A black boy being defiant while a white man kept trying to break him and instead of being shamed for his defiance, the black boy was rewarded for it bc his defiance was what gave him victory in the end- just meant everything to me. Also that the only people able to resist Blood’s mind control were the two black kids: Cyborg and Bumblebee. And those black kids were unapologetically defiant and bold and each were rewarded for it in the end.
Have you ever thought, what it is like to lose your empathy? To have your mind tortured to the point of no return? That is what i feel, all i always wanted, was someone to tell me, they understood me, but no one actually knows what it is like to lose everything that made you human, to lose everything that gave you hope, everything that helped you exist without the everlasting PAIN...
I really love this scene with the amputed boy, & the fact that the kid isn't sad rather happy because he's now like his idol, & that Cyborg endorse that, Heartwarming 💙💙
The fear of waking up as a robot is already pretty scary when you think about it, but imagine that now, you can't feel anything, pain, playsure, even your emotion, having a robotic leg or arms can be cool, but you whole body, hep no
One of my fav eps for cyborg is when he goes to infiltrate brotherblood and realizes its the human and spirit in him that makes him cyborg not the machines
It was episodes like these that helped me swallow Cyborg using his will to rebuild himself when fighting Brother Blood. Looking at them as a whole, it was the logical endpoint, even if just a one-off thing Cyborg did.
I think a 4th episode should've been added. When he infiltrated the Hive Academy. It really shows how much he still misses his full humanity, but deals with it.
only one thing that bothered me as a kid and bothering me now cyborg knows that he needs to change the batteries every couple of years so surely he has some early warning right? "sorry titans i have to change my betteries go on i'll catch up with you" titan alert being a reason he doesn't change his batteries and the rest of the episode playing normally would be ok but he just FORGOT!? and he even has a timer in his hand seems like a mistake on his part to make it beep only when he has seconds left
The robot guy in the first episode mentioned is one that strives for perfection in his eyes at the cost of anything else. “Perfect is the enemy of good enough” unlike cyborg who wishes to hold onto his remaining humanity prophet from the crysis games had a goal he needed to achieve and was willing to sacrifice the entirety of the human being he used to be to achieve that goal. In the opening monologue from the 3rd game he talks about replacing his flesh and blood like a spare part to become more of a combat machine to defeat the aliens. He’s one of the last remaining people to wear the nano suit and has been inside it so long, he’s become permanently bonded to it. Cyborg could continue upgrading himself into a stronger fighter but where does it end? How long down the upgrade path before you realize that human element is holding you back? Typically the human elements of half machine half biological beings have benefits but they aren’t as tangible as the mechanical strengths.
That brings up a good point, how much of you has to be lost before you're no longer human. If you had all of your parts replaced are you still human, or is it your spirit and Defiance that makes you human?
True but how do you get to the next level? You have to push through in whatever your doing in able to see what your capable of. Obviously don’t kill yourself but I think it’s important we give it 110% in what you do physically/mentally
@billrilley8171 Depends on what it is. You can definitely cause more harm than good by pushing too hard. Also it is impossible for a person to give more than 100% as if you can give more, it isn't 100%. Unless you consider 100% to be less, then what you are physically able to do, but then it becomes pretty arbitrary. You do need to push muscles to get stronger, but it needs to be in controlled increments. It is ill advised to push yourself for certain tasks as well, such as arm wrestling. Your ligaments will snap if you put too much strain on them. Humans also have an upper limit that can not be broken. At a certain point, you will see diminishing returns, and pushing any further can only cause harm. Humans can grow, but our potential is limited
We all have Limits. And NO. Sometimes there are simply things you cant do. No matter how much you want it/how much you try. And thats okay too. It ALSO makes us Human. And just because there is something you cant do, doesnt't mean there is something out there you still could do.
13:15 what cyborg did here was highly irresponsible and dangerous. It could of been advertised by any adversary, any enemy, anyone and be loaded with malware, or be a energy draining EMP, or destroyed every ounce of ethics he had causing him to lose control of his robotic side via an simple hack when it's put in, it could of ultimately ended up being a plot to destroy him: and he was more than willing to buy the product without doing research, without seeing if this product was "real" in the sense there was multiple copies, he just bought the one and expected the best results...
Barbarians backstory Mom gave me a small trident to fight these things called vegetables and dad said he was called a formal fighting against the veg so they said make sure you eat all your veg on your plates
Ever since I’ve understood the weakness of my flesh it disgusted me, I craved the strength certainty of steal, I aspire to the purity of the blessed machine. Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay in fail you
This video is a real breath of fresh air considering the last time I saw a youtube video talking about these episodes the uploader kept framing these episodes as "bad" and "ableist" because cyborg didn't solely define himself by his limitations, somehow completely missing the point behind cyborg's dilemma and struggle to the point it was probably intentionally missed to drum up drama. Cyborgs got some really quality stories surrounding his whole deal he has going on and the nature of being still human while being half super powered robot physically.
Dude, I am loving your content, you have so many things to say to relate to these shows we all love so much. You are doing an amazing job. I could listen to you talk about these universes all day. I just want to tell you with all the love possible, you can take second takes, build your script, practice, record and monitor what you say, I understand how it is with these things but I think you are really going places ❤ and Want to see you go further.
This is what Go spits on and mocks, then goes off and parodies a better show or does some dumb tangent that usually ends with Robin as the punching bag.
Why the hell are calling him a science experiment. His dad was saving his life after Victor had an accident. Yeah it wasn't right or correct but he did it to save Victor. Do not discount the experiment to being only an experiment when it was a father doing what he could to save his child.
I can't help but wonder as to what the name of the song you used for this was, cause it sounds super chill and laidback. But also, this was a delightfully insightful video. Kinda came at a good time for me, seein as how I'm at a crossroads in life right now.
Is it just me or does the max 7 chip feel like it's a metaphor for energy substance abuse. Like someone who drinks entire gallons of 5 hour energy/caffeine and taking trucker pills, you burn yourself out and can even cause damage and even die.
I was thinking more along the lines of substance abuse but yeah that same kinda idea. Didn’t include it on my script because i couldn’t find a great place to put it.
Depending on certain illustrations that I knew of. Ones where he's fixed by the father box I assume he has a endless power source. Unless the father box is parasitic in nature which makes it worse for cyborg cause it's plaguing his mind with darkseid and the anti-life equation causing him to go haywire and blue screen on some occasions. Also I'm trying my best not to make a admech reference cause that's overdone. Actually How would Cyborg react to the Admech from 40k? Disgust? Pity? Disturbed? Or just Horrified cause he could've end up like them. Alongside the WAY from soma. Would he react to it positively or negatively cause it's a very confused AI who doesn't understand how to ethically keep a human alive. It also mends both mechanical and organic matter into one essentially creating a healthy creature.
I don’t think cyborg would get along with the tech priests but not bc they’ve forsaken their humanity. In 40k humans and transhumans have clear gaps and some don’t consider themselves human, but not bc they don’t recognize they come from the same population as regular people, but bc they are considered holy demigods in some cases and in the mechanicus they are the priests of the omnisiah. They don’t consider themselves mortal, which is basically a synonym for regular human in 40k. The tech priests do have a decided lack of emotion and they do tend to replace the vast majority of their biological bodies, but even that difference isn’t the thing that would cause the most issues. It’s that the tech priests wouldn’t even give him the chance to react to them before they either try to retake control over what they see as a rogue combat servitor or they mobilize spicy 40k guns bc his tech will almost certainly be all types of tech heresy
@@ianharrison5758 it's a AI that was given a simple directive. Preserve humanity. Made by humanity themselves when a comet came in and killed every living thing on dry land as the last humans on earth where in the deep depths of the ocean where the lucky survivors. When this happened the WAU changed it's directive from preserving humans to just about any anymore. As long it's alive it's safe. But the WAU. Isn't like a hyper intelligent AI it means no ill intent. It just doesn't understand how to keep a person alive ethically. It also fuses both flesh and machine to esnure maximum survival. I recomend watching a video about it to understand the lore better.
@@ianharrison5758 it also does this weird thing where it just copies your entire identity and pastes another you. It doesn't do this to replace but to preserve. It's always copy and paste. Not cut and paste. So if it copied Cyborg it can pump out a fully 'healthy' version of him. The unfortunate part is the Copy still thinks their a human despite being in a robot body they still feel pain so not at all robotic.
In the 2nd episode I think it gives the wrong idea. Unless his subconscious is filtering his mechanical limits, there is no way to get more power. 100% is 100%. But they still could have used the same lesson in what I think is better way by showing cyborg using his human ingenuity to make greater use of his cybernetic enhancements than Atlas. Though I guess they were thinking of the next episode, where he doesn’t know when to quit so…
I think the point here is actually that "100%" is just "advised safety limit" and not the maximum output or weight it can truly handle, he just couldn't drive himself past what he thought were absolutes, since limitless potential isn't meant as a literal here but rather about not being boxed in by perceived limits
Jesus I really don't like your voice, but this shit made me cry, I fucking love when Characters prove how human they are when using Empathy, some say that rage is the most powerful but that changes noithining, real change has to happen when Empathy is the strongest tool, it can really better are self's and are Societies,