As if he'd ever be with someone like Agnes. Shinn might not be bright (the term, not the guy), but there is no way he'd ever wanna be with Agnes after what she told him.
@@junehalog024 no he didn't, Kira mental state was just in an absolute mess That Agnes just force herself on him but when it came to respond, he pushed her away
I wouldn't be surprised if Durandal considered putting her on the boat instead of Luna but Rey advised against it, since, due to having personal expirience, he knew Agnes would be a loose screw in the machine and that Luna would do better as part of the squad. Heck, Agnes was even less military material than Shinn. Minerva Corps was supposed to be an elite top unit, and it couldn't function well if its members were in a state of constant discord.
Agnes only wanted Kira because she was with Lacus. Some people want someone else because they wonder what they are missing out on since they ended up with a girl above their level.
I'm just surprised they didn't give Agnes, the most volitile/unstable girl pilot in the movie a gigantic ass destroyer class mobile armor/gundam, like they did with quess or Stella. Truely breaking new ground in the latest gundam movie!
I appreciate the new perspective in the story and im not trying to undermine u or anything.. but erm...out of curiosity what is the source of this content that you have mentioned in this video?
@GundamHQ ya didnt mention tbe word "book" so I misunderstood and wishes to clarify. My apologies. I did not go to the early admission in my country so i was not given any of the items. I went to the theaters like any other movie.
The story of Destiny is far more scattered compared to SEED and Shinn is extremely obnoxious as a protagonist. The fight animation was also largely recycled from SEED when they really needed new cuts. I actually don't mind Shin as a character myself though he went full dark side at the end so, yeah...
Destiny was plagued by problems by its second half and if what some of the statements made of the people involved and some speculations are true, then it makes sense. IIRC Shinn's VA once stated there was some beef between the producer or the one in charge with Cagalli's VA hence why she turned from this Naive Girl who grew up into who she was meant to be in SEED into the Cagalli that is only Cagalli in name in Destiny. Which is also why it was Meyrin Hawke who was with Athrun at the end. Shinn's VA stood up for Cagalli's VA and his character development is scrapped and we the Shinn of the Second Half. There were internal/personal issues that the producer was experiencing and she couldn't seperate work from personal life and it affected the show too. Anyways, no matter if it is true or not the truth is it had some issues and it resulted in a subpar half second of what could have nice.
Yeah i think so to especially when he took down 4 black knights without any scratch on his destiny we can already assumed he's in the same tier as kira and athrun.
@KingfAce-qb9xk and he did not overextend his power consumption, even have enough to be able to spare energy to Luna's Force Impulse and still continue the fight. Massive improvement from Shinn piloting skills vs his Seed Destiny self
I didn't know about their mother - but I guess I never paid enough attention to her voice to realize. Learn something new every day @Hewhotranscendsgodhood
lunamaria was such aside piece of a character from destiny that she never really got any development at all. Despite being really popular and talented and well liked in all the universe manuals. You can't really see her without shin-its almost like her character was created because of the relationship her VA shares with Shins in real life
She got enough as a side character. This is a shounen and even with 24 episodes its still tight telling a war story with 3 main characters. Friggin Athrun had more development than Shin at the end. It was confusing watch the main character switch as he pulled an Anakin.
@@summer7603 LOL the way the fighting was Athrun absolutely mauled. Not even close to what Anakin was fighting like. Not to mention he didn't get to face Kira in space.
I honestly hated Rey after Shin "killed" Kira and his tone with Athrun but i will say this....he was a true friend to Shin and his death was sad but he had a family in the end
I never hated Rey. His death was 2. greatest injustice in Gundam franchise (Shinns disgrace was the 1.). Rey was just like everyone else at Messiah, doing what he thought was right. He should've lived. They should've brought him back. I mean, he finnaly makes HIS own decision and then just dies without trying to live HIS life, for however long it lasts. Lousy writting🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮. 😭😭😭😭 Shinn shouldn't have added his best friend to his list of people he lost. He should've lived. Someone even made a fanart of what could've been with Compass if Rey were alive. It is beautiful. Go check it. 😭😭😭😭😭 He deserved better. He deserves to be brought back, as a living charachter, memory, spirit or a hallucination (but that 1. thing most preferably).
The writing. They should've got Morosawa replaced but I doubt Fukuda would agree to that. I like the idea of ZAFT focused story but, dammit they've wasted it.
He's definitely strong - we saw him take out Sai pretty easily. I think most people just ended up voting thinking that Kira would go easy on them like he did on Shinn and not go for the kill etc. I was expecting the vote to be split a lot more too
@@GundamHQYeah but looking at a properly trained military personal (elite level), none of them match up to Kira in terms of MS piloting. However Athrun, Andrew, and even I bet Decosta, would have and have no issues taking Kira on hand to hand.
Do you guys remember when Kira in the first few episodes threw a big guy? And I was just shocked coz I didn't know about Coordinators that time and that they're built different
Avoiding chicks with a hair color even remotely close to Pink, Red or anything inbetween is paramount to avoiding drama *AND* death in the SEED universe.
And apparently she was after him as well? That would've been a total mess- shin may have not been the alpha of the Minerva pliots that he sorta fell into for being such an ace during his Minerva missions. Funny how now, everyone loves shin for the massive redemption Ark he got in GSF Great job translating and explaining this manual BTW- I believe there was one more "pre movie manual"
That was the joke of why I put the clip there haha - but in actuality at THAT time it was largely a safe place to be stationed unlike back in SEED. Could not pay me enough to go there during that show
I gotta admit, my favorite SEED character is Athrun, but somehow I can relate to Shinn. He's got good character development in the story despite being childish and rash in Seed Destiny.
Athrun really grows up as a character all they way into Freedom you can see how he is changed and I really enjoyed his character growth, Shin in Freedom is like Athrun in Destiny
@@KingfAce-qb9xk you can consider it berserk but it's more so of determined resolution when you see from a different pov. Basically maximum focus and determination single minded only on a single thing. But berserker can be considered as well because its the easiest way to achieve Seed mode. After all, say your family is being beat up and killed by this guy, out of desperation and determination, you rush to stop him, thus achieving Seed mode To activate via other objectives are way harder, hence Kira in Seed Destiny can easily activate, because he was very resolute in his ideals to stop war But he didn't Seed mode much in Seed Freedom because he was hesitating throughout
People thinking they can beat Kira in a fight on the assumption he won't fight back.... Did they all just forget what he did to Sai in Season 1? Or even forget what he is? lol
That's true too lol - that was definitely peak murder Kira though you have to remember - Flay was manipulating our poor boy into gunning people down left and right. Further and further down the line we see that change. I think Kira would definitely fight back - I just think he might take it a little bit easier on us than Athrun and Shinn
@@GundamHQ True. Kira would probably let us off easy but only after giving us a reminder of how strong he is. That being said, I don't think he's beating Athrun in a fist fight after seeing... some trailers lol. And Shinn, all I can say is... poor guy. Lol
Kira is good but remember that he have less experience than Athrun in both MS driving skill and combat Remember, you are a ultimate coordinator but your best friend can punch the s*** out of you to teach you a lesson
Yeaaaaaah, in a hilarious, cold, savage, not so moral crushing way. He so should've lived. Rest in power, Rey Za Burrel. The White Legend. 🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡 If he is still watching Shinn from somewhere beyond this mear mortal existence, then he must be 🥹 for his friend right about now
So, Flay if she's a Coordinator but way more bitter and a mobile suit pilot? Reminds me of the original of Flay being the Rouge's pilot although for EA's propaganda purposes. Tbh I don't think character writing is Gundam SEED's strongest department but kinda wish it was. This is just my opinion on the series btw and SEED is my first Gundam. It is seems that Gundam couldn't shake that one annoying female character off just like in most shonen anime media (I think Gundam covers both shonen and seinen but mecha seems to lean on shonen most of the time). It's as if as the writers deliberately does that, and the trope seems to trigger those who live in Atlantic Federation aka the West. I guess there's not enough Quesses to piss people off lol.
Well from a writing standpoint I'm pretty sure that is the goal for Agnes. She's a hate-able semi antagonist that we get to root for Shinn to overcome. She's definitely insufferable - but it directly contributes to Shinns character arc.
Okay having seen the movie, um, unless I missed something this so-called "Leonard" guy... Never saw or heard of him. Like a dead plot thread. Hopefully I missed something. Btw badass vid! Been a hardcore Gundam fan since wing and SEED is one of my favs! Keep up the good work
For the longest time it was sitting at 0% votes - either some people are crazy or I think they just wanted to throw the poll - because I refuse the idea that a sane individual would willingly confront Athrun
Wait! I just saw Freedom last night. Am I missing something ??? Who tf was Leonard Valway? Agnes didn’t have a bf in the movie and was trying to get with Kira.
Leonard isn't on screen much - they gloss over it. But if you remember there was a scene of one of Foundation members cutting down the Strike Freedom when we first meet them. Leonard stole it and they put a stop to him, ultimately putting them in the good graces of Compass.
Spoilers Didn't Agnes Giebenrath betray Compass in the movie Gundam Seed Freedom for the Kingdom of Foundation (I saw few leaks but not the details)? I know that Kira and Lacus do end up together this movie creating kinda a Hibiki royal family that rules over both Earth and Plants. Ps. I still think that Flay Allster fans will say that she is the best girl in Gundam Seed franchise.
Kind of funny that in the original drama CD it stated that Shinn had surpass Rey and Luna in a exam when they had to redo it. I mean Shinn is a red coat so this story might just be when they started out like first year cadets and maybe after first year Agnes went to another class while Shinn, Luna and Rey were still in the same class together.
Agnes and Leonard is the one behind the traitor. Because what I know is both got involved in a Freedom robbery case and they got a dark relationship with Foundation. And what I know is the foundation has a member of Kira's clone and for sure their goals is surpassing Natural and Coordinator and also following Destiny Plan. So that's why I hate this girl since the movie explained.
Shiho only survived G.SEED because Nami Tamaki refused to voice her during the Animes original run, because she fears that she'll get the Miguel Treatment
Wait, im confused. What's this claim on all the forums I read about a stolen Strike Freedom? If any at all? If someone doesn't mind explaining, i'd appreciate it. I keep reading around that supposedly Foundation got their hands on the Strike Freedom and damaged it in some way?
In the movie, there is a throwaway scene (3 seconds max) of the Strike Freedom getting destroyed by one of the Black Knights mobile suits (I can't remember which). Also, Shura (Commander of the Black Knights) recognizes Agnes' name in the movie when they first meet. It is explained in the side-novels that Agnes' boyfriend stole the original Strike Freedom and went ballistic, and the Black Knights (probably Shura) killed him for doing so. I believe this is why we get a Strike Freedom Spec II, since the original Strike Freedom didn't get damaged, and why Shura recognizes Agnes since she pulled the strings in order to get her boyfriend to pilot the Strike Freedom.
Spoilers Immortal Justice and Rising Freedom are destroyed for Kira, Athrun and Shin to continue they need mobile suits Cagali and Athrun actually hidden the Strike Freedom, Infinite Justice and Destiny and had them put away and the original crew who worked on Strike Freedom and original Strike upgraded them (so technically they were stolen but also not stolen?) Typo by @calvinfermin6598 it was Rising Freedom being destroyed not the Strike Freedom (Strike Freedom was simply retired for a new model) AFAIK Rising Freedom and Immortal Justice aren't nuclear like Strike Freedom and Infinite Justice
I still haven't seen it but --- From what I've heard he steals the Strike Freedom which is why its replaced early on? Something like that is apparently mentioned.
just watched it- slight spoilers but it's just speculation on my part I think Leonard was either just a saboteur and spy for Foundation (and the info he got may have helped the Knights hack Kira's brain when he's in the Freedom Rising). OR he is Shura undercover because Shura also does a bit of spying/hacking/sabotage shit. Also Agnes seemed to *really* comfortably fall into Shura's arms immediately after she got rejected by Kira
Funny how the original Japanese actress is the same voice actress for every girl of this character in Gundam Seed. She is great though as she definitely makes distinctive voices for each one, I could not tell she is Flay, Natarle and Stella
Before watching SEED FREEDOM, I thought she was a Quess which doesnt contribute anything to story After watching SEED Freedom, honestly Agnes actually written better than Quess, she was really a lost cause. But as a character she serves her purpose making Lunamaria said she really loves Shinn At least to us, the fan for 20 years. That is really a big win. Agnes word to Luna "I'm not like you, that settles with someone without trying... I will find good man" (not word by word but similar to that) and "That monkey? You seriously love that monkey boy?!" Is the voice of question why Luna ended up with Shinn from story point of view It's cringy but we like it lol
Shin has always suffered from a lack of focus on what matters most. All of his trauma leaves him very raw to his natural faults. It is why Athurn was never quite able to connect to Shin because Athurn was always a lot better at dealing with his own emotions, but Athurn always suffered because he was always indecisive outside of combat. So, Shin saw Athurn as someone to look up to but not someone who he could trust or guide him which Shin really needed given how lost he was.
lol the animation is so bad. I was first introduced to the gundam seed series through SRW-V and it was there that I decided that the animation for these characters was so jank I HAD to see the series itself and I was right... it sucks.
Great that we got a Flay sequel, definitely not the character who’s death I enjoyed more than any other in the franchise (yes, even more than Iok Kujan)
