What Happened to Doctor Who? - Part 2 

And Moffat's, frankly.

BWMagus personally I absolutely loved Moffat’s take on DW

@@ozerune I loved Moffat's ideas. I hated his execution. He would contradict lore he himself invented just a year or two prior. He would give us epic-sounding shit like "On the fields of Trenzalore, where no living thing can lie or fail to answer, the question will be asked" and then have the Doctor fail to answer...for centuries. Oooh, Angels turn to stone and then can't move...except they can. The man works best when he's not the boss and there's someone over him to guide his work.

BWMagus wait how are the angels a contradiction?

@@ozerune They move lightning fast then turn to stone when seen...yet when Amy trips while blind, they very slowly turn towards her while still made of stone (complete with a sound the foley guy got probably by dragging a cement block across pavement). Furthermore, they do freeze up even when seen by each other, which was the entire climax of Blink, but there's that entire crowd of angels around Amy, clearly within sight of each other, moving just fine (honestly happens several times in the episodes). Also, why did they just suddenly appear around her...and then stop? Nothing else was there to look at them and make the freeze; even though they were fleeing, and the Doctor tells us they were fleeing, they all chose to stop right next to Amy and just chill because dramatic tension. They also are "creatures of the abstract who feed off of potential energy"...and spaceship fuel, apparently, begging the question why they need to eat people when there are much easier to access energy sources. The Doctor calls them the lonely assassins, but apparently thousands of them can work cooperatively to wipe out the Aplans, the race inhabiting an entire planet...and also lease a big building in New York. It was sort of off when one Angel kills Bob to "strip his cerebral cortex and reanimate a version of his consciousness", which also can operate a radio and speak, somehow, but at least that was done for a purpose (albeit a weak one); but why are the other ones doing it? The one that gets Father what's his name in a headlock, for example--why didn't he just zap that guy into the past, gaining energy in the process, instead of putting him into a very convenient-for-writing-purposes headlock that allows for a long conversation? And why didn't it kill the Father the first time The Doctor blinked instead of waiting the Doctor to run all the way out of the area? And then he had an angel hundreds of feet tall walk across Manhattan without a single person, a single hobo on a street bench, looking at it and freezing it. Sure, yeah, it's not like New York is literally called the City That Never Sleeps. Then there were angel babies...even though that's not how angels procreate. Moffat basically just kept changing them every time he used them. They can do THIS. Now THIS. And THAT. They can alter the molecular structure of a metal trailer to be immune to heat just by having a recording of one played on a monitor! Imagine a Mary Sue/Gary Stu; the entire angel race is basically that.

Theyre LITERALLY "not even trying anymore", yes.

Chibnal legit admitted that he always had the 'Timeless Child' in Planning since the very beginning. Please notice that this means that he always wanted to intentionally ruin the Franchise; a Franchise that is in World Record Books for how big and influencal it is. Its Culture; and i dont see that in a Meme-way, but literally: Its Culture. The Female Doctors Actor also made Tweets that show that shes a BRAT that NEVER respected her Role or her Predeccesors. She said that. Most important thing to realize when you get this Role: You step into BIG foot-prints; be aware of this, be HUMBLE." She was so much not humble, its amazing. Listen: They have written themselves into a Corner so hard, that the literal ONLY Option is: Say it was all a Dream. "2 Seasons or more were literally just a Dream-Sequence; its all non-canon!! We sorry, were sorry, were sorry. Do you give us another chance?" BUT HERES THE THING: EVen if they say sorry, which i sure doubt they ever will - its not enough. See, the rational response to that would be "Ok, but thats not enough. This isnt just about 'Emotions'. Yeah, youre sorry, but point is: Youve showed your skill. And weve seen it. Weve seen your skill. So now, we dont want more from you. Get it?". This isnt just about emotions, so a Sorry wont do - because weve seen their skill and we dont want more episodes from them.

The timeless child is Chris Chibnall as he hates the entire continuity he wants to replace with... whatever floats into his curdled cerebrum. I don't think I have to explain the child part.

@@tranz2deep Yeah.

Nah, we can stop it with a screwdriver and bring the dead back.

Then if we can bring back the dead with a sonic screwdriver then let's sonic all the other dead characters from new who

I prefer to release more hounds

Hopefully it will kill 1/3 of the idiots driving this trainwreck.

Will there be a countdown?

The final scene of Doctor Who was the TARDIS kicking this woman out at the end of Twice Upon a Time. ...Part of me wonders if that was Moffat having a laugh at Chibnall because he somehow knew how much Who would suck under him.

Ye at this point after Peter Capaldi I consider it filler.

Just like the star wars sequel trilogy

DONT WORRY MORTY NOTHING OUT THERE WAS CANNON!

Yes!

Yes!!!! Let’s ... fuck Jody and chibs

depends on the writer, and if the listened to us

Let's just assume it's an alternate universe, considering that's fine for orphan 55 and let's go back to 12th's regeneration into a better written doctor in the real universe

There's a cannon left? Chibby doesn't believe in cannon. In fact, he purposely destroys it. He'd probably appreciate his "work of art" be destroyed too.

What are you talking about there is no season 11 or 12 they were deleted in my head as soon as they aired

Running through corridors silly villains...I mean it sounds like past chris is criticising himself

if only. It's not even that.

Recently he's recanted that statement, saying that he just sorta made up that comment on the spot because he didn't know what to say, or something like he was an idiot back then and his old ideas/opinions from that time in his life should be disregarded (except for his long held childhood fanfiction story about the timeless child - which he finally made come true, that's the only exception)...

zyme was this something he actually alluded too? I dont know which is more upsetting that he was holding on to this storyline forever or just came up with it last minute. Either way I don't get why these people won't except even constructive criticism.

The Chibnalls are going to get along worse than 2 and 3

Because Mr T. Davies knows how to make TV shows highly interesting even a kids show is watchable as an adult. Wizards Vs Aliens is one he did I'm pretty sure and whilst it was more whimsical and childish than even SJA it was an absolute banger of a CBBC show.

I just wish that they kept gallifrey. I mean if the daleks can comeback the timelords should be able to as well.

Not to mention, it makes THE MOST SENSE. The Master, who started warming up to the Doctor and aiding him/her in seeing the universe as beautiful and also an old friend would be the perfect set-up as to why he/she suddenly turned absolutely batshit. Master was already insane, but to then find out "these sons of bitches got their powers from me after torturing me??? only one thing left for them!" And letting the Doctor see the destruction and letting them live out of pure mutual respect but inevitably going to kill them because they also benefit from the Master's pain and suffering makes far more sense than the Doctor being the timeless child...

Agreed. The Master was not made crazy by a drum bear but by being alien bad seed from somewhere else. They left him knowing he would be insane and he was is . Yeah that almost saves all the older canon.

You know who the Timeless Child should have been? NOT THE DOCTOR

It's the awful "chosen one"-trope that first came about during Matt Smith's turn as the Doctor. Moffat seemed to have buried it during Capaldi's turn as the Doctor - so why did Chibnall bring it back . . . so stupid !

Micah Schmitz sadly though, their platoon of Judoon are not on the moon.

On June with a harpoon.

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Moho

How did the Judoon get in the tardis, i mean the daleks cannot get into it normally, minus at full time war power era.

I dont think ive ever even seen this new fam hug lol

Thereal Vlad right and it’s not even easy to try and connect with them

Criminal Chibnal legit admitted that he always had the 'Timeless Child' in Planning since the very beginning. Please notice that this means that he always wanted to intentionally ruin the Franchise; a Franchise that is in World Record Books for how big and influencal it is. The Female Doctors Actor also made Tweets that show that shes a BRAT that NEVER respected her Role or her Predeccesors. She said that. Think about this slowly and readily.

@@slevinchannel7589 And fail. Chimball is a hack.

Is nardole a popular character? i could never stand him

Jodie recently did an instagram post where she is clearly just in her own house dressed as the doctor, and she's just talking in character about how the world is kind of scary right now, but here's some helpful tips from the doctor! And I almost teared up watching it. She obvously cares about this character very much and is genuinely trying her best, I just think the writing behind her is incredibly lackluster, and her friendship with Chibnall is probably giving her rose-colored glasses. Her just spitballing felt more like The Doctor than anything I've seen in either season she's been in so far. It really isn't fair to her, she is a marvelous actress who has been given shit writing to work with.

blue3616 I couldn’t agree more!

@@blue3616 I had a similar reaction to what you described (Jodie is a better doctor without Chibnal) when I saw the actors who played the young female and male leads on Graham Norton. The Firce Awakens did not give either one of them a character, but on Graham Norton they seemed more like sci fi characters. He clowned with prop light saber and and she and he and Graham and the other guests joked around and it felt more like a StarWars movie than the whole TFA movie which felt like an overly long trailer for the real movie. Check the boxes of forced diversity writing puts character development in the rear or outside the process. Chibnal and other think up or more often steal cool looking scenes and then just throw them into a random collection of scenes quick cut with no narrative thread. We need a reason to care for the character or else we fail to react with emotion when that character is in danger or dies or fails or suffers loss or succeeds.

No doubt. I always know to separate the actor from the character. I know if a certain character isn't well executed it's mostly due to either the writers or director for not improving on the script or guiding the actor. I'm sure Jodie a wonderful woman and is capable of so much more, which is why it's disheartening to see her stuck with this version of a beloved character.

I watched Whitaker on broadchurch and she was by faaaar the weakest actor on that show. She might be a lovely person but she is not a good actress. Jo Martin completely outshone her in the 5 minutes she was the doctor. Don't get me wrong, the writing is crap and by far the biggest problem, but that doesn't make Whitaker a good actress.

Well that would be a great plot twist actually. I like that idea and would explain a lot from the chibnalls fuckery

the doctor struggles to remember anything after each regen anyway?

@@mikeyt3012 not to that extent.

I just go a step further and pretend she doesn't exist and that DW ended with Capaldi

@@madeleine5561 considering the writers, directors, cinematography, music and cg people were all changed at the same time, and then cannon and ongoing story arcs were all ignored. You could legitimately make the case that you are correct. The New Who era ended at 10, we are now in the era of Doctor Woke (pending a better name) so... "Classic who" : season 1-26 "New Who" : Series 1-10 "Doctor Woke" : Series 11+

Did you even watch the episode? It was someone getting married the next day

​@@matthewharrison6345 originally it was gonna be a child but the higher ups said that was too dark so they changed it to a woman the night before her wedding

@@alicebethell8069 That reminds me of how Jurassic Bark was supposed to be about Fry's mom but it was considered too depressing; which is really saying something

@@alicebethell8069 Gosh, and even then it still gut punches me. Even just hearing the clip immediately gave me the willies and feelies again. It’s funny, while a lot of emotional punches in the show, don’t get me wrong, while very sad or moving, don’t affect me too terribly much. But the SECOND I hear that “why am I cold?” line, immediately my throat tightens up. Such an amazing scene.

Curtis Davies nah how about Dentist What

@@DoctorCyt Orthopedist How

Orthodontist Why

Professor When

Officer Where

BBC need to sell the rights of the show. By the end of chibnalls run it's going to be nearing cancellation, so if they can sell the rights to Amazon or Netflix hopefully we can see a bigger budget, more well known actors and a decent group of people working on the show without some diversity threshold to shoehorn in

@@HarvesterYT No, Hollywood would make him even worse like they are doing to Thomas The Tank Engine right now. If Doctor Who The Movie was terrible, Torchwood Miracle Day and how they used Jack is a sign of what they would do. If anything, let Big Finish control everything Doctor Who, they have a handle on it. We would get a more cohesive Universe with more Classic characters showing up if they were in charge.

@@shauntempley9757 No, man. I'm not a fan of audio productions; I can't concentrate on radio plays. I think they ought to do books or graphic novels, or even a spinoff series for the TV, break the Hobson's Choice we have regards new Who shows on TV. I've advocated a spinoff continuing what happened to Sarah Jane Smith's kids, where they reunite after going through rough periods, form a 'quad' relationship and move into Sarah's old house, getting the furniture back and carrying on what she did. I didn't like how that so-called 'finale' ended, with everyody scattered across the world, never to reunite.

@@jamesholmes6506 Fair enough. Their are many ways the tv show can continue all the threads you want to see. Big Finish is not for all, agreed. It is an acquired taste.

@@shauntempley9757 I mean, I don't like radio dramas and stuff. For the record, I normally put The Archers on BBC Radio 4 on in the car when there's nothing else on. The radio's best at playing music. Regards what I want, it's a spinoff where Sarah's kids have gone through bad periods (dumped by an abusive civil partner, dumped by a corporation that seems inhuman, movies getting cancelled due to investors dropping out (making fun of Marvel and DC bleeding movies like there's no tomorrow)), reunite and decide to follow Sarah's legacy, like I said previously. That concept is to break the Hobson's Choice we have regards Who on TV (either 13 who is now literally The Messiah, or nothing at all).

What a freaking tragedy , fck chibnall😠

The original creator of the show suggested the doctor regenerate into a woman at some point (as well as Tom Baker and numerous others). The gender of the actor isn’t what is hurting the show. In fact it makes no difference to the story at all. It’s the writing that’s bad.

@@Fitzroyfallz And I don't disagree with you. The writing has been sub-par on both of Jodi's series, and declining for a few series prior, I think. Making the gender change as well as well as such a complete change in the directing/writing team, and direction for the show has combined into, well, a big boring mess. And personally, I cannot connect to Jodi's interpretation of the character. Whether that's solely the fault of the writing, or how she plays the part, or more likely, a combination of both I am not sure. But the reason we all left is, from what most of my family said when I asked, is that it's just not fun to watch any more, and doesn't 'feel' like Doctor Who. Which is quite an achievement considering the amount of change the show has gone through previously and somehow maintained the Doctor Who feel to them.

It's actually incredibly cruel to tell a person that something is not for them anymore. It's a classic "what do YOU know about the modern world, grandpa". What a nice way to treat a loyal fan.

The show is for feminists and sjw’s who are woke

Long periods, but not forever, unless I’m missing something?

I'd like to think that in the first episode of the next series Capaldi wakes up, opens his eyes and says, "it was all a dream". And there fore not cannon.

@@galinor7 Wakey wakey!

Caramel_soul funny story. That reminds me of a Time where I lost a friend who was about 3 years older than me. We were arguing and he said "chowder is for 6 years old" and I said "I'm 7" I'm 18 now

The Sixth, Fouth, Seventh Doctor: I'am a joke to you?

@@mayotango1317 Chibnal legit admitted that he always had the 'Timeless Child' in Planning since the very beginning. Please notice that this means that he always wanted to intentionally ruin the Franchise; a Franchise that is in World Record Books for how big and influencal it is. The Female Doctors Actor also made Tweets that show that shes a BRAT that NEVER respected her Role or her Predeccesors. She said that. Think about this slowly and readily.

shite

series 10 is the best of capaldis era imo,, but obviously heaven sent is incredible

Smith who?

Because he learn the true of the Timeless Child.

I think the explanation was that he found out the doctor was the timeless child, which apparently hurt him because he was now related to what he hated; even though missy explicitly said they were childhood friends, so they always had some relation to one another

That's how he was before Missy, really the problem with Chibs is that he is RTD without the benefit of nostalgia goggles. It's almost as if Chibs is trying to ignore the Moffat Era and be an alternative season 5.

Different incarnations of Time Lords have different personalities. This incarnation of the Master seems to be particularly petulant and rage-filled. The Doctor being the Timeless Child is upsetting for him but I don't think it would be *this* upsetting if he weren't already a particularly stable incarnation.

they did explain why hes crazy the drumming in the tenth doc.

Why did they stop watching in the capaldi era? That was amazing.

Sith Cultist I believe it was a combination of not good stories and just tired of the franchise, but they have said they did love Capaldi

I stopped watching because I found less and less episodes to be interesting. It was during Capaldi's second season. I thought the previous finale was good but then the relevance of most of what was going on was just not there. First I felt like the episodes weren't at all worried about the action going on but only about the lil' 5 second morale they were gonna say at the end. Having a morale is good tho, but if you can't smoothly integrate it to the events, I end up not caring for these events. Also Clara's storyline was so pointless at that point I wanted her to leave.

I and many of my friends used to watch but now none of them do. The current show just doesn't relate to them anymore.

Scott Booth i fucking loved eleven and the ponds and clara was so terrible i hardly got through season 7 despite my love for eleven. but when capaldi came in it was too much a new doctor and a companion i hated there was nothing keeping me watching

You should watch TIME AND THE RANI to get a better perspective on what "Bad Who" really is.

TheBermudaMan I have seen Time and the Rani, and while it is pretty terrible. At least it's fun to watch because of how shit it is. None of the bad episodes in this series are fun at all.

The people who love this series and series 11 are the ones who skipped Capaldi because he was too old, only watched Day of the Doctor for Matt Smith's tennue cos it had Tennant in it, never watched series 1 or classic who, and seemingly only remember David Tennant as a heart throb lover of Rose.

LuggyBro that’s such ballshit, so your saying that someone can’t you enjoy Jodie’s era if they also like Tom or peters era

I think its OK.

That’s true, it completely destroys the logic behind The Timeless Child. I should’ve put that in the video 😅

jfc this is barely english.

Quit trying to make sense of it you'll just give yourself a headache. It's easier if one accepts that Chibs the idiot's writing makes no sense and this stopped being doctor who at the end of Twice Upon a Time. I prefer to call this sh**show imposter who.

Yup. Moffat shit the bed when he decided that fucking in a TARDIS can just create fully-fledged Time Lords, even when done by totally different species. And Chibnall couldn't even keep up with what happened in episodes he was literally around as a writer for.

There's a ton of plot holes created by the timeless child. Mainly because of the whole "She is the source of regeneration" thing. As a few examples, if she has infinite regeneration: Why did Rassilon give the Doctor another bunch of regenerations? Why will the doctor one day become the Valeyard and try to steal the 6th Doctor's remaining regenerations so he has some again? Why doesn't the Doctor use her power to sacrifice regeneration energy to heal people again, if she doesn't have to worry about running out? Why doesn't the Doctor use her power to sacrifice regeneration energy as a spaceship destroying superweapon again, if, again, she can't run out? And in future: every time the Doctor isn't willing to just throw lives away to save people, She's just... Selfish, I guess?

Trust me you're not, the reveal just has several dozen built in plot-holes (and thats just counting the last 15 years of this nearly 60 year old show).

Exposure to the Time Vortex is one way to develop the ability to regenerate, and that's how River developed it. Gallifreyans initially got the ability from the Timeless Child which helped jumpstart their civilisation (having immortal scientists kinda helps advance your technology :)), but once they developed time travel presumably they also gained access to regeneration that way too. The Timeless Child was found near 'The Guardian', a mysterious portal. I'm speculating but it would make sense if the Guardian is similar enough to the Time Vortex that the Timeless Children first developed the ability to regenerate through prolonged exposure to it.

@@irrevenant8724 Actually River being exposed was the start of how she developed it, we're never told what but in a good man goes to war we're told that "You can't just cook up a Timelord" (11 Quote) and that the Silence did a bunch of stuff afterwards to get her DNA to Timelord-esque.

@@kanashimi4356 Good point. There was probably a bit more involved than just exposure to the time vortex but that seems to have been the key ingredient.

@@irrevenant8724 It's all just very wibbly wobbly, timey wimey!!

3 companions is overkill anyway esp when they don't know each other to begin with. It worked with Amy and Rory because they were married.

I'm pretty sure Bradley Walsh and the lad who played Ryan have left so those who still watch will be left with Yaz poor souls lol

just make graham's cancer come back and then ryan leaves with him to look after him in chemo. not hard to write them out tbh. gives room for yaz to develop and then maybe they can visit ryan and graham (or kill graham and allude to his death) when the series is over and done with.

Three companions is a reasonable amount *if* the writing is up to it. Plenty of shows manage to flesh out four or more main characters. Stargate: SG-1 and Sliders both had four main characters who hopped to a different setting each episode, and we had a much better feel for those characters by a dozen episodes in.

Gorillaz :)

Ahh... the nostalgia...

He can finally join the group of people who have elite taste in music. With people like me.

CapaciTF2 I’m a musician and as a musician Im constantly listening to tons of music from all over the world. The music in Chibnall’s doctor who is boring and irredeemable in terms of adding anything to the show. Every culture in the world has amazing music that could have added character, warmth, power, beauty, mystery - whatever you want. Chibnall didn’t have to go with a Western composer if he didn’t want to- he could have gone for any music in the entire world and he chose what I would describe as a vibrating wall of noise. Where’s to spirit? Where’s the musicality? Where’s the rhythm? Where is that spark and creativity that differentiates noise from music? Gotta say, I don’t hear it and it makes me sad that out of an entire world of beautiful music and creative musicians from every musical background, the show runner of Doctor Who would choose such limited ‘music’. It’s disappointing.

WRATS WRATS WE ARE THE WRATS CELEBRATING ANOTHER BIRTHDAY BASH (chibnall) IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY TODAY CAKE AND ICECREAM IS ON IT'S WAY AND (chibnall) HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD BOY THIS YEAR OPEN UP YOUR GIFTS WHILE WE ALL CHEER

Probably will have to wait till Chibnall leaves.

@@moistmalone2181 at least he's gone after series 13. Or if he does a holiday special. But i'm worried that BBC is going to cancel the show after this because of it. And I personally don't know who could be the new showrunner, but I don't know that much about writers and stuff.

@@beecrimes Well the BBC might not be around long soon anyway or at least in their current form, due to the licence fee debate.

Big Finish is our only source of new Dr. Who now.

Chibnal legit admitted that he always had the 'Timeless Child' in Planning since the very beginning. Please notice that this means that he always wanted to intentionally ruin the Franchise; a Franchise that is in World Record Books for how big and influencal it is. The Female Doctors Actor also made Tweets that show that shes a BRAT that NEVER respected her Role or her Predeccesors. She said that. Think about this slowly and readily.

Hilo Takenaka yeah exploring those storylines would require research and god forbid actual work and creativity. Most of the writers in my age group went to same school of lazy asspulls. Mystery box type crap with no logical backstory in universe and no way to reconcile a makes sense resolution or ending. Continuity is to bothersome for these types.

That's just listing ways they could go back to old seasons. That doesn't mean the season would be good, just different

I think he was just pointing out how rich a setting the previous series have built up and what they could draw from if they bothered to put in the effort.

You have great ideas, all based on the 57-year history of this franchise. Problem is, the current scribes aren't really conversant with pre-Jodie DW and could care less. By right Chibs should have hired someone like you, a true fan, to be his creative consultant, but of course he didn't. In fact, I'd bet that all of us on this board, who love what the show used to be, could come up with better storylines than what we've been seeing lately.

The Thal are extint in the post time War era.

And also: Every Fan hated the "The Master become female" idea in the First Place. Poor Michelle had to earn it, that was the saddest Thing of all

Series 8 Ratings anyone? XD

HA HA HA HA! FUNNY!!!!

you missed out the quotation marks. it's "special"

To each their own, loved series 12 and have been following Who since the 80's. Thought Chibs stuck the landing with the finale. Seems as if many Who fans forgot one the greatest things about the show: Change

@@w00master Most have. But for many, and especially myself, change can be shocking, but then you learn to eventually love it. 11 felt shockingly silly in immediate contrast to the heartcrushing regeneration before him, but them he became my absolute favorite Doctor. 12 felt shockingly -old- different as well, and was especially hard for me after 11, but then he eventually became an absolutely fantastic Doctor. The thing about 13 was, ironically, I was looking forward to it, so the shock only hit after the premiere when it didn't quite live up to what I had imagined. And then what followed didn't instill love for the story, but instead a growing feeling that maybe it should have stopped. That's not "just accept change!", that's something a little bit deeper in the show that has strayed. Possibly a tangent, but the franchise I grew up with was Stargate. SG1 and SGA had a identifiable "campyness" to it, and fans got used to it for it's 13 year run. Then SGU changed everything, in complete contrast to the tone, focus, and cast scope of its predecessors, similar to Chibnall. The only difference is, SGU built upon what was set before it and grew it in natural ways, with gratifying cameos (such as "Oh, they're now xxx now, that makes sense and is rewarding to see" type stuff. Umm... to put elegantly 😅) and drawing from surprisingly minute details from throughout the show, while also operating as a jumping point for an entirely new audience who hasn't watched the franchise before. It stands as how to instill change while honoring and evolving what can before, in contrast to how Chibnall's undermined and retconned what came before (to put basically. Video essays of course explain this entirely better)

The rules of regeneration are very clear. They regenerate into whatever the plot calls for.

Yeah. That left me pissed. I thought I couldn't get more furious after Spyfall but then the timeless child came...

I think Chibnall hated the Moffat Era and is trying to remake the RTD era. His master is basically a redux of the Sims Master.

Riccardo Calosso omg no now i can’t unsee it

lol South Park chinballs

Dont forget, humanity has gone from creating powerful and giant empires that span the universe, to destroying earth, becoming predator monsters, and being made virtually extinct after a cyberman invasion.

@@alexturlais8558 And did that make sense to you? Could you follow the ''story' Chibs made? Ha hah ha and deadly serious.

Wouldn't TimeLord slave soldiers be better than CyberLords? No metal to fuck up, just permanently regenerating soldiers, like that DS9 episode

@@JoshuaKevinPerry Exactly If timelords can regenerate endlessly, then Cyber armour is pointless to have. On the other hand, the Master is mad. And after the Master has won and laid waste to Galifrey and killed all the other time lords (but how? Maybe with explosive poops as one commenter suggested), then there is no reason at all to invite the Cybermen to be allies. Cybermen never could use dead organic material before this and Cybermen never wanted to destroy all organic life, but now in the Chibnsl era cybermen do which is odd rather than amusing or interesting. And the death particle makes less sense than when my 5 and a half year old great nephew made up a story (in which the Master did not appear, but a bad bad nean guy did appear) and I got killed with ketchup and made alive with mustard and I did this in our story about 3 times and no I was not like a jesus or a god figure, just a space ship driver and truck fixer but not as good at it as he was and my ship was as fast as his ship. As the timeless childwas teased, I thought we might get something like the idea on StarTrek that many humanoids can be host for the Trill, but this is kept secret on the home planet where the Trill and the humanoids that are their host live, and a rigorous selection process screens for the few compatible ones among the humanoid that can be hosts, in a process like early astronaut selection. However, this turns out to be a a lie and not intended to reduce the failed bondings that could kill host and Trill, because we are told, that it would ferment political unrest and competition and strife were the humanoid population to know that most any humanoid can bond with most any host and hosts being relatively rare, this would make hosts sought after by the rich among other bad effects on society on this world.

@@alexturlais8558 The CyberWars is canon in the classic Series.

And that's why people felt very bad for Capaldi because they knew his previous works and hated how the show treat him.

I second this disagreement. Jodie has said that she wasn't a fan of the show, and she found watching previous Doctor Who episodes to be "unhelpful" so she didn't bother, happily saying so on the Graham Norton Show. Previous actors employed to play the Doctor have been fans of the show. Not only that, but if I was hiring an actor to for the lead role in say, a Shakespeare production, I would ask, "have you looked up some other Shakespeare works in preparation for the part?" and I would have expected them to have done their homework. Jodie almost zero research before landing on set, and it's no wonder her incarnation is the least "Doctor-like" of the lot, because she doesn't know the spirit of the show. Her work lacks passion, and it stems from her pride in her ignorance.

I disagree with you. Jodie's actual personality isn't far from what I feel Chibnal and the other writers are attempting to do with the character of the Doctor. Somehow they've managed to strip her of any personality and the direction seems to be just as at fault as the writing. These actors are good, and a good actor is flexible.

I think it is a lot in the missing details. Firstly, maybe it is just me, but Jodie Whittaker has this high pitch, breathy voice, it has no weight, and the accent doesn't help, so when she tries to intimidate, it feels weak. A counter example would be Alex Kingston as River Song, when she gets angry and losing her shit, you can really feel that gravita, that rasp coming through her voice. Secondly, I am not a fan of her outfit, it is too.....friendly, which would be no problem for someone like Petar Capaldi as his face alone is intense enough, but Jodie Whittaker already looks too harmless, plus that outfit she could at best shush kids in primary school. She also often hunch her shoulder and not facing directly towards an enemy during a confrontation, maybe that works for some people but for me it is like she wants to run away.

I've heard there was an interview between her and David Tennant, Tennant asked if she looked at any past performances and old episodes to get a feel for the character and she just said no. The way he she stated it sounded like she was implying that the previous actors all got the role wrong and she was here to play it right. Don't know if there is any truth to that but I would like to add that Eccleston and Matt Smith, 2 people who showed no interest in Doctor Who before picking up the role both did their research on the character. Hell Matt Smith enjoyed watching the 2nd Doctor so much that he is the reason the 11th Doctor also wears a bowtie.

ICrazySkills this could easily be fixed if they had some fucking subtlety and didn’t act like their audience is dumb

the Nazi episode pissed me right off. One, got a non-white guy to play a Nazi, real fucking classy. two, the Doctor saying "it's a new low even for him" and "the Nazi's are the worst" fuck off. The Doctor knows the Daleks AND the Cybermen AND the Sontarans AND THE SLITHEEN to name a few main villains who have committed UNIVERSAL ATROCITIES (cough, badwolf station being a human farm for Daleks) and she fucking has the Audacity the Nazi's are up there on that list. Fuck right off, the Nazi's are bad but they are stuck on Earth and also weren't all evil as they had to Obey their leader or die too. I mean ffs, the Daleks were written based on the Nazi's themselves but on a universal scale it's embarassing.

@@frogradar I mean, Daleks were literally designed to be space fascists, so while the comparison in terms of universal scale is a bit dumb, it doesn't seem out of character for the Doctor. But the Master playing a Nazi, reality filter or not, was really uncomfortable for me to watch.

I honestly disagree. In the scale of doctor who and the universe, the Nazis are the tamest "villain" the doctor has came across.

@@frogradar Since when were they the villains of anything ever?

This Master is before Missy. Until stated otherwise, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. At least as far as the timeless child thing is concerned I hope they explain the rules of this in the next season. The doctor could still die if someone/something killed them before they could regenerate. Does that still stand? Does this mean the doctor just has infinite do overs unless someone double-taps?

@@MstEli There's no reason why this Master can't be after Missy.

@@Trev359 it's Doctor Who, so anything is possible. With that said, there's no reason why this Master can't be before Missy. Makes more sense (to me).

@@Trev359 the reason is that it would be shit to completely throw out all of Missy's character development.

Would give a reason why the master keeps coming back, not a good reason, but a reason

Still really shits on the last few seasons of the Master's character shift.

BWMagus it does a little, but the Master has had a couple of character shifts now. I like to think that we haven’t seen the Master in the correct order, so perhaps the current one comes before John Simm. I’m more concerned with re-railing the Doctor now.

@@LongStripeyScarf That's not possible. He died in the movie and was resurrected during the war, but, as a coward, he quickly fled to the end of the universe and took a human form, where we first meet him as Professor Yana. So he'd have to squeeze in somewhere else. Which I guess is possible. But he doesn't really seem like the classic Master either, although that could just be because the actor isn't playing him well.

But Demons of Punjab? It's so much better than ost of the last Seasons before...

She is the worst. Capaldi had bad scripts matt smith had bad scripts they still managed to BE the doctor. She's just a bad broken ass 3rd hand replica

I think she's not a good actor. Her line delivery is awful

@@shabadabba I totally disagree, she's been great in other things - she has terrible scripts and very poor direction for every episode of doctor who

@@shabadabba We can agree to disagree on this point. One of my favorite actors in my opinion should have been as big as Tom Cruise but he wasn't. I do not understand how Tom Cruise keeps getting offers to make more movies, so my tastes are different from some or even most.

Probably a good actor, not a good Doctor

retcon? In Dr. Who??? That woubl be new!

Chibnal legit admitted that he always had the 'Timeless Child' in Planning since the very beginning. Please notice that this means that he always wanted to intentionally ruin the Franchise; a Franchise that is in World Record Books for how big and influencal it is. Think about this slowly and readily.

I found part 1 today too lol

My thoughts on the whole series is that series 1-5 were the best, a few bad episodes but they were all entertaining. 6-10 were alright, they weren't nessisarily bad but weren't that great with a few good episodes here and there. Series 11 and 12 are just a dumpster fire.

I started watching as a kid too I think I must've been around 10 (in my 20's now). I started with tenant I'd just watch it randomly when it came on the bbc and then I became obsessed and went back to watch eccleston too. I loved Tennant but grew to enjoy Matt Smith too. Unfortunatley towards the end of his run it started to go downhill and I really disliked Clara. I vowed to stay loyal up until his regeneration where I'll just sadly give up on the show. His regeneration was so lackluster too :/ I forgot about DW for a while until I found commentary on old random episodes of the show and then I remembered how much this show meant to me and how amazing it was in its prime. Looking at it now I'm just sad. But at least it had an amazing run for a good while and those episodes are always there for us to enjoy again.

Season 7 ended with Name, Day and Time of the Doctor. Not exactly downhill.

To be fair, Peter Capaldi was both cruel and cowardly for a good chunk of Season 8.

Chibnal legit admitted that he always had the 'Timeless Child' in Planning since the very beginning. Please notice that this means that he always wanted to intentionally ruin the Franchise; a Franchise that is in World Record Books for how big and influencal it is. The Female Doctors Actor also made Tweets that show that shes a BRAT that NEVER respected her Role or her Predeccesors. She said that. Think about this slowly.

Moffat was more creative than Davies. He wasn't as consistent but he had creativity coming out the wazoo.

By that you mean he pretty much threw character development out the window (and character development is important!).

@@zyme5998 The problem is that SJW writers think a lesbian character is inherently interesting or a black female is inherently interesting and so on. Well, check the boxes of forced diversity writing is not working for you Chibnal. The show makes sense in an odd way only if you realize that the show is based on the pretty bits ripped off of other movies and shows and video games. The scenes are like the pile of pretty bits on the floor after the step sisters rip the pretty bits off of Cinderella's dress. The seemingly randomly ordered scenes quick cut together do not add up to an episode just as the pretty bits on the floor do not amount to a whole dress and there is no narrative thread linking this. We get shiny and running and lots of bad camera angles that shoot up into people's nostrils. Even Saturday morning tv for children of previous decades filmed on small sets and with low budgets could avoid shooting up people's nostrils and allowed character development. And Bill was a person we knew before Bill talks about liking a girl who saw something odd and showed it to Bill. The Chibnal companions have had nearly zero character development. Praising the remaining companion is not a substitute for character development.

Graham looks so checked out on this episode.

I think he was extremely annoying and over the top, but other than that, I agree.

The Master become mad by the revelation of the Timeless Child.

I think it's much better to pretend that the series ends with the 12th doctor mid-regeneration

Shah Stormaggedon I 12 died saving the humans on that space ship and is being carried by cyber bill

John Simm coming back doesn’t make sense for that then.

They acknowledge 6 and 8, they're going to acknowledge 13 in the second revival series