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What Happened to East St. Louis? 

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@jacktribble5253
@jacktribble5253 2 года назад
As a teenager in the 1970s, I remember "East St. Louis" as a euphemism for "Mismanaged, run down, crime ridden hell hole."
@Sandshark17
@Sandshark17 2 года назад
I live 20 minutes away from it, not much has changed in 50 years... Unless boarded up windows and broken flower pots are your thing...
@painkillerjones6232
@painkillerjones6232 2 года назад
Still is, for the most part.
@sujoudza14
@sujoudza14 2 года назад
It’s funny that it got that reputation. Really the crime isn’t nearly as bad there as it is on the south side of St. Louis. I grew up in the 90s tho, maybe times were different
@jacktribble5253
@jacktribble5253 2 года назад
@@sujoudza14 You could say that.
@stephenbrand5661
@stephenbrand5661 Год назад
@Sujoud Ali The north side of St. Louis is the part with all the crime, NOT the south side!!! Are you really even from that area?
@donovandey1196
@donovandey1196 2 года назад
You're not ready for the REAL answer to that question...
@johnnyboy55
@johnnyboy55 2 года назад
Lol. It’s pretty obvious isn’t it?
@donovandey1196
@donovandey1196 2 года назад
@@johnnyboy55 oh hell yes! All you gotta do is drive through there. But it's 2022, people cry when you tell them the truth.
@johnnyboy55
@johnnyboy55 2 года назад
@@donovandey1196 Yep. I live in a good neighborhood but within walking distance of Camden NJ. Once you cross the highway it’s like going to a different country.
@iamcase1245
@iamcase1245 2 месяца назад
Aren't you "real men" the ones who always tell the truth? Where arre your balls? Say what you need to say.
@iamcase1245
@iamcase1245 2 месяца назад
@@johnnyboy55 So what about all the meth and pill-ridden shit wholes all over the US, including all over New England and even the midwest where "those people" dont even live?
@Tobtakular
@Tobtakular 2 года назад
My grandparents grew up in East St Louis. The way they talk about it being seems almost unimaginable now.
@charlesburke2379
@charlesburke2379 Год назад
The one benefit to living in rotting places like East St Louis, Gary Indiana and Camden, NJ is they would have to offer affordable rent. Provided of course the drive by shooters and toxic mold lets anybody live that far.
@abrielshell6319
@abrielshell6319 2 года назад
My grandmother and uncles still reside in East. St. Louis. Her house is one of the few good ones standing on her street. A lot of prostitutes and drug dealers roll through there often. I believe it can be rebuilt with the right politicians in charge and community leaders. They need to stop putting criminals in charge of the funding though. They steal a lot from the city.
@RTD3
@RTD3 Год назад
They need more Democrats.
@bufnyfan1
@bufnyfan1 Год назад
the story of East St. Louis' decline is identical to what happened to Camden, New Jersey (which sits opposite Philadelphia). The only industry of note there now is Campbells Soup Company while all other industries left, unemployment increased and the tax base collapsed
@teahmoore3601
@teahmoore3601 Год назад
No politicians is in the business of doing good for people
@GETole
@GETole Год назад
@@RTD3 LMAO.
@GETole
@GETole Год назад
@@teahmoore3601 The politicians didn't create the mess. It's over for East St. Louis. It's never coming back.
@pigvomit4730
@pigvomit4730 Год назад
"What happened to East St. Louis?" Well, should we start with demographics?
@ELMS
@ELMS 2 года назад
This is very interesting to me personally. I visited St. Louis as a tourist in the late 1980’s. When I asked what was across the river, absolutely everyone said “You DON’T want to go there!” I appreciate the background. Great videos.
@SuperSinestro
@SuperSinestro 2 года назад
You really don't. That's Illinois over there. You just go, get your weed and come right back.
@JohnSmith-gk8ts
@JohnSmith-gk8ts 2 года назад
If I could destroy all bridges that cross the Mississippi river and ban boats coming to Missouri I would. Let's just put it that way.
@AseAleisha
@AseAleisha 2 года назад
@@SuperSinestro lmaoo
@emptysuit
@emptysuit 2 года назад
Interesting comment - I visited Scott AFB at least a dozen times over my military career without actually driving to St Louis, Mo once. The comments from the base were always “You DON’T want to go there! I guess, sometimes perception is reality and other times perception is perception...
@mbatchelor
@mbatchelor 2 года назад
@@SuperSinestro not even that since virtually anyone in MO can get a medical card... And IDK if the topless places in Sauget ever reopened from Covid but that was the other reason people went to IL, or maybe to see a show at Pop's. Otherwise for MO folks, the East Side is like another planet LOL although there are some nicer towns like O'Fallon and Highland out further which aren't bad places, but just typical suburbia.
@ehawkins1971
@ehawkins1971 2 года назад
I've lived in the St. Louis area most of my life. East St. Louis was at one time the Model City of America. One of the issues that caused the downfall of ESTL was the same thing that eventually happened to Cahokia. As people moved out and property values decreased, out of towners bought the homes to rent. Mostly slum lords, renting out to Section 8. To a point that 99% of the homes in these towns were owned by non-residents that didn't care for the area and were looking to make a buck at the expense of the reputation of the towns. Now, am I saying there is anything wrong with Section 8 housing, no. But you will find that some people using it, don't care what they do to the homes and more from home to home destroying them as they move along. At some point it becomes not worth it to repair the homes for the Landlords. Especially when the property values are so low. Repair cost more than the home is worth.
@showmestatefinest5412
@showmestatefinest5412 2 года назад
This riots and redlining played a major role also
@ronlanter6906
@ronlanter6906 2 года назад
Belleville resident here. I agree with your statement 100%.
@rapidride2
@rapidride2 2 года назад
Cahokia's problem was even though it was an excellent location there never was any real money that came in. Sure some of the neighbors may have been slightly better off than some others but as far as businesses go nobody ever brought any real money into Cahokia. Then came HUD housing....
@ronaldstampley8285
@ronaldstampley8285 2 года назад
Politics, Misuse of funding NO JOBS
@selanryn5849
@selanryn5849 2 года назад
Houses require regular maintenance regardless of who lives in them, and absentee landlords tend to neglect such upkeep whether renting at or below market rate, because they "didn't care for the area and were looking to make a buck at the expense of the reputation of the towns" as you noted.
@edvaira6891
@edvaira6891 2 года назад
This city was in such drastic shape in 1979 that John Carpenter was able to shoot the Post-economic-collapse scenes of the “Prison community New York City” in ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK with almost NO SET DRESSING NEEDED!
@johntumahab323
@johntumahab323 2 года назад
And that was back in the 70s... Urban blight has labored on it since.
@gusgreen3104
@gusgreen3104 2 года назад
They shot in the street in front of what is now The Tap Room, Schlafly Brewery's iconic brewery and bar. It's even on Schlafly's website. They also shot at the old 66 chain of rocks bridge. I don't remember mention of the East Side being included.
@dlbstl
@dlbstl 2 года назад
The scenes were in St Louis and Chain of Rocks Bridge.
@chuckman2219
@chuckman2219 2 года назад
Other than the bridge scene, I think everything was in St Louis proper. Union Station was used in several scenes. The "boxing" ring was set up right in the grand hall
@erob1962
@erob1962 2 года назад
Misinformation huh … he probably don’t know East St. Louis is in Illinois. That’s Illinois that sounds like Illinoi when spoken
@d.brandon8375
@d.brandon8375 2 года назад
I am from East Saint Louis. I will always cherish my hometown and know the good that comes from there ( especially in its people ). I am not here to debate or argue about what has caused (or is causing ) the plight of my hometown, but I will always have hope that one day, the city will make it out if this dark narrative and have a better story.
@dissipatedtaint
@dissipatedtaint 2 года назад
You're absolutely correct when you talk about the high quality of the people that call East St. Louis home. My wife was born and raised there and almost her entire family still reside there and they are the best people I've ever known. Not to mention the dozens of world class athletes that come out of The Boogie every year.
@NgJackal1990
@NgJackal1990 Год назад
The only way is to nuke it and rebuild it from the ground up and not have democrats run the new city.
@GETole
@GETole Год назад
You live there now?
@GETole
@GETole Год назад
@Blake Schnitker How many of those world-class athletes go back there to live?
@nelsonmcatee3721
@nelsonmcatee3721 Год назад
You're right dude. East Side has lots of good people. You don't have a football team like the Flyers just because the town's black. Winning football games takes organization and discipline and pride. I'm white and I go to the East Side several times a year. Nobody bothers me. I'm treated with respect. If there are ghetto hood rats there, I haven't met them.
@johntumahab323
@johntumahab323 2 года назад
I remember an old joke on "The Simpsons" when the local members of MENSA ended up taking over Springfield and tried to implement improvements in the town to help it, then reported on their results: "And thanks to our improvements, we are now ranked 999th out of the top 1000 places to live in the USA! Take that, East St. Louis!"
@TarantuLandoCalcuLingus
@TarantuLandoCalcuLingus 2 года назад
That 70's show also mentioned east st. Louis once lol
@JbFit
@JbFit 2 года назад
I’m pretty sure one of the writers of the Simpson went to South Western Illinois College which is located only a few minutes away from East saint
@LeeGrill
@LeeGrill 2 года назад
Don't forget National Lampoons Vacation, where the Grizwolds take the wrong exit and end up in East St. Louis!
@protonneutron9046
@protonneutron9046 2 года назад
You've never been there? All you have to do is drive through it (quickly in an armored vehicle). The racial makeup of the city is 97.74% Black or African-American, 1.23% White. Any other questions?
@chickenalaking1319
@chickenalaking1319 2 года назад
It's not so bad, at least we're not speaking German, right?
@protonneutron9046
@protonneutron9046 2 года назад
@@chickenalaking1319 what ARE you insanely blathering on about?
@JAD1225
@JAD1225 2 года назад
And there is the answer.
@BewareofDarkness44
@BewareofDarkness44 2 года назад
I live in St. Louis, we have similar problems with the north side of the city. It's called "white flight". Black people moved in, white people moved out; industry and commercial business move out, poverty goes up, crime goes up, blight goes up, etc. It started with suburbanization back in the 50's and 60's. It seems to have hit the east side especially hard. My grandmother grew up in ESTL in the 30's and 40's, and it used to be a nice working class city.
@masunrise7471
@masunrise7471 2 года назад
This is what I came to say. Thank you for saving me so much typing.
@Publius_1787
@Publius_1787 2 года назад
Not so much white people leaving, as it was middle class leaving. Most poor people in urban communities tend to be black, which are the ones left behind, being the reason the term white flight was coined, albeit not entirely accurate... The main issue is that as an area becomes less desirable to live, city governments raise taxes to try and regain revenue, causing more people to move out. Why pay more to live in a less desirable area? As people leave, crime rises, and as crime rises, people stop investing in those areas. From there, it's a perpetual decline. Truly disappointing. St. Louis is a beautiful city, but it's decaying.
@Powertuber1000
@Powertuber1000 2 года назад
@@masunrise7471 Don't let that stop you from commenting on the blk problem, it needs to be stated over and over, but everyone is either too afraid or too media brainwashed.
@andrewstanley5317
@andrewstanley5317 2 года назад
I live in St. Louis as well and have heard this theory before... it always confuses me. I think this completely disregards all the other significant factors the narrator cited. The exodus to the suburbs was motivated by many things and race probably played a part in it (especially in those racially charged decades). I'm sure this affected the economy; however, I think it's illogical to say "white people moving" was the sole cause of East St. Louis' downfall. It was not only white people but the middle class. People wanted to live in nicer places which the suburbs offered in spades with a construction explosion. And, in response, East St. Louis made many missteps (raising taxes!) to remedy its challenges. The result, unfortunately, has been utter ruin :( As a contrast, St. Louis city and the surrounding neighborhoods experienced the same exodus but have not experienced nearly the blight that has befallen East St. Louis.
@tira2145
@tira2145 2 года назад
Race, really? Don't you have a better excuse? This idea of blaming every failure of the democrat controlled city/state is really getting old. Please come up with something else.
@jimkreider9997
@jimkreider9997 2 года назад
I grew up there. It was such a nice little city and safe. Now no one wants to even go there. I have no home town to go back to or a high school reunion. It makes me so sad
@jackson5116
@jackson5116 2 года назад
Cahokia has become the same way, and it's spreading to the west side of Belleville. It's not the skin color of the people, it's the kinds of people- trash. It doesn't matter if you're black, white, green, blue, purple, red, or orange, trashy people ruin communities.
@jimkreider9997
@jimkreider9997 2 года назад
@@jackson5116 Is Cahokia now called Cahokia Heights? I remember my cousin lived there on I think Cecilia St. Of course, this was years ago. East St. Louis being right on the riverfront has so much potential but all the crooked politicians who ran the city ruined it along with a lot of the people who moved in. We lived on 85th st which is right down the hill from Belleville. So many people moved there when the city started going to pot. Now where? Belleville, Fairview Heights, and others are also going downhill. When I see pictures of ESTL now I get so mad. I went to Assumption high school and it's now a prison.
@bwake
@bwake 2 года назад
It’s a real bummer.
@bwake
@bwake 2 года назад
@@jimkreider9997 There’s a town nearby named “Fairview Heights.”
@jimkreider9997
@jimkreider9997 2 года назад
@@bwake I know and Belleville is right up the hill. These two are getting just as bad.
@Socialjusticewarriorsaretrash
@Socialjusticewarriorsaretrash 2 года назад
Man I'm from here we call it east boog. Crazy how buddy skipped up the politicians embezzling millions and pocketing it and caught after spending it. Imagine some person not from here giving the outside view of it. Yes it's bad and crime ridden I left it too. But alot of things go unnoticed. I still love the city they've got some of the best soul food around. There are some good people who live there still to this day.
@maranitalogan6148
@maranitalogan6148 2 года назад
Thank you you said it right … money pocketing politicians
@Socialjusticewarriorsaretrash
@Socialjusticewarriorsaretrash 2 года назад
@Maranita Logan don't pay anyone any mind most of the people talking live in the burbs ect. People say the most on the internet these days
@kambam2291
@kambam2291 2 года назад
He never even mentioned the masaacre tho😳
@Socialjusticewarriorsaretrash
@Socialjusticewarriorsaretrash 2 года назад
@@kambam2291 there's so much history brother. 1917 riots is always gonna be hidden. We know why. We will just get people on the outside looking in thinking they know.
@twistedzoink3645
@twistedzoink3645 2 года назад
My mother, who is 93, grew up there. She said there was a gangster that ran the place and during that time, it was a safe place to live. When he died, it deteriorated and became a dangerous place to live.
@benpetot1515
@benpetot1515 2 года назад
She's right. His name was Frank "Buster" Wortman.
@tommyhearns840
@tommyhearns840 Год назад
@@benpetot1515 not gay buster?
@bossyupbossy3912
@bossyupbossy3912 Год назад
​@tommyhearns840 no not the gay buster...Frank is a white man
@gusgreen3104
@gusgreen3104 2 года назад
This barely scratches the surface of ESTL history. I'm more nervous working in St louis City than I ever will be in East St Louis.
@nsant
@nsant 2 года назад
Agreed
@nelsonmcatee3721
@nelsonmcatee3721 2 года назад
I would be too. I shop for clothes in East St Louis and I'm white. No problems. But I'd stay clear of St Louis city. Three people I knew from my town got bumped off in St Louis.
@ericschneider8524
@ericschneider8524 2 года назад
Isn't St.Louis MO. The murder capital of the U.S. ?
@mikeeckert6147
@mikeeckert6147 2 года назад
Why?
@jenniferpirtle8172
@jenniferpirtle8172 2 года назад
Right
@TheTechnicalRecruiter
@TheTechnicalRecruiter 2 года назад
In a nutshell, the whites moved away.
@chickenalaking1319
@chickenalaking1319 2 года назад
Neighborhoods and cities are like limbs and extremities, when they die, they turn black.
@gojenson
@gojenson 2 года назад
Another sad story in Illinois is Cairo.
@johntumahab323
@johntumahab323 2 года назад
Oh my gosh, I drove through Cairo, IL just two years ago. I'd swear I was in a demilitarized zone.
@cosmiccharlie1056
@cosmiccharlie1056 2 года назад
Absolutely. Used to play them in football back in high school. Don't think they have a team anymore.
@theblacksheep5226
@theblacksheep5226 2 года назад
@@cosmiccharlie1056 You are right about Cairo no longer having high school football team. It's been awhile since they have.
@cosmiccharlie1056
@cosmiccharlie1056 2 года назад
@@theblacksheep5226 had some great basketball teams when I was in school back then. Should of won state the one year but slipped up in semifinals
@manchesterexplorer8519
@manchesterexplorer8519 2 года назад
What happened ? The original owners and families that had pride in this area are long gone . Cities are being bought up by investment companies that only care about rent and never put money back into the buildings to keep them looking good . When neighborhoods fall apart they turn into hoods . Unfortunately this is happening just about everywhere .
@MalachiHealey
@MalachiHealey 2 года назад
White flight.
@thomaskennedy9705
@thomaskennedy9705 2 года назад
All the industry that used to be in the area wasn't in the city limits. So they never paid taxes to ESL. When those places closed/moved, so did the work force and the revenue that a bigger population provides. Crime and crooked politicians didn't do it any favors either. But it used to be a nice town.
@MalachiHealey
@MalachiHealey 2 года назад
@@thomaskennedy9705 So huwhite flight?
@thomaskennedy9705
@thomaskennedy9705 Год назад
@@MalachiHealey Joined the military, moved around a lot. Live in a different state now.
@aidankirby8412
@aidankirby8412 Год назад
You missed it by a mile....you know who moved in.
@Phlample
@Phlample 2 года назад
"ROLL EM UP!" - Clark Griswold
@craigcavaliere6744
@craigcavaliere6744 2 года назад
First thing that came to mind when I saw the title was National Lampoon's Vacation.
@mikekeeler6362
@mikekeeler6362 2 года назад
Hey this is Clark Griswold
@TheMad31683
@TheMad31683 2 года назад
Took the fucking rims and all left on slabs lololol Holiday Roaddddd!!!!!
@marytygett4189
@marytygett4189 2 года назад
😳🤣yikes ! Classic movie !
@joemomma3208
@joemomma3208 2 года назад
That was North St Louis in Missouri that was not East St Louis.
@julisteck9548
@julisteck9548 2 года назад
I go roller skating at Skate City in EStl. Wonderful place. Lots of wonderful people call EStl home.
@maranitalogan6148
@maranitalogan6148 2 года назад
Thank you for your kind words
@naludragneel5371
@naludragneel5371 2 года назад
Skate city whoop woop I learned to skate there as a kid
@tommyhearns840
@tommyhearns840 Год назад
I live down da street hbu next time u here lol
@LR-je7nn
@LR-je7nn 6 месяцев назад
Hi Juli, Where is Skate City located?
@julisteck9548
@julisteck9548 6 месяцев назад
@@LR-je7nn East St Louis, Illinois at Broadway and 22nd.
@JohnRohanShield
@JohnRohanShield Год назад
Not a single mention of how drastically the racial demographics of the city changed in its history.
@JRPetruk
@JRPetruk Месяц назад
There seldom is. Racial demographics is THE dominant reason for urban decline. Everywhere. Europe is having the same problem. But Whitey has become too afraid of offending blacks by pointing the fact out. So it never is mentioned.
@jnorris528e
@jnorris528e 2 года назад
I used to deliver pizza and guard a truck stop in East St. Louis.
@trwhitford65
@trwhitford65 Год назад
I grew up in E St Louis in the 40's, 50's & 60's. I left in early 1964 for the USMC & Vietnam and never really returned except for short visits. I now live about 35 miles away in High Ridge MO. I guess I didn't realize just how bad it was. I thought that I had a pretty dang good childhood. The blight didnt really start until the late 60's. My house at 508 N 43rd St still stands although it has iron bars over the doors and windows now. It stands just a few blocks from E St Louis Senior High School.
@mannyfrencha5736
@mannyfrencha5736 2 года назад
Interesting. Never been to the "East St. Boogie" however, traveled pass there while back in college playing baseball. From pictures & videos, it looks and even sounds similar to Gary, Indiana. I've seen Gary personally when dating an ex-lady friend. Riding thru Gary is very surreal, and then to learn of the actual history, Gary and East St have very similar patterns
@MrKevinEaddy
@MrKevinEaddy 2 года назад
Gary, is rising from the dead. East St Louis though..
@Boogaboioringale
@Boogaboioringale 2 года назад
Garrett Work : I certainly would NOT recommend going through Washington Park even in the daytime!
@samuelskillern7365
@samuelskillern7365 2 года назад
Extremely similar. East St. Louis wasn't a company town, though.
@michaelcraig9449
@michaelcraig9449 2 года назад
East St Louis is even worse. I have seen it way too many times..Typical situation. JObs leave, Real estate folks get greedy and flip houses, then the entire town. Absentee landlords that buy properties and let it run down, too many rental properties, it just keeps going. Then because of that new industries do not want to move in, a sad cycle. This should never be accepted here in the USA!
@michaelcraig9449
@michaelcraig9449 2 года назад
@@samuelskillern7365 Yes it was. Several large companies hired a lot of people when they left or shit down, many lost their jobs, started the whole town going down.
@bobdanis9040
@bobdanis9040 2 года назад
You didn't bother to mention it's demographics problem which is probably it's biggest problem.
@chickenalaking1319
@chickenalaking1319 2 года назад
Next stop, Johannesburg👍
@gman9035
@gman9035 2 года назад
I think we all know what happened to east st louis
@queenpangaea3325
@queenpangaea3325 2 года назад
Do we all know what happened? I guess we do if we watched the video. I also watched a documentary where I learned that Capitalists from the Eastern United States built the city to promote their railroads and make money from stockyards, and then left when they made all the money they could. Since they didn't live in East St. Louis, they didn't care that their plants and factories toxins and wastes hindered future business investments. So, times changed, highways pushed aside railroads, and it became convenient to blame bad management on race because it's a quick and easy "solution" to blame all of our social problems on one thing instead of reading about true history and learning about all the factors that change over time...so much easier to just blame one thing and feel superior. If you want blame it all on one race, why don't you just say it?
@user-10.10.
@user-10.10. Год назад
@@queenpangaea3325 >you can't blame what happened on one thing >it's the capitalists fault
@stevev707
@stevev707 2 года назад
I moved to St Louis on March 2021 and lived there for a year. I didn't go to East St Louis, I really enjoy my time living there. The state parks, museum, zoo, and many events are free. I enjoyed the architecture of the city. St Louis has many potentials if things are managed correctly. I encourage everyone to visit St Louis and expert part of America's city and culture. I wish St Louis a prosperous future.
@SpiritMover314
@SpiritMover314 2 года назад
Very sensible and positive comment….Much needed…..👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾❤️
@carlhorowitz5916
@carlhorowitz5916 8 месяцев назад
I grew up near St. Louis, too. Forest Park, Washington University and the Gateway Arch were magical places for me.
@sharonw2475
@sharonw2475 2 года назад
My parents moved to E. St. Louis in 1954 from SE Missouri, and I was 10 years old at that time. It was a beautiful exciting city then and somewhere in the '50's the city was even named an All American City. We lived at 2616 Bond Ave but now that place is just empty lots. Then things had turned so bad in just 4 years we were forced to moved to Southern Il in Sept 1958. I have many fond memories of E St Louis but if I were to tell you the main reason the city went downhill then, and is still going downhill, I would be accused of being racist.
@garyteague4480
@garyteague4480 2 года назад
Sister your exactly right if you told the truth you would be piled on as a racist but it’s never mentioned because of the same thing
@Boogaboioringale
@Boogaboioringale 2 года назад
Don’t let that stop you. Maybe just add more factors to it .
@Boogaboioringale
@Boogaboioringale 2 года назад
1 actually went to Southeast Missouri State University in 1978-1980.
@isaiahcleary89
@isaiahcleary89 2 года назад
Just by you saying "An All American City" reveals the truth. You really meant to say an all white city.
@harrisre-nee3017
@harrisre-nee3017 2 года назад
Ha! Because you *are* racist. At least have the courage to take pride in your obvious biases. Smh.😒
@chupacabrasaurusrex1565
@chupacabrasaurusrex1565 2 года назад
I used to work at lot close by, and I have worked with people that actively found bullet casings on the lot, and have seen/heard stray fire in their vacinity. I, myself, have heard gunfire close enough to make me hit the deck.
@trwhitford65
@trwhitford65 Год назад
If you hear it, it's too late....
@queenpangaea3325
@queenpangaea3325 2 года назад
Unlike St. Louis, MO, whose major industries were founded and run by people who lived in St. Louis, and had a long-term financial interest in what happened to the companies that they lived near, the major industries in East St. Louis, IL were founded and run by people who lived in the eastern United States, men like Andrew Carnegie and J.P. Morgan. Once they got what they wanted, and the businesses no longer made them money, they pulled out and this was part of the decline. The men in New England didn't care what happened in Western Illinois. They already had their money. The businesses that once thrived there left behind loads of environmental waste that make it too expensive to attract new businesses that don't want to spend money to clean up all the stuff that has leaked into the ground and been left behind in the old factories and plants. It's cheaper to build on clean ground or move into a clean building. Sure, it's always easy to blame race for our cities problems, but that's what uninformed people do, find a scapegoat and blame all the problems on them instead of learning that the problem has many more layers to it and has decades of built-up issues besides just racial and social issues.
@mandys1505
@mandys1505 2 года назад
well said!
@treeoflifelove8261
@treeoflifelove8261 2 года назад
And when you ride by to see it for yourself one can truly see all the waste that was left behind! I believe you! They must’ve gotten their money and left. Although, I am a bit young to know this for a fact (80s baby) I can see it now with my own eyes. Concrete from buildings, waste, old buildings etc.
@kathyg239
@kathyg239 2 года назад
@Dan Jackson Who are "these" people?
@chadking4928
@chadking4928 2 года назад
@Dan Jackson they always do, they don’t build only break.
@UzumakiNaruto_
@UzumakiNaruto_ 2 года назад
@Queen Pangaea *Sure, it's always easy to blame race for our cities problems, but that's what uninformed people do, find a scapegoat and blame all the problems on them instead of learning that the problem has many more layers to it and has decades of built-up issues besides just racial and social issues.* Lets be honest. Alot of these problems ARE related to certain demographics of people who turn every area they populate in large numbers into being much worse rather than better. THIS is the main problem that no one wants to tackle because they don't want to be labeled as racists. Until we can deal with this problem seriously and fix it, nothing will change for cities like ESTL or Gary or Baltimore etc. Imagine if you removed all the current people in ESTL, cleaned up the land so its usable and then offered it to hard working, peaceful people for dirt cheap or even free to try and entice them to lay roots in ESTL what would happen? I think there's a great chance that a number of people would look at ESTL as being a blank slate where they could build a house a raise a family and in a few short years ESTL would start to bounce back. The thing is this will NEVER happen as long as there are violent and dangerous people living there and the government does nothing to rehab and/or remove them permanently from society to make a safe environment for people to live in and have them create growth in that area.
@fabio40
@fabio40 2 года назад
I had to go to East St. Louis for work about 20 years ago. I will never go back there again. What a dump!
@ryanmcdonough8212
@ryanmcdonough8212 2 года назад
As part of it's storied history the area was dealt a major social and economic blow during the racially motivated labor riot of 1917 leaving an estimated 6,000 homeless with entire sections of the city burned down.
@queenpangaea3325
@queenpangaea3325 2 года назад
“He witnessed horrible things: people’s houses being set ablaze, . . . people being shot when they tried to flee, some trying to swim to the other side of the Mississippi while being shot at by white mobs with rifles, others being dragged out of street cars and beaten and hanged from street lamps.” This went on for three days.
@nicholealderfer191
@nicholealderfer191 2 года назад
Ryan McDonough, hundred percent am baffled why that was left out of the video. You can go online and find pictures of it, including a young black man being burnt alive. I am not from St. Louis but have lived in a historic neighborhood south of downtown for seventeen years, and also have a dual degree in History/Sociology. Racism does play a part here even if natives want to deny it.
@fishingismydrug1
@fishingismydrug1 2 года назад
@@nicholealderfer191 Not denying things like this happened. Roles are reversed now. Been there, several times for past jobs. Was called every anti-white name you can think of, and more. Drug deals openly happening in broad daylight, blacks chasing down whites, simply for being there. What’s that saying, about history repeats itself? White utility workers and delivery drivers being yanked out of their vehicles and beaten or killed. Because they’re white. Lest we forget, this goes “both” ways. What the narrator “forgot “ to mention, the timeframe this town went downhill, also coincides with Caucasian’s moving out.
@naemoody8072
@naemoody8072 2 года назад
Might that be Bloody Sunday? When the river ran blood? I'll have to look that one up again.
@naemoody8072
@naemoody8072 2 года назад
@Digby Dooright the victims blood has drenched the land and water. their Spirits aren't at rest.
@valutiquegifts6045
@valutiquegifts6045 2 года назад
I went to Lincoln in Jefferson City in the late '60's. Went home with kids from St. Louis during breaks. The St. Louis clubs closed at 2:00am. Everyone would then cross the bridge to ESTL cuz the clubs stayed open til 4...maybe daybreak, don't remember. There was also a record shop that only sold '45's singles for $1. For $6 you could get a record and a nickel bag. Good times back then.
@missourimongoose8858
@missourimongoose8858 2 года назад
All the strip clubs are still in east stl right next to the new dispensary lol
@sledzeppelin
@sledzeppelin 2 года назад
All of IL is in such massive debt that I really don't know how they can possibly come out of it.
@irocz11
@irocz11 2 года назад
Yea I would say a big thing too is that the st louis population has always consistently moved to the west which means all the entertainment and stores moved that way too which hurt east st louis even more
@queenpangaea3325
@queenpangaea3325 2 года назад
OMG, an intelligent answer! Thank you. I was beginning to lose hope.
@D71219ONE
@D71219ONE 2 года назад
I used to work construction in East St. Louis. People would just walk up and steal things from your job site without any fear. I work IT now and still have to go to ESTL a few times a month to the courthouse. Sad place.
@imtrippymaine5440
@imtrippymaine5440 Год назад
My dad was from and grew up in ESTL. I remember growing up when he was in the Navy and someone would ask him where he was from, he always specifically said “St. Louis” because he said the first time he said “East St. Louis” people tried to start fights with him on the ship cause they assumed the worst of people from ESTL
@lucianprescott8357
@lucianprescott8357 2 года назад
The problem with STL and ESTL is a result of the people have become institutionalized. STL hasn’t had a republican mayor since 1948. It is a democrat run and controlled cabal that has an interest in running it down. There have been a few conservative young, highly intelligent republicans who are black who ran for office and they couldn’t break that barrier. If Tim Scott, a black conservative senator from South Carolina came to STL, they wouldn’t give him the time of day. The only way to change any of this is a cultural revolution….not a mere shift, a revolution.
@cinnanyan
@cinnanyan 2 года назад
It takes a sustained, patient and good faith effort to build local parties to win in cities like this, not attacking the voters. Politics is about relationships.
@zgdafzgdaf4264
@zgdafzgdaf4264 2 года назад
Couple notable events, there were racial tensions in early 1900s with black migration from the south.. a lot more detail the documentation could go into. Also more recent decades, the city hall deed was awarded by a judge to someone when ESL wouldn’t pay a judgement esl lost. When driving thru esl watch out for missing manhole covers that were stolen and sold for scrap metal… speaking of which, prior to the great flood of 93, someone did the same with the flood gate.. and the flood gate was really needed in 1993.
@jimmyherring4349
@jimmyherring4349 2 года назад
Violence and crime is what moves good people out of good neighbor hood's. Its like the devil moving in someone's heart and life. Nothing but down fall
@shayfontezforee7956
@shayfontezforee7956 2 года назад
The whole East Side is for sale and if you all were smart you’d start buying. On the other hand everyone I meet from Saint Louis tells me how hard it is to own property in Saint Louis When I look at impoverished area’s I tend to see opportunities Example: Washington Park has 5000 people, 8 strip clubs 7 liquor stores and a churches chicken. No tire shop No laundrymat No barbershop etc.
@michaelcraig9449
@michaelcraig9449 2 года назад
Sometimes if enough good useful businesses come into a town it can help turn it around. It has happened in different places.
@mikusoxlongius
@mikusoxlongius 2 года назад
@@michaelcraig9449 sometimes you get shot up and burned out.
@joerapo
@joerapo 2 года назад
So you're saying they need a ninth strip club?
@krisiglehart3061
@krisiglehart3061 2 года назад
look at the racial demographics in these towns and cities, it will speak volumes. Not saying one race is better or worse, but look at the population currently vs when the city was at it's best. That will tell you ALOT! Also look at what political party is and was is power.
@nigelkemp5189
@nigelkemp5189 2 года назад
Businesses don’t want to move to east St. Louis? I personally know millionaires complaining about the strong hold the government has on east St. Louis. They just wont build it back up while its 99.9% black owned and operated. It’s the politicians. It’s the best empty plot of land in the country commercially.
@CanoeToNewOrleans
@CanoeToNewOrleans 2 года назад
I visited the area and it gives the vibe that it reached its peak in the 1960s. Lots of people warned me not go to East St. Louis.
@patbateman6729
@patbateman6729 2 года назад
Such a crime free beautiful community.
@citadelgrad87
@citadelgrad87 2 года назад
East St. Louis is and has been so jacked up for so long, Carpenter used it, WITHOUT MODIFICATION, as a stand in for post apocalyptic New York, in "Escape from New York." Let that sink in. That was 1981.
@sandraelsmaterialoblivion7201
@sandraelsmaterialoblivion7201 2 года назад
I grew up in Belleville in the 70s and 80s - I could quickly and accurately sum up what happened but you all would not like it
@armaniburton8661
@armaniburton8661 2 года назад
Let’s hear it
@williamstuart4155
@williamstuart4155 2 года назад
Black ppl?
@ednowalk4538
@ednowalk4538 2 года назад
I grew up down the "hill" from Belleville.Off State St. in Parkside subdivision in the 60's.I seen it all fall apart.I blame the politicians mostly for the cities demise.They catered to anyone race, whichever one was needed, only for the votes.
@sandraelsmaterialoblivion7201
@sandraelsmaterialoblivion7201 2 года назад
@@ednowalk4538 Exactly
@OnePieceTractor
@OnePieceTractor 2 года назад
Anybody that's ever been there knows exactly why it's in the shape it's in even if they don't want to say it
@pika62221
@pika62221 11 месяцев назад
I will, damn nigga blacks overran everything! If they were just black, then fine, but when they're the stupid crime-ridden black (the ones who keep calling themselves niggas), then you're going to fail.
@HotTripod78
@HotTripod78 2 месяца назад
it seems like it used to be such a beautiful city.. As someone who lives 20ish miles from ESTL I wish something could be done to make it beautiful again..
@IntellectuallyAstute
@IntellectuallyAstute 2 года назад
My Hometown! Born & Raised!! 😏
@kentallard8852
@kentallard8852 10 месяцев назад
It's been like this for DECADES. Escape From New York was shot there because of how it looked and that was in 1981.
@LR-je7nn
@LR-je7nn 2 года назад
East St Louis Illinois is a third world ghetto. With per capita violent crimes it is ranked as the sixth most dangerous city in the world. I cut all ties with East St Louis on December 24, 1979 when Hunter meatpacking closed.
@joeblow1937
@joeblow1937 2 года назад
SAME THING THAT HAPPENS TO ANY DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED CITY...... MISERY AND DECAY..... GEE THANKS DEMOCRATS
@Just_A_Gun_Guy
@Just_A_Gun_Guy 2 года назад
I lived in Fairview Heights most my life right off the edge of East Saint. I can tell you the poverty and crime has been consistently creeping out of there and into neighboring towns as the years have passed. I'm glad I moved away from there and into MO. I used to work for Home City Ice delivering ice bags to all the gas stations and shops in ESTL, it was a terrible job and the people were terrible. Being white in ESTL instantly makes you an outcast and I had 2 situations of people trying to rob ice from our truck because they had no AC in the summer.
@DJ-px1ds
@DJ-px1ds 2 года назад
I grew up in west county, now living in Shiloh. We have ESL. You guys have North County and all the towns around the airport. Not much difference, imho.
@MalachiHealey
@MalachiHealey 2 года назад
"Being white in ESTL" And that's the real thread to the actual answer to "What happened to East St Louis".
@jackson5116
@jackson5116 2 года назад
That's nothing, Cahokia's zip code IS East St Louis! Look up the 62206 zip code, it's Cahokia's, but will come up as East St Louis! I grew up in Cahokia, and we literally border East St Louis. Now, Cahokia has become a little East St Louis.
@jackson5116
@jackson5116 2 года назад
@@DJ-px1ds north St Louis has more murders than East St Louis, but because it's in a city of 300,000 versus 30,000 for East St Louis, EStL gets the higher murder rate.
@damicaodom9064
@damicaodom9064 2 года назад
If you’re racist, just say that 🤡
@Hammster69official
@Hammster69official 2 года назад
The area around the casino boat is a good place to take a photo of St Louis across the river, because there is nothing immediately around it (or at least there wasn't twenty years ago). But between there and I-70, don't stop, and keep your doors locked.
@timothymoroney9100
@timothymoroney9100 2 года назад
The Illinois state government will only concern itself with one city…Chicago. Thus, East St. Louis fate was cemented.
@eyalrephaeli6833
@eyalrephaeli6833 2 года назад
Just like how the New York state government only concerns itself with New York City. New Jersey should be part of New York while Indiana should be part of Illinois.
@edwardofgreene
@edwardofgreene 2 года назад
People in other parts of Illinois: The Metro East? Thats St. Louis. What do we care? People on the Missouri side of greater St. Louis: Thats Illinois. What do we care? Unless you actually live there no one wants to think of it as "part of us". From news coverage to chain stores to industry Greater St. Louis wants to ignore the Illinois side. Politics and state agencies in Illinois want to ignore the St. Louis area. Edit: Some day I may see a new Ted Drewes next to a freshly paved road in Granite City or Cahokia, but I doubt it.
@joemomma3208
@joemomma3208 2 года назад
Democrats happened to East St Louis. It’s my hometown but a true embarrassment and a sad place to live.
@Steve-lp4zg
@Steve-lp4zg 2 года назад
It's the bad ones living there..I used to deliver to local stores and gas stations.. you'd walk thru the front door and be walled off from the store you had to point to what you wanted and the worker would slide it to you thru a drawer after you paid. Every owner had a gun right by their side... crime.. homes with steel bars around windows and their ac units..I delivered to multiple surrounding communities.. east st. Louis was the worse..
@kimmcdaniel2111
@kimmcdaniel2111 2 года назад
I live in St. Louis-as other commenters have stated it’s not the safest area. I’ve driven through East St. Louis and their Main Street is amazing with beautiful architecture. If things could get renovated in someway-could be a nice place to live once more. However, I’m sure the nearby strip clubs don’t help with the cause.
@nelsonmcatee3721
@nelsonmcatee3721 2 года назад
The strip clubs are in Washington Park, a completely different city. They aren't allowed in East Side.
@djtrankilo231
@djtrankilo231 2 года назад
Not strip clubs, but the Casino Queen
@Ani_ny
@Ani_ny 2 года назад
I feel like its safer than st louis
@jackson5116
@jackson5116 2 года назад
it's fine during the day, it's the night off main street where you need to drive to see the real East St Louis! By the way, when you hear the gunshots, duck!
@mattschmitt9924
@mattschmitt9924 2 года назад
The strip clubs are one of the very few reasons MO residents even consider going over there.
@presidentjayhawk9214
@presidentjayhawk9214 2 года назад
Man estl not even that bad as folks make it seem. I am a 19 yr old college student who is from estl and currently living in estl. If you going spread some information about estl make sure you do some research next time and look up the estl massacre. Stop looking outside the city and chill with the people of estl
@johngoldsworthy7135
@johngoldsworthy7135 2 года назад
Sounds like a suicide mission
@nelsonmcatee3721
@nelsonmcatee3721 2 года назад
You're right. There are a lot of nice people there. I drive 60 miles to shop for clothes at the Boutique on State Street. Then I take my girlfriend to Rainbow. We're an interracial couple and nobody bothers us. We'd probably be in more danger in Richland County or Clay County. East Side can still get families with athletes to move there because the Flyers are one of the best football teams in the country.
@michaelterrell2108
@michaelterrell2108 2 года назад
That city is a death trap. No thanks.
@presidentjayhawk9214
@presidentjayhawk9214 2 года назад
@@michaelterrell2108 like I said stop looking from the outside
@calonstanni
@calonstanni 2 года назад
GOOD FOR YOU! People are so fucking blind and scared that they won't bother to see another side. I live in St. Louis but occasionally take the metro to ESTL to walk around at various stops. I see the desolation but Im not convinced that it's ALL that way, or that it can't be changed, and I've loved every person I've come across. Talking bad about a place buries it. Spreading hope keeps it alive. Keep on spreading hope.
@jayroc3337
@jayroc3337 2 года назад
I blame our politicians. It was once great and now literally in ruins
@JRPetruk
@JRPetruk Месяц назад
Blaming politicians is easy. Telling the truth is hard. ESL was doomed by the advent and subsequent domination of freeways and cars as the nation's major mode of travel and freighting. It never had a chance.
@carrieannwilliams4628
@carrieannwilliams4628 3 месяца назад
My dad grew up in ESL but bought his first home with my mom in Olivette. Sad to see what happened to this once amazing city. I believe at one point is was named the All American City, beautiful homes, shopping, great placed to eat. I live just outside of St. Louis and it makes me so sad to hear the negative comments. I don't know if ESL can be saved, but St. Louis is an amazing city with museums, a world class zoo, fine dinging, grate Italian on the Hill. Like any big city you just have to know what areas to steer clear from (North side mostly)
@wskinn
@wskinn Год назад
This short vid missed the largest cause of ESL's demise. Many of large local factories outside ESL incorporated their properties into their own "towns". Once this happened, the businesses in those sham townships were protected from being incorporated or annexed into ESL's city limits. This meant ESL could not collect the taxes or impact fees needed for services like fire and police departments, health departments, trash collection, or school districts. Private business concerns benefitted from the presence of a workforce but avoided funding the services required to sustain that workforce. Some of the blame for this falls on local and state regulators that allowed the sham incorporations to happen in the first place. ESL is a textbook example of what happens when private business interests are allowed to operate with no obligation to sustain the conditions that allow them to thrive in the first place, and government won’t or can’t step in to correct the situation.
@karlmiller6885
@karlmiller6885 2 года назад
Even not considering the crime, what company in their right mind would want to build where they have to pay Illiniois tax rates when they could be right over the border with Missouri tax rates?
@SadSackGaming
@SadSackGaming 2 года назад
The only reason St. Louis itself hasn’t completely imploded similarly is because there are still jobs. The place is essentially a few major companies leaving before it all rolls downhill and slams into the ground. What’s weird is when the Cardinals were working on getting their new stadium deal, they threatened to build it in east St. Louis and I swear I cannot believe they even said it. TF I’m going to east St. Louis to watch a game. I wouldn’t have a car by the 7th inning stretch. It was the stupidest bluff ever.
@johnnyboy55
@johnnyboy55 2 года назад
7th inning stretch? Before the first pitch 😊
@WM_Nonsense
@WM_Nonsense Год назад
There’s a reason the first blues song was called “saint louis blues” and Duke Ellingtons first song was called “east saint Louis toodle-Oo”💀
@bwake
@bwake 2 года назад
My father was stationed at Scott Air Force Base in the ‘60s. My mother would take us to the Sears (remember Sears?) in East St. Louis. We then moved overseas for three years. We came back in 1970. Everything had changed. The parking garage had chain link on all the openings. The people we met in the store were polite, but they recommended we not come back. That store closed soon afterwards.
@EvilLeprechuan
@EvilLeprechuan Год назад
My household was one of the few white (passing) families that still lived there ( N 16th street, near the Henrietta cross street) until about 84, my cousin lived near the old Ventures store, can't remember the name anymore. Drove through there not long ago going back to visit family in the area and didn't even recognize it, most the homes I knew, including my own, are gone, nothing in its spot, just empty land.
@jackson5116
@jackson5116 2 года назад
What your "sources" won't tell you is that the Eads Bridge connecting East St Louis to St Louis helped it thrive early on.
@seantyler7401
@seantyler7401 2 года назад
It’s a cesspool and I’ve been robbed multiple times growing up in granite city and driving through the trash
@metalgirl
@metalgirl 2 года назад
East St. Louis is NOT St. Louis. East St Louis is not safe so no one goes there. It’s pretty simple.
@davidstough302
@davidstough302 2 года назад
I remember going through there with my Dad on one of his business trips in the 60s. Big street fair going on. We didn’t get out of the car. For years I drove around it because I-70 was under construction and it would dump you off in the middle of the hood
@mikusoxlongius
@mikusoxlongius 2 года назад
ESTL is Chicago's little brother. Both are a blight.
@IvyLyons
@IvyLyons 2 года назад
It's the wiki reference for me, y'all. East St. Louis most definitely saw an uptick in crime and an unwillingness to populate the space, but we have to contextualize it with an entire race riot in the early 20th century (right before that mid-20th century downturn that was discussed in the video) and substantial redlining from downtown through to easternmost East St. Louis. Moreover, the historical context of that city's loss is reflected in the existence of the Delmar Divide in St. Louis and the increasing suburbanization of surrounding areas. Things like race riots and the departure of a white community alongside severe redlining can help gangs metastasize and, moreover, could speak to the criminalization of a community rather than a criminal action. (We have to ask what outside of gang-related crimes is being considered when we discuss crimes. Do we trust the wiki recollection?) That community, in earnest, lost its ability to sustain wealth and growth through disruption of its economic infrastructure as white people in Jim Crow-era to segregationist America flocked away from the city, taking wealth along with them. The sustained, systemic impact is the long-term disruption that you see in dilapidated buildings and crumbling infrastructure, which could always be returned to its higher status with the integration of resources from local and state governments, continued taxation, and a variety of other political actions. TLDR; no need to Debbie downer a town with a significant Black population. It's part of the narrative of areas like Washington D.C.'s Anacostia region "Chocolate City" to become seemingly uninhabitable and destitute when the projection is missing a key portion of the narrative. They tend to come back or thrive on their own away from bright, white lights.
@kennedys1796
@kennedys1796 2 года назад
Thank you for giving more insight to people. I live in Saint Louis too and this video didn’t tell the whole story.
@mikusoxlongius
@mikusoxlongius 2 года назад
Must be nice to always have someone to blame.
@moonie406
@moonie406 2 года назад
@@mikusoxlongius its less of "someone to blame" and it's more of multiple events in history to blame. it may seem like an "anti-white" rhetoric but feeling victimized in modern day won't dispute the history
@willmartin792
@willmartin792 2 года назад
Corrupt Politicians is what happened...
@moonraker30
@moonraker30 2 года назад
Until they bankrupted it
@Chaseadventure.
@Chaseadventure. 2 года назад
I live in st.louis, i can tell you exactly what happened. They let the wrong class of people in that area and they drove it to what it is today. It's spreading too.
@MrAdriancooke
@MrAdriancooke 2 года назад
As I understand it St Louis itself is one of the most dangerous cities in America
@DSH1LL
@DSH1LL 2 года назад
Nice video. Sad but true. Illinois could be amazing from North to South with it's resources. The whole State is becoming E. St. Louis.
@boogitybear2283
@boogitybear2283 2 года назад
Cairo, Illinois. Ever been there?😳😳
@jackson5116
@jackson5116 2 года назад
@@boogitybear2283 South Chicago! The only reason it's a low rate is because 3 million people live in Chicago's city limits.
@vegaslimoguy2376
@vegaslimoguy2376 2 года назад
Wrong! Ever hear of the suburbs of Chicago? I live there, Naperville is the number one city in the country to live and raise a family and very low crime, and there are other suburban towns that surround it as well that are very low in crime and have such a better quality of life. Now the far west side of Chicago and Southside are totally different LOL
@pika62221
@pika62221 11 месяцев назад
blame tubby, fatass keeps raising taxes to make up for the missing funds, instead of cutting costs. Make the taxpayers pay for their massive spending instead of cutting massive spending, and you'll start losing more than you gain! Hey, wait a minute, that's what's happening!
@drewdederer8965
@drewdederer8965 2 года назад
This place has been a dive just as long as I can remember. The most basic reason things got bad there and dived even harder is the same thing that happened to Gary, and Windsor. You had a suburb (and a "working class" one at that) on the wrong side of a state line. This means that when things start to go bad, the "wrong" side can't pull revenue from the "successful" side (they are easy to cut off) AND they aren't tied into their "own" state. ESL is FAR from any Illinois population center (the cross-river parts of Cincinnati for example can lean a bit on Louisville) that they are likely to have little political influence. River towns have been in decline for decades. Some are really bad (Cairo is in dire shape) others are at least treading water so to speak (Quincy is an hour or two up-river, and while it isn't thriving, it's reasonably safe). BTW, where exactly does "St Louis Metro" end? that's a LOT of people for not all that much city.
@davidcox3076
@davidcox3076 2 года назад
With all the power and influence locked up in Chicago, IL has little time for places downstate like ESL and Cairo. I drove through Cairo on the way back to STL last year. Hadn't been through in about 20 years. Hard to believe the decay.
@advantageous111
@advantageous111 2 года назад
The metro cam technically extend out as far as 20 to 30 miles outside the city, east to west and north to south. St. Louis has a very widely spread population base.
@drewdederer8965
@drewdederer8965 2 года назад
@@advantageous111 I think they count even further than 30 miles. Here in Ohio, that's about enough to bump into the next metro area. What IS the next metro round St. Louis? Columbia (doubtful), Springfield (Il, again doubtful). I went to school in Kirksville a long time back, and once you clear St. Louis, the density drops to tiny levels. (Unlike Ohio say when you start entering the next city zone).
@TheBigboy453
@TheBigboy453 2 года назад
@@drewdederer8965 the nearest metro near st louis would either be Kansas City, Chicago, or Memphis
@edwardofgreene
@edwardofgreene 2 года назад
"ESL is FAR from any Illinois population center" This common misconception bothers me. The Metro East is the second largest population center in the state of Illinois. (After greater Chicago of course). 700,000 according to the 2010 census. Being all suburbs though, with the focal point in a different state, it somehow goes unnoticed. Somewhat ignored by state politics and funding. When I worked for the Illinois DOT the roads in the Metro East were practically ignored in spite of probably having the greatest need for repair and upkeep.
@josephw2905
@josephw2905 2 года назад
East St Louis isn't near as dangerous as it used to be. I walk there a lot and everyone's friendly, and I almost never hear of any news from there.
@tommyhearns840
@tommyhearns840 Год назад
It’s da scared people if u look n act scared they gonna get you that simple white black don’t matter but you can be white or other ethnic group n if you act like you blend in they will respect you rather if you a nerd hand yet wateva
@BigSkyCurmudgeon
@BigSkyCurmudgeon Год назад
"the BLUE NOTE" featuring Leo's 5. loved that place
@tommyhearns840
@tommyhearns840 Год назад
The blue note? Off bond?
@trwhitford65
@trwhitford65 Год назад
Yep, spent a few evenings there in the 60's.
@johnratican3824
@johnratican3824 2 года назад
East St. Louis strikes me as the Camden of St. Louis. The difference is of course, St. Lois isn't Philadelphia, so the decline would be even worse.
@garyteague4480
@garyteague4480 2 года назад
What a crock ! We that live in Missouri know the reason why this once great city is now a slum
@billgrandone3552
@billgrandone3552 2 года назад
In 1960 it was a award winning community but under the control of mob boss Buster Workman. Since then it has declined to the point of being almost unlivable. Murders are common and the city looks like a war zone. I used to commute to St. Louis University from Lebanon Il and when the highway was diverted through E. St Louis for construction, I made sure my doors were locked and made "Hollywood Stops"' at intersections just so noone could hijack my car. The city needs tobe torn down and redeveloped. St. Louis is also becoming a hell hole of crime. I used to go there 10 or 12 times a year as a kid and lived there for eight years while in college and law school. Now I only go to the hospital for care and refuse to stay for anything else.
@biglove195
@biglove195 Год назад
It is the saddest city I've ever seen.
@Handelson
@Handelson 2 года назад
Raising property taxes was like the nail in the coffin. Illinois has high property taxes , especially compared to Missouri. Between Chicago and East St. Louis, Illinois has pattern of once great cities that have turned for the worse.
@jms5c8
@jms5c8 2 года назад
Taxes are a scam
@mark-1901
@mark-1901 2 года назад
Crime took over, business owners pulled out. They went to St. Charles, O'Fallon to start over. This happens when you don't have severe punishment for wrongful behavior.
@sharonw2475
@sharonw2475 2 года назад
You don't know what you're talking about, not even close to the real truth!
@mark-1901
@mark-1901 2 года назад
@@sharonw2475 no... thats exactly it....
@mark-1901
@mark-1901 2 года назад
@@sharonw2475 we are all waiting on your response. Why is the city like it is if I was wrong.......
@sameilerman717
@sameilerman717 2 года назад
We all know what you're trying to say just say it
@mark-1901
@mark-1901 2 года назад
@@sameilerman717 that's pretty much it. You understood it.
@swaggy3987
@swaggy3987 8 месяцев назад
You have to be blind or naive to not understand what the real problem is. Take one walk through the city and it’s obvious. Of course, it’s no surprise that it’s not addressed in this video.
@chrismechanic6164
@chrismechanic6164 Год назад
I knew a guy who was taking his family on vacation in their brand new station wagon and they accidentally got lost in East St.louis. When he stopped to ask for directions they stole the hubcaps off his brand new car! They should make a movie with that scene in it.🤣😎
@pika62221
@pika62221 11 месяцев назад
no, they thought it was East St Louis, but since they crossed the river, they were actually in Missouri. They were in an area known as north St Louis.
@derrickwillie4449
@derrickwillie4449 2 года назад
The state of illinois didn’t care. Bad state, bad city
@SlowedByMaple
@SlowedByMaple Год назад
East St. Louis, Gary, and Camden can be friends
@samuelskillern7365
@samuelskillern7365 2 года назад
Much decline... Between 2010 and 2020, the combined statistical area (CSA) grew 1.12% from 2.89M to 2.92M. East St. Louis is a sad, yet hopeful story. The rest of the Metro-East is growing, too.
@pika62221
@pika62221 11 месяцев назад
no, it's not! The Metro East shrunk overall between 2010 and 2020, led by East St Louis, Belleville, Fairivew Heights and Collinsville.
@davidcox3076
@davidcox3076 2 года назад
STL area resident. A number of years ago I saw a sign outside one of the churches in Belleville, IL, a bit east of ESTL. It was advertising a "Clean Up ESTL Day" and recruiting volunteers. Commendable on the part of the church, trying to help a neighboring community. But I had a thought. Why can't ESTL citizens clean up their own community? I understand there is widespread poverty but it doesn't cost anything to pick up trash. Do ESTL residents have such little pride that they are unwilling to keep their city clean? Maybe I'm wrong but that was my first thought.
@tommyhearns840
@tommyhearns840 2 года назад
Most peop that live in b ville from east saint louis
@davidcox3076
@davidcox3076 2 года назад
@@tommyhearns840 I did not know that. Thank you! Learned something new today.
@gothenmosph5151
@gothenmosph5151 2 года назад
It's probably difficult to take pride in keeping something clean that you have never seen clean before in your whole life.
@carlhorowitz5916
@carlhorowitz5916 8 месяцев назад
What happened? Blacks happened, that's what. Any other answer would dishonest.
@naithngr81-jh2bb
@naithngr81-jh2bb 8 месяцев назад
So black people told whites in charge of the jobs that they could make more money outsourcing the jobs. Blacks also told white in charge of housing market that they could make more money by forcing blacks into the inner portion of the city and cut them off from resources and discriminate against them from moving into better areas like the suburbs? What color is the sky in your alt-right sewer?
@LobsterLover530
@LobsterLover530 2 года назад
👏🏻 great job. Sadly, East Stl will prob never recover.
@waiatm
@waiatm 9 месяцев назад
If East Saint wasn't in Illinois it would probably still be a viable place to live. ESTL would probably mirror the Missouri side. I've been to East St Louis a bunch of times, it has so much potential
@1940limited
@1940limited Год назад
I understand St.Louis also has problems. As soon as you deindustrialize, there goes the economy and blight sets in.
@mikeschueler1285
@mikeschueler1285 2 года назад
Amusing in the video it said that St Louis was a functioning city. Barely. The St Louis and immediate Illinois metro area is basically Thunder Dome mixed with Escape From New York, ironically, was filmed in east st Louis. The grand experiment of the U S city is a failure. Modern transportation helped the populations move out of the inner cities,but politicians selling out our manufacturing to places like China and others was the biggest death nail to many cities.
@tobygoodguy4032
@tobygoodguy4032 2 года назад
Its in Illinois. Need you say more.
@ryanmcdonough8212
@ryanmcdonough8212 2 года назад
Not if your point was to state a fact covered in the video
@queenpangaea3325
@queenpangaea3325 2 года назад
Scott Air Force Base, Pere Marquette Park, and Eckert's Apple Orchard are in Illinois, too. What's your point?
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