In Neuvillettes intro ( on the Genshin website by the Offical account ) it says “he who looks down on all who are haughty” referring to a bible verse about Leviathan who is depicted as a sea serpent or sea dragon. Fun fact, the Leviathan is also named as “The King of all Sea life.”
It would make more sense for Kokomi to be more related to Orobashi instead of the Hydro Dragon. Her constellation is similar to Watasumi Islands shape that Orobashi made. She is a reluctant leader just like Orobashi, but she tries her best anyways for the people that chose her. Plus, she wasnt allowed in Enkanomiya, maybe because of possible danger due to being so similar to Orobashi that the vishaps might see as a MAJOR threat. With Genshin's themes of samsaras and things repeating in slightly different ways, Kokomi being related to Orobashi instead of the Hydro Dragon just makes more sense.
@@mbuhhh3605 This would make so much sense though, two sides of the scale, a justice scale (the oratrice) has two sides. Fontaine is elevated above the map by 300 meters, Sangonomiya is sinking and Enkanomiya is lower than Teyvat. Kokomi's constellation is of a sleeping dragon, Neuvillette is of an awake one. Fontaine even has two sub elements pneuma and ousia, with Furina's eyes being split to show two sides. Literally EVERYTHING points to the existance of two human forms / hydro dragons, one who's active and awake (Neuvillette), the other who is dormant and asleep (Kokomi, who also falls asleep during her quest). Hoyo lore wise are so big brain if this is true
@@ricksanchez7849 I don't want hints I need one to one clear concise word of mouth or dialogue that he is the dragon. Like how we got confirmation of who venti and zhongli where near the end of their quest gonna need that same thing for neuvi other wise he's just another species like Klee or Diona is
The marketing for Neuvillette nowadays seems to be leaning towards this particular reveal (him being the Hydro Sovereign) and I'm cautiously excited for the big reveal! I really adore Neuvillette's character in the new archon quests, him being the Hydro Dragon would be insane! Loved the video btw, was intrigued all the way! Edit: And it has now been confirmed! Neuvillette is the Sovereign of Hydro!
Sad kokomi noises, also I just noticed we didn't get electro dragon in inazuma so we still lack electro pyro and cryo sovereigns and aloy is a descender, by definition, unfortunately.
Apep previously mentioned that there are other dragon sovereigns who resided with the Gods and humans. Considering that the game always tease or give clues regarding future events, I firmly believe that Neuvillete really is the Hydro dragon sovereign.
About Dvalin, from what I recall the traveller can/could ask Apep about him and the reply is something about Dvalin being a young fool that follows the new order of the heavens instead of oposing it like the older ones like Apep. I can possibly see 2 things from this, 1 Dvalin is very young (dragon wise) and 2 Dvalin following Venti as one of the 4 winds is seemingly viewed by Apep as something he did as a idotic youthful thing, almost as if Dvalin doesn't have much living experience (dragon wise) most likely due to him being so young and there not being that many dragons left to teach him, so Dvalin just joined the first friend he made. Also the danger Apep poses is from the dendro power Apep has stored over the years, most likely it was Apep's way of trying to get stronger to fight the heavenly order, Nahida mentioned that Apep consumed dendro power to grow, and probably continued doing do after getting hurt/changing/adapting to the desert (going from green to brown) and the hurt being due to as Apep mentioned the nail falling from the heavens (can't recall if hit Apep directly or the impact explosion created a shock wave that hurt Apep into hiding. Zhonglic's dragon from could just be another from he made, just like his other ones he's had when he wants to walk amoung humans, as the archon he could have wanted to look powerful and thus took the form of a dragon, Keqing mentions that during the last time he made an decent he joined them at a table and feasted on food, sounds human like, this is also where she first questioned his divine rule as the archon and he lauged at her and told a joke about it, he most likely took a dragon from on traveling between realms and changed to a humanoid one to walk and talk with the humans in Liyue.
Aw man, I love the deep dive into the Genshin's dragons! I feel like often they're a bit overlooked by genshin lore channels, which makes sense, since we know so little of them. Buuut the connections to the gnosic myths and Noah's Arc are very much compelling, and I'm glad you have them the much needed spotlight, in turn giving much more possibilities and context to the lore of the seven Sovereigns, which in turn makes them oh so much more interesting. Also, this really makes me hyped for Neuvilette's story, especially giving his alleged power and the possible lack of a vision (and also the eyes, but there are characters like Baizhu who also have snake-ish pupils without much depth into it) I mean, either that or he's connected to the Fontaine Otters but who really knows at this point- Also also, i know that people have different opinions on that, but all the AI art is killing me ;w; Don't get me wrong, I know that finding enough background footage for a 40+ minute video is though, but it just feels.. uncanny Plus, there are many of artists' interpretations of the gnostic and biblical myths. Maybe not so with the sovereigns, since they are still niche characters in the story of genshin, but it's not like there isnt big dragon artwork on the internet. As i said, I know it is some extra work, but i think it's worth it. Aaand I Imagine that as long as you credit the artists, like putting their name in the corner of the video, nobody will complain about it really Buut still, I loved the video nonetheless, and well, I wish you all the best ^^ (and apologies for my little rant there-)
I recommend tales of teyvat podcast for deep dives of very specific things that also bring up these smaller parts of the big picture to put things in to context they're very good about it and being fun and silly at the same time . They also post an artist of the week on there lil website if you wanna see fan art with sources
41:40 what do you mean we haven’t seen Neuvillette with a cane? The trailer footage you used literally shows him pounding his cane into the ground. Lol
Another thing about the dragons is that the HMC has a power thats close nuevilettes, the balls. I think all the power the MC has are actually the power of the dragons, look at AMC he cast a tornado and devalin is able to summon a tornado
I absolutely enjoyed listening to this while playing the game I gotta say a lot of the base lines you set for a lot of the story are so much more unique to the ones I'm used to hearing so far from other content creators. I'm looking forward to more longer form videos! Amazing work!
I loved this video so much ❤ I just wanted to out up a couple other possible sovereign dragons up for debate. There's "lore" that there was another dragon in Liyue who's "body" can be found in Qingce. I believe the quest was Chi of Guyun it might have been changed I completed it years ago now so my memory is fuzzy. [Spoilers for 4.0 ahead cX] Also, there's an island named Elynas in Fontaine that has us complete a quest related to the Melusines where we find out the "father" of the Melusines is "Elynas". The island is similar to Yashiori & has a giant skeleton visible. From the dialogue in the quest I would not be surprised if "Elynas" was the hydro sovereign.
Thank you for the heads up! I had forgotten about the Chi of Yore. I do plan to spend some time with all the updates 4.0 has provided and release an update to this video. So I really appreciate the heads up on where to look next!
I'm pretty sure the geo sovereign is Azhdaha. He had lived longer than ZL and ZL even said that at full strength he would still not have an easy time with Azhdaha. And we all know the sovereigns strength are on par with the archons.
you’re a really talented video creator but i have to admit that the ai art makes me uncomfortable too ;; it’s your channel and your choice but i’d so much rather just see in-game footage or credited artwork by real artists
In the archon quest navia said tht u dont understand human emotions nuvellette and also i notice tht he said "humans" before marcel is goin to the fountain so i confirmed tht he is the hydro dragon and also it rains in fontain when he cries/sad and im very sad abt tht also lol but hes my fav character
27:19 All we know from the story quest is that according to Zhong Li said that most Geo life forms in Teyvat and I quote are blind because they had been in the dark for a long time; And that he bestowed it with a pair of eyes; which might mean that he restored his vision using elemental energy; and since dragons are subject to erosion; he might have forgotten that he had sight in the first place
Very interesting! I hope we get more lore drops in upcoming patches, I'd love to know more about the dragons. (On the topic of the video itself however, I must point out that the use of AI imagery just completely took me out. The amount of times I realised I'd missed what you said because I was focused on the uncanny valley of it all and how the fingers transformed into thumbs was a lot. For future videos I'd suggest using real imagery more often :) )
Yes that.... And with how old he is, are when his early day theres another mix-dragon as himself. Or he just a special case. And are the Sovereign a pure race dragon (western &/ eastern).
This is my first video I've watched of yours! Really keen to see more! I did watch this video in two sittings, if that helps. Really appreciated the chapter break down!
People are saying that he doesn’t have understanding about Humans. Remember when he was questioning what makes Humans have the instinct to live, but he was proven wrong when meeting Vacher. He has to be a dragon. Then again it could be just a simple thing
During the ruling and giving the final verdict in the archon quest I saw Neuvillette with a cane standing up. And after doing the quest Im leaning towards the direction that he is the hydro dragon
All I know for sure is that according to the melusine outside the opera, Neuvillette is hundreds of years old, so if he's not the hydro dragon described in the book from enkanomiya he mist be some kind of other creature. "Though we haven't seen Neuvillette with a cane" literally a few seconds before in the video 41:32 he stamps his cane on the ground. Also, I appreciate the attempt to have something for the gnostic stuff in the background, but I hate that it's AI art.
Zhongli 6th constellation refers to a spirit of gold, which was a child of Zeus, paired with what you said and the “demoted prince” thing I’ve heard of in the past, I’m starting to wonder if he is directly related to 1st Celestia or something else. Descender definitely and it could relate to that quest where he says he tried recording history in stone and now passes the memory of Teyvat unto traveler(or sth like that). Wouldn’t be surprised if they’d be related either. Who knows, but sometimes he gave me emperor vibes and he could originally represent the yellow dragon(given he had a golden form which he gave to humans) and the yellow dragon is also representing the emperor/center of the cardinal point, and looking at Azdaha seal on the ground and his back symbol on his coat it could be both the cardinal point with center but the back symbol representation also looks like the Norse symbol of Gungnir, Odis’s spear or another name for Gungnir, “spear of heaven”, which makes me think of the legend of halberd and irmin;sometimes I thought maybe he relates to pangu(also born of an egg like phanes so I’m implying something but I don’t have much basis on it except for his constellation), honestly he just gives me son of god vibes from all these things, but that’s just my obscure theory; don’t know if the archons follow the real ones, there’s a virtue versus sin about them and I know there’s a version of Tower of Babel with archons not accepting humans ruling themselves and so they destroyed it, and that doesn’t sound like the archons of Genshin, considering venti and Zhongli, but they also seem to have a slight link to the 7 enka children story(sometimes they do feel like some children puppets placed to rule at convenience, ignorant of some things), but idk man Zhongli is a mystery and I hope we can one day find out where who and what about him. Definitely agree Traveler be the savior, but seems archons like venti and Zhongli might know and maybe do try helping, they don’t seem to have any I’ll intent towards the traveler. Also, the story of Noah and being saved is very similar to the Sumerian myth of Enki and Enlil, the two sons of An, where enlil wanted to drown humanity(and he did and all the gods later felt sorry i think), but a man survived with making a boat because Enki warned him about the flood. A lot to unpack in there more than I can write. Sumerian lore is vast and full of….let’s call it crazy stuff(Gilgamesh and Ishtar should probably be the more famous story). They are also called fallen ones though. But I think genshin might have touched upon some Sumerian lore too here and there. And definitely feeling Kokomi could be the hydro sovereign. at least from her hints. there's a new side quest in Fontaine with an artist Melusine though, that seems to point to another hydro vishap, not sure if sovereign, but she tells a few interesting things. Loved the video❤
Neuvi is definitely the Hydro Sovereign not Kokomi. The whole 2 Archon Quests literally provided hints, and just by the prophecy alone in Enkanomiya that the reincarnation uses a cane, Neuvi is the Hydro Sovereign.
honestly i really hope theres still a chance for kokomi to be the hydro sovereign and not neuvilette 😭 its probably a 100% chance its him but imo kokomi fits the vibe more and the lore surrounding her and enkanomiya and orobashi... i feel like itd be a missed opprotunity with all those connections! even if its him, itd still be cool for kokomi to be another dragon or something... i may be coping hard but idk
god it would've been so cool if she was but...... i really don't think so. i'm so disappointed honestly her character would've gotten just a little better after what they did in 2.1
Kokomi does not fit the vibe most, she fits the vibe more of a beta fish. Neuvilette fits the hydro sovereign way more, the style, the authority and that fact that it rains in Fontaine when he is feeling emotional. I follow the leaks and it's highly likely he is the hydro dragon.
@elizabethsolorio9837 she has more going for her with enkanomiya and orobashi but fair, how I saw it was that if the dragon came back as a human it could of chilled out since it and just lived life since neuvilette seemed way too on the nose to be a primal dragon who ruled before teyvat existed lol
the ORGIANL dragon sovereigns (those that submitted to celestia, unlike apep) are technically no more, but they still exist. The next set of dragon sovereigns will reincarnate as humans or whatever other form they take. it is still possible kokomi is simply a human reincarnation of the hydro sovereign. though she has to remain biologically pure anyhow. anyway, it doesn't mean the original dragon sovereigns can't coexist with their reincarnations once they became celestia's bitch
I remember a quest in Inazume, where they talk about the one that sleeps under the islands,as a warning no to wake it up. Could it be the electro dragon?
Very well researched in regards to the underlying mythology. I have a few points that may be of interest and worth further investigation. - I believe the Primordial One is supposed to represent the concept of the Monad in Gnosticism. This would be the most logical assumption, if the Sovereigns are indeed meant to be the Aeons. The question is more of which character is based on Ialdabaoth, the Demiurge. - While the theme of emanation is central to Gnosticism, the Decenscion is an allusion to Christ. The reason I am confident in this assertion is due to the Traveler having a sibling. Look into the Gospel of Thomas and the Jesus twin theory. - The concept of Primordial Albedo is a reference to Adam Kadmon from esoteric Jewish tradition. Prior to the creation of physical man, God created what is essentially the spiritual archetype of man. When it states in Genesis that God created man in his own image it has a dual meaning. The earthly Adam was modeled after the Spirit of Man - which was made in the likeness of God. - Paracelsus' theories on homunculi are largely based on the work of Jabir ibn Hayan. The Arabic term for bio-alchemy and the creation of life is "takwin".
With Durin, I believe the name "Humus" is actually referring to soil. Specifically the organic part made up of decomposed leaves, bark, etc. It would make sense if he was used to dispose Rhinedottir's failed creations... It also matches with Albedo being referred to as Chalk. Which according to Albedo's lore entries, "soil" and "chalk" are involved in the creation of life, specifically human life.
this is such a great analysis i really love it, i don’t like the theory that neuvi is the hydro dragon since i’m so used to kiko being the hydro sovereigns
@@orishahari doubt Elynas is a creation of Rhinedottir, I think the game is setting up Elynas to be Neuvillette’s past life since it’s implied that the hydro dragon was the paternal origin of the Melusines and Melusines often refer to Elynas *and* Neuvillette as ‘father’.
Ok but can someone please explain to me why we think Primordial Albedo is alive? After Albedo tells us that he needs to kill Pri-Albedo otherwise he will continue to come back, the video shows (our) Albado brandishing his sword in his cave before moving out to take out primordial Albedo in the sort of 'him or me' scenario he set up. Later we see our Albedo back in Monstad joking about maybe not being the real one - but it turns out he definitely is. This joke only works because the Traveler and Paimon knows what he set out to do and the idea that pri-Albedo might have been the one to come out on top. What part of this scenario suggests that Pri-Albedo is still alive?? Is there a later part that I missed?
It must not be fun trying to make sense of this games garbled mess of a story, Genuinely great work. Its somehow painfully color by numbers whilst also being cacophonous to an existentially threatening extent.
Omg, I've looking so long for someone to actually give such amazing analysis and lore explaining.. hope this blow up and you continue to present more of your work.
Ok that is great and all but.... How does the sustainer of heavenly principles fit into all of this. Nahida said that "the entity which calles itself the heavenly principales is the first descender" so is the sustainer the primordial one or is she one of the four shades of the primordial one or is she something else completely different. We know that her demon name is asmodeus and the distraction of the civilization with in the chasm might have been her doing bur that is it.
I want to know who or what is the pet for hydro archon? It seems neuvilette is totally another party/the governing party of fontaine and not furina pet.
If you mean a familiar then perhaps none, the oceanids were Egeria's familiars but they all left 😂 That sucks i wonder how focalors felt when the oceanids just dipped on her.
@@PoisonVision22A while back, I heard a theory about two archons governing the justice of Fontaine, one for the poorly treated and one for the rest of the nation, I think Neuvileete and Foçalor are two sides of the same coin, and I think with the way they act presently shows that, Neuvilette always follows the law but he is in fact still has sympathy and shown signs of remorse for the people he judges, as shown by his interaction with Navia about her father the rain falls like tears or dismay, I haven't played 4.0 yet cuz I have nothing to play it on... Tho have watched some clips here and there But in the trailer, she sounded more interested in the twists of a trial than the fair trial itself.
I think she IS the archon, just not really the one in charge of structuring decisions since Neuvillette does it for her, most likely because he's more experienced than her, or had lived longer even through the previous leadership of Amrita (the previous hydro archon). A melusine also said that Neuvillette had been with the melusines since hundreds of years ago. Furina is more likely to be overwhelmed with her current position after the death of the previous hydro archon, she fits the bill of a "young girl who's forced to bear a position above her capabilities with her own people pressuring on her"
to all the "invisibility" topic. Remember that during the whole Fontaine mission, Paymon keeps having misterious events " i did not drink my fonta! why did it dissapear?" " i did not eat my Macaron! I Promise! it's ok, just bake some more".
IMHO as Genshin's lore is confusing enough using the unreliable narrator method It'll be more helpful for the vid to only talk about Genshin lore and avoid explaining "similarities/comparisons" with other lores and it blurs the line of the narrative and at times it's confusing for most ppl to try to understand is this part about Genshin or other Lores It's a really good video and I really liked it just thought that if u can make it more palatable it'll reach a wid3r audience
I wanted to give you a like for a nice lore video but the AI pictures made me reconsider. It's not fine to use something that rips off artists in your video.
Now, I myself can't really bring insights to the lore. But I can bring speculations. While, as an avid DnD player, I'd love to claim that the Hydro sovereign's name is Tarasque, the appearance of Tarasque is very different from the (leaked) appearance of Neuvillette constellation. Other prominent dragons of French mythology include Peluda which suffers from the same problem as Tarasque: body structure, Gargouille and Graoully. Then again, Azhdaha proves that body composition might be irrelevant, and the hydro dragon/Neuvillette really is Tarasque The Cryo Sovereign's gotta be Zmei Gorynych
It's a good way for me to add visuals for the non-Genshin topics without using artwork against a creator's wishes, but if it bugs enough people I can look into alternatives.
@@PoisonVision22 truthfully it doesn’t look good and it has very questionable ethics. It makes me uncomfortable but if you stick with it that’s fine I’ll just head elsewhere (respectfully)
@@user-bc8xj5fv8cai created images are based upon references taken from the internet, usually without professional and independent artists' consent, in order to teach the machine how to draw. It's essentially art theft... Not to mention they're usually free. Meanwhile most artists are forced to commission works that take them hours to make for 20$ if they wanna build a portfolio and have any hope of finding a stable job. We're already underpaid and devalued by default, and free "Nice images" only make things harder for us.
@PoisonVision22 from an artist: Please look into alternatives. It's not like there aren't other free ones: you can literally just screencap a standing genshin character of your choice, like Ashikai and Silicon do. If you really want to use images: Please commission artists and properly credit them. Alternatively, you can use continue using images from books and Wikipedia. Don't forget to credit them. I left this video playing on the background because I enjoyed your theory crafting. However, if this is the only solution you can arrive to, I'll be unable to support you and unsub. AI generated images literally take the work of my people. I haven't had a job since covıd began. We're already starving enough as a working class as is. Edit: in sum, ai generated images are art theft at its core and hurts our class. Their very core algorithm already uses artwork against a creator's wishes, so if this is what you needed to hear to motivate you, then I hope it's the catalyst for your change.
