What Happened To Lillia? - Why NO ONE Plays Her | League of Legends 

Lilia stood by me when I was bad at League. I will stand by her when she is off-Meta. Fear the Deer.

Petition to make Vars say Lillia's W ability name.

Lillia was the first champ for me that felt good. I finally found someone who i wanted to play no matter the matchup no matter the meta. She can go top or mid or jungle and ive even carried as lillia support. I love this silly little deer so much and im glad no one plays her because i KNOW shes so annoying to fight.

My solution would be a damage reduction that affects champs already affected by her passive. She could take a certain percentage less damage from champs that are burning from her passive, that way she still needs to engage to be most effective, but her duelling gets stronger so when she re-engages she doesn't get blown up

As a main Lillia, with 150k mastery points, I must say that I appreciate that Lillia is not a common pick, so I can enjoy playing her and dominate with her better.

I still remembered how my Lilia got overshadowed by Yasuo 2.0 and didn’t get any cinematic !!!

i have been playing lillia since her release, and i can say my favorite thing about playing her is that she DOES NOT have an abilitie to protect her, there is no magic button that will save your life, its just you and your move speed, this might sound bad, but it is so satisfying to dodge everything just by moving instead of using the "outplay button" that most skirmisher/assassin have, it makes me feel that I did an amazing play, not the champion. I have 3 tips for new lillia players that i think will make you enjoy the character a lot more: 1. try ignite instead of flash, i know it sounds like i am inting but hear me out, lillia doesn't have any immediate cc or damage that require flash, the only advantages that flash gives you is a 5 minute cooldown escape in the earlygame and easier 5 man ultimates in the late game. ignite allows you to get early kills thanks to the extra damage is basically like hitting an extra q, negates healing (there is a lot of healing right now), reveals enemies, and it has a lower cooldown, so trading your ignite for an enemy flash is always worth, also, it doesn't wake enemies up, so feel free to burn sleeping enemies. 2. stop forcing a 5 man ultimate, use your ult to assessinate 1 or 2 players and then go get some objectives, 5 man ultimates are super cool but it is not your only win condition, you can always just sleep one enemy carry, one shot him with your ignite, and then fight a 5v4, sleeping fewer people also has the advantage that it makes it easier for your team to focus one guy. 3. There is no "official" build, try different runes and items, some times dark harvest is good, sometimes conqueror is better, and sometimes predator is the best, try different stuff against different champions and see what works for you.

I still play her. I love her hit and run playstyle, speeding around the rift being uncatchable and still doing lots of damage. I love her voicelines and personality too. She’s just so fun for me lol

You should be aware that Lillia was specifically designed to be a niche champion, a pocket pick, played by only a few. She's basically hitting the expected mark. And as a jungler, she's not that low, too many of them have low pick rates

Draven Draven likes Lilia when she is in my games. When her BONK just decimates the skull of *zreal is really satisfying.

I currently main Lillia and have been a Lillia OTP in the past. I can say with quite a lot of confidence that most of Lillia’s problems are solved by not going either full tank or full squishy. Going with a Riftmaker setup with Demonic embrace and tank items like Deadman’s is absolutely the best way to play her and completely solves her problem of being incredibly squishy by just brute forcing her to be tanky.

The most frustrating thing about playing lillia is when you hit a perfect ult but your support Janna just auto attacks the adc, right before your bonk goes off and they get away. I think it would be cool if lillia would get some kind of percent damage reduction the more stacks of her Q passive she has, what means that as long she is fighting and running around she is hard to kill but as soon as the movement speed wears off she would be back to being a squishy carry again.

IMO, after the items changes in 2021 preseason, her core item (liandrys) no longer gave hp, making her way squishier than the other duelists, at the point that riot needed to gave her a passive sustain, since the new liandrys came, people just go with the standart lillia build (dark harvester + double mask) and expect it to work every single game, this champion is so versitile with the items she can build but no one seems to try new stuff and just complain about whatever counterplay her, if you're against a comp with 2 tanks with hard cc and an assassin that one shot you, what do you think liandrys is supposed to do? try to go conquer with Riftmaker + Fronzen heart and/or Spirit visage instead of complaining about dying without being able to move. if you're against 3 adcarrys/mages you can't even keep close to them to properly use liandrys, try running ludens and one shot'em before they kill you instead of complaining about being outranged.

They could make lillia’s E have a slight push back displacement so that it can interrupt dashes. That would make her a lot harder to get on top of During team fights and skirmishes especially by other high mobility champs. That would in turn make her feel less vulnerable without getting rid of any skill expression.

For me the solution is all done Just add to her passive that she gains armor and magic resistance for each affected enemy And if only riot could give her back her movement speed at the beginning of the game I'd miss it I understood that it was a champion of endgame that people don't like to play against and it's sad (I don't count the number of times I got insulted playing lillia)

I always felt like lilia's w was the most underwhelming part of her kit. A mini dash that kinda slows her down becuase it is so slow compared to her movespeed... If her w could act like a mini janna ult in the sense that everyone hit by the w also gets knocked back could be a way to make her more reliable

Lilia feels like a very extreme overcorrection of other high speed high tempo champs such as Hecarim and Kayn but like you mentioned, AP Bruiser itemization is utter dogwater. even before the item rework in S11 made things even worse like how Mordekaiser is still recovering from the lost of his combo of Liandry/Rylais/Protobelt and it’s a similar story for similar champs.

i love playing lillia and i love how no one plays her sadly her biggest counters are point and click abilities or right clicks because sadly they are undodgable even when you have 700 ms and to make her less squishy overall it would be great to give her extra armor and magic resist based on her movement speed .

Honestly, I used to play Lillia religiously ever since her release. Sure i mostly used her in the top lane, but she was essentially the first champion that got me to transition into being able to handle myself in the jungle. Up to the point where I made her a fallback champ to play when I doubt myself or if I just wanna play around and have fun. I was initially kinda sad when her mini rework came around but at the end of the day, I enjoyed, and still do love using Lillia today. She's been fun and that's all I ask for in league, mainly because the first rule of league is that we're not allowed to have fun, period. it's either tryhard (which gets draining for me) or get your shit kicked in (self explanatory). If Lillia were to get any change though to improve her as a champ (presumably quality of life changes or just a small change), I'd commit that change to her base stats. Not give more AP or anything, but rather give her a bit more base health/armor/mr or tweak her growth per level. I personally think the former would be better as a change to the flat, base stat provides more stability without bulking her up too much. Might just be me though.

I basically onetrick lillia and agree with most of your statements in this video. She is a very niche champion and a very hard one to play, because messing up often means death because you are very squishy with the popular liandris build. Lillias lategame damage on full ap is insane, but you get killed with 2 auto attacks by an adc so she heavily relies on zhonyas and flash to be relevant. This is why a lot of challenger players and a part of the community, myself included, like to go another build wich fixes most of her weaknesses. Besides AP lillias damage scales really hard with abillity haste, because her relatively high base damage + the burn allow you to still deal a lot of damage if you just hit your q very often while staying alive. Conq + Riftmaker Frozen heart and spirit visage/cosmic drive make you very hard to kill an catch, while you dish out a lot of damage and cant get oneshot anymore, which makes your damage and sleep potentail a LOT more consistent. It still requires good kiting but it works really fawntastic and tankiness especially early in the game gets the job done and allows you to skirmish very long and snowball hard. If your fed get an mejais in there and deer lord, your unstoppable. In my opinion this is the way lillia is supposed to play right now and it just feels natural an nice. A part why this build is so much better is that the current ap items (as vars mentioned) arent as good for lillia. New demonics is really bad, liandries gives no tankiness and zhonyas as a basically must have second buy is extremely good for ult plays but delays a lot of your damage. Maybe if the items change her ap build will get better but as it is the true bruiser/tank build outshines it. If you are thinking about picking up lillia: do it! Nobody plays her because she is broken, but because she is extremely fun. I wouldnt be playing league as much anymore if she didnt exist. Zooming around the map, kiting enemys and getting clutch plays with your ult feels so satisfying, I almost always have fun playing her, even when we are losing. And her being unpopular is a big + for that, because you are almost never banned/contestet and many people dont know your damage. So good luck have fawn in your games!

I honestly find success with her, she's like the type of champions that seem like no one plays, but you meet that one main and they completely destroy the game. If anything, it's good that she isn't cause it means people may forget what she does. And remember, that movement speed of hers can be pretty oppressive if she gets it rolling. To be fair, demonic embrace used to give defensive stats, which is apart of her build, and then they for some reason decided to make it dmg only. It sucks cause another defensive item besides zhonyas was just what champions like her needed, the health-to-damage change on Demonic doesn't really help much if you don't have the health to really utilize it, it's only really effective on champions like Vlad who's passive literally does the same and gives him more health, or Mord who can go tank, naturally has scaling health, and can take the stats of tanks if he kills them in his ultimate.

Lillia has overtaken everyone in my champ pool as my go to jungler. Once you learn her limits and get a feel for spacing well for her Q she can be an absolute beast.

Lillia is a kite melee mage that exists in a game with a crazy amount of engage and dashes. She was always doomed to fail unless her numbers were overtuned.

Also remember that Yone came out just 2 weeks later after her plus the animation to tease him released 2 days after her so I feel like that is why not too many people play her. She may be inconsistent but she was basically forgotten 2 days in since Yasuo 2.0 was being teased.

I’m no master of balance, but thematically, a passive where enemy champions hitting her makes them “sleepy” and lowers their attack speed would be cool, and would make it so that in teamfights you’d go out of your way to start attacking her last

My idea was to give Lillia magic resist and armour dependent on her speed. The more speed she has, the less tanky she is, the less speed the tanker. This would allow for a lot more versatile gameplay and usage of different items and more fun :)

I honestly love Lillia’s kit. She was my first main and her kit really suits me. I’m not the biggest fan of being in the middle of a fight so hitting people and running away with the passive is just so fun

AHH THE SOUNDTRACKS. gj vars on choosing these cool background music :)

Lillia is my pocket pick and i cant wait to see this video, keep up the great work vars, and cant wait for your ionia video

I learned to play Jungle with her while she was offmeta at the beginning of season 11. She is and will be my main champion cause I really enjoy teaming up with her. Besides, I‘m focusing on being consistent with her and she carried me through my bad jungling. I will stand with her, despite it’s sometimes hard to have impact in the game with her.

I would love to see an in-depth look at AP bruisers as a class. Tanky AP has always been my favorite archetype and I feel like it's always been really underserved by items.

I never found any of these problems when I played lillia. I found her movements speed to be enough to keep her alive against enemies that can't cc you for a century and also I thought her damage was a lot more than enough to make up for her lack of defensive options even in the early game.

Defensively speaking Ghosting is incredibly underrated. Adding Ghosting passively to her kit and adding the ability for her to dash a short range by recasting her R during the wind-up would change her playstyle a ton.

I think you could give her some sort of movespeed -> ap ratio so you feel less bad about buying things like FoN or DMP as tank options. She has enough damage in her kit, just no way to stick to people to apply it while not dying

Since she kinda revolve around sweet spots, make it so her passive only heal when hitting the truedmg q/crit w/direct hit with the snowball. But actually make the healing meaning full

I still don't understand how you're not at 500k yet, your vids are so well put together/thought out it's on par with Nickyboi, or even Necrit. Well done as always man, praying for your success.

Lillia defensive tool is her movement speed. Giving her some kind of typical beefy defense would make her less punishing, but probably broken unless they gut her speed, which is the entire reason to play the champ

Maybe the more speed she has she gains armor and mr similar to hecarim but more defensive , they’d probably have to get rid of the heal and revert her passive nerf this could possibly work

So much in depth knowledge I really like your videos!

Really love your content man. Also editing is so good. I can listen to your voice for hours 😆. Keep up the good work

I can’t get mad while playing lillia. So i play lillia. “Time to out trot my awkwardness!”

2 years later and lillia is a soloqueue monster lmao

As my fav champ, I must say that something simple is more than enough to make her better at survivability, since in my opinion a good E is already an effective defensive tool if used right. I would add something like a knock-back on the contrary direction to where you cast your W. Like a knock back from her jump, a push with her legs or something like that, which would allow her to escape heavy engages from an enemy melee champ, and at the same time making W even more of an interesting hability, in the sense of having to learn to keep it for an offensive strike with crit or a getaway tool, depending on the situation. I hope I explained myself. In any case, I think she is so fun to play when you get a hang of her rhythm . Good vid, keep it up!

if you wanted to go the route of something similar to hecarim, you could increase the range of her Q and W based on movement speed up to a cap, so the faster she is the more range she has to kite with to let her dip in and out of attack range

I don’t think Lillia needs any adjustments, she’s in a really good spot right now. I think the biggest issue right now for her is going into meta champs like Viego, xin, and any other fighter that just closes the gap and tries to end the fight as fast as possible. Most ppl just go the default build of DH + double burn and expect to kill AD and AP champs which out range and burst her. Right now there’s not a lot of variation with lillia and her build which really just makes lillia look one dimensional despite her being able to build alternative items and do more if not the same amount of dmg in comparison to her default build. Bc of the liandry changes I build rylais 1st since it gives lillia even more power in 1v1s and early team fights. If the enemy team has alot of squishy high dmg champions build burst instead of DOT so that you have a chance. If the enemy team is full of front line champions which counter lillia build tank items like dead man’s and force of nature so that you can go into a fight and survive. The truth is ppl are to afraid to experiment Bc of how toxic this game can be and because of that things as simple as item optimization is made difficult due to anything different from her default items being “troll”

When will the Evelynn video be released ? 🙂

to answer the question at the end, a good escape tool would be to be able to blink over to wherever the seed lands. that way it can be used short distance quickly and long distance would take more time

I think it would be interesting if Lilia would gain resistances based on the amount of enemy champions burning with her passive. This will likely help with her not getting one shot when she manages to do something like a flash q on 5 people.

As a Lillia main since her release, I already know everything that will be said in this video, yet I'm curious how you will describe that "rework" of hers

They killed her for me with the rework

They could include an effect in her passiv that enemies that have been damaged by it for an extended period of time get tired and lose between 10% and 30 % MS for as long as her passiv is on them. Additionally or instead, it could say that they deal substantial less damaged to Lilia the longer they have been damaged by her passiv and the cap scales with her R. e g. We reduce her range to Melee so that she synergies better with Conquer and Demonics. Her new Passiv would apply itself up to 10 times on the enemy instead of once. It deals now 1%/1.5%/2% Max health Magic damage per stack, reduces the damage enemies deal to her by 1%/3%/5% per stack and slows them by 1%/2%/3% per stack, scaling with her R rank.

Fixing Lillia's vulnerability seems really difficult but I think a small quality of life thing would be to make it so she constantly heals health after casting her ult which ramps based on how many people are affected and ends soon after they all wake up since, in her lore, she's putting people to sleep to heal her mother tree so I think it would be thematic

My suggestion: W should do more than just damage. It's coded as a dash, so make it a slow dash. Go over small walls, maybe. As for survivability ..... armor/mr as well has hp regen from enemies affected by P would be nice.

I feel like a way to tackle her squishiness would be to make it so that for every enemy champ affected be dream dust, lillia gains like 5% bonus armor/MR

I love the Ori score so much. Fitting for a Lillia related video.

Defensive tool: Damage reduction, MR, and Armor for each person affected by Dream Laden Boughs. So, it's a defensive tool similar to Leona W, but instead of being an activated ability it depends on you affecting enemies with your passive.

My guess is bc she is too reliant on the team to not fuck up her plau

Me: *who plays Lillia top whenever I see an immobile fighter* hehe

i say the defencive buff she needs is some form of speed to armor/magic resist, like a 2 bonus speed to 1 armor + 1 magic resist. it gives her bulk while able to still build ap. this allows her to take stuff like deadmans, cosmic drive, lich bane, ext. cause of the bonus movement speed

Maybe as you get movement speed stack with her Q , you could also had some mr and armor stack aswell. I'm not sure if it would be too much, maybe it would depend on the numbers.

Maybe give her a ~20% damage reduction while casting Q So it’s more skillful than just a shield

Maybe a health regen passive that scales with how fast she’s moving

You could turn her W into a get-off-me tool. Give it a targeting reticle like the last hit on Aatrox Q where the center deals full damage but the edge deals reduced damage with some knockback. It would give her just enough space to land a multi-hit q and use the ms to get out.

Hmm about her defensive tool, a passive that will increase her aa range on evey ability or aa hit to a set range and for limited fime feels like a cool passive that has never been interduced. Feels perfect for her play style.

Minirework made her boring and low skill cap. Heavy damage items arent needed as she has damage to kill every squishy after ulting in a matter of seconds, im a bit out of touch with league but when i played she just built riftmaker and conq which makes her immortal if ahead. The healing made her as tanky as tanks so shes far easier and the ms reduction takes a lot of fun away removing insane speed and damage for tankynes making her a more of a extended fights fighter then hit'n run super speed nuke bomb with insane TF. Coming back to why I think shes easier, theres no need to explain why resistant/tank champions are easier then the heavy damage ones, that is obvious. Ult sleep duration nerf deleted her combos, for example u could do something like: Q > R > Zhonya > (target still asleep) W > Q if an assasin jumps on u (10:07 that was a counter for those), and the teamfights have far less potential. As lowering difficulty is not a bad thing, i think that reducing satisfaction from combos and fun, original play style to a regular fighter in exchange for lowering difficulty just for low elo is sorta frustrating. That being said i am aware that my opinion is very arguable, maybe i was delusional the whole time i honestly like that thought

Say the name of the W Vars. *SAY IT.*

i've been enjoying tank conqueror lillia with rift maker and frozen heart ! it makes her so much tankier while still being super fast once you get cosmic. the conqueror passive has helped me survive bad matchups in the early game from the damage/healing alone, and with the new buffs coming to her passive healing i can see it being a very good build :3

Out of the newer Champs that you listed Lillia is my favorite. I rarely play her on SR. But I like getting her for ARAM or URF. Lots of fun there.

I would give her a passive called "Blessing of the Woods", her resistences (armor and mr) will rise with the movement speed, so she would survive a little longer in a group of enemies

The thing I enjoy about Lillia is how easy she is to kill. It makes every moment playing her intense. So I don't want to see her become tanky. I would add tenacity and slow resisit to her stacks. (Just emphasizes her skittish nature) And change her ult to a short stun where they take extra damage instead of a sleep. (Makes it less team relient)

I think something like Grave's blind mechanic would work well for Lillia, since it could act as her dream dust, putting opponents in a haze or something like that. Have it be the same window for her sleep, but have it linger for a bit so that she has a chance to move away. Only caveat being that she needs to meet the same condition as for her ult.

Give her some resistances based off bonus movement speed. Doesnt have to be alot but it would ensentivise the weaving in and out style as well as make her less squishy.

Why make this video? Everyone will play my one trick now :(

Lillia is my OTP. She is so fun, I wish people realized how good she is

A bit late but the build I have the most success with currently is liandry’s into demonic into full tank. Allows you to have decent dmg with the triple burn and building health with the demonic give you enough damage to be a threat

I think If her w made a hole in the ground that slowed and shortened the distance of movement abilities that would help her a good bit and be an interesting mechanic that doesn’t exist yet, not stopping movement but making it less effective, like GW but for dashes.

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I'd give her like a Samira wind wall that also has the Janna ult property of pushing people away. It would only last for 0.5, seconds or something else short, have like a 20 second cool down, and would only push people 250 units away or so. But it would be perfect for people that get right on top of her, so she could push them away right into the sweet spot range of her giant spin. I'd also lower the activation of her ult sleep. maybe down to like 1 or even 0.75 seconds.

So I am watching this very late, but I mained Lillia in season 12. I like your analysis, and I have a crazy idea that I wanted to put in writing. I think that there are 2 things riot should do. 1. bring her base speed and early speed scaling back up, to give her back that early game movement speed advantage. As of right now, it is there, but not significant enough for me not to rush tier1 boots anyways. It really hampers her identity and makes her too vulnerable early game as she can't even run away properly. 2. and this is the crazy one - make her w a conditional cleanse. Hear me out, the w already goes through slows (i.e. if you are slowed, your w will still move with normal speed) but what if you make it so that every 3rd w its a cleanse from everything but knockups? Or its a cleanse ONLY when you are full speed stacks. Something like that. This does a couple of things: it feeds into her identity as a slippery semi-squish champ, gives her a defensive tool against stuns and roots aside from her movement speed, but also doesn't make her overpowered by giving her the same bruiser capabilities as hekarim or red kayn with insane AP ratios. (Don't nerf her damage thats one of the main trade offs with her and i would almost ask to boost it back up a bit at this time.) I think this would solve her problems, give her some marketability as a "champ with an easy-ish cleanse" without adding something to her kit that completely derails her playstyle.

It’s probably to late but I’d say add a slow or stun for the inner part of her q so it’ll do less damage for a stun or slow and more for offense on the outer ring. This would add skill expression into that ability with a dual use

Rek'Sai and Lilia are my favourite junglers. Both super fun to play ♥

For her squishines, you could remove/reduce her passive healing and lower her dmg, but give her conditional dmg reduction, for instance when she dashes/jumps to someone(for her w) or when she fully stacked her q, and this dmg reduction would scale off her ms(4% dmg reduction / 100 ms, for instance)

I usually build Rift maker, then dead man’s, then either spirit visage or nature’s force, then a mana item like frozen heart or tear, then I can get warmog to get in fights, get out and heal up. Rift maker strikes the balance between tankiness and damage, you have health and healing, then if the fight goes longer, you can do further true damage on tanks.

I think that adding a shield is a good idea. However I think a conditional one would be much better. Fore example when she hits enemy champs with either her q or w sweet spot. It could also increase if she hits more than one champ, similarly to yone.

Bonus movement speed grants additional resistances. Keeps the to what I will dub the centaur theme of speed is good beyond the fact speed is good for tempo.

i think something that could work is if shed be able to stack her passive heal on each hit enemy by q that way people would need to be more afraid of engaging her (?) or maybe a heal on her ulti? (lorewhise because the people fall asleep and dream she regains health) that way she has some more sustain

Hi nice work with her. i'm main lilia jungle and i'm agree with all your point. For her survability i would give her two mecanic : first when she is full stacked she gain ghost. Second ennemy with dust inflic 20% less damage to her ( something like that). The new lyandry and the rework of demonic embrace at the start of the season really hurt her. Maybe adding a omnivamp ap item could save her.

When you said “give her a get off me tool” it made me think maybe it would be nice to give her something similar to jayces pushback on her W. Giving it similar execute damage would ensure that she still has a burst tool for when she has whittled her enemies down, but also a tool that would give less value when used to get enemies off of her. Depending on the #s you could also make it an AoE like syndra E

I think part of lillia's issue is not that she cant kite enemies, i still think she kites extremely well even if she doesnt have massive range, its that she can only kite enemies effectively at full stacks, meaning she has to use her entire spell rotation to start kiting at full effectiveness. this means that her defensive abilty takes time to become effective. generally this can be worked around, by engaging fights with ultimate, using the cc as a chance to get ur max stacks, and then kiting for the rest of the fight, but it makes her alot less versaitile than other skirmishers. hence her niche popularity

Put her current passive on her ultimate, they go hand in hand anyway(the heal early is negligible outside of clearing camps) and move the Q passive there+gain bonus AP based on AD thresholds. -----This lets her build certain AD items while still getting some AP, but prevents hybrid AD/AP or full tank Change her E to a charge like panth/pyke, press : regular long range poke/scout, held : consume her MS buff stacks to create an area that grants allies inside of it bonus armor/magic resist(flat/lvl, area increases based on stacks used) and slows down enemies. ------That doesn't remove her long range ult potential or single target poke/slow, but it adds value to keep fighting for a few seconds before having to run away with the speed again. This also makes her valuable without her ultimate, opening venues to items that give less or zero haste. Changing her passive was a bit of an oof to the early game, but that's how she is, strong late and meh before 6. An other option for E was to change it to an instant AoE that affects nearby enemies, reducing their attack speed and/or attack range and/or armor/mr and slowing them down(we all feel different in dreams...).

I was thinking in making her blooming blows a counter ability against basic attacks and maybe stuns in that way she can go close, hit and rum .

I think a neat way to give her make her more resilient would maybe be bonus health regen based on her current move speed, so as she attacks and ramps up her move speed she gets more drain-tanky, but has to successfully land her abilities to get that survivability.

One way to I.prove her survivability could be to increase armor and Mr based on number of nearby champion affected by her passive to be more rewarding for hitting a good q at the start of a fight.

Her passive can give her insta-healing when she attacks targets with dream dust on them to make her more durable ( the overtime healing is not removed)

I love playing Lilia so much but also can't argue with any of this. In solo if your team isn't paying attention or supporting your moves then you're just going to die until you're significantly equipped. I'd love to see W trade off some damage for a defensive buff (maybe for number of enemies hit with a higher bonus for center hits) or at least be something that can function as a movement tool. If it could propel you further away it would add to her ability to escape and engage, and since it has an extended and obvious start up it would still be able to be countered by those paying attention.

Rift maker and dead mans plate build does slap hard though

On her W, she becomes engulfed by a flower that makes her invulnerable then knocks back enemies to perfect distance for the slam. On her R -10% AP ratio,it dmg can proc 1/2/3 times from meaningful dmg, haste and dmging them lowers delay. E sends another seed if effected by dream dust from them.

I feel like you can do two things to help her out. One you can reduce the cooldown of E so it’s more spammable during drawn out team dancing/fighting over drag. OR completely rework her ult. I would make it so if no one has dream dust then the ult flings a dream dust hurricane at the enemy. Kinda like a ranata ult it would take more time for them to fall asleep and they would be asleep for less long. If they are affected by dream dust then just a shorter drowsy time. This might be op, so maybe the first one just makes them drowsy and slows and then if you land a another ability then they fall asleep. Idk 🤷🏻‍♂️

i dunno maybe when she Qs since the outside part deals extra dmg maybe the inside can push all enemies within its radius away? that could work also as a way to set up a sweet W or maybe they could give her armor/magic resist on some of her abilities like amumu

love the ori music in the background :’)