What Happened to Marth? Why NO ONE Plays Him Anymore | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 

They Nerfed his Grab Range

It’s so easy to do what you want to do with Lucina that playing Marth just feels like you’re intentionally handicapping yourself.

I've mained Marth since Melee until Ultimate. He's always been a reliable, efficient swordfighter until now, which is pretty sad to witness. I tried to make him work, but the meta unfortunately just wasn't kind to him. I ended up switching to Chrom pre-patch and Roy afterwards. The irony is I did play some Roy in Smash 4, but _he_ was the one who was inferior and mid-to-low tier, just like in Melee. How the turntables turn.

Melee marth does the ingenious action of leaning forward when he grabs, hence the length

Part of the many reasons why Roy’s sweet spots feel more consistent is also the fact that, unlike Marth, some of his moves have a “middle” hitbox that is almost as strong as his sweetspot. F-Smash and F-Tilt both have that.

The problem with making Marth's tipper a priority like Roys is that it _doesn't work._ If you made the tipper the priority hitbox then every hit would be near guaranteed to be a tipper. You'd have to be basically standing inside of Marth to get hit by the sour spot, and even then it would be difficult. Trust me... I've made Brawl moveset mods and the way hitboxes work are almost exactly the same. I once tried to give Luigi's side smash an electric sweetspot, and I had to give it lower priority otherwise every hit would be the sweetspot.

Giving Marth the sweet spot priority of Roy would "fix" things in a rather broken way. It *would* make Marth's tippers much more reliable, but it would do so by effectively turning most of his sword into the "sweet spot". Marth might even be able to connect tippers when pushing right up against larger opponents. That would throw of the design balance between Marth and Roy. Roy *has* to have his sweet spot have the highest priority, else he'd never trigger them. Marth is the opposite, giving his sweet spot the highest priority would make it so he triggers it even when he's really close. Though a possibly priority fix would be to make Marth's tipper the second lowest priority, while the hit box directly adjacent is the lowest priority. That would give Marth a bit more forgiveness, while still forcing Marth to keep his distance.

Marth feels like an unfinished character, ironically due to being a veteran. It seems that receiving incremental changes from game to game, games with different design philosophies, pacing, teams, etc. made all his moves balanced in unequal ways over time or added some bugs or weird stuff along the way. The more you dig into Marth’s frame data, moves damage and knockback values, hitboxes size and positioning, visuals of each move, etc. the more disparities you notice. Some moves seem bugged such as Side-B Up 4 not ever killing despite an in-game tip literally saying “this swing is excellent for netting some KOs!”. Then you look at its knockback values and they’re like 80 Base and 40 Scaling, which is completely backwards compared to all other moves, indicating the values were erroneously swapped and should have been patched. Fully Charged Neutral-B has smaller hitboxes than uncharged, which also makes no sense and seems like a bug. Back-Air is weak af relatively to Lucina. Back-Air hitboxes are also not slightly offset behind the sword like all his other moves, which makes the move whiff point blank more easily than it should to properly match the visuals. Could be for balance reason, but again it's inconsistent with his other moves. There are many more inconsistent or just illogical designs like these throughout his moveset, but these are only a few examples off the top of my head. Most are minor problems by themselves, but they add up. Now, most characters in this game probably lack that level of fine-tuning as well, including Lucina as good as she is. Thing is, those small problems are exacerbated on Marth due to being a “precision” character by design. In order for a precision character to work well, it needs precise and consistent hitboxes to work with. A lot of small smart changes here and there could have made Marth way better and consistent overall even in the “Ultimate engine”, but it seems they never took the time to polish him up.

Marth 🤝 Tyranitar Once great picks throughout many installments who have fallen from grace

I think you are underestimating what reversing the hit box priority would do for marth. His tipper becomes easier to hit than even roy's middle hits. F-tilt for example becomes a garenteed tipper on most grounded opponents. In order not get hit f smash, you would literally have to be touching marth's frame or be very short.

I think his tipper vs hilt hitboxes need to be less polarized for him to be successful in ult. In Brawl and Melee, landing his sourspot usually had its own merits and would even be ideal in some scenarios. Starting with sm4sh, the dmg/knockback gap became far too polarized to give his sourspot much use, and that only continued to grow in the transition to Ultimate

The risk/reward just isn't there - He's "too" fair. He's as good as you are, but in this meta where characters easily make you 2, 3, or 5x "better" than you really are, you're just volunteering to put in more effort than your opponent for less results :(

Ultimates engine is the problem, Marth's core design is actually insanely good and tbh, if his tippers worked perfectly I think Marth in ultimate would be hella busted, he's got so much raw power

Marth is just too precise for what you get in return for playing him. You have to outplay your opponent basically the entire match. He's an example of "working too hard for minimal reward".

Marth's "buffs" were also poorly handled. One of his best confirms was landing up air (sour) into tipper f smash from above. They made the tipper bigger on up air at the front and now it's far less safe to go for this confirm. As someone who mained Marth for over 12 years, into the first several years of ultimate, during my PR days, and finally demoted him last year cause he just isn't good enough (especially online), the way he was handled in ultimate pains me.

If Marth had priority on his tippers, he'd be the best character in the game and it wouldn't be close. You would EASILY be able to memorize the inconsistent hitboxes and then easily combo tipper to tipper with no problems. I hope someone can mod this into existence!

Here is the thing about melee, all of his tilts, dash attack, and most of his aerials have blade hitboxs in the middle. This blade hit box has the highest priority except for up air and down air where the tipper has the highest priority. Dolphin slash's tip also has the highest priority. Meanwhile nair, neutral b, and side b don't have a tipper mechanic. All of this vastly increases his consistency on hit. Marth's tipper hitboxes are also slightly bigger in general in melee. The bigger difference though is hitbox placement and it's effect on interpolation. In his f smash for example, the first active frame has the sword more vertical than ultimate. This means that there is less overlap in interpolated hitboxes to the second frame. The second frame has marth fully extending the blade so it is more parallel to the ground compared to the angle he is holding it in ultimate. This again makes for less overlapping when transitioning to the final active frame. Another thing that is important about melee marth is that he doesn't really need to hit tippers in the first place to get KOs. A lot of his KOs don't come from the side blast zones like in ultimate but instead from the bottom blast zone. Marth's goal is often just getting the opponent off stage to edge guard his opponent or getting a dair spike.

Collision is such an underrated topic of discussion in the conversation of just how much it actually changed 2 very similar games at first glance into 2 very different games mechanically, I think it's a significant underlying root of many problems with the game

Honestly feel like Marth has an incomplete moveset because of side B not being reliable. In Lucina's case I can depend on it sending the opponent decently far when trying to regain advantage but with Marth I'm just tickling them. Same goes for a lot of other moves but that one stands out the most.

Marth just feels like Sheik but with a sword. I know Sheik has some confirms and setups, but the meme about "Sheik can't kill" went on for so long for a very good reason - because it was true due to such abhorrent damage output. You hit the opponent 15 times and they end at 30% meanwhile with Wolf for example you hit the opponent 15 times and they're at 95%. Marth takes this concept into the realm of swordfighters in the sense that he just can't rack up the damage efficiently, but also can't close out stocks very well because of the tipper nonsense, and with no solid foundation or string to aim at consistently he suffers a lot. Like he's a lot of fun to play and I love that they've kept him in every title so far because I really enjoy having a character who I can look at and go "oh, I fundamentally know how to play him, even though this game's mechanics are kind of different." But with Ultimate Marth... idk man. It's hard to justify him over Lucina, even with the nostalgia goggles on. You have to play so so SO perfectly in order to get the same kind of mileage as almost any of the other swordies. To argue one of your points, you say that giving the tipper hitbox priority instead of the way it is now, would not change his overall gameplay or people's perception of him. I have to disagree pretty handily here. There are plenty of examples in video game history where a single buff or nerf completely kills a character or playstyle, or completely brings it back from the dead. The one that immediately comes to mind is that one mod for Smash Ultimate, I forget what it's called but it's like the Project M for Ultimate. Ridley is still a mid character for the most part, and so the mod devs decided to buff him a little bit by making his tail extend all the way out for his back air. This one single change rocketed Ridley to the top tiers in record time because it was basically Melee Jigglypuff bair on crack - twice the range, multi-hit, on a heavy, who has 3 jumps. If I'm remembering correctly, it's the only change to the mod that the developers have ever reverted because it was simply too strong. I think that giving tipper priority could be a way bigger buff than you're implying here. You already mention how great his frame data is compared to all the other swordies and his ground speed isn't that bad despite being floaty. A simple change could very well be what takes him over the edge and into the top tier conversation. He has a lot of potential but Nintendo simply declined this time. Really, the dream "what if" would be to change nothing else about him aside from a) giving the tippers priority, and b) unify the distance of them, aside from maybe f-tilt or something, for a little mix up. Either of these buffs would be incredible on their own, but put together Marth would rocket past Lucina, maybe Roy, and could land comfortably in S-tier. He'd have a similar matchup chart to Roy but could arguably get even more mileage out of the matchups he wins since he has overall better frame data generally, the tipper mechanic would be an immense reward, and you'd actually have strings to utilize the mechanic consistently, along with having the option to land the sour hits by keeping closer and carry the opponent across to the edge where the tipper would be most effective. Roy's upB is a surprise out of shield option and can be pretty explosive, but if Marth's tippers were all in better shape, his whole entire kit would be explosive. (This isn't to say I want Roy to be bad or anything, it's just the longtime standing comparison lol.)

honestly imo the biggest issue with Marth in Ult is that his sour spot hits have absolutely no kill power and dont do enough % to feel rewarding at all. Sometimes it actually feels like you're punished for hitting with the sour spot. You might think that forward smash at 130 will kill at ledge, but it doesn't. That back air at 50 near the edge of the screen? Nope. Sure his tippers are ridiculously strong, but his sour spots are ridiculously weak. I've always been a Marth fan, but Ultimate really gutted him. Sour hits have no use anymore like they used to. Somehow Melee did the character the best due to the different directions an attack would send an opponent. Forward air tipper sends up, sour spot up tilt sends out and kills, back air sour spot barely sends anywhere and can extend combos, dancing blade sends them wherever you are, etc. Somehow his design just got less creative as the games went on. It's really a shame to see a character with a unique mechanic and gameplan get completely outshined by a clone character that lacks it.

Marth has been my main since melee and is the reason I got into Fire Emblem so I have a very soft spot for him. It always kinda feels like ppl just hate on him no matter what, I remember melee players I played against hating him for being OP and now ppl hate him for not being OP, it's kinda weird tbh

I feel that honestly given what you seek to gain from attempting to learn marth you would be better suited learning anyone else. I feel its not unfair to call marth one of the hardest characters to approach with if not the hardest. If you play defensive against a marth, odds are you will win the matchup. It feels like given how much harder he has to work to commit to safe pressure he should be far more rewarded then he is. Sure he may still have swordie privelages when it comes to landing aerials, but there are a multide of characters who get safer aerials and they dont have to be spaced as well, not to mention that in terms of grounded spacing with moves, it could stand to be a lot better. Theres also everything mentioned in the video and smaller details that janky or bad. He's just compeletly outclassed inside and outside of his archetype. It's just a shame because i think this marth shines above all the others with how sakurai handled his, sound design, hit effects and just how ridiculous it feels kill early as this character. It leaves me feeling like a heroin addict looking for my next fix, while living in a shanty town of low tier bs.

The larger issue is that most people assume you play marth and lucina the same because they have the same move set.

I never played Marth until Ultimate, oddly enough. I was just playing around after some Snake matches and I fell in love instantly. I play him now more than anyone else regardless of how he preforms.

It's hard to play a sniper when everyone else is playing rushdown. No time or distance to line up your shots means no good shots are made. Marth also has to deal with shot deviation in the form reverse priority hitboxes and generally undesireable hitbox placement, and he's no longer being compensated with a good chaingrab. Looking at it from that perspective, he could benefit greatly from moves dedicated to either getting opponents out of his face, or leading into the tippers of specific other moves. I think his jab and dash attack would be good candidates for those kinds of changes.

I recently dropped Marth for Corrin but my stint with him online was fun. I like feeling good about properly spacing tipper and it’s helped me comeback from many matches I nearly lost.

The tippers such as forward air never kill and that’s another problem The prevalence of hurtbox shift also hurts when trying to land tippers I’ll go by experience I used to know Marth’s tipper ranges by memory but because of hurtboxes shifting so much I get a hilt hit instead of a tipper even if I am in the right range

Nice videos dude, keep up the Good work

The “there’s no such thing as ‘too close’ for Roy” comparison you made makes so much sense, made me have an epiphany. The points in your why “no one plays” vids are usually so sound that it discourages me to play characters due to your argument being so good. Hands down, you have some of the most interesting smash content on YT

This was inevitable, I agree that game's engine really screwed him over. Ult is so fast that it can be hard to space and sometimes you get a sourspot when it looks like a tipper. I still like playing Marth but I'll never use him in tournaments when Lucina and Corrin are right there, at least Corrin's tippers are more forgiving

I'd like to add that ON TOP of everything said in this video. Marth is also unimpressive. You want a character with good spacing? Cloud has the best Bair in the game + Limit to push his gameplan. Pyra/Mythra are faster and hit harder. Shulk is busted if you put in the time to learn him. You can get away with using Wolf, Palutena and G&W as swordies because of how safe and disjointed their aerials are. All three Links can play the camping game alongside being a good spacer. Heavies like Bowser and DK have almost equally large range, but infinitely more kill power. Lucina in general is a little too fair compared to most other characters, so basically you play Marth if you accept the flaws and don't really want the multiple more enticing and fun features a bunch of other characters offer.

Being a Marth main in melee, the thing that sticks out the most to me is that in ult his tippers are *way stronger* while the rest of his hitboxes are *way weaker*. In melee, spacing is neat an cool, but you don’t really need to rely on it to close out a stock or get damage. It’s more a “if I get this it’s cool, if not I can still do what I need to effectively.” In ult it doesn’t feel like that and he feels much harder to get solid hits with. Couple that with recent games’ ease of recovery, difficulty of edge guarding, and ease of getting in past the tipper range, and most of what makes Marth good in Melee is just absent or inaccessible in ult, with nothing to replace it.

I did a little experiment and tested out how early Marth kills compared to Pyra and Roy. The vast majority of the differences were in the single digit range, meaning that Marth gets almost no real reward for immaculate spacing, vs Roy and Pyra who can press buttons like monkeys and kill just as early. There's no mistaking that Sakurai legitimately just didn't want Marth dominating another tier list. Any other swordie will do, but not him.

Great video !

Apparently hurtbox placement also makes it harder to get tippers on bigger characters like Ridley as well

I think the lack of micro-movement is a big nerf, other smash games have strong tools to allow for incredibly precise spacing, which helps him land tippers.

Marth was thrown to the wayside quite early in Ult’s meta when fundies and consistency were more valued in characters (Wolf, Palu, Lucina, etc). This also caused Marth to become quite under-explored. Nowadays Marth is considered a high risk but high reward character that rewards a keen awareness of spacing and setup windows. Would be nice to see the result of what could be if we got a combination of Leo’s excellent fundamentals and spacing and Ignaize’s aptitude for Marth’s combo game.

I love the use of the Radiant Down music

I was a Marth main back in Melee, and I was always one of the best players when it came to my group of friends even when I picked another character. I loved Melee to death, thought Brawl was pretty good and fun, and thought 4 was serviceable but felt a little weird. When Ultimate came out I was very excited for the game only to constantly lose badly against people who didn't even know what they were doing (completely new players). I couldn't put my finger on it, but Ultimate felt "gross". After playing it for a while I honestly started to hate the game; despite everyone calling it the best smash since melee. I thought there was something wrong with me. I couldn't pick this up like everyone else, but I after watching this video believe I finally have my answer. Marth was my favorite character in melee, because he was a very fundamental neutral game footsie fighter that played well into the games physics, but the Smash Ultimate is a completely different beast despite being in the same franchise. Keeping your opponent where you want them is far more difficult and the fighters overall have a much different feel to their movement than in Melee and Brawl. Not to mention are a lot faster. It makes sense that I'd be uncomfortable with and dislike the game that goes completely against my entire playstyle since I first fell in love with the franchise. It's ironic that the changes that slowly chipped away at my favorite characters viability also slowly deteriorated my interest in the series without me knowing it. Even though I played a lot of characters other than Marth. And as nice as it is that people are enjoying Smash as much as they are. As long as the new physics engine stays; I doubt I'll be one of those people no matter how much I want to like it.

i would love to see a video on terry :( prob would be more of an everyone plays love the vids keep it up

I generally prefer Marth over Lucina since his tippers add an extra layer of skill and flavor to what would otherwise be the lukewarm water of swordies. Landing tipper after tipper really makes you feel like a god when it strings just perfectly to close out a stock, and is the reward for your hard work mastering a character who might as well be called a Space Animal due to how much spacing you need to employ to master him

I've mained Marth since I played brawl as a kid(and later melee and smash 4.) Even though hes frustrating to play, I'll always solo main him. For some reason I really liked his character in subspace and it eventually led to me playing almost half of the fire emblem games

Personally I think a weakness of marth and something that will eventually reach lucina is how much neutral they need to win and how much right guessing they have to make in comparison to other top tiers.With other characters you usually need to win neutral a maximum of 3 times to get you to kill percent and you have either reliable kill confirms or safe kill moves.Marth and lucina have like fair to side B at 0 then everything is tech chase,edgeguard and relying on reading your opponents,other character can do 0-60s while marth and lucina need to get 3-4 consecutive reads to get opponents to 60sh percents.

If are Marth and aren't playing completely out of your mind against a competent opponent, you're loss will feel that much worse from all the effort you put into it.

You can land every tipper for a single stock. After that you’re lucky if you’re not fishing for a kill till 150%. It’s so frustrating to fish for up throw kill when in theory you should get the kill at around 40-60% with a tipper forward smash.

You learn something new every day!

In short: The sourspots now take priority over the sweetspots if both hitboxes overlap on the same frame.

As someone who mains Lucina I can see her limitations at my very low level. When I play online I often play a couple round with Marth to warm up. I'll admit its pretty surprising seeing some flew off the stage at 90 with something like a tipper forward tilt. But other times when you do a sour spot forward air it feels like you are just going right through the opponent. It sometimes does feel like luck to hit those tippers.

Its always been interesting to me to think about potential vs results with some characters in ultimate, in particular marth and shulk. Both are characters that on paper have the potential to be amazing if the right player masters them, but have always underperformed. But for some reason people still place shulk high on tier lists but place marth in mid at best

Finally thanks I wanted this video 🎉

I used Marth since Melee from watching Ken. He still feels the same in Ultimate to me. Mkleo usually wins with Marth, not all the time but most of the time. I feel Marth is still the same high tier character in Ultimate. He deserves to be at least top twenty

Totally random point, but I Love that Marth is holding that shield at 9:50 to make it look like he has the Fire Emblem.

13:13 Vars, that's HIGH MID TIER, not Low Mid tier; that's for Wii-Fit Trainer to Lucario/Bowser Jr. He's on the lower end of that but is kinda deserved, he's barely a 6/10 character, unlike Falco who you could argue is a 7/10.

I think one important thing keeping Marth from relevance is the sheer level of slander directed towards him. I have a Marth main I go to locals with, leading the the character coming up in conversation every now and again. EVERY time, let me repeat, EVERY time Marth gets brought up somebody (who is not the Marth main) says something along the lines of "tippers inconsistent", "can't kill", or "worse Lucina". Same goes for social media. Someone runs into Marth on elite, they say "hey look, it's worse Lucina", commentators on stream will point out moves that didn't tipper for not killing, even though Lucina's version wouldn't have killed in that scenario either. Even characters like Doc seem to get more respect Marth's in a weird spot because he's so closely related to other, better characters. Not only are the (generally considered) 2nd and 5th best swordies his clones, but sword fighters in general get compared to each other way more than other archetypes. Marth players don't help either. From the way they talk about the character you'd think tippers were as random as hero's crits. I personally think Marth is far closer to Lucina's level of strength than he's given credit for, but constant badmouthing keeps people from giving him a real shot. Maybe they try him for a week or two, but they don't hit enough tippers right off the bat, and drop him because "tippers are too inconsistent".

I'm willing to believe that it would be worth it to give Marth's tipper priority because of considering buffs as something that isn't meant to give a character TOO much of a boost. It's certain that there would be a difference, and while likely small, I think that's a good size considering his simplistic, general character archetype

Do you plan on making a video on meta knight? I swear he's one of the rarest characters to show up online and in tournaments.

Marth was my first main in Smash, it’s sad to see him in this state.

I still prefer playing him over most of the other swordies, but it is the hardest current version to land tippers with. It feels super good when you do. But sometimes the Marthritis kicks in hard and it is disproportionately harder to kill characters than they can to you.

So hope you continue both series and get to Everyone Plays: PAC-Man, Palutena and Game & Watch and No one Plays: Swordfighter.

you have a very calming voice

0:05 that's so sick

What’s the music in the back?

Poor Marth. He's getting mobility crept :(

Yes the engine did screw him over but not the way most think. The real reason the speed difference is an issue has nothing to do with speed but removal of spacing options and removal of crossups. Add in some other bad changes like balloon knockback and you have a recipe that keeps marth from being the best he can be.

Interestingly, as the meta goes on while marth seems to be only getting better at killing, lucina has seemed to only be more and more burdened by her own underwhelming stock taking ability. Yet regardless, she still performs better overall, and i think a factor that gets overlooked a lot is how much more effective her shield pressure is in comparison to marth. Tipper spacing on shield is almost never equal to tipper spacing on the opponent's hurtbox, especially in the case of landing aerials, and he is far weaker at covering landings and rolls into shield because of the requirement to take extra chase time to position shield breaker correctly, which more severely limits his ability to maintain pressure in neutral in comparison to lucina than it's often given credit for

I know there really isn't a way to fix this issue without breaking the game, but one of the most frustrating things in this game is landing a hit and getting punished for it. Between moves dealing no knockback, and shields (OoS punishes too), Smash feels like it's always going to be a defensive game.

You can tell from ultimate that Marth’s sword has gotten thinner, and it shows because the sour spots feel weaker without much reward. The knockback from previous games allowed you to connect sour spots with other moves, but the floatier mechanics from the newer games makes it more difficult to combo. Especially when Marth got nerfed in sm4sh with dairs spike hitbox and removing short hop double fair. That’s when Marth had to rely on tippers to get any reward, but it worked in sm4sh because the slower game with less combos made it easier to react, but Marth is now stuck having to space instead of using combos like many other characters

I feel like that Marth's Falchion tip getting shifted in this game was the biggest cause of why he's not doing so great. But you made a good point with him having to rely on the physics from every other game to get his results and Ultimate changing the physics really hurting him. If the next game doesn't respond to that statement in the slightest, Marth could doomed to be stuck in this scenario. Also, I hate the idea of Echo fighter concept with Marth and Lucina. Considering the footage of their mods in different and personal class changes, we could've gotten exclusive concepts that make them unique, personally.

It would be cool to see videos on those weirder High Mid-Tier characters like Pac-Man.

Yo its the first 10 sec of the video but the moment I've heard the POR song I knew it was gonna be a good one

solo mained him since brawl, he's my favorite character

Great video Vars. Honestly tho, Marth isn’t as bad as people say. The thing with Marth is that his tippers are harder to hit than ever, but they aren’t necessarily inconsistent. I think he’s really fun regardless and I really do enjoy watching/maining him

The tip is very small. If he had a bigger tipper everyone would be satisfied.

I played against 4 different Marths yesterday online, but haven’t played a Lucina in like 5 days. 11mil-13mil gsp. Either just blind luck, or marth is really popular in NA elite smash still.

Good points overall but 100% disagree on tipper priority. If his tipper had priority he'd be completely broken strong. I think what he actually needs to succeed in ult is a middle hitbox that's between the other two in strength, with priority descending from the hilt.

Can you do a pit version if possible?

Okay I'll subscribe

Martha is still my second main. Right after Wii Fit Trainer

I miss perfect pivots and marth's sm4sh jab 1 so much.

Take a shot every time 'tipper' is said challenge.

I have been a Marth main since Melee, and this video was hard to watch. It’s sad, but with the right amount of training he is still 🔥. What’s nice about him is that he has multiple play styles; it’s not the same basic boring crap you get with Pyra/Mithera, Falco etc.

You have to be very skillful to use him at a high level. It takes patience and precision to use him effectively. Definitely more rewarding than Lucina if you can meet the requirements needed to play him at that level. But Lucina is more carefree. You don't have to worry about tippers. Edit: Just to point out some stuff. Lucina has kill power and can be carefree and not worry. She is 100% consistent. Marth still has forward tilt as a kill option, has Dancing Blade ender as kill option, those tipper forward smashes can kill at like 40% near ledge to some, etc. He has kill potential. Lucina has less kill power than Marth with tippers. Even charge neutral special will kill earlier. Edit 2: I saw vid and can agree in a lot that he has lost. Jab 1 into stuff as you said, the tipper inconsistency is probably the biggest. If it is factual, then yes. That needs to be fixed. I saw him almost kill in mid stage with a Dancing Blade on 87% after the final hit on ender.

In melee i believe that the tipper has a priority over the rest of the sword, one of the reasons why he was so good in this game. (and for roy the tipper had also priority making him even worse)

please do Yoshi next he's much better than before a lot of Yoshi players are popping up

“Remember how fun it was to play Marth when you were little, and your disappointment when you tried him in Ultimate? It was me, Barry. I nerfed Marth at Super Sonic Speeds so you would think you suddenly suck!” - Eobard Thawne

Marth is the most engaging character to play against at high level, so it sucks to see him lose out to cookie-cutter combo characters.

One other thing to mention is that his archetype doesn't work in smash ultimate. The concept of a floaty fundamentals and neutral-based sword-fighter doesn't work in this game. Too many characters outshine that archetype in one way or another (power creep being partially responsible). Longer range swordies exist now, and while they don't outright kill Marcina, their one advantage of disjointed mid-range, doesn't exist anymore. Every character that comes out now, has atleast a decent (if not fantastic) combo game so neither his nickle and time style or combo oriented styles are as effective as a combo swordie (roy, corrin, sora, steve). There's a higher requirement to have a good keepaway game due to the amount of projectiles and speed, so the archetype he would have succeeded in has been destroyed outright, not just in terms of relatives. And his disadvantage state is horrid in a game swamped by the aforementioned factors. He doesn't have a place. And if you want to be technical, marth's sword used to be longer than lucina's, which I'm pretty sure isn't true anymore, so even compared to his clone (who also falls for the same potholes), his trade-offs are even worse.

why no only plays the rest of the cast please🙏

Marth is in my opinion one of the top 3 characters that should have been buffed since he's so close to being top tier. the other two are Plant and Kirby since the former is basically an incomplete character and the latter is just unfairly bad

The change they made to dancing blade made it feel so much worse to use. I used to make use of the long input window to really drag out dancing blade to catch people off guard. Now it feels less satisfying to land, more punishing to miss, and less useful overall.

every other FE character to Marth: "The future is now, old man!"

Nintendo needs to watch Vars' series and put out just one more patch.

I'm always stoked to see a new vid in this series drop! You the man! o-( '-' Q)

It is annoying the nerfs he got like what the f man marth was awesome

1:02 Mark?

I think it's a shame what they did to Marth. He's honestly one of my favourite characters to play ever since I got into Smash in Brawl. While Lucina is pretty much the same, Marth's tipper hitboxes are what makes him fun imo. I think having the priority of his hitboxes reversed would help Marth a LOT. Sure it would be a band-aid fix to the other issues he has in ultimate but I definitely think he'd be a high tier if that were to happen.

They should give him his grab range from Melee back and give him back his FE1 design because we deserve pantsless Marth and his funny grabs.

Another big issue is that his combo game got butchered and he has no kill confirms, ff landing dair into fmash works about as well as trying to kill someone by throwing a gun instead of shooting it, and same goes for nair fmash which the most consistent ends up being reverse nair 1 hitbox dashback fmash, in meele his ken combo depends on sour spots to work, now he doesn't even have an use for them

Marth is the character I play when I want to just fuck around and I gotta say he’s a lot more consistent than people give him credit for. Lucina is still better but it’s not as difficult to land tippers as you make it out to be