Paul. Wrong. Bought a pair of Canton Vento 890.2s new sealed in box for $2100. I can show you the receipt. They are handmade in Germany. They have been making speakers since 1974. Top to bottom they sound incredible. The ceramic tweeter is the star of the show. I also just picked up a pair of new sealed JBL Studio 590's for $1000. Great sounding and looking speakers ARE out there between even $1000 and $3000. There will be serious serious competition for you in the $2k to $3k range. More than ever! So.....its ridiculous for you to make a blanket statement saying there arent that many good speakers out there at 2 to 3 k. Absurd in fact.
Hello mate ! You should consider the fact that every people on earth don't have the same reference about what a high quality speaker is ! Maybe, his goal was way higher than what you talk about for the same price... Audio quality is so random and definitly depending on the guy who is speakin about it... Nobody can actually judge :)
@@Petermaler66 listen, when anyone makes a statement that there aren't that many 2,000 $3,000 speakers out there you have no idea what you are talking about. Period. That's just a foolish statement. That's my point if you didn't get it
@@ryanschipp8513 well mate I own a few of these 2/3000 hifi speakers... And also most expensive ones (not hugely more expensive, the most ones are 10000 euros) so I definitely know that there's a quality gap in between some rank of speakers... My point of view is that you can't judge anyone else expectations
@@Petermaler66 perfect. So let me ask you this. The $2000- $3,000 speakers you have or have had.... what were they? Also, Paul is making a blanket statement saying that they aren't good without even hearing them LOL he's simply trying to plant a seed for selling his $3,000 speaker when it comes out. You are switching up the subject matter. Or shall I say you are attempting to. Any human being that has any knowledge of Hi-Fi that makes a blanket statement that there aren't any good two to three thousand dollars speakers out there is full of it. That's what I said in my comment and that's what I'm focusing on. I didn't bring up what you are bringing up. That's a whole nother conversation and topic
@@ryanschipp8513 Okay so maybe I didn't get perfectly what he said as english is not my first language, but what I understood is that he found the speakers he built were good but he couldn't sell them in the 3000usd section. To sell them this price he would have to decrease too much the components quality, something he didn't want to do. Because, in his point of view (and it's what I'm talkin about here), we can't make speakers that could be sold around 3000usd that would reach his personnal expectations. And so, nobody can have anything to say about it, it's his point of view, his own expectations. But maybe I understood wrong and he stated that every speakers around this price are shit. Which is exactly the same, but less politicaly correct. I own JM lab ovation 810, Genelec 1037, JBL 4895. Sorry if you thought I wanted to bring up something you didn't say, if so, it wasn't on purpose
IMHO, making great speakers that sound good and look good is no easy task. Sounds like your team is getting close. Bravo. Looking forward to the big reveal.
I was feeling the same way, until I started venturing into speaker repair and seeing all of the design nuances and seemingly trivial details that are actually integral to the sound. The process of birthing a product is as intricate as producing a record. It took "The Avalanches" over 10 years to make their 2017 release and its easily one of the greatest records ever! So take your time PS Audio, get it right and put the industry on its ears!!!!!!!
Cant wait! Love the story shame it was so short. Building some DIY speakers myself, so understand the journey. Looking forward to hearing them in UK ASAP. All best !
I quite enjoyed the discussions with speaker designer Chris. Hope you have him back on when you are closer to the reveal or even just for updates like this one.
I mean I already loved the look of your last design so I’m now more excited to see that new design. Better be good 😅✌🏼 Love your work! Greetings from Germany
Great, smart not to rush it. Yes, manufacturing is extremely difficult and wickedly expensive to get started as you know. Looking forward to seeing what you and your team have come up with, wishing you all the best of luck.
I didn't know there was "old man" and "modern" speaker design. As an old man who last bought speakers in 1992 I have no problem with a big rectangle and had no idea things have changed. We need a PS Audio video on speaker design history to clarify what has changed.
On the face of it, many would accuse you of poor expectation management. On the other hand this also means that, as a company, you’re prepared to share your setbacks, so in the end I think it’s a win for PS Audio as a transparent operator.
Remember the JBL cabinet. It was a curved unit withe 2 15 inch drivers and 2 375 horn drivers in a folded horn cabinet. This was a huge one piece cabinet. When played the sound unfolded along the curved front. Great sound and awesome speakers. Needs to be copied today
I owned so many great Infinity and Genesis Speakers, Model 3, IM 8300f,8300,8200, Infinity Renaissance 80,Infinity Omegas ,Infinity Modulus,Kappa 5...i can hardly wait to see your Speaker Design and will surely get a Model!!!
Should focus on (market as) using premium parts and sound superb for the price range with just presentable finishes. Most of today speakers focus too much on the finishes for the looks but used sub par parts. Spend the money toward creating great sound. Stay safe everybody!
I appriciate the detail. I probably wouldn't have minded a little longer of a vid going through through the history. There is always RU-vid speed control lol. I cant wait to see them. And next trip south we make, I plan on stopping through.
I really hope to see you continue work on the Arnie mindset. The stuff Chris seems to be leading you towards is cool but we need Arnies way to carry on. Real DGAF world class and then spin it down to the lower levels.
Arnie's recipe is what made Infinity so damn successful. Dont rock the boat or you'll lose a lot of potential buyers. We know the Nudell sound by heart.
Even $3000 speakers are built to a price point. Even at that price they usually have too many cheap parts --- sandcast resistors, iron core inductors, thin wire, steel binding posts.
I’m there w you I can’t afford anything PS Audio makes But love to hear about the products & audio theory in general Don’t tell Paul that I listen to JBL bookshelf speakers from the 1970’s & a pair of JBL’s from the 1980’s w a Sony receiver And for God sakes just keep between us that I have 100’s of Mini Discs
I love your YT channel, thanks for all the knowledges you share. There will always be haters in comments, they are part of population but we all need to ask ourself what is their path in life and why they hate... You made a passion a work, congratulations mate, you're good. Enjoy, as I would have enjoy it if I would have been in your place !
I think many of us were looking forward to this update. Makes sense. I hope you set the industry on it's heels when they finally launch. I hope I get to Colorado some time to hear them and the big IRS V.
@M Pi It is a boutique industry. None of them have any experience starting out, yet some who care to get it right create great speakers. Paul has a lifetime of experience and has hired some great talent. But taking 3 years to get it right suggests he might just achieve his goal.
Sounds Great to me. I'm especially excited that you hired an industrial design team to help with the aesthetic. I felt all of the iterations that I saw, missed the mark in terms of what I would consider. Chris does seem to know his business and I must admit, I have know idea what he is talking about most of the time. It would be great for him to help some of the diy people who hang out on your site. It would be very educational for all of us. I fully support the time it has taken to get your speakers right. I am enjoying the suspense.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio by this video? Lol this qualifies you for a silver alert, Paul. Don't pretend to be oblivious to what I've stated. Respond to my statements or just walk away. We all know exactly which resources have been wasted and by whom.
@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio stop playing games you look silly. The video was about what ever happened to the ps audio speakers. I called you out for wasting the company's resources on the project. It's quite clear actually. The AN3 never even saw the light of day that was YEARS and a lot of money ago. Is that more clear?
Thanks Paul. Being one of those who have asked after the speakers recently, I appreciate the update. I, for one, am less concerned about aesthetics than sonic quality. The speakers I am considering while awaiting your efforts are butt ugly but sound incredible (they are the current version of my existing set which are not exactly beautiful either). When a speaker sounds amazing, the way it looks becomes beautiful too as the look become associated with awesome sound.
When comparing the great speakers of the past and adjusting for inflation; top of the line speakers shouldn't cost more than 3-5k. What happened to what you said in this video about wanting to offer speakers in the 2-3k range? Because the only speakers you're offering are listed at $28,499. That's sad...
We will be offering speakers in that price range but they will not (nor can not) be "top of the line". I am sure I never said that. We will make speakers that within that price range eats the lunch of others and that's all true. But, you gotta have your "best in show" and that's what the Aspen FR30s are.
I assumed you were aiming for the high end speaker market. Now that I know you're aiming for "attainable" I'm doubly interested. Looking forward to the unveiling!
3K for a pair would be fairly easy to swallow if they sound as good as Paul says they will. I currently have a set of Tekton DIs and they are going to be TOUGH to beat!! They were $3500 for the set.
@M Pi Yep, and as Paul continues to tell since several years how gorgeous the guys are who work on them...and nothing to be seen yet. I think this project will sooner or later be stopped or discontinued
I really can't wait to see these speakers. I've held off for quite some time on really getting high quality speakers, and I want as many choices available to me as possible to avoid "buyers remorse". I guess I'll deal with my Polk Audio speakers for a little longer... 😐
I think there is the perception, and I tend to agree, that the best speakers are made by companies that only make speakers. When you start getting up above $10,000 or so, there is a lot of competition from very well established speaker-only companies. It would be a hard sell for a newcomer to compete in that market. If I ran things at PS Audio, I would start with $2,000 to $5,000 models and build a reputation for good sound before going higher.
PS audio has no history in speaker design, and I think Paul has realised that you can't just conjure up an amazing product. PS. I think sound is more important than design. I doubt whatever PS audio eventually produces will be class leading, given its (no doubt) high price point.
Paul was the co owner of a speaker company, Genesis Technologies, along with Arnie Nudell who was himself the co founder and chief designer at Infinity. That's a lot of speaker design and building background. I think Paul really had the wind knocked out of his sails on the speaker project, when Arnie died in late 2017.
I loved the look of the AN3S! If your looking for a good home for them where they will be loved and revered, well i'm your man! I'll even cover shipping! 😂😂
What's wrong with "old man's speakers"? The Wharfedale Linton is very successful, as are some other heritage designs. Something like it at a higher level and rounded edges on speakers and stands could well match the PS Audio line of high-end products. Most PS Audio designs look like simple, classic, old man's boxes, but modern and recognizable at the same time. Nothing wrong with that.
Good design, and shedding the baggage of traditional speaker making may shed some totally new light on how their made. Minus the cost of the industrial design firm, of course.
The goal of the entry level price point of the line remains; Paul said so in the vid. The cost of R&D has become exorbitant though. If each of the five [at least!] ideations only cost a hundred thousand [probably more] each, that's half a million dollars spent before one pair goes out the door. Turning a profit will take a while... obviously!
Perfect is the enemy of good. Gotta get those speakers out there to customers. Put a vinyl wrap on them if you have to, but get them out there. People will pay good money for great sound. Just my humble opinion.
@@allansh828 Look at the ATC 19s they are what I would call large bookshelves; google them; they are about 5200 a pair but sound better then speakers 3 times more expensive. I match them with a Hegel 300 amp and some series 5 transparent cables. Blows MAC away just on the Hegel build quality alone.
@@robertbyington7715 Yep, and massively overpriced because of the brands studio monitor pedigree. That is not a lot of speaker for the money, infact very little. Maybe that's what you wanted, but for that size and bookshelf since you are looking at more "pro" pedigree options, JBP 708s and active too, no cost for a Hegel, just a good DAC with a volume control. Either way, small speaker = small output. I'd rather have FOCAL over any ATC speaker. ATC is a good company and they make a quality product, but not for what they charge and what you get for the money. ATC is probably the worst example too of price mark ups, you are literally paying for the name. Also FOCAL's industrial design and driver technology is at the cutting edge of dynamic speaker design, easily ahead of ATC.
@@ELcinegatto87 I have had focals and I can promise you they don’t come anywhere close to ATCs midrange and the 19s are NOT bookshelf speakers they are similar in size when compared to the 50s or the 100s because they are so much bigger in comparison . Professional musicians like Tom Petty and Springsteen swear by NTCs. I can promise you NOBODY handcrafts their AMPs with more precision than Hegel; their 300 will out perform some amps that cost 3 times as much at $5 K their internal DACs and external DACs are some of the best on the market. If you want to talk OVERPRICED let’s talk MAC. They have a 30k amp that uses a $7 volumn control and the remote that comes with it is plastic. My Hegel 300 amp has a remote that’s cut from a solid piece of metal. If you want to compare build quality just try picking up the Hegel 300 it’s over 40 pounds and is built like a tank. Sorry but anybody that thinks Focal is better in the midrange than NTC never heard NTCs. People don’t bitch about the cost of a cartier watch or a Ferrari but say NTC cost 2 much; NTC is all hand made including the cabinetry
Paul, we will wait for the new speakers. BTW, the new web page looks great. Paul one suggestion is to remove the Geo location block to buy online. I live in Colombia and i want to buy the phono preamp and sent it to US to my PO Box. but this restrictions no make sense in the covid era. Thanks
I wonder how long a speaker will last. My VSA's are 17 years old. Had them upgraded by VSA 9 years ago. Still sound very good. I'm just courious. Nothing lasts forever.
Aw. No servos. I was hoping for a really nice servo subwoofer, what with Paul being such an advocate of decent subs. Anyhoo, looking forward to what you bring to the table.
I don't consider myself an audiophile - in fact it took me 5 minutes listening to realize one of the tweeters in my bookshelf speakers was not working. However I always imaging audiophile's care more about the sound detail and sound stage and "personality" of the speakers than how they look specifically. I have taken some fairly expensive speakers apart and there is really not much to them. Cheap crossover components, shallow voice coils and nothing special in the cabinet - but they look great. I would rather have speakers where the money is spent on excellent components, top notch drivers and great structural cabinetry to position resonance frequencies out of range. I would not care if they looked like nailed together plywood boxes on the outside. That's just me. I'm not an audiophile - I just appreciate learning how to listen.
Paul how about building a 4-way active speaker with a servo sub? You have have all the resources. I built myself a 4-way active setup incorporating 2 servo subs cross over at 50hz, 250hz and 3000hz and it sounds fantastic, I can only imagine what your designers can do.
Paul, why not start your speaker venture with a very high end, well built two way bookshelf loudspeaker. Two GREAT drivers, a beautiful cabinet and most importantly, brag on the crossover networks, the high quality parts used. Every darn speaker manufacturer or most of them are using cheap crummy parts in their crossover networks, USE TOP LINE PARTS, YOUR BIGGEST SELLING FEATURE! One high quality low frequency driver, a great soft dome tweeter and that would be your introductory product, winner!
Paul...I heard 3 things that are concerning, accountants say cost is too high, hired consultants ($$$), and they cut the servos out now. Truly great speakers are usually from one person's vision...when others come in and start changing that vision thus muddying up the clear waters. Oh, and accountants are the destroyers of all great things and they are never accountable for that.
hi paul. im now after a set of new speakers to go with my other ps audio appliances. ill be interested to see what youve got coming. those other speakers you did, the ones with wooden legs reminded me of an deck chair our nanna used to own.same type of frame.so im hoping these new ones will look ultra high tech .thats what was needed.hopefully youll have some for around the 16 grand mark next year.thats when ill be ready. just paying off my direct stream dac at present..ha..
I can’t help but think changing thoughts with servo technology, a life long approach in sound quality for Paul has to do more with margins/profit? Maybe I’m wrong what do I know.
Maybe Paul and Chris instead chose to use DSP instead of servo's for linearizing the woofers. I thought the woofers would be active anyway, so adding DSP in these modern times makes more sense. Maybe they add a parametric EQ in there as well to combat room modes... Paul... if you read this... ;-).
the high-end speaker market is overcrowded. Price-independent, PSA's speakers would have to be ground-breaking in more ways the one (or a dozen) to rise above the din.
