I think looking for the right thing to do for so many ppl is difficult, and it is a biohazard that need to be dealt w, and time heals. It’s really all one can ask for after all that. That stone w his name on it made me mad and sad. 😢 Excellent info.
Let us remember, that it was not only Congressman Leo Ryan, who was murdered on that airstrip. The victims were: Leo Ryan, U.S. Congressman Don Harris, NBC reporter Bob Brown, NBC camera operator (whose rolling camera caught the first few seconds of the ambush, b4 he was shot) Greg Robinson, San Francisco Examiner photographer Patricia Parks, Jonestown defector R.I.P.
Would you look at that. Who was Leo Ryan? Leo Ryan became famous for his vocal criticism of the lack of Congressional oversight of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), authoring the Hughes-Ryan Amendment,[17][18] which would have required extensive CIA notification of Congress about covert operations.[19][20] Ryan once told Dick Cheney that leaking a state secret was an appropriate way for a member of Congress to block an "ill-conceived operation".[21] SEEYA!
Patricia parks was shot however the family’s decision to defect when they did saved the lives of her husband and two daughters - they were very lucky to get out
True, but imagine the trucks in Europe after WWII that went around collecting the bodies of soldiers and interring them? My Uncle was one of those truck drivers.
I was 14 years old and living in Dover, Delaware when these bodies arrived. I clearly remember to this day, how rancid the air smelled almost right up until Christmas Day. As the smell was dissipating, I can also remember thinking that the smell must have embedded itself into my nostrils, and that I'd never stop smelling it, but it was only the stench weakening until it was gone. That was an eerie time.
That's a smell that you just can't even wash off. There's nothing else like it. I'm so sorry you had to go through that even if it was long ago. I'm sure it doesn't seem like it.
one comment I wish I hadn't read, man that death smell , and how many times somebody say hey smell this , and that's the only thing your going to think off , ptsd ,
Wow! It's crazy that you say that, because my cousin was found dead in her apartment 3 days after dying. My family members that found her talked about the smell. One of my cousins said she couldn't get the smell out of her nostrils for days! She said she couldn't eat because she could still smell that odor!
One of the stories from Jonestown is so infuriating. Tom Partak was having doubts, long before the massacre, and would cry because he wanted to go home because he missed his family. I believe he wrote in his diary about missing them, and I also believe he went to Jim Jones asking if he could go home. One of the man’s roommates found his diary, and at one of their nightly gatherings, Jim read it out loud, and the temple made fun of him. He was one of the 900+ to perish.
It has always bothered me that this is referred to as a mass suicide. Jones caused the murder of over 900 people, his victims may have picked up the cups and drank but it's more than a bit difficult to say no to armed guards with assault rifles (some of whom had just executed a relatively large group of people, including a US Congressman). Jim Jones preyed on vulnerable people, took them to a place where he was in complete control, abused many of them, and then killed them.
Exactly. And who shot Jones and the nurse and why didn't they drink? And why did Jones have plans to escape to Venezuela if he planned to get shot? We're not being told everything about this crime.
There were a few trial runs beforehand, where people were told to take the poison, when it wasn't actually poison and everyone was ok ..Many wouldn't have realized that this time was for real , not until people stared dropping ... Then, the panic would have set in .😢
I never understood the need for firearms to worship God! Shows just how these cults have nothing to do with religion but control. Another form of hitlerisem.
The Soviet intelligence agency published a photo-documented study in the early 1980s establishing that the CIA had thus prevented a request for collective political asylum, already filed for exile to the USSR) from succeeding.
@@GrandChessboard Given how heavily armed they were, it wouldn't be surprising that some of the members died from gunshot wounds--(in addition to Jones and the woman who shot him, and then herself, which i learned in another documentary).
Friend of mine was one of the 'advisors' sent to ensure the cooperation of the locals. He spent 2 tours in Vietnam and enough time in Central America to be haunted, but he said Jonestown was the most horrific thing he had ever seen.
Hitler's association was living there underground in 1978. The last one seen was 1986 he drowned trying to escape. Those yellow trucks on the airstrip were for moving the dirt from underground caves. They are still doing digging in this Pitt there nowadays.
The Germans responsible for the halocaust were living in the Georgetown caves in 1978 yup... And we're last caught in 1986. The town was called lindburgh German owned.
@Caravroomvroom there were many nazi war criminals 'hiding' in South America, but Brazil is a huge country with many isolated populations that speak no European language and the official language for the country is Portuguese. Saying half the population of Brazil speaks German is a gross exaggeration. Also, FYI, Jonestown wasn't located in Brazil.
@@Caravroomvroom WTH. What a random, irrelevant comment. Guyana is not Brazil, no they don't speak German, most of the Germans went to Argentina, Paraguay and Chili.
I was raised in an Evangelical household, and when I was born, I had a large tumor on my eye, which ended with me being blind in that eye. Both my mother and grandmother were forever taking me to healing revivals attempting to heal the blindness in that eye. I especially remember a particular tent revival that my grandmother took me to when I was about 4 or 5. It wasn’t until the Jonestown tragedy that my mother told me that the preacher of that particular revival was Jim Jones. 😳 BTW, I’m still blind in that eye.
I served in the 498th Medevac, which was stationed at Fort Benning Georgia. They were one of the units which cleaned up the site. 942 remains (approximately) were sent to Dover AFB. There was a large amount of valuables, titles of vehicle, money, deeds to land and homes. The FBI was also there to search service members to ensure no theft occurred. It was a horrific scene, not all of the people found had committed suicide, some father's were forced to make their family member's drink the poisoned drinks and then shot by members of Jones inner circle. This incident should prove to people that one deranged person can sway gullible and desperate people, even to their death's.
This video says only Jones and the nurse were shot. It might have been a miscommunication early on. There were GIVEN shots but not shot. So I can see how shot with poison became shot with bullets. The details are important as this was a crime scene, not a mass suicide.
And it's going on today. People want so badly to think things can get better for them, they're seeking a better life...and unscrupulous people take advantage of that. RIP, everyone.
He also individually traumatized the church members, gave them personal attention of all sorts. A horribly clever and knowing man who knew how to accomplish what he wanted. It was not just that he made promises of a better life to black people who had been abused, he also abused and confused them. It was a cult.
I knew a few combat vets and they told me nothing they saw or did in Nam could have prepared them for Jonestown, that nothing could have prepared them.
My buddy in the airforce went down to bag&tag and when james came back he was hot mess. They gave him 100% disability rating at the VA. Stories were horrible!
My heart and prayers go out to your friend James. It's been years but, PTSD never really goes away. THANK YOU James for your service and I pray that you find "peace" Much love and respect to you. 😊😊😊🙏🙏🙏
Those poor people were all ward's of the states and Jonestown was a mind control experiment, those people were starved beaten and made to work all day... The Bodies were left to rot so no Therile Aptopsy could be done.... These people and babies were experiments and Jonestowns real secrets could not get out that's why those people were murdered they DID NOT drink the Kool aid.... 😮
I was stationed at Dover between 1981-85. I am so glad I wasn't there when they brought them in. But I saw the hangars and heard that it was bad. There had to be a lot of quick decomposition in that heat.
I’ve heard of the Jonestown massacre but I actually never thought about the clean up events that took place after the fact. I can’t even imagine what it was like for those first responders to arrive at a place of so much death 😢
It's quite telling that Jones and his evil nurse accomplice chose to be shot because both of them knew what a hellish death that concoction would visit on anyone who drank it, the agony would have been indescribable.
@@Niibaah Some took poison some shot themselves and some escaped into the jungle and dragged themselves into villages half dead from hiding in the bush
I remember hearing about this on the news,I was 18 then. Most people knew nothing about this cult. We learned more about this,over the next few days on the news,as the horrific story unfolded. So sad about the children😢
I can tell you what happened. My uncle was in the military. He did body recovery at jonestown. The bodies were in terrible states of decomp where they weren't really intact bodies anymore. They litteraly had to scrape them up with scoop shovels.
I AGREE❗️ A CLOSE❤ FRIEND❤ OF❤ MINE❤ I CONSIDER❤ FAMILY❤ WAS ONE OF THE CLEAN UP MILITARY PEOPLE OF THE BODIES. HE SAID THEY GAVE THEM COUNSELING WHEN THEY GOT BACK TO THE STATES. HE IS 67 YEARS OLD AND NEVER GOT OVER IT💔…HE HAS PTSD💔
Thank you for this. I had thought that most of them were buried on site, due to cost of shipping them back to the US. Everything about recovering 900+ decomposing bodies is horrific!
I had an uncle who served in WWII. He was among the first American soldiers to enter a Nazi concentration camp. For the rest of his life, he suffered from devastating PTSD, and would frequently wake up screaming in the middle of the night, but at least he didn’t have handle any of the corpses. The camp guards were forced at gunpoint to bury the bodies. I have no doubt that the men and women who had to clean up Jonestown had it way worse.
My uncle, mother's brother, also was sent to Germany and was digging up skeletal bodies or putting in ditches! My uncle was also PTSD as well...RIP Arcelius Franklin
@@gabriellew.4847 rip to your uncle side note: Arcelius is a powerful name!! I hope this is okay, but its now at the top 3 of baby names for me. Its such a cool name
@@gabriellew.4847The powers that be made sure no kinda real autopsies could be done on them... These people were already ward's of the state that included foster children & babies... The good old C👁🗨A thought it would be a good idea to experiment a Mind Control experiment by trying to see if the could modern day slavery with mind control.
@@cassandra5752Don't believe the mainstream narrative! This situation was all around evil thanks to the 3 letter agency that purposely put drugs in our community's!! These people are demon's in the flesh!! 😮
I worked with a man who was in the military at that time, and was one of the men that had to clean up. He said the smell stayed in their skin and sinuses for weeks even though they wore protective clothing and masks. He said the bodies were goo.🤢
I was a teenager when this happened. It impacted me a lot. He really wasn’t a man of God. He was the devil Himself. He used people, had various children with different women and lured people to belief his lies. I was so scared with all the news.
That death audio of this incident is by far the second most disturbing thing ive ever heard in my entire life!!!! U can literally hear everyones voices & bodies winding down as they all slowly stop screaming & then the quietness & then the silence which is they're death & that creepy music in the background just keeps playing afterwards untill the record finally starts skipping & then it literally just sounds like actually demons talking & coming out of the ground to take all of they're souls to hell for killing themselves & commiting suicide 😬 I really don't recommend listening to it & this is coming from a person thats always had a very dark sense of humor & a very morbid fascination with death💯 Some things are just best to not know about 👍
I can’t imagine the stench and flies that must have been endless. Wearing a hazmat suit in that heat would have been absolutely torture and I am sure the odor was detectable for miles away. I bet people vomited in their suits. It would drive anyone to madness
I was 10 yrs old and visiting with my Aunt. We were driving from French Lick Indiana to her home, near Indianapolis. When she pulled the car over,turned up the radio and began sobbing hystericall and praying. That is how i heard about it. She had been a member of Jones's Indiana church and knew many of the ppl that followed him to California
this is illegal psychological experiments. They were poisoned in San Francisco. Jim Jones owned the buildings they lived in. I was born in Geary and Steiner PEOPLES temple and Jehovah witnesses building 1978. I am Caribbean and Filipino. Two of my nephews 19yr olds died in one day in 2 different countries. One was chased all night and then shot on Geary st San Francisco. The other was in south America by the US army friendly fire they called it. He was a gay ex jehovah witness. My grandparents were anointed and died mysteriously in their sleep. The last 5yrs 9 family members died from poison even my kitten named Zen was DX by vets when she died. I'ma survivor of child trafficking by the German Brian Timothy maupin family who speak Khmer. I been homeless away from my family since I was 12.
0:56 that's survivor Stanley Clayton, not Odell Rhodes. I knew Stanley when I was stage managing plays in Berkeley in the late 90s and early 2000s. He worked stage crew and ran the lights and sound for many plays. He was quiet, unassuming, and never missed a cue. I never thought he was drunk or compromised in any way and he was very reliable. When I found out he was a survivor of Jonestown, his quiet introspective demeanor made a lot more sense. This is a man who has seen some horrible atrocities and yet doesn't seem to harbor any outward animosity to the world; just doing the best he can to make things for the people around him better.
Wow, that poor man. He was brought back the scene and made to identify 100+ dead people that he knew personally. Even if he wasn't actually *friends* with the cult members, they all lived, worked, and ate together under 24-hour surveillance of a madman. I'd be scarred for life having to identify one dead body, never mind a hundred.
@@debbierobbins360 Research has shown that traumatic experiences are associated with both behavioral health and chronic physical health conditions, especially with traumatic events such as this. It sometimes results in tendency to view the world as inherently evil and with it a strong dislike and hatred for it. I saw no such ill will in Stanley; his reaction was the diametric opposite with his words and actions. His only desire is to leave the world better than he found it; which for Stanley is a bigger burden than most of us will ever face.
I was a kid at the time. I remember seeing it on NBC news then. They were showing aerial views of the bodies. I remember one of the victims had on red clothes, I think it was pants. I have never forgotten the horror of seeing that. Its been frozen in my mind over 50 years now. That man was pure evil !
I live in Oakland, California where Evergreen Cemetery is. It is my understanding that no funeral homes wanted to take them for fear of being associated. I know people who knew many of these people. People are still very traumatized.
I was born in 1969 but I remember seeing this on TV before my Mom quickly guided me away from the TV to play outside. She eventually explained it to me because it was all over TV and newspaper. I still do not attend church.
I was born in 1969 as well. However, I was raised / forced into a Catholic upbringing. Neither my brother, nor I have any religious beliefs / faith, or attend church. We both believe that had we been indoctrinated into any other religion things may have turned out differently. Catholicism is quite cultish, and way too secretive / mysterious for my liking.
What Jim Jones did has nothing to do with Christianity or Jesus or the church. Please don't associate what he did to these people with the true and living God.
@@TheOnlyLadyBellathank u for saying this. I really hate that he and ppl like him always use God to get ppl to join them and unfortunately those ppl don't know the danger they have put themselves in until it's too late.
I've figured out as I've gotten older, I can read, study my Bible if I choose anywhere. I can pray on my toilet. I can read and study on my couch. I really don't need to go to church. If you're saved, you know it. Why would I go to church to hear gossip about other people and spend money?
Shame on those remaining family members who got angry at the governement at how this whole tragedy cleanup was handled. My gosh, they probably did the best they could during an event that they had no prior experience on how to handle. Those ungrateful people need to back off, and place their anger where it properly belongs - at Jim Jones, period.
I think Jim Jones should have been dealt with in the days before leaving for Jonestown by simply calling the Police and using 38 snugnose, 380 semiautomatic pistol, this on United States soil because I personally think that the United States Authorities could have intervened and have prevent Jonestown, I have watched the. docudrama and read about it, if the real Leo Ryan was like the fictional Leo Ryan, the best thing to do is to get the police involved because some of the members Jones conrogation were acting like model citizens or members when Jones was extorting poor people out of their social security or welfare benefits, the one seem where one of Jones female henchman slapped a black guy for falling asleep during one of his slurred sermons; this was on American soil in fact in San Francisco, I think he should have been like Christian McCafferty, Roger Craig, and Ken Willard getting to an San Franscisco Police Officer being in the custody of Police would have been ɓetter.
the military is well trained to deal with casualties, in this case they had no idea it would be so many and that the remains were in such terrible shape, they did a great job given the task they faced
If the Federal Government had listened to the people in Mendocino County, California, who were begging them for help, this would not have happened. Jim Jones got away with murder, financial crimes and crimes against children years BEFORE the massacre. It helps when the District Attorney Tim Stoen is the Peoples Temple second in command and hitman.
@@lindafinch1520 The adults made their choices, as is everyone's right. Nobody could have legally stopped them from doing what they wanted. The children are a different matter. They were willing participants in the beginning and once they changed their minds it was too late.
It’s crazy how animals can sense poison. I just witnessed it a week ago. Dog didn’t like the shovel that ended a rattlesnake at all. I thought there was another snake for a second until I realized it was the murder weapon she was reacting to.
Seriously, are you for real, what they "were dealing with" was the Religious zealotry of a group of people being exploited by the twisted ideals of a megalomaniac vainglorious cretin posing as a "man of God"...! The age of religious dogma is over, the age of being subjugated by an ultimatum based superstition through the conceit and self serving fear mongering control of the "Church" is over, the age of ignorance is over.
And, @@jackieedmondson8422 , it sure seems those type of weak minded parents, professors and other public figures still exist. The “woke” suffer greatly from a serious mental disorder and are willing to take children way down to a bottom feeder level of sickening disarray. A door to a loony dimension has been opened and that door needs to be slammed shut. Then and only then can we MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN 🇺🇸
The Graves Registration Unit from the XVIII Airborne Corps Quartermaster Battalion was deployed from Ft. Bragg to clean up the mess. I was stationed there at the time and I heard it was disgusting. The bodies had already decomposed significantly by the time they got there.
I was stationed in 12th Combat Aviation Group, XVIII Airborne Corps at that time, too! A female LT, D Goode, was assigned to assist in final IDs and attempts at family notifications! She couldn't speak of the horrors, either!
I was a Mental Health Specialist during my time in the Army. Two of the people I worked with were members of the cleanup team from Jonestown. Both of these individuals had severe PTSD as a result of their experience.
Family members complained that the US Gov didn't do enough when the US Govt didn't need to do anything at all. If the family members cared that much, they could have flown there to Jonestown and done the cleanup themselves.
I do remember this , I was 25 years old at the time. Also in 1978 I was a recent graduate of Mortuary college and licensed embalmer and funeral director. It’s such a tragedy. And a shame the recovery of bodies couldn’t be managed better. Interesting video.
Some of my friends family members died there her and her parents would have gone there too if it wasn't for her grandmother convincing them that she was too young to go she was six months at the time her granny saved her life
May I ask what their names were and may your family members rest in peace but in all honesty I wish grown adults wouldn't take their children because it's bad enough their choosing what their choosing but they shouldn't take their children with them on their path...
I had 2 classmates that disappeared from school, when I was 12 years old. No one knew where they had gone. Found out later that their mother had joined the cult and taken them to the Temple in Guyana Both of them had died.😥😥
During the time of this hideous tragedy I was working on the Tapakuma project in the Essequibo Coast of Guyana. My company had a contract involving drainage and other land projects. We heard of Jonestown and the ensuing tragedy whilst in Georgetown. Jones was a mass murderer and cult leader who fooled many Americans with his so called church. I did not see the results but felt the effects it had on our Guyanese workers and all we Europeans and Americans working on the project. Cults are very dangerous to society. As we are finding in our own nation during these times of unrest.
If it was up to me, I would have left Jones where he was. Cremation for Jones and scattering the ashes was far to good for him. Mentioning him on a memorial... what were they thinking.
Thank you for accurately noting the majority didn’t consent to “drinking the kool aid”. It’s so disrespectful how people act like most were eager, like dudes with guns didn’t suddenly appear when many hadn’t even known guns were in Jonestown.
@TahtahmesDiary If "dudes with guns" suddenly appeared and were the last to die, they presumably still turned the guns on themselves or drank the Flavor-Aid after whoever they shot/threatened.
@@crose7412 Dudes with guns were present in Jones Town long before the "mass suicide" I'm presuming they melted back into the jungle like most cia mercinaries.
That last woman complaining about how the government/military handled 900+ rotting bodies thousands of miles away is ridiculous. She should have gone down there herself to identify the remains of her relatives, make arrangements for transportation and burial and pay for it all herself.
They may have drank the potion willingly, as mentioned on here, but the children didn't have a voice! I remember this so well. I cried for the children.
My college girlfriend's Dad was part of the recovery. He's a pilot and was one of the people flying the bodies home. He was _deeply_ affected by it, of course. Would NOT talk about it for a very long time. Eventually he would open up enough to tell people he was part of that effort, but as far as I know that's all he would say. I always wondered if not working on that kind of trauma, not going to therapy (or discussing it at all) was relevant to his being such a total douche.
Go easy on the guy dude, after what he probably saw and went through it would be considered normal to be silent and to try to process that kind of grief.
Maybe. But my dad had horrible Vietnam experiences that I know nothing about. He wouldn’t ever have any of us know that horror. He was a an absolutely wonderful man. The poison he was exposed to killed him. I miss him everyday and always will.
@@commonsense571Oh my, that's just heartbreaking, I am so sorry you and your family had to experience that! Poor guy. My partner is a disabled vet, he was in Afghanistan and was the only survivor of a helicopter that was shot down. He doesn't talk about it unless he's drunk, and then he doesn't get into details, he just cries and says it was his fault, he should have been killed too or instead...massive survivor's guilt. Some issues that made my girlfriend's dad, in my mind, a total douche: • He abused and raped his oldest daughter. However he didn't, as far as they remembered, assault my girlfriend. But my girlfriend was "excellent" at dissociation & blocking out trauma so it's possible (likely) he continued the abuse & she just blocked it out. She couldn't stand him, so she always suspected that was part of her hostile emotional reactions to him. • When the youngest child (her brother) turned 18 & graduated high school, he revealed that he had a WHOLE OTHER FAMILY that lived in the next town over, and now that GF's brother was 18 & out of school it was, he said, time for him to be with them full time. He had another group of kids, a house with a mortgage, a dog, the works. Now did the trauma of the Jonestown cleanup create some flaw in who he is, that he needed love & security so much he needed two families? Maybe. I don't think it had anything to do with the SA, that's probably just because he was a horrible predatory man.
The content of his character had NOTHING to do with his experience in the military. He was simply a POS as many people are. Why speculate about the simply obvious? It won't help you or anybody else.@@evientually
The crazy part was the whole final incident was captured on audio. You can hear Jones on a microphone system and all sorts of voices, children and babies crying. Heartwrenching.
I remember an aerial shot on the cover of the NY Daily News. Bodies lying with their arms around each other. They estimated 400 dead, but it doubled when they found layers of bodies.
There are many cults , among us, One individual, usually male, attains and holds that role. Adults, if they so choose to follow , fine. As an adult, you’ve grown and learned through your life experiences …but never, ever, submit your child. Don’t deny their right to grow and learn and make their own choices.
It's really hard to identify mental manipulation if a person hasn't experienced it before. That's why cults are so dangerous. To gain that experience to be able to identify the dangers requires lots of pain, anxiety, depression, and self-hatred at a scale I don't want anyone else to go through. There, we have come to the crux of the problem.
@@ToudaHellagree plus to obscure even more there's the 'stockholm syndrome' and that curious effect when a victim of a scam sometimes keeps it secret or even supports the scammer and justifies
military graves registration teams do not get the recognition they deserve !! They do a horrible, thankless job that mostly goes unnoticed. To those doing this necessary job, THANK YOU !!!!!
This was a situation where there wasn’t going to be perfect resolution. The shear number of dead in that climate made that impossible. A relative of mine died in Her apartment In New York City In August. She was not found for several days. Multiply that By nine hundred. This. Amos was unavoidable. Fault is irrelevant in this case. And the family members who didn’t or couldn’t claim Their loved ones should not lay blame on the people who did what they could having never encountered a situation like this. All of these people were cared for the best that could be done with so many dead.
Exactly! The saying should be *"Don't drink the Flavor Aid"* . I don't know why so many people keep insisting on saying it wrong. Just like they say "D.B. Cooper", it's *Dan Cooper* . Both of these are because of newspaper reporter error.
Anyone wearing sunglasses indoors are suspect. From what psychologist say,😮. Incl I wear them due to extreme light sensitivity, because of my eye illness.
Having been at Dover as an SP and working to guard the bodies it is definitely a smell you will never forget. They stored bodies in refrigerator trucks outside the morgue.
I saw stacked and boxed victims on a plot of land that wasn't a cemetery while driving the so-called "Paris Pike", a road between Lexington Kentucky and Paris Kentucky. They were there for two years in a row. We were visiting relatives for Thanksgiving both times. I wish I'd have never seen them. So sad.
@@sandrasmith8365 Yes. Burials cost money. Many Jonestown victims were entire families. There was nobody left to pay for burial plots, so the government asked the public to donate land. Then it took a lot more time for the Gov't to allot the money to get them all interred. This area of Kentucky is the horse-breeding area. Very fancy. The place I saw the stacked boxes of coffins wasn't fit for horses to run on, so I figure that some compassionate landowner donated it.
I had just turned 8 on Nov, 18th when this happened. back then I couldn't understand why so many people took their own lives, but they didn't most were murdered.
I'll never understand how someone, especially an adult, can follow another person so blindly. I can remember going to a church at 11 years old, and the preacher telling the teenagers to bring in their rock records, so they could break them, (I saw a lot of KISS Lps up there). As young as I was, I knew there was something wrong with it. So how is it adults can't tell who's an evil, power-hungry control freak?
@@alvaroq2024 ~ I get that. But my point is, you would think adults would be wise to this. Unfortunately many of them are just as gullible as most children...
When society has you beaten down and somebody offers you something better you take it. Now imagine if that person takes you away from your homeland and you realize that something's not quite right However you can't make it back home because you don't have the resources to go back home. What do you do? I don't like victim blaming. Many of Jim Jones victims the adults where African American people that were poor and were seeking a better life.
@@TheOnlyLadyBella ~ Society has beaten me down too. But I still am not so gullible as to believe a phony such as Jim Jones. Maybe if people would stop being so willing to play a victim, they wouldn't become one. The only true victims here were the children. The parents made their fate when they chose to leave the US to go to that barbaric place, for something that didn't exist. There is no such thing as utopia. If someone is promising this, they have ulterior motives. That's just common sense...
There were more victims than the Jonestown Massacre. Look up Jim Jones Apologist and Jim Jones in Mendocino County. He committed financial crimes, crimes against children and murder. Jone's got away with it all because the District Attorney of Mendocino County, California was the Peoples Temple second in command and hitman.
And as far as force , when it came to making people swallowing the poison, there would have been tiny tiny tears on the inside of the top lip because holding someone’s mouth close forcibly pressing, is going to leave that impression from their teeth, or their gums or force. There was one picture that really stood out for me and it still does when I think about it, of a little one , still “hip carrying ” age . he had on a matching set green overalls shorts with a little shirt that matched to it, and he was with the adults who were dead together in arms, but the baby was for some reason in between the adults, like they laid him right there after he died, and then they took that poison, because he wasn’t under the adults like a lot of the other babies was , but he face up, and because he had been out there in the sun, his face had turned like this deep bruised purple and shiny from oil or something , and that just really-I don’t have no words but i was bothered by that.
My Father knew Bob Brown from his days as Mr Brown's union rep , my father told him due to love of going to dangerous places to film that one day he would get killed , sad that it came to be RIP to all except Jones , hope he's roasting
The AFB Dover was chose not because of its distance form California but because there is a large morgue there for handling remains of Americans who have died overseas...mostly from military ops.
Yep, the bodies were brought back to Dover AFB. We had the biggest outbreak of head lice! I was in high school at the time. All the local pharmacies had barren shelves of the stuff used to kill the lice. The poor GI’s that had to open those body bags. 😢
@@Pllm30 I attended a small Christian school in Dover not far from the base. We knew friends from base housing. So it didn’t take much to get infected.
I remember when that happened, and was in the news. This is the first time I've heard the actual details of murder, and the massive effort to clean up the site.
Back in the 70’s there was a group of people traveling through our area living the life of “freedom “ my husband and I were young and thought the hippie lifestyle was cool,but we were parents and not about to join this group. We did however take some food to the group. As we left we passed a you man leaving the group. He was kind of escaping. We gave him a lift to the highway and wished him well. I have often wondered about him,was he one who would have been part of the group who died? Don’t know anything about him but if he’s still out there, I hope his life turned out well.
I found out 25 years ago, I had distants relatives, whom were victims of this cult. Its crazy to realize ppl were so desperate to belong, they were willing to give up everything and disown family over 1 MAN. I feel we are NOW dealing with a person whom has alot of CONTROL over many ppl. I wonder if ppl would drink a solution and move to an island, if this person told them to do so...hmm🤔
In 1993 I met one of the Air Force members who took part in the clean up. He didn't elaborate on his experience but he said it was a horrific nightmare of a mission.
In 1981 I took Basic Training at Fort McClellan Alabama which was, at the time, the Army's MP center. So most all of our drill sergeants were MPs. The sergeant in charge of my platoon 'claimed' he and his partner were the first US military personal on site. He said they were told to sign out a jeep, go to their armory to draw weapons and ammunition then report to the airfield. They were loaded on a C130 and took off. Said they were given very little information as what to expect or what happened as nobody really knew at first, but had to secure the airfield. When they "landed" the plane didn't stop so they had to drive off the moving plane, a pallet of C-rations/supplies were also shoved off (breaking up in the process) and the plane took off leaving them there. He painted a very grim picture. Of course we had to take his word for it but of all the places to be or things to have done, that would be a pretty odd story to make up.
Rest in peace to all innocents that were killed out there. I did 25 plus years of biohazard recovery, which is crimescene cleanup and having experienced decomposition in advanced states many, many times before,but I cannot fathom the idea of hundreds, total nightmare for anyone having been there. God bless all.
This is what happens when people do not question everything. This monster took advantage of people who didn't question, were poor, were not educated/couldn't read.
There were highly educated and prominent people who followed Jim Jones also. Before Guyana the Peoples Temple was in Mendocino County, California. Jone's was able to infiltrate and control the District Attorney's office, law enforcement, schools, social services etc. The DA Tim Stoen was Jim Jones's second in command and his hitman. Jones and this DA got away with many crimes against children, financial crimes and murder, way before the Guyana massacre.
I was able to visit the mass grave at Evergreen cemetery in San Francisco in 2019. I was moved to tears to see the names of all those who were lost. Heartbreaking. Far more murder than suicide. Rest in Peace all who died
I was about 12 when this happened. I remember a Time magazine cover that showed all of the bodies. It changed my life. I researched cults once in junior high and again in high school and have been both horrified and fascinated by human behavior and how people get brainwashed into cults ever since. I wish that more of the general public understood the tactics so that people could keep themselves and their loved ones safe.
It's very sad every time I see clips of the crowd in Jonestown, all the men, women and children, it's really sad to think that they're all gone...rest in peace people!!!
My reaction upon hearing this new is a deep sadness, especially when I think about all the innocent children and people that got caught up in this tragedy and madness. It’s horrific to say the least 😢😢😢😢
