What Happened To The FIRST Female Team in League of Legends? | Team Siren 

I mean it was explained in the video, they kept her on bench permanently because they had a better support and kept her only as a substitute and THEN they decided to use her in promotional ways.

@@auri5459 the video also leaves out that she filed a lawsuit against her team where the moment the other support returned from their hand injury they window seated her. she no longer had a PC or desk, was no longer involved in team meetings, the coach did not meet with her anymore, and was largely ignored for weeks ever since.

@@Iznikroc you think that only happened to her? there are plenty of other pro players getting benched for underperform.

@@InFernoKnight95 it wasn't for underperformance She was actually performing better than the actual support

Well, she was worse than other supports in the league. So being publicity was the only thing she could provide

I saw the reply of one of their games their midlane played katarina so badly I swear an average silver player would perform better she was so bad it looked like she was trolling she just jumped in did no damage and died every time

@@itailvl1 you have to understand that everyone played bad at that time. Players didnt put much thought into the game and just played

well all of the female VAE players were either main or secondary support.

Sounds ab right

@@tobiramatime maybe in soloq yes but in professoinal i very highly doubt that

Thats actually cool

Vai mayumi lol porraaaaaaaaaaaaa

I really don't understand yet why mayumi is on the thumbnail

@@vinicius9447 because she’s in the video..

I mean it only depends on women

it's so cool to see you here! do you think you'd be able to talk about it more in the future? as a woman myself i am pretty interested in what happened. much love ❤️

@@vifoxi I don't mind talking about it personally but it's just so long ago that I kind of just don't care at the same time. It is a little sad to see how badly misinformed people are though because of certain articles or 1 ex member who ranted out of anger while breaching her NDA. No one could ever say anything else since we were all NDA locked to say what really happened

what is nda? plat-dia elo is not competitive anyways as a d2 player.

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@@WasimulAkram you piss yourself when youre close to a woman stop talking for the love of god

@@WasimulAkram bro 💀

@@WasimulAkram when Wasimul Akram Maruf decides to be sexist 💀

@@WasimulAkram LMAO

@@Zalgo-hr6qc Evolutionary changes made long before humanity was even a glimmer in our ancestors' eye made it so humans are only ever born with brown hair and dark skin, and that's ok. Seriously man, chill out. The 'average man vs average woman' argument doesn't work when you're talking about one-in-a-million, tip-of-the-bell-curve exceptions to the norm, which is what people like Faker, Chovy, Showmaker and so on are. The primary reason there are no female players at that high of a level is that there just aren't that many highly dedicated female League players to begin with. Also, there's a stark difference between LCS competitive and LCK/LPL competitive too (to the point that most teams in NA have Asian players in them, but no successful teams in LCK/LPL import from NA) but that doesn't mean Asian people are genetically predisposed to being better at League.

@@Zalgo-hr6qc What the hell u talking about💀 Female with mechanics cant be true? Are you like serious rn?

@@Zalgo-hr6qc You know that it depends on genes how good can you react to things and get good at things. How you know that they cant do that?

@@Zalgo-hr6qcwhhy are you talking about evolution lol, women just arent raised on video games generally due to marketing

@@Zalgo-hr6qc You ok, buddy? Cuz to my knowledge, practice makes perfect. Sure, genes can help you perform some things better than others, but it has nothing to do with gender. Also, what does evolution have to do with gaming and esports? xD

i played a different moba on my phone a few years ago. it was infuriating. people just wouldnt do as told, and thus we'd lose....i have never in my life been as toxic as i was in that game.....after a few weeks of that, i just uninstalled it.

But everything women do are better than men so why can't they stay friends amirite?

@@sabin97 Sometimes League can get rough when no one will help with an objective, but beyond that you can't be trying to control randoms in a game, you have to just play and try to have fun. I can't imagine thinking I know every correct play and then get mad at randos for not doing the play in my head that although I think is correct could be the wrong call

@@orion10x10 i dont play games to "have fun". i play to win. if the teammates arent gonna try to win, then there's no use in playing with them. uninstalling that game was the best thing i ever did. also those games arent as complex as some people seem to think they are. the correct way to play is generally very obvious. which makes it even more infuriating when randos wont simply do what needs to be done to win, but they would rather "have fun" and lose.

​@@sabin97i think you should stay away from competitive games.

Ive noticed that in my country, 8 out of 10the female esports member are good looking while the males are 2 out of 10, and the bad looking girls arent as hyped too.

It's rather sad to see, many creators - gamers or other - when female go the sex sells route. When I watch a female bass player, I want good bass playing - if she likes skimpy outfits, that's her decision , if she just wears it to cater to the incels ... sad, but fleece them!

@helnyx You are utterly and absolutely ignorant if you whole heartedly believe women don't ALSO jump in on these hate trains. Women are BY FAR more judgmental of one another.... Yet....you're blaming men....and I'm a man....

@helnyx Lmao Gamers are such losers!

@@bladerunner3314 I disagree with your last statement. We shouldn't be encouraging fleecing, scamming, and taking advantage of people. Why we don't allow snake oil salesmen, they take advantage of others. Onlyfans "models", and other individuals do. If they want to wear skimpy outfits, thats on the individual, i don't care. But, we shouldn't be allowing people to use their influence and power to fleece and scam people. Just because they're pretty doesn't mean they get a pass.

Faaaacts

Ok sure, that WOULD be a problem, except you still can't name more than maybe like ONE at most that that has happened to. Because that isn't the main problem. If it was, it would have happened a few times by now.

Man i wanna know why are Girls bad at Video Games there has to be a Logikal Reason live example: my sister plays PUBG mobile all day (and some other Mobile FPS games) and she is good at it but when she asks me to play with her say 1v1 i who dont play muh games or just Komputer Games Still somehow play at her lvl or better i dont get it how she who plays the game all day still kinda lose to me who prolly played that game like onke a year man i think its just Biologikal Men are better at doing Single Task whereas Woman are Good at Multitasking and also Losing and winning games gives more motivation to men than Women

@@self-proclaimedanimator Men got better spatial awarness, singular focus(as you said), reflexes, more competitive etc. It's not rocket science(which happens to be another field men excel in). Women are better at people(unless it's other women they feel threatened by) and feelings etc. Sure there are women that's more compeititve than your average man but they are not more driven or competitive than the most driven and competitive man. It's really simple, how many women/girls do you know(of) that grind and actually try to improve at a game, we talk 10 hours+ per day for years. Sure there are some streamers but in my experience they are more driven by social networking and their community than the game itself. There are always exceptions but they are very rare. Adding to that gaming is traditionally a male hobby. I don't see this as a sexism issue or whatever as some would have you believe, men simply enjoy, competitive, games more for whatever reason. If anything I have seen multiple female gamers(that's decently good but nowhere near pro-level) getting to take shortcut by playing with real pros and learning from them.

​@@self-proclaimedanimator are there any girls in any games at top level? Not even like pro level but just diamond (without being carried)

@@lmntsgames3848 women actually are not as competetive as men due to some hormones or whatever im not a expert but biologically they arent wired to be competetive

There were 4 female players last year in CBLOL ACADEMY, one even got to play a playoff series in the split 1

she wasnt hired in the first place for skill it seems like only PR stunt, having cute girl to increase their popularity

We won't and it is never happening as it is based on natural reasons. Women, in general, are a lot less interested in competitive video games compared to men - this mostly comes from their biology and the same could be seen in traditional sports (that's why women football and basketball is basically laughable compared to the men). I could see it changing but it would require a gigantic culture shift and trying to encourage young girls to try as hard as they can to become good in a video game which, as it is proven, most girls are not interested in. It is not an underrepresentation issue and it will never be. That's how we as humans are and we should accept it and leave it as it is. There could be a successful individual cases in the future but man will still dominate the scene because they are simply better at competitive e-sports. We could potentially have an all-women local league but then do you think people would be able to assemble at least 10 teams of women ready to compete at this level? And do you think that people would actually watch that gameplay? I do not think so.

unless More Women actually play the game and are on the same level as the rest if the competition it very unlikely for this to happen unfortunately

100%.

wow someone who has logic. what a refreshing sight. Yea boy's at age 10 go to each other's house to nerd out and play video games for untold hours. then one of them turns out to adapt and have the drive to be better than his 4 other friends. He becomes better then them and later moves on the play with even better people. Getting admiration from his friends he goes on to play even more untill he reaches a ceiling. then he either becomes a pro or simply plays for the casaul shits n giggles with his friends. Wow that was hard. i guess i can get about a million dollars now writing this article with my new surname sarkeesian. Nonono i guess its alot easier to just ignore the cultural impact of the young competitive space that boys have and just call evry man a toxic girl hating incel. Yes thats how i dont have to admit my own shortcomings or misunderstanding about the evolution of pro gamers.

@@FuckoffgoogleGetDoxxed ur long ass reply has nth to do with the original cmt, & sounds stupid honestly. But I still read it to the end so u should be happy.

I would say it's more about understanding that men are tossed into annything without any support and uplifting from anyone in 99% of life, and when you are used to that, being flamed in a compedative game just becomes backgrount noise you can tune out and focus on being better, since only women and dogs are loved unconditionaly, and a man is only loved with the condition that he provides something, and in gaming that is generaly skill or entertainment to the audiance of said game. Things where you have to eaither be at the top, or fail misserably, since gaming in it's primal form is pure meritocracy. Women on the other hand have grown up from the verry beginning being loved unconditionaly and given things without even puting in effort, so when they enter a meritocracy, to them it seems like bullying. Thies are the general treatments in western societies of the genders, men are worthless unless they are usefull, and women are held up even when usless. If you REALY want women in a meritocratic field, you need to make them adapt to meritocracy, or you will eaither kill the field due to it not being meritocratic annymore, or failing all the women you force into that field who cant adapt. All in all, men like meritocracy in general, due "fair play" that they learn while being challanged cooperating and competing from the get go, while women close to never get that mindset due to them being sheltered and already loved so meritocracy would be a downgrade over the sophistry they are used to

Hopefully when the gaming scene becomes more welcoming and girls start spending enough time to get good enough for pro level gaming, we’ll see more representation. The culture is changing. I don’t actually play league or many games but I used to play Valorant and Minecraft and I’ve dealt with a fair amount of misogyny and prejudice just from being a girl. I hope people start changing their minds.

@@amampersanda you can have the most welcoming space ever, it wount actualy change the fact of how investment distribution between the sexes are unless you force women to grind more then they want to... men make up the top and bottom extremes of all distribution, and especialy in a compedative game, to reach the top takes way more investment, than what women have shown they are willing to do, so unless you force women to invest more than they want to, you wount get women in the top. You are deflecting personal choice with "sexism", and proving that if normal trash talk (wich is impossible to get rid of in any compedative game/sport due to human nature), you dont have the mental fortitude to reach high on your own. The top in gaming get there not due to sophestry/flaming, they get there DESPITE it all

I did the same thing. ^^

Wow hard to be you. Bad men said you suck cause you're woman :OOOOOO. At that time men to men: are offended in all sorts of ways, they find out every day who their mother slept with etc... Women's hell really

i often did the same thing with other games, i don't play league. it's just easier to pretend you're a guy. you don't get asked dumb questions or get told uncomfortable comments. in general, i tend to avoid saying i'm a girl in male-dominated spaces.

I was never asked my gender lol, everyone assumed I was a guy by my playstyle and they only found out when we vced after we played for bit some time.

You can cry about "misogyny" if you want, but the fact is that most female gamers play into this. I started avoiding any lfg posts where the host is obviously a girl gamer because they always behave the same way. They flirt and talk about sex, play poorly because they seemingly aren't paying attention, and I've actually been kicked by multiple parties after it's mentioned that I have a girlfriend. I'm assuming they do this because they can get carried easier by thirsty kids, but honestly I don't know. Either way, after a couple dozen experiences like this, I just started avoiding them. If someone doesn't mention that they are a girl/doesn't have some thirst-pic as a gamer profile, I wouldn't care and I'd give them the same chance I give anyone else. But by the actions of the girls I've played with I've learned that if I want to have fun and have some good games, don't play with girls. They are too toxic.

I wish i could watch her. but 1: she streams like once every 2 months. and 2: she streams only in Portuguese sooo its not really appealing to english users

@@Backslash962 mucalol

@@Backslash962 She streams for China in english.

@@Backslash962 Yeah, thats the downside bro. But honestly she has content in english. Just not sure where u can find it lol

Get a load of these simps

Most games don't make girls feel welcomed. Guys reallllyyy are toxic.

@@novaangle2183 yeah that helps lol

@@novaangle2183 is this toxic femininity?

I love video games but i do it for fun on my spare time..just not competitively

@@novaangle2183 But women are perfect apparently, you are not sexist at all

sameeeeee it would be so cool to watch, so exciting for all the girls that play

After having seen many female players on twitch and any other platform , i say that will never happen .

Except very few girls are willing to grind the training necessary to get to that level

way less people and objectively worse conditions, extremely improbably unfortunately

Spoiler alert, it will not happen.

It's tough to find 5 players who fit the roles for a team and have decent cooperation just out of girls, the proportion of girls to guys in high elo is too extreme to have a competitive team of just women, but as people have pointed out, a mixed team could work in theory.

@@mw2zorzest True but the thing is i have never seen a female high elo top laner, jungler and have only seen 1 Midlader. Most of them play support or adc and there is better players that play support and adc. So i feel like we wont have a good female team for a while or never.

I’m a diamond top laner, we exist.

@@rhiannonlois6880 Thats not high elo compared to 120% of pros most of them are grandmaster/challenger players even if there rank is lower than that

@@golden-kappa5921 more likely i think over 5 years we will see a few females sprinkled in with the mostly male teams.

The fact is that it's up to those gamers to uplift themselves. If you're just better than everyone else, nobody is going to give a crap about your gender. Sure you'll get some negative comments, but that's not just because of your gender. Look at NRG Dizzy and how people made fun of him for how he looked when he had a face reveal.

@@Va11idus try being a girl and understand why its hard. I really good gamer in general. I've been gaming since I was 9. BUT BEING GOOD AND A FEMALE MEANT NO ONE THAT WAS A GUY THAT WAS ACTUALLY GOOOOOD AT THE GAME WANTED TO PLAY WITH ME. I don't understand how people don't get that. gaming community.. especially the COMP side.. is beyond toxic. How do you expect women to perform in games that require call outs and lost of gaming experience??? point being. its harder. guys will never understand what its like to be a girl because when we get hate on the internet you turn the other way. when there is a weird pushed narrative that when have it easy.. we get more harassed. imagine being 9 and having guy in lobbies hit on you. or be in lobbies and people simple think ur just a little boy. or being a girl and getting kicked just because they think ur jailbait or a pedo. YET IVE NEVER SEEEEN NNOT EVEN 1 VIDEO ADRESSSSS THISSSSSSSSSS.

@@alaneyboss3962 why would anyone address that? I've literally never heard of any of this, and frankly I don't believe you. So why would anyone make a video addressing a problem that largely doesn't exist?

​@alaneyboss3962 Oh cry me a river. You girls get everything else handed to you in life now more than ever. If you girls can't break into one thing it's not the end of the world. Plus you totally can these days with all of the feminists and soyboys running these leagues/tournaments these days.

@@alaneyboss3962 I can see why no one wouldn't want to play with you with how you rant.

Athena? Were they Greek?🤔

@@Facade953 It's s reference to the Greek goddess Athenea, the team was Korean.

Yeah that could be for any male team too, if you put them in roles they don't play, don't expect a grand result from it.

Wtf happened to Remilia?

@@1911Zoey Died on her sleep on December 27, 2019, age 24

remilia was a transexual just because u say you're a woman doesn't mean u actually are , identifying as something doesn't make you it , scientifically and logically its a dude pretending to be a woman , so technically wasn't even a girl lol, just because some people are going to get offended if u call him a dude doesn't mean we sexist or horrible people dont like the truth then dont pretend someone you're not

F :(

Wasn't she a trans? I remember watching 'her' games. No offence intended.

Are you gonna sub bro, lemme know if her content is good if you do sub ;)

@@efaesfefse9236 its good

@@efaesfefse9236 i mean im not weird just curious

same Eren kardesim same :D harbiden ben de kola iciyordum

Man i have to go research on her now 😂😂😂😂

is it still 50% off?

@@shalltearbloodfallen7341 u joking right 💀

@@LeoNomi10 🗿🗿🗿

@@shalltearbloodfallen7341 ill take that as a yes

@@sinsiliuxs120 i respec the hussle, if i was a girl and i was in need for money i wuld just do it, these only fans creator earn a bag

yeah, I get it. as a man, I know a few gals that can play. I've also witnessed some negativity towards women in a few chats, but you gotta find your friend's groups. Heck, I've witnessed guys and gals form romantic relationships online and they play league and other games together and that's really sweet. All and all gaming and woman is a mixed back and you can make your experience great, you just gotta know where to look.

And yet there are female pro gamers playing Street Fighter and Tekken getting to Top 10, cry more.

It’s true. I wanted to play games like valorant, but I couldn’t after watching videos of male players harassing women.

@@areallybigdwarf4560 A prime example of the environment women don’t like. I’m glad that some women have experienced success in those games, but it doesn’t account for the vast majority of women who play games. I wasn’t really talking about ranking or having professional success, just kinda the overall daily experience and why that may dissuade some girls from actually getting into games but go off

@@errettfitchett2463, I definitely agree! I've made some great friends playing games and even had a fleeting romance with a guy I used to play Overwatch with. I get having a group, but I also think one of the best things about gaming was the Russian roulette style of queuing with randoms. I don't think it's fair that women should have to change the way they navigate playing games to avoid being harassed when it should just be commonplace to not harass people 💀Lately it hasn't even felt like negativity just actual grossness, but I feel like no matter how many bad apples most people, of course, are gonna remember the positives!

no that is not how it works, they were already far too old to even being. You do realize that esport players begin playing their respective game at early ages like 8 - 10 yrs old and then play that game for a decade with thousands of hours and they already had great talent to begin with, in Starcraft 2 an example is CLEM, he was only 17 I believe when he became top three terran in world (one of the only players not from south korea lmao, instead he's from france!) and at that point he had already been playing for over 7 years, the same game for hour almost everyday. That is the level required to reach the top in any of these games, it is not something you decide to do in your mid teens.

I mean, no? No female gamers have consistently (this is the operative word) placed in ultra high ELO/competitive brackets ever which is the BARE MINIMUM to even be considered good enough to compete in the tournament scene. The fact is you'd be lucky to have a few B tier female players in the tourney scene across all regions, the chances of getting an all female one is ridiculously miniscule.

No, the shitty thing about League is how they keep changing metas EVERY DAMN SEASON. They took away runes and made some other BS mechanics which pretty much forces everyone to learn the new system. It got so damn annoying, and the player base got dumber, that's why I just quit before I end up in prison for domestic abuse.

Unfortunately, overwatch imploded

Scarlet from Starcraft 2 although I don't know if she still plays, been years since I last watched sc2 pro scene

don't know about tha there was a female harthstone player that won the equivelent of worlds

@@werenostrangerstolove7739 debatable, it depends on OW2 success

@@makkilatte6288 she still plays but she can't get past other strong players right now.. Zerg players in EU are really strong.. you have Serral and Reynor, not to forget Clem who is just absurd in Terran..

Geguri, a female Overwatch player, was considered the best Zarya player for a time and had incredible success through the 2020 Overwatch season. Women and girls are just as capable of being good at games but toxic communities of nerds whose fragile masculinity can't accept being worse than a woman try to bully them out.

Everyone gets cussed out and picked on. Part of being the best is overcoming every odd. The reality is, this why women aren’t the best at gaming. They’re not mentally cut out for it. There is no physical reason for women not to be excellent at gaming unlike in sports. Women just aren’t built to rise to the top. There is no evolutionary advantage to it at all. Men on the other hand live by a different set of evolutionary rules. It’s the truth.

copium

@@HopefulNihilist pure uncut copium at that.

It is cruel

Its not cruel if you fail due to your own weekness

@@skknireeker9073 "weekness" yeah we know you're pretty weak at spelling too pal

I think that's the case with more casual games or at least at the casual level of competitive games. But once you spend enough time on said competitive game it's only natural for you to want to become the best. But ye "perhaps the real treasure is the friends we made along the way".

geguri!! that's her name -- love her sm.

When you re a woman and display this lvl of skill off course it will affect how people react to you. The lvl of skill she had was akin to finding a jewel when usually you would find nothing. She was on another lvl as what was usually seen on the gamer girl scene. She was a phenomenon. Something nobody expected.

@@Gallois59 she was a phenomenon but she still didn't deserve to be treated the way she was during the whole aimbot debacle, which was truly the saddest thing that happened. usually when you find a diamond in the midst of nothing, you would treat it preciously...

@@rei_tan Never been acccused of cheating ? Being accused of being one is a badge you should wear proudly, it s a testament to your skill and every competent player will have to face it one day or another. Do not suffer the fool who is beneath you.

@@Gallois59 I'm talking about how she was treated in a very misogynistic manner online.

What a strange comment. You acknowledge how toxic they were, and then turn around and say that they were attacked for no good reason? These toxic women literally made gender the topic de jure, so of course gender is going to be a part of the discourse and the insults. If they didn't want their gender to be a focal point for their team, then they shouldn't have explicitly made it so.

@@TRENCHESandTREADS What are you on about man?. Explicitly stated or not, they're would still be seen as an "all female LoL team". Before anyone even knew how toxic (only one of the team members was toxic if I'm correct) they were, they we're getting hate for being female. Don't try to excuse the hate they got by saying they were toxic. Sounding like a hardcore misogynist.

I agree that an apology was unnecessary, but I also understand why people were angry. They were being elevated because they were beautiful women, not because they were good at the game. To use left leaning terminology, they were _privileged_ over other competitors who were more deserving and people resented that. Also, do you have any idea how men treat other men in competitive e-sports? Sure they used gendered insults against the women, but that was only because they thought that's what would hurt the most. (The entire point of insults is to be offensive). Against other men, the insults are just as bad, only different.

@@TRENCHESandTREADS they were attacked before any allegations of toxicity was made. ONE person was kinda toxic to her friends. The group as a whole shouldn’t be punished for that. And I don’t really think sexism is a good punishment

@@FreakazoidRobots they weren’t an esports team tho. They were just a group a friends that made a “content house”. Why be sexist?

Thanks for watching, my friend! I hope you're right! lol

@@NicolaiLol What did I tell you, 700k already, almost there :)

@@ivailoivanov01 Hey, that's right! Thank you for sending me your positive energy!

Problem is, most guys here probably haven't hanged out with a large group of girls before. I happened to be thrown in a couple of projects in university where I was the only, or one of two guys working with a large group of girls. When the group gets big enough, you always see them undermining and talking bad about each other to improve their own position. I don't think you can see good teamplay from female in sports like football, where a large team is involved.

I disagree immensely as another woman, that’s more of a you issue. I used to think like that, but as I’ve grown I’ve found that I can actually get along just fine with other woman, working with them as a team and getting shit done. I’ve also spent my fair share of time with male friends who you’d swear despise each other every single day. It’s not a gendered issue. Don’t pretend it is

Thank you for speaking the truth, I constantly see it alot girls don't get along well with each other, guys can bond very easily and quickly with each other instead that's why there are more in esports

When and If a woman ever has the skill to compete, there will be no "Uphill battle". Results don't lie, and no team worth a damn would argue against results. There will be jokes, sure, but being female isn't holding anyone back. There's just no one good enough to break that ceiling, probably because they don't invest 8-20 hours a day practicing, like some of the highest level male players, and I mean actual practice, doing drills, and scenarios, and maths, testing builds with numbers backing them. Not just playing ranked for 8 hours straight with zero focus on actual skill development. And men get equally ridiculed and harassed when they lack skill, just no one gives a shit when male gamers get insulted. No one bats an eye when a terrible male player gets called a no life loser, or to touch grass etc. Men get dunked on all the time online. Skill level in E-sports is blatantly and readily available for viewing. So if the player performs well, consistently, it can't be chalked up to sexism / sympathy. Unless the claim is that the other teams are intentionally throwing to make this single player look better, which I doubt, when money is involved for winning. Men outnumber women at least 10-1 already, so for every 1 pro male, there's probably 1,000 awful wood league males. So by basic statistical probability, of course theres going to be more male high level male players. Then factor in the above, that men are more likely to Precision focus on their goal (Even if they are terrible wood league players) and you're already seeing tougher competition. I went to College with HotshotGG and we all laughed at his dumbass when League came out, Guy dropped out of Engineering school to try to go pro on this game that was "Up and coming". Well, safe to say he got the last laugh, to our hubris. Thats the kind of laser focus I'm talking about. Even if it is often stupid (I still would not advise dropping out of Engineering school to try to get famous on a video game). I'd hit Challenger a few seasons in a row, but that was by investing literal 10-14 hours a day playing, whenever I wasn't at work, I was playing, and listening to other pro players, watching their game play, analyzing, going over my own replays, the works, and it was exhausting. And I never went pro, and I'm sure there are thousands of other players who are better than me, who have the same fate. TL:DR Nothing is holding women back in e-sports except their willingness to fully commit, and legitimately train/practice. It's not enough to just want something, you need to put in legitimate, hard work - which may NEVER pay off. Male or female.

@@HauntingSpectre There are a lot of examples of very high level women getting bullied and harrased for being good and called out for hacks non stop, after proving they arent using any. So yeah, people still argue against results, they always find a way. You also get female streamers who are extremely good at their games and get much more stream sniped than guys at the same level to the point where its unberable to play. Im not saying we should add a woman just for her gender, but you are being extremmely biased if you arent willing to see how there are disadvantages they and only they have to face

@@sofiabruiz17 And do you watch how other streamers get stream sniped and Swatted? Happens to both genders. Just because we ignore it when it happens to men doesnt mean it doesnt happen. Hell Ive seen male streamers have people break into their house while they are streaming. Having literally hunted them down to streamsnipe irl. Show me a female streamer that can compete with top level players. Chances are they cant. Being "high level" isn't enough. You need to be Elite. Like I said, I hit challenger and that wasnt enough, but a team of diamond level players were expected to compete? Your claim that it "happens to women more" is completely unverified. You would have to be tracking literally all streamers to make that assessment with out bias. The difference is when it happens to a woman, people acknowledge it more and treat them with kid gloves. When it happens to a dude, nobody cares at all, unless hes super famous. Ive seen streamers playing single player games get stream sniped and hacked. The reality is, is that women are just generally more sensible than men and not going to take the same risks. Such as commiting 14 hours a day to a video game for a chance to go pro. Theres thousands more men who have tried, and failed, than there are women who even attempt it. So of course there are more succesful men. When and if a woman has the skill level, it will be recognised. That doesnt mean they wont get hate. Even the top male players get hate mail and trolled. As do most famous people, whether they be olympic athletes or rockstars. Such is the nature of jealousy. It also doesnt help that men have better reflexes on average. Which gives them an edge. Especially when precision focused. Women see colour better, but thats not really a tangible benefit in a MoBA. Nor is being more empathetic. For every successful male streamer / esport player. Theres probably 100,000 failed Male players. In comparison to the maybe 1000 failed female streamers / esports players. And this is not me shitting on women. As I said they are just more sensible and not remotely as likely to go balls to the wall hardcore on something. Which yes, does affect those who try to become pro because they arent 100% committed. Where as a man will be drowning, diving headfirst into a 2 foot pool chasing the dream of being a pro even though he may never leave wood league. Which is why too much determination / laser focus is not a good thing unless you have the talent to back it up. The irony is you say Im biased, but Im saying that women can compete, and it wont be an issue. IF they have the skill to compete. Men also need the skills and if they dont have them. Guess what. They dont deserve the spot either. But again. No one cares about how many men failed. They only see the 20-40 successful ones. Ignoring the literal millions of others who never made it. Where as you and buddy are basically saying "itll never happen. Society hates women. Dont bother". Female gamers absolutely can compete. They just need to be as dedicated as the COMPETITION. Which happens to be predominantly male, simply because men are more stubborn and competitive. For better or worse. Like really. League is what. 90% played by men. And there are what. 50-100 pro players. Now subtract that from LOLs daily player count, and look at how many men ALSO are not skilled enough to be at the top. Its not remotely easy to be elite level at anything. Especially when those who are elite play and practice more than any regular person feasibly can. They dedicate literally their entire lives to that one thing.

@@HauntingSpectre i think ur purposely denying it. Its clear to see women face blatant sexism and harassment simply because most games are male dominated. Therefore believe it or not, this will hinder somebody's performance. Imagine coming home to play ur favourite game only to be harassed the entire time,not very enjoyable is it? Ive seen men purposely sabotage the game cuz a woman was on top of the leader board. does that happen to men? i'd think it doesnt. Everyone faces toxicity, yes, but women face it much much more, theres no denying that

@@iren5792 Theres also players who purposely sabotage male players. Toxicity doesnt hold back those players. So infantilizing women and claiming they are unable to compete because they cant handle toxicity, is in fact, you being sexist. Treating women as if they are too fragile to handle the exact same toxic behaviours that happen to males. Doesnt matter what kind of toxicity it is. Toxicity is toxicity. You either develop thick skin and the skill to win, or you give up. Male or female doesnt matter. Asian players experience racism. They still manage to be top level, and in fact dominate even at the elite tier. Doesnt matter what "ism" the toxicity is. Toxic is toxic. Simple as. Does it make it right that people receive it, of course not. But it goes with the territory. You guys are claiming women are too emotionally pathetic to deal with toxicity like men do, and thats why they fail. When in fact its a skill issue. Dont know about you, but id rather be told to "git gud l2p scrub" from my opponents, rather than "youre a woman society hates you. Youll never win" by people claiming to support me. Its people like you who hold women back, because you're basically telling them "you'll never make it so dont bother." When instead you should be saying "prove to the haters that you cant and wont be stopped become so good they CANT ignore you". Which is a very similar Mantra Mike Tyson's boxing coach gave him when he was a 13 year old boy. The road to triumph is not easy. For anyone. Its filled with doubt, and hate, and people trying to keep you down. No matter what you do. If you see obstacles as road blocks that cant be beat. Youll never be anybody. Its about perseverance, dedication, and a willingness to fail over and over but keep improving. No matter what people say about you. And the truth is, even that isnt enough. For men or women. Less than 0.5% of all players, athletes, singers, musicians, etc will ever reach Superstardom, or mass success at an elite level. But people try (and fail) despite that. Doesnt matter if you think you can, or you cant. Your right. And if you make excuses or doubt yourself. Youve lost before you even started. If you want to be a boss bitch, then be a boss bitch. Roll with the punches and swing back harder. Dont make excuses and pretend someone else is holding you back. Quit holding yourself back. Edit: There are literally people im severe accidents who are semi-fully paralyzed who are told by Elite doctors and surgeons and specialists "youll never walk again" And yet those people still drag themselves on the floor. Little by little. Refusing to give up. And to everyones surprise. They walk and move again. But you think some mean opinions online is the real thing holding women back.

dident players/teams also get fined for "banning to manny support characters" against them?

@@gampie13 Which is ridiculous, because that's part of the game. You know the team is a PR stunt when the entire system has to bend over backwards to prop them up.

I know it's hard to swallow pill today but Men and Women aren't the SAME. That's why we have a gender division in (almost?) every sport

@@gampie13 didn't*. no "e".

@@hikkaru9751 It's not a hard pill to swallow; it's the plain truth you're saying. An exact reason why there's a women's and male's ONLY gymnastics event category specific to their sex, not what they identify as mentally.

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That's exactly what it is.

No, it's not possible and has nothing to do with numbers. Men are better. That's the only reason why.

It's not possible, it's a fact women typically don't get along with each other as well as men do

@@themonsterunderyourbed9408simply untrue

​@@InternalxHDanother reason, that 1 out of 1000 team which would be made of women, atleast 4 out of 5 members in that team would blame their inevitable failure on misogyny and cry on the internet to gather attention and in turn try to sue the organisation, destroying the whole fun in the process. Also there r all women leagues anyways so after filling that there wouldn't be any pro girls left to compete. U know that there aren't 1000 teams in a tournament, maximum 50 or so. So the probably of a girls team being qualified in a fair manner is very unlikely. Most likely for 'goodwill' the organisation will be forced to take some girl's teams , at the cost of boys, and that would not be liked by anyone who loves fair play. If u allow it naturally, the chance of a girl being there was always there from day 1, no one barred them , just the fact that they suck so they didn't get in there. apart from the fact that men play a lot more, in the competitive league, men r the only ones available as pros. Women who stream or r given chance to play in tournaments r much more likely to cheat as u can see , apart from the fact that they suck. Proving again that this isn't their place. By theory of probability a women's team can definitely get qualified on their own and win, but with the feminist media and society we live in, that would most likely never be the case. If a women's team get's to say top100 in the world and the tournament takes say 20 top teams, they won't get there by fair play, but unfortunately the organisation may simp and let them play anyway. Taking out a deserving men's team and the women's team would lose humiliatingly anyways. Completely naturally they would never get there becuz society is simp. Let's say if someone people stop simping and they get chance fairly, not a single boy would lose their mind. They would play them like anyone else and they will get an average result. Which is fine. Hopefully we get the 2nd and not first. And girls, if u love fair play, don't fucking complain, just get better and then play at the top level. It's common sense, a boy won't get anywhere by complaining for life if his gameplay sucks, consider urself such way and either get good at the game or leave, stop complaining about made up problems.

aint gonna happen in a verrrrrry long time

Maybe mixed male and female team would be better rather than being fixated on making a team purposefully 100% female.

@@HavanaSyndrome69 No, that wont work either. That would last all of 5 minutes before a sexual harassment lawsuit Just face facts: Women will NEVER be any serious part of pro gaming. It doesnt work anymore than the idea of an underwater BBQ. Neat idea, doesnt work

That's the only sensible way. Just make female only tournaments like in normal sport.

@@HavanaSyndrome69 I mean, they should really just start with Skilled players first. Why they'd take a bunch of Diamond players, and expect them to go pro is beyond me. I hit challenger a few seasons in a row, and I never went pro. There would be like 100,000,000 "Pro" teams if you only needed to be Diamond to qualify / win. Tournaments would have to be round robin of like 10,000 teams a tournament.

The only platform where women do better than men.

@@johanw2267 i mean what does that say tho? society has put women in a box where the only attention they can get is if they are promiscuous or attractive. Nobody wants to watch an unattractive girl play when they can just go watch men play. This comes from historical sexist ideologies bruh and yall men literally wont comprehend that even if it is happening in front of u.

@@iren5792 nah that is incorrect. Sadly youtubes femfilter won’t let me elaborate on the truth without removing my comment.

Except it 100% matters. Men have better reflexes and make decisions quicker. It's genetics. That's why you'll never see a woman able to compete with men in e-sports or even chess for that matter.

I've seen that, but I've also seen it not be so accurate.

@@NicolaiLol vaguely accurate is better than complete guesswork. I just use it to see if I’m about to watch dogshit tutorials

As a woman, it is better than 90% of period product commercials

@@MissMoontree gamer themed period products please

Yeah but what does that have to do with making sandwiches though?

@@Archedgar Make your own damn sandwich. Your beer gut will thank you for getting off your ass.

I not sure how one becomes a pro player but if they play well enough they would surely be able to enter tryouts and enter the same way most do

@@frankieyuen9363 yes that's the genral way it's supposed to work hell S04 had public applications sent in for anyone who wanted to join their academy team but problem is this was something that one of the managers actually said

@@LIAuNXeNON well first of all its because theres barely any girl in high elo that doesnt primary or secondary play Support

@@checkthebush6500 how would you know that? Besides the accounts of the pros and streamers there is no way for you to know the gender of a player. Also you do know that teams still need support playerss right?

@@LIAuNXeNON less than 10% of players are female, and the challenger rank consists of 0.0019% of the playerbase. Statistically there would only be a handfull of female challengers at best

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Exactly. You are lucky to find 1 human being whos good enough, nevermind a arbitrary restriction on needing to be female. 2 dont exist, nevermind 5

shame you get fined for banning to manny supports^^ xD

how can u say that we're kinda rejecting their presence? u can't be a pro when u have low skill, even if it's above average. I feel sad about Mayumi but yeah the other scene has proven.

stop coming up with excuses for being losers in video games. Nobody tells any woman not to play games, women just assume so, and in fact, if you truly wanted to do something, you do it no matter who says what, that's what determination means. Also hella simps are worshipping gamer girls. If you blame the society telling women not to play games therefore women can't play games, then what about onlyfans? the society and EVERYONE tells women not to do it but women do it anyways,what is your excuse for that? Did these people made the sacrifices that the other pro gamers made? Do you really think the pro players who are men just happen to be there without sacrificing anything? You think this society was cheering the men pro players back then? You think their parents never had any doubt, never shat on them for not going to school but sitting at home playing their "stupid video games"? All I am seeing from this video is a bunch of losers and quitters wannabe pros because they got a quirk. Look at the girls from Hololive playing eldren ring, the game is hard af and they play them just fine, Aqua Minato was competing and owning in Apex tournament against other male and female vtubers.

Men objectively get more harassment then women online, and it's ridiculous that this dumb narrative about 'toxicity' keeps raising it's erroneous head. Do you think Pro male players haven't received thousands of threats? Doxxings? Dyrus couldn't stream a single day without at least one person telling him he was utter crap and he should quit. Get over this utter nonsensical crap about 'toxicity'. It affects men and women, the only difference is women are too soft skinned to put up with it.

@@yosafatdarwin7238 Im not talking about these women specifically not being skilled for the pro leagues, Im talking the lack of women at all at the pro scene. Pro play doesnt exist in a vacuum, psychological studies already show that people perform worse at activities when they know they are socially expected to be bad at them and if you have a culture that already marginalizes a demographic amongst regular play they are obviously not gonna show up in more prestigious pro play, not to speak of the high amounts of targeted harassment that the few female players get on mixed gender pro teams outside of these all women gimmick teams.

@@yosafatdarwin7238 dude.. coming from a girl who plays mobile legends and its top 10 players on multiple heroes and global, lemme tell you that boys are creepy and little babies :)

The best men will always be better than the best women. In everything.

Lol no, more like a sequel!

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So it's still hard to see female gamers huh?

So u broke with the one u love....cool..so much intoxicity.

@@ankubains1752 the break up had nothing do with League

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They didn't challenge the world though. They made a team, advertised their gender more than their gameplay, and then lost constantly. What exactly did they challenge there? All they did was reinforce the gender stereotype that girls suck at games, because they wouldn't shut up about the fact that they're all girls. In any competition you need to let your skills speak for themselves. They didn't do that.

@@DaShikuXI But you also get so many guys in games who can't wait to bring up gender when there's a female streamer or gamer whether they want to shit on them for gaming or get feet pics. Goes both ways.

@@Balloonbot Okay, but what does that have to do with the argument at hand? Men get harassed just as much online as women do, including death threats and sexually derogatory terms, the difference is men learn to put up with it, women on the other hand don't. DaShiku is right, in a pure competition if you're skill can't keep up then you don't deserve to be there. If women are being prevented from competing because people were mean to them online then hooh boy, they wouldn't survive what happens to the male pro gamers when they lose tourneys.

Men dominate every sport.

@@TRENCHESandTREADS This exactly, the fact is simple all these pro's are mostly guys because guys can deal with that kind of shit