I think it’s that every team has gotten better. Also it could be that vitality just isn’t used to being losers, so one loss hits them especially hard. Could explain the unreasonable blowouts. I think they can bounce back.
Yeah vitality are too predictable now, even has had a year to adjusted to their play style and they changed nothing about it. Other teams have gotten better sure but vitality have nothing new while having to adapt to everyone else
This is wrong Kcorp are quite literally just that good. I've said this for a while, while I think Vitality was good last season and Zen is a prodigy type player, the team benefitted off of fear and lack of preparation from other teams. Teams didn't know how to play against him didn't know what to expect and were too afraid to play their normal playstyle against such a threatening opponent. Teams have gotten over that and it's obvious. Vitality has lost to more than just Kcorp. They have lost to Suhh, GentleM8s, and 100%. GentleM8s was more understandable, but the other 2 are not. The team just was never as good and overpowered as people hyped them up to be. They had really lucky timing with bringing Zen in, but now Zen-sanity is over. I think the team still is good and has a lot of potential, but Radoshin has to go and the team has to play more as a team instead of just letting Zen cook, which isn't inherently bad but Zen isn't a cheat code anymore, time to switch things up.
@@kickstart3974 IDK if they necessarily have to make a roster change. It's not necessarily Radosin that's the problem either. Alpha was the only one doing anything in their elimination series, while Zen had 0 goals, only 1 assist and less than 0.3 rating. When Zen is on he's probably still one of if not the best player in the world, but he was far from that in that series.
@@thosko98u cant say zen isnt in form when he hit an mmr record this season. Theres an underlying problem and not just “the players werent playing as they usually do”
@@kickstart3974Vatira is the best 3v3 player, most people who watch will know that. Zen was easily the best last season though. Vati is just special with how consistent he is, and people still can’t read him.
Seems like from watching many vitality series, zen isn’t playing 3rd man like last season. He has been trying to set up team plays and make some stuff happen up front. He seems to always trust alpha and radosin back while he steals boost and bumps. Last season he was crucial on defense and could take any play given to him on 3rd man to shoot.
@@iSys31 lmao I am plat in all modes but I really enjoyed watching his rise and matching what people expected of him with the maturity to play 3rd man and really just sweep up anytime needed on offense or defense. He can clearly be one of the best first men in the league but that’s just not how their dominant play style worked when it was world class.
Banger vid, but would love to see another one w a different team’s win over vitality. Just bc at times it felt as much like “why KC are so disgusting” as “why vitality are falling off”
Guys this happens every year, the World Champions are never as good at the start of the next season. It’s why there’s only ever been one repeating champion, and that was when there was worlds every 6 months.
Only teams that didn't struggle after their worlds wins were DIG after seasons 4 and 5, C9 after season 6 and Vitality after season 7, even BDS despite making back to back grand finals weren't anywhere to be seen in fall and winter
@@krusher181why does he need to explain why tho? its happened with many teams, more specifically with bds last year, or cloud 9 in season 6, literally struggling after coming off of a worlds win
@@Kataru210 highly edited videos like theese are very good and deserve more than 800 subs nobody said 10m ur the one that said that id say 10k atleast though
imo the main cause why vitality is not playing great,is because fera was coach at vitality and he knows their playstyle.and cause their playstyle is pretty predictable
So many times the world champs fall the next season, but this is a massive change. I think people realize they have to shut vitality down at the point of the play and give alpha and zen zero space. Meta changed from Zen to team plays and boost steals during relentless offensive presses.
this right here I think Vitality benefitted off of fear and the other teams lack of preparation. People were more or less letting Vitality cook them. Kcorp was the one exception. Vitality was still good and would have still threatened a grand final dub, but the way they swept through spring and worlds was never sustainable and was always bound to crash down to earth. Teams know how to handle them now and have gotten over the Zen-sanity fear that caused them to play passive.
This actually was a good vid. Detailed good examples and not super glazing one team or another, and not completely shitting on another. This deserves more attention, and if u keep putting up content like this, I might as well sub. Gj and keep it up u earned a new fan :)
subbed great vid hex, idk whats happening to vitality tbh, they def seem to be needing some change may that be roster, playstyle, mentality or comms im not really sure.
It's a simple process, these players are world champions already, and it's hard to keep that hungry for throphies, and they are the favorites for every match because they are the current world champions so the pressure is on them, after one or two losses the pressure and anxiety keep piling up. But they will be back, you can't rule them out yet.
What happens to them is nerves of defending champ and loss of confidence. They come into this season with everyones expectation they are gonna keep steamrolling, and they screw up big time in the first qual, and it seemed to screw them badly sadly. Once your fortitutde is broken, all hell breaks lose
Double u vid, but tbf it took more time for VIT to go from top 1 in world to top 8 EU than for BDS to go top 1 world to not qualifying for the major Edit: guys I said double u as a joke😭
Vitality looked very beatable during Gamers 8 in all three formats. and I get that Gamers 8 isn't a 1 to 1 comparison, but the writing was on the wall long before this season even got close to starting. Zen is good, but the whole team was overrated. Zen caused teams to play passive out of fear and to also have little time to prepare due to the late roster change. Zen-sanity has passed Vitality has lost to more than KC this season and are now threatened with missing a major, which in all honesty would be a shame and another L from the format. That being said it really isn't shocking to me that they fell this season even if what I said wasn't true no juggernaut stays on top forever NRG fell overnight, BDS fell overnight, Gen G and Faze fell over night, and now Vitality has as well. It's just part of the game and we might disagree on why they fell but it really isn't shocking.
I dont wanna make assumptions but this is reminding me of "The Tortoise and the Hare" story. One thought they are too good they dont need to practice at all and the other worked their d***s off during off-season. Though tbf we should not ignore johnny's event.
It’s not really that similar when you have already won imo, more like both pressure and less hungry to prove themselves cuz they won the rlcs already (and vatira with kc hungry af cuz they want to win so badly)
imo it just comes down to chemistry, vati and rise were on the same team for awhile, so having tht synergy really worked, and all of kc improved to beat vitality, rise and vati have gone against them a lot so they just learned their moves, and atow being good himself jus locked their whole team as a whole
I think Ferra was the secret sauce Vitality's success while Fairy does have a bunch of experience he has never coached before and you can see it. Zen isnt going for the risky plays like he used to anymore which is what made him so special in the first place you cant keep that talent in a box and expect to succeed
I think zen had an aura of invincibility around him last year that made teams terrified of what he would do at any moment. Mental game is huge to performance in rocket league and zen gave vitality that edge in every match. Now EU has faced him in scrims for 6+ months and he doesn’t scare teams as much anymore. That and the fact that vitality were the so clearly the top dogs that everyone focused on downloading their gameplan
I think Ferra not on vitality anmore is the main reason, but not so much because he "knows vitality" - more because he is just a better coach and he knew how to train and use this combination of players in the best possible way
Hey for me it's simple, when zen came in Spring major, literally no one knew how to play against him so they were destroying everyone now that there's been a 8 month break (and a lot of scrims between) Eu teams now get to know how zen plays, and how he plays with vitality, that's why they are losing right now (my speculation)
Nah eu pros literally played zen for years in ranked, they knew what he was capable of, he was just that good along with 2 insane teammates. I don’t think alpha and radosin are playing as good as they were during their worlds run.
@@mxstery1217 well its not comparable to the Uglyness of Vitalities last season Decal but its Super boring and generic. but in the end its all subjective and personal preference :)
@@joeyvandenmunckhof It's less so that and more so that teams have figured out how to play against them and also have overcome their initial fear of Zen. I think teams just let Vitality walk all over them by playing so passive and too afraid to go on offense out of fear of Zen and his playstyle. Time has passed people aren't afraid anymore and Zen while still a great player can't bully teams like he used to. Rado has to go and another third has to be brought in. So yeah I agree but I think there's more to the story.
guys, you can't say that because Vitality lost some matches, they are falling. They can't win all single tournaments on the game, cause all the EU teams are getting better and are adapting to their playstyle for now, it's only the start of the season (Not hate btw, very good video)
To be honest when watching it looks like vitality just don’t know what to do, it seems like they just play the game whilst KC have a strategy on how to win either that or KC pressure is too much for their defence to handle and they need to work on defending and then regaining possession so they can control the play.
Nothing happened to Vitality. In sports and games it's natural for teams/players to experience a fall after a streak. Also it's hard to keep the motivation up there after you win everything in such short time.
Crazy that they might not even make the major they are 5th rn and could honestly not make it. Do you think we could see a roster change if they don’t make the major?
@@ayhamqassar946 that I'm less sure about. Probably from one of the teams that are good but won't make the major like oxygen, moist, or magbifico. Tbh they might even snag oski from liquid.
I think everyone really overhyped zen for this season. last season zen was obviously the best player but players like vati, dralii are not far behind. Not to mention on paper KC is just a superior team over Vitality and Ferra is the coaching goat.
Vitality vs Karmine corp was supposed to be the best series of the day and ended up being the worst. I said 4-3 karmine, it was 4-0 karmine. Karmine might get their first world championship this year
IMHO, I think radosin was over peaked last season... and he was leading the team. Now, Zen should be the joker but Radosin is not following enough... you just have Zen as magical mecanics... vs KC : Atow AND Vatiragoat...
Zen changed the meta -> Everyone uses the meta While Vatira and rise were already extremely good, they got even more dominant by applying the meta of Zen. I see Radosin as the main reason for why Vitality is not winning atm. He seem to not be as good in defense. I've watched every match of Vitality since last season and I've always believed that he's the 'worst' player in Vitality, eventho I wish I'd be as good as him. That wasn't a problem last season, because not everyone used the new meta at the time and Zen & Alpha made the big plays. Now, Zen & Alpha are still making the plays and Radosin is playing well, but just not good enough anymore. They get punished by players like Rise or Vatira, who are constantly perfoming more than well. Whatelse has changed is that KCorp got the coach of Vitality and he knows exactly how to crush the world champions. They got brutally crushed by KCorp, resulting into some sort of confidence lag in that team, cuz they're not used to losing. I respect Alpha & I believe he's the glue in the team. Zen also plays very well, but seem like he's playing with a lot of trust, perhaps too much trust. Maybe this isn't a big deal if Radosin doesn't have these lags in defence. Please don't get me wrong, I'm jealous of how good Radosin is, but I believe he's the anchor right now. Like everyone else got better at the game, he can do as well, for sure. By the end of the season, I believe Vitality will be a challenger to their rivals KCorp. Thanks for reading :) Maybe I've analysed it wrong while watching the matches, or maybe you agree? Let me know!
@@AmbushRL. Yes yes, I didn't mean that they play like Zen, but they implemented the dynamic usage of the ceiling as much as Zen did previously. That's what I mean :) They're still playing as they were before, but just applying the new meta by Zen much more.
@@kickstart3974 In my opinion he did. His signature move became the meta and is being used much more often after Vitality won the RLCS. Even in around GC 2, people are doing it. Many people say something like "Ohh, I'm Zen" whenever they scored such goal. Don't you agree?
Listen i am gonna be honest. I think the honey moon for top teams in this sport is crazy good. It's now 3 years in a row that a newly formed team demolishes all the others. It happened with Bds and Seiko. Bds was struggling after winnig Fall major, and just before worlds they took Seiko and completely dominated. Gen G after forming dominated NA and won first major. Vitality took zen dominated last Eu split major and world all while bds took Rise and went from bad to second place in worlds (again last minute). The point is that team will get used to a team playstyle the longer you play them. If a top team is formed last second you are goin in against them basically in unknown territory (essentially with the problem you have with bubble team: not knowing how they play, but with a much higher and harder gameplay). It will come a point when that team gets figured out, it happened with bds (with seiko), geng and now Vitality. That's why i don't like allowing teams to change the team just before worlds, it makes no sense and gives top teams an insane amount of advantage over those who stayed together since the beginning
I've said this since last season and I will say it again. Zen is a phenomenal player. However, the only reason Vitality swept the end of the season was because of the fear and shock factor of Zen being brought in so late in the season. This meant that teams that were talented weren't as prepared for them especially internationally and also that teams often times played differently and gave the team too much room to work out of fear of Zen and his abilities. I predicted that Vitality would falter this season I still think they will make majors, but time has passed. The zen-sanity has passed the shock is gone teams are just playing their game and they are starting to win. It still has to be said, that Vitality can sort of blame the format and the seeding that caused Vitality to play KC in round 1. However, it's clear now that Vitality were never this crazy over powered juggernaut. Just a team that took advantage of a late roster change and was at the right place at the right time to sweep through RLCS. This is why out of all the bad in this new format, the reduction of roster changes to one two week period in the middle of the season is a positive. Changing the roster so late never made sense and Vitality just showed how advantageous it can be. Get ready for an actual competitive major it'll be fun.
I’m not reading that, rado is the problem, and alpha is very inconsistent, zen is the best player both in the world and of all time, either get rado out, or zen needs to go to a better more proven team, he came into a roster who got nowhere close to any finals or semi finals, and won 5 events in a row, zen isn’t the problem, he can’t 1v3 every team
No I disagree heavily. You don't magically make your way to worlds nearly undefeated off some "Fear of Zen" mentality or "Late Roster Change" if anything they were at a disadvantage. They still managed to come up and beat most of the established teams so there was obviously talent. More than likely Ferra was very helpful to them and having a coach that can motivate you and discipline you goes a long way. It doesn't exactly help ethier when your coach knows your entire team's play style and mentality runs off to your rival team.
@@YourOneNOnly_ if your team is that good you don't lose to teams like suhhh and 100%. They are still good don't get me wrong but the fear of zen thing was real and you could tell teams were playing overly passive against them. It wasn't just that as I said zen is a very good player. But zen was more hyped than any player ever it made more sense that teams freaked out. At any rate, it's probably multiple factors but if zen came to vitality in fall or even winter instead of spring I think they don't win worlds.
@@YourOneNOnly_ If you watched Vitality this split then you would know that everyone, including Zen, is getting beat on offense. Other teams have just gotten faster and more consistent than Vitality.
