What happens if I make my bike slacker?

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Im such a tease aren't I! Before I built my latest Hex I hinted I was going to be fitting a very special product from Canada and I asked on my socials for you to guess what it could be.
Nobody guessed correctly which wasn't a huge surprise for me, I like to think I keep my finger on the pule of what products are available but this one slipped me by and I only discovered it's existence recently.
I must admit though, I was going to fit this in the bike build but then decided against it as I should probably ride the bike as designed first...so apologies for the wait!
I should also mention that I bought this at full price with my own money but if you wanted to know which model fits Inspired head tubes it's the Oscar 1.5 kit and the head tube is 140mm. The upper bearing is 42mm 45X45 degree and the lower is 52mm 36x45 degree.
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Give the video a watch to see how I got on :)
Cheers!
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@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

In my haste to get filming and the kit fitted I forgot to confirm my bikes head angle as standard. It’s claimed to be 73.5 and both my tyres are the same size etc so I took this to be correct on good faith. I am confused why this 1.5 degree kit has slackened the bike off by 3.5 degrees though, either inspired are wrong, I’ve fitted things incorrectly or there’s more at play than I expected (shorter wheelbase creating a smaller arc around the rear hub exaggerating the effect or the lower cup lifting the frame and also exaggerating it (or both))…any thoughts?

@ExplosiveNotes 2 месяца назад

Also the angle measuring App could be wrong / imprecise ...

@GrigoryRechistov 2 месяца назад

Any measurement of any physical value has limited accuracy. A measurement without estimation of its confidence interval value is of very limited use; it cannot be compared against other numbers. It only gives a magnitude of the phenomenon. Reliable measurement process is not an easy thing to get right, as one learns when doing any sort of science.

@jeffhayes1855 2 месяца назад

Ali, are you laying something flat - like a level- along the floor in line with the bike and calibrating the measurer to that? Floor might not be really level or flat. I’m loving seeing your riding. It’s as inspiring as ever.

@ColinSmith2001 2 месяца назад

The headset angles change the HT angle by 1.5 degrees, but adding the extra HS cup under the headtube makes for a "longer fork" and another 2 degree change?

@richardelsdon2027 2 месяца назад

The lower headset up height is not usually factored into the angle change on these things (might be different with 9point8) and adding 10mm under the headtube will knock the angle back almost a degree as well. Its not uncommon for frame manufacturers to not hit their claimed numbers tho.

@ExplosiveNotes 2 месяца назад

I'll watch it later, but I'm rather confident that the answer to the title of the video is "you have slacker bike" 😁

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

But did I?? (Yes, yes I did)

@Ferrari255GTO 2 месяца назад

@@Ali_Clarkson OR PERHAPS.... Nah not really

@Create_o_raptor 2 месяца назад

These solo filmed riding clips have that classic Ali C charm to it.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Better than with a filmer? Fraser’s away for most of the year so I’m getting my solo filming practice done 😋

@Horstelin 2 месяца назад

As a road biker I'm jealous of your bike handling skills

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Spend 27 years practicing and these skills can be yours too! (Actually probably a LOT less as I’m a slow learner)

@rensellvalencia7179 2 месяца назад

i suggest looking at the video "roadbike party" 1 to 3

@tees_trials 2 месяца назад

Fancy adapter must’ve raised the bb height ever so slightly too? That front pivot to backwards manny blew my tiny mind 🤌 Good to see you back on it man💪

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Yeah slightly but I couldn’t really tell, I should measure it and find out

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Oh and thanks!!

@jackpittens796 2 месяца назад

Slackening the fork lowers the front end and adding the lower cup raises it, so nominally it is nearly a wash so the BB should more or less stay unchanged. If you install the kit the other way around to steepen the angle, it will raise the BB a fair bit.

@tharunshiv 2 месяца назад

I'm struggling to get front hops on a skinny landing in the first place and watching you front hop so easy on anything blows my mind 😂

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

It’s either hop or crash, I choose hops 😂

@MatteoCorvo 2 месяца назад

sick infos and riding! Thanks man! waiting for next experiments!

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Thanks very much!

@UndCon 2 месяца назад

Very good riding. Makes me want to go out find obstacles to conquer.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Off you pop!

@ExplosiveNotes 2 месяца назад

0:19 CT not appearing seriously surprised me 12:10 Glass in Glasgow, what a shock. (Yes, I'm repeating your joke back at you) 17:54 Looking at my stubbed toe, which got very surprised by the furniture, your hoodie already has the color of surprised.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

I’ll make sure to have him included next time :)

@ExplosiveNotes 2 месяца назад

@@Ali_Clarkson Just if both of you feel like it ;)

@markpeterson8978 2 месяца назад

Brilliant riding and experimentation Ali. I really enjoy experimentation on bicycles. As always your riding is spectacular. I think people forget that you are a world class trials rider. Your talent level is so high that we take it for granted. It is going to be a great Summer. Wonderful segment Sir. other than the car noise. Cheers! - M

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Thank you very much!

@jamesbamber86 2 месяца назад

Yeah bro I know what you mean straight to face I’ve got that dialled in 😅😊🙌👍🤩

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Easy to do, tough to master (mainly because most people don’t want to repeat it)

@K_MTB 2 месяца назад

So inspired have the head angle in a balanced place already! As expected. Nice to see an old school street riding video Ali great work!

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

I’d say 70 is too slack for a bike that’s dedicated for street riding so inspired are smart for not going too slack but I do feel bigger wheels need different head angles than on smaller ones…the smaller the wheel the steeper you can (or need) to go, that’s why BMXs are so steep and scooters are even steeper. I think 73.5 on the Hex is slightly too much and actually hurts the bikes ability to carve spins (not that it’s impossible, plenty of people can and do 360 Hexes) and maybe a degree slacker could improve the ride slightly

@ivanmatearajkov 2 месяца назад

I very much get sensory overload at certain spots or busy skateparks, was very nice when Ali mentioned it as I can't remember if I've ever heard someone talk about it before

@gordonrs2005 2 месяца назад

Definitely not alone there. I was out at the local disused quarry a few weeks ago and some guys were ripping Motos around across the other side. The noise really got into my head and couldn't concentrate at all.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Also glad it’s not just me…maybe headphones would help but I still get the visual stimulation…I remember getting mad at a pigeon that was obsessed with something in my peripheral vision when trying a line and would always fly back when I scared it off, I just found it so distracting 😡

@kylestoneham6931 2 месяца назад

I fitted one in my old echo control to make it steeper, big improvement

@ymb9gomez884 2 месяца назад

That was a great vid Ali. 👌 That wee feature down at the water was class. That nose pivot to backwards manual was stunning 😍

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Thank you 😊

@ashleytombs 2 месяца назад

Wow That Hook was just insane just for the fact that Ali hasn’t done one in ages specially that one is a monster

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Thank you! I’m rather happy to get that after do long not doing one!

@ashleytombs 2 месяца назад

@@Ali_Clarkson you’re welcome

@johnfujii5538 2 месяца назад

Oh yeah, I installed a 9 point 8 r head tube on my hard tail over a year ago. It saved the cost of a carbon frame at least. Cane Creek has angle head sets but they don't work on the integrated head tube. The head tube angle of my hard tail now is 68 and it's fantastic.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Glad to hear it :)

@cliffyrodrigues6582 2 месяца назад

So good to see you out on the bike! Great video!!👍👍

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@eartharrow6772 2 месяца назад

I really liked the last spot you used, most local councils have quite a few of them as they are cheaper than plants, but its now a local trials spot hopefully, Thanks Ali

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Local councils ftw (sometimes)

@Ferrari255GTO 2 месяца назад

I actually did know about the SlackR kit, i don't remember who but someone else reviewed it. It's a really neat product

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

I knew there’d be a few who have their finger on the pulse and know about these things! I agree it is cool!

@emanuelgebauer7098 2 месяца назад

Always a treat to see you out riding!

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Thanks very much :)

@CoyWhite 2 месяца назад

I've accepted my fate riding inspired and clipping my front foot on the back of the front wheel with my height. Maybe there is hope! Have to get my hands on this and give it a try... Especially since my hex is still pre-integrated headset.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

You’ve got tons of options then :) I think it’s worth you trying…maybe try a 10mm longer stem with it though so that your weight is still over the front wheel

@rabbitingon2503 2 месяца назад

That hook surprised me! You almost rolled up on first attempt😮 I know it’s not your thing, but what about tilting the bars more forward to compensate for the longer wheel base? Or change the stem maybe? Should help to get your weight over the front end more.

@sempi8159 2 месяца назад

Try making the front end skew. That would be extremely interesting

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

You mean misalign it? 😂 that would be very…interesting indeed!

@sempi8159 2 месяца назад

@@Ali_Clarkson exactly :) im sure it would make some tricks really different!

@sapinva 2 месяца назад

Maybe that would fix my problem of tilting to the forward foot side ☺

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

@@sapinva 😂

@mistacoz 2 месяца назад

Freestyle BMX bikes actually range between 74.5 and 76.25 degrees. Trail and bowl riders go for slack and street riders tend to go steep. Park riders seem to stay in the middle at 75-75.5.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Yeah that makes sense

@mattgies 2 месяца назад

Anybody else notice the spark at 19:10? Pedal pin hit the rock, I guess.

@Sunesha 2 месяца назад

I just play around with my trailbike. I really learn stuff just watching you play around, I am really finding do this kind of trials stuff as fun as other stuff. But just seeing you use the city as your playground inspires me as I live in the city. I sometime when commute just take my mtb and play around.

@Sunesha 2 месяца назад

however I am just at trackstand and balance play level =)

@Sunesha 2 месяца назад

also big fan fo your mod bike projects =)

@steveo7767 2 месяца назад

I went with a TMS EVO6 20R 2022 Frame NOS for my trials build!

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

A decent choice 👌🏻

@HeyWattsUpCycling 2 месяца назад

Ive been saying this for YEARS for road bikes, they get it right on all endurance and gravel bikes but all road racing bikes are about 1-1.5* too steep and too quick/nervous steering. This is exactly why you see the pros riding frame sizes at least 1 sometimes 2 sizes too small for them BUT super compensating with a 130mm or even 140mm stems to make them have the same overall proper fit but to slow down the steering! its crazy. also its the same reason why theres so much "toe overlap" on road bikes...

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Was it Evil that made a slack gravel bike? Looked pretty cool 😎

@WECR Месяц назад

Lo que Usted díce es lo correcto y son unas de las razones porque se abandonó el 650c en Carretera, que jamás debió hacérse.

@dzridesbikes 2 месяца назад

casual god-like front wheel balance at 6:44

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Haha thank you ☺️

@RoPEK123xd 2 месяца назад

14:15 that line was legit fire

@1Life_Dee 2 месяца назад

Like anything Ali. Ehrn we're near thr top of our personal skill range its hard too maintain thr top end of thise skills eithout daily practice. But this said. You still look smooth and tidy with ur riding.... Epic as always. 🤘❤️🔥

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

This is true, I definitely don’t ride enough to improve my riding but if I can maintain my current level then that’s good enough for me, especially as I get older

@1Life_Dee 2 месяца назад

@@Ali_Clarkson ditto

@_odaxelagnia 2 месяца назад

Maaaan your riding is fantastic

@albertomata7809 2 месяца назад

First, I cant believe that your front disc did not get contaminated by spraying oil on top of it haha :) second, I think the angle got slacker than expected because of the extra space added on the lower part of the headset which makes the fork "longer"

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

That wasn’t oil that was disc brake cleaner 😋 And yes good point, I actually checked on 9point8’s site and they do say the angle will come out slacker than stated 👍🏻

@Sunspot-19 2 месяца назад

Ali, my Middlechild came with factory slacker!! Pithy and a punkass bike that gets trialsy quite nicely.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

I’m going to have to google that bike now!

@Sunspot-19 2 месяца назад

By all means!! Love how versatile it is. One change I would make is BB height. Needs to me not more than -25mm, preferably 0mm. Other than that, a real hoot to play in the forest with! RSD is out of Toronto, Canadia.

@mtbworld3904 2 месяца назад

sick stuff mate never fail to impress

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Thank you :)

@Sunspot-19 2 месяца назад

Looking good, overall, Ali!! Riding is happening and you are doing fine. Mend up and get back to your regularly scheduled abuse by bike!

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Thank you! I’ll try but since turning 40 I’ve had a string of bad luck with my health…First getting shingles, then slicing my knee open and this weekend I got food poisoning…is this just what life is like at this age?? Hopefully that’s my bad luck getting out of the way in one chunk for the year 😂

@Sunspot-19 2 месяца назад

Ali, your warranty has expired... Hell, I went through heart surgery in '14. cancer treatment in late '22, into '23. My best therapy has been my RSD Middlechild, equipped with a one speed automatic transmission and from your side of the greater great lake.... Wait for it.... Hope 4 pots, bow and stern. Getting back in the groove is tougher than treatment! My KOXX Red Sky has joined the fray just recently. What a refreshing experience, airing up the tires and playing with a trials punk. Jus, jus recuperate and mend properly... Moderation is your friend here. Your bikes are your physical therapists and tryna help the cause. Keep it light and take your time, my friend!!

@walken199 2 месяца назад

It would be great if inspired could make a bike with a longer wheelbase, longer reach and slacker head tube. There’s a some stuff of that I find better with trials on a mountain bike, it would be cool to have a trials bike with a different geometry.

@peglor 2 месяца назад

There's literally nothing available in 24" or 26" with long geometry, a high BB and dual disks on the trials market since Echo stopped making bikes, which is annoying because that's what I like 😞. The sad thing is I'm at the point in life where I can afford any bike I want, but they're not being made.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

@walken199 I couldn’t agree more! I’ve actually been pestering Inspired to make something just like that…a bike that is in between a MTB and a street trials bike. Even though the Hex is Inspired’s most MTBy model it’s still an extreme bike and someone coming from MTB would still find it a handful. Having a model that’s more relaxed with a slacker head angle, lower bb and longer wheelbase (maybe suspension corrected) would make a fantastic middle-ground bike that would be more forgiving to ride and also a great jack of all trades model. Sadly prototypes are expensive to make and the state of the industry means money is tight for all brands (including Inspired) so I don’t see this happening any time soon :(

@walken199 2 месяца назад

@@Ali_Clarkson it is a shame, because I truly believe that they would be a market for this kind of bike, I personally have been searching for a MTB that would have a geometry more suited for doing trials, but it seems like these days BB are getting lower, head tubes are getting slacker and chainstays are getting longer. Imagine a trials bike that could handle some easier trails, This could open up a lot of possibilities of doing new stuff on a trials bike, and who better than you to promote this kind of bike. I have one question, if you could design a trials bike closer to a MTB would you have it on 26 inch wheels or 27,5?

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

@@walken199 if still had to do legit MTB stuff I’d go 27.5, there’s not a huge disadvantage to the bigger wheels and there’s a ton more wheel and tyre options

@jwmartnet 2 месяца назад

Great video, enjoyed.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Glad to hear it!

@FirelordRob76 2 месяца назад

i'm pretty sure my bmx has 75.5 or 76 degrees to the headtube.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Makes sense, the smaller the wheel the steeper you can go

@pmcmpc 2 месяца назад

So wish there was a way to slacken head angles on road bikes. If you're above an M on most, head angles are a horror show.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Would this system work?

@pmcmpc 2 месяца назад

@@Ali_Clarkson Not really due to integrated cabling, and integration of fork crown and down / head tubes on a lot of bikes.

@Emz_Jhaye 2 месяца назад

Sick skillz! 👍🚴 Nice vid!

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Thanks very much :)

@longwaveforecasters 2 месяца назад

Time to take it on the trails me thinks!

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

MTB trails or dirt jump trails? I only have the MTB version near me

@jeffhayes1855 2 месяца назад

15:25 sweet!

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

😎

@lonoreturns 2 месяца назад

Soon as it went on I was thinking " that looks more like 70•, mibbie 69.7•" Suprised you didn't spot that.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

You’ve got a keen eye!

@jugaloo5873 2 месяца назад

I was expecing mack's 'Ass Pounder 4000' after all the sexy quips!

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

I don’t know the reference sorry 😣

@O.Kbikes 2 месяца назад

Hi, do you have any tips or suggestions for learning to back hop on a 26 xc bike? I have messed around with gearing. i am currently running a 32 front chain ring and 26 tooth rear cog, I have also put wider bars. I have been trying for the past few weeks, and I can get the front wheel up and hop max 2 times, but I always fall off the back. I'm gonna keep on working on it, but I know you have very good knowledge on trials, and you are an amazing rider

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Sure do! I made a while video on them…there’s more info here than I could ever share here 👍🏻 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kyKA6HBaeDs.htmlsi=640DEEFHb-9-4i6k

@alimantado373 2 месяца назад

Whts the point of making the frame slack? Ive been dreaming of a Hex but ride DJ's with trials setup? Doesnt it make everything harder!? Do they do a product that will make a DJ bike less slack? PS: Brought a Eurotech saddle, after watching your last vlog. and Im well impressed👍 As usual your jibs are sick! 💥

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

I’m thinking slacker will make the bike feel more Oldschool and maybe be easier to swap between my MTB without it feeling super twitchy. Turns out it does feel more Oldschool and better for static trials moves and hooks etc. I’d say it also feels more stable in general so might work quite well for bunnyhop 360s without the jackknife effect I sometimes feel with a steeper one. Glad you like the saddle too!

@PunchingCacti 2 месяца назад

I have taken my Inspired Flow to the dirt jump park and any time you get going kinda fast down hill its super sketch with the head tube angle What would be cool is to take the head angle thing combined with a dirt jumper fork and make an inspired dirt jumper

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

You’d have a high bb but it would be a cool experiment!

@talldarkrandom3170 2 месяца назад

How do you find bunny tapping compared to conventional tapping? I tried it last weekend, and my head didn't like it at all, so I just reverted to the 1 and a half stroke system.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

On a short bike bunnyhops are king on anything above wheel height!

@talldarkrandom3170 2 месяца назад

@Ali_Clarkson appreciate that I will have a go at them again tomorrow. My riding is very old school with little finesse. The era of as short a run up as possible gave you respect points.

@KoyotBravo 2 месяца назад

I have one problem with offset headsets, if the cups move, you have a crooked bike. Im curious if someone had encounter this problem

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

True but I’m sure if it was a problem people wouldn’t run them

@kasparondrej2938 2 месяца назад

My Slack-R installed on Yeti ARC was creaking like crazy. I have tried everything but it was no go..shame

@Speedy.V 2 месяца назад

Can you give more info on how you installed it? Did you use grease or carbon paste.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

That’s a shame, no noise from mine yet but it’s early days

@kasparondrej2938 2 месяца назад

Carbon paste, proper torque, blue Locktite but it was creaking after some time. I tried it couple of times but it was still the same. I know it works for other frames, but there is more people with Yeti ARC with the same issue@@Speedy.V

@Speedy.V 2 месяца назад

@@kasparondrej2938 oh no. Sorry to hear that. My frame is not a Yeti and I'll probably not have this issue. Thanks for the reply.

@kisong1960 2 месяца назад

Hey Ali, I haven't seen you doing 180s with the slacker headangle in the video. Do you think it would be noticeably harder with the slacker angle?

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

My spins have seriously deteriorated recently, even the thought of doing a bunnyhop 180 makes me shudder a little bit…no idea why but I need to get back on that horse before I lose my spins altogether!

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Oh and I think it’ll be easier with the slacker angle BUT if I end up putting on a longer stem to help bring my weight over the front a bit more that might counter it slightly

@biketrialbudapest 2 месяца назад

Nice ideal, but is it not increase your BB heigh?

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

It will have but I didn’t notice it

@beiser555 2 месяца назад

Ali is my hero! Forever!

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

For ever ever? Ever ever?

@beiser555 2 месяца назад

@@Ali_Clarkson Of course! No doubt! Best rider in the world.

@Canyon_Shawn 2 месяца назад

How much of the steering tube dose it take up?

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

Not too sure sorry, I had a 15 or 20mm spacer on before I fitted it and afterwards I didn’t need any spacer at all. There’s lots of info on their website if needed 👍🏻

@RoachDogggJR 2 месяца назад

put it ina grim donut for shits n gigs. would prob lay flat

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

That would be wild!

@DCtreeMTB 2 месяца назад

Now make it steeper!

@Speedy.V 2 месяца назад

Does it creak? Or does it move about inside the headset? I know madpec had issues with creaking.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

No creaks but it is early days…annoyingly my cranks started to creak towards the end of the video though :(

@Speedy.V 2 месяца назад

@@Ali_Clarkson this type of kit has been on my radar for a while now. I would like to use it on my full suspension 2018 XC mountain bike. Bring some new life into that rig.

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

@@Speedy.V I found working out exactly which model I needed a bit confusing but once worked out I can’t fault the system so far!

@Juos10kustu 2 месяца назад

is this like a trial bike or what ?

@davidking3699 2 месяца назад

Pro tip for all servants of the Cat species: Don't put them in bags, even if you plan to let them out later... at only 19 seconds in to the video... Cute Thief does not approve of bags, only boxes...

@Ali_Clarkson 2 месяца назад

They seem to like paper bags though! Boxes still reign supreme however