What Happens if you battle the LAST Gym FIRST in Pokemon Scarlet & Violet? 

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Bruh

It’s actually Skele-“dirge”, not Skele-“ridge” as you kept pronouncing it. Also, when you say highest level in the game, do you just mean among the gym leaders? Cuz i fought a team star boss that has pokemon over 50

Thanks for this video. Personnally in terms of roads you think this order have no senses. And my order iiiiis not the best but i had fun. If you're interested : 1 : Rock type Titan 2 : Steel type Titan 3 : Normal type Gym (the best) 4 : Ground type Titan 5 : Dragon type Titan (without the swim capacity 😎, and in legit way) 6 : Water type Gym 7 : Flying type Titan 8 : Ice type Gym 9 : Ghost type Gym 10 : Bug type Gym 11 : Grass type Gym 12 : Electric type Gym 13 : Psychic type Gym 14 : Team Star Dark 15 : Team Star Fight 16 : Team Star Poison 17 : Team Star Fire 18 : Team Star Fairy XD And finally the Team Star was a good surprise for me. In the best Team for me with First Team Plasma and the Team Flare (yeah).

i see a flaw with the title since most of the game can be done in any order there isn't an assigned first -eighth order though i would say try doing the titans as many as possible first a person can literally force there way to most of the map as long as its on land and sure each place has a number given to them notice each number is equal to each type i did the weaker levels of team star last i had the level advantage by then

It's not the same. Nemona is one NPC, while there are 8 gym leaders that would need a couple different teams. It would've been great if they scaled, that would give the game so much replayability.

@@genomaru But I thought every Gym battle have an average of 3 Pokemons?

@@genomaru Doing the gym leaders would only require 64 teams. That’s not a lot in the context of Pokémon. For years, Pokémon games would have hundreds of available trainer battles over the course of a game. Also, after badge 5, you likely could solidify the move sets and just level scale the last three.

all the gym leader scaling teams could fit in a .txt file that doesnt weight more than 1mb, they didnt program them because they didnt have time/didnt want to. just like all the technical issues that were never solved before launch it could be done in a couple hours easily. btw scaling shop items but not scaling gym levels... yikes

@@ffornesp shop items have always been scaled so it's reused code

It’s kind of funny how people praise this game for being open world and not linear when really it’s no different from GSC when you can just choose to do Gyms out of order but there is objectively the same linear gym curve progression that existed in every game and not really any change to the formula from 1999

Play Ultra/Sun/Moon. Ya boy Guzma has that drip.

@@Wynneception I would say the open world concept makes SV a lot different than GSC. Not being able to trace an order to beat the gym leaders (assuming playing blind) and the options available because of the open world concept makes gameplay way more unpredictable and fun. They also made Pryce, Jasmine and Chuck similar levels for options, but it was clear that the game was pushing you to fight Chuck first. Imo the hints were not as obvious in SV

*I had made an elite four-styled team on smogon to battle against friends and...i made the first member use bug type, and this is the team i used, of course with team preview off and the added use of levels to keep some level up moves at bay* *there was no dynamaxing and stuff used, so hopefully you can see what i was trying to pull here* *---* Orbeetle (F) @ Red Card Ability: Frisk Level: 65 EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Sticky Web - Hypnosis - Reflect - Psyshock Centiskorch (M) @ Charti Berry Ability: Flash Fire Level: 65 EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD Adamant Nature - Knock Off - Fire Lash - Leech Life - Will-O-Wisp Durant (M) @ Choice Band Ability: Swarm Level: 65 EVs: 248 Atk / 12 SpD / 248 Spe Jolly Nature - Stone Edge - Stomping Tantrum - Iron Head - X-Scissor Golisopod (F) @ Assault Vest Ability: Emergency Exit Level: 65 EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD Adamant Nature - First Impression - Aqua Jet - Sucker Punch - Drill Run Galvantula (F) @ Choice Specs Ability: Compound Eyes Level: 65 EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Bug Buzz - Volt Switch - Thunder - Giga Drain

@@Mikiiiiiiiiiip a lvl 47 lead was a pretty good hint that Grusha wasn't supposed to hand me my 3rd badge

Worse than HGSS ong

I’m just glad they gave the last gym leader Katy level 14 and 15 Pokémon to make up for her insane strategies, it’d be way too OP if she had high level Pokémon

Imagine if a Pokémon game were actually like that though. Like instead of low levels like anything below 20, the very first Gym Leader you face has level 50 and last Gym has all level 100 Pokémon. Only way to get up to level 50 is either you can catch Pokémon in the wild up until that level or just raid grind or grind some other way.

Between the difficulty of getting to Tulip's gym and how they usually made ice gyms your 6th or 7th gym in previous games, I had the same assumption

I thought it was as well because Grushas Gym was literally right next to the 6th gym leaders gym

Same as well.

since tulip's gym was in southern paldea i thought it was the 3rd gym, i walk long and hard to get there only to get annihilated by her

I think my last Gym was either Tulip or that Rap person.

Doesn't seem likely. The original Japanese description explicitly says he's the strongest Gym Leader. The translation just omitted that detail for whatever reason, that's all there is to it.

@@preyingshark4878 how is what you said incompatible with what I said? I didn't say they weren't the canonically strangest. I said they were by design meant to be challenged too early by the player. They wanted the player to accidentally do the natural thing and work the map clockwise or counter clockwise and run into Grusha when they were under leveled. I think they wanted you (if you chose to go east cause of Arvin initially) reach the summit after facing Iona, be told its dangerous and were not ready by Grushas speech, lose, leave, and come back later when we are more ready after beating all the other gym leaders.

@@danieldishon688 This is exactly what I did. Ended up barely clutching with my extremely overleveled but very disobedient vaporeon lmao.

I did Grushas gym pretty early and only had to use 2 poke,on to beat him, so yeah he was pretty easy for me.

Thank you that bothered me so much and I have no clue why, usually I’m not bothered by Pokémon names being said differently but it threw me off so much I thought he was gonna go into a sponsor about a certain wallet

Skeleridge is a ghost/ground type, or at least, sounds like it. Skele -> skeleton (relates to ghosts) and -dirge -> a mournful song (this is also technically ghost-related, but fire whatever).

Somehow I always call it skeledRIge instead of skeledirge

This isn’t new technology other comparable games have done this for years. Gamefreak shouldn’t be praised for being able to do things like run cutscenes in engine

@@Wynneception I’m well aware of that fact. It’s just nice that they’re finally doing it.

@@MagusAgrippa8 i thought you were being sarcastic... this game is a complete downgrade from earlier games in terms of the content of the cities, their design and lore attached to them, a total letdown... you can only enter 3 buildings at most on each city... the others are just a pop up menu... smh

@@imblackmagic1209 My comment was referring to the actual cutscenes changing location depending on the order you visit them. Not so much the status of the towns and the like. I completely agree with you. But I still think it’s worth mentioning things they got right. Game Freak has this annoying habit of taking two steps forward in some aspects and three steps backwards in others. If we want them to actually learn anything, we’ve got to be vocal about what worked just as much as what didn’t work.

@@Wynneception fr its like people who praise the new Pokemon have only Played pokemon their enitre life

Dude there’s markers all over the map💀

@@Zarb111 yes but it took me like 3 hours to realize

Leon, that you?

@@resurrekt7114 Bruh

ooof

Totally agree. I did Alfornada first, and fought most of the “late-game” battles while being severely underleveled. Ultimately, even if level scaling would’ve been cool, I too had way more fun using competitive strats in the main story. People hate on spidops, but a bulky trap setter is super useful when you play like this

Hell I fought him third

Same, I kept on going out of my way to fight trainers above my weight class for the challenge, and it was tons of fun

i did this for the titans. Went to the desert and saw the rolling Iron Treads without knowing it was a titan. I encountered it with my level 20 Floragato and took a huge L. But i continued trying and eventually beat it

I did the same 😭 my sister and I were laughing at the climax of “now pokemon up to level 25 will listen to you”….coming from the last gym leader in the game

I went for Grusha first because the official artwork shows Grusha gym battle, and we’re still using Fuecoco so I assume Grusha should be the first

I knew their was no level scaling and that because their all the way at the back of the map they should be one of the strongest so I went straight for them it took a while but I beat Grusha first

level scailing would of sucked i want some gyms to be harder if i want to to fight it i can and grind for its better for it to be not scailed

I blasted directly to Alforhada after Cortondo, just to be spanked by Backpacker Paul in the way.

i was on the same bandwagon, the only thing my mind registered at the start was nemona saying that the west side was easier than the east... so west i went all the way, thinking the game was scaling a lot faster than common on pokemon games

tulip's gym really was the hardest to reach location for me specially without miraidon upgrades but is still reachable i had to go through a long cliff path

This is the order I completed the gyms: 1. Kofu 2. Larry 3. Iono 4. Tulip 5. Katy 6. Grusha 7. Ryme 8. Brassius

But the trainer was wearing the Violet uniform.

@@FreakotoYuki that would mean I was the one in the artwork, I played Violet and challange Grusha first

@@jean-pierrebenzenique I like to imagine that artwork was only drawn just to mislead people into thinking Grusha was an early-game gym. Either that or to avoid spoiling Fuecoco’s final evolution.

That's exactly what I was thinking. It was because Grusha was one of the first gym leaders revealed

I wish I had known that the Pokemon you catch at low level do obey you , i did grusha 6th and always was in fear of my skeledirge surpassing the level limit

I HAMMERED AWAY at everything with Tinkaton from the hit game Pokémon Scarlet and Violet on the Nintendo Switch made by the small Indie company Game Freak’s signature move Gigaton Hammer, a Steel-Type Physical move that deals 160 damage, but cannot be used 2 turns in a row.

@@wysockifamily1747what the hell is even this comment? Also Tinkaton sucks lmao.

@@wysockifamily1747 WTF?!

@@jcdeton72 What? The joke is that I used Tinkaton from the hit game Pokémon Scarlet and Violet on the Nintendo Switch made by the small Indie company Game Freak’s signature move Gigaton Hammer, a Steel-Type Physical move that deals 160 damage, but cannot be used 2 turns in a row.

@@wysockifamily1747 WHAT THE ACTUAL F*CK!!!!

Yeah, even weirder is how close Ryme is to Grusha on the map. You'd think that would make Ryme's gym 7th but no, it's actually 6th. The level progression has you (most likely) go around Grusha's gym to get to Ryme's, then go all the way back across the map to battle Tulip, then back again to Grusha. Without knowing any levels beforehand, I thought either Ryme or Tulip would be last based on their locations!

I did Tulip, then Grusha, then Ryme. Honestly despite her being lower level, the double battles did make her a bit more challenging for me. (I also did Larry third lol)

3rd....but I did all the titans first and caught about 300 pokemon, so my pokemon are around 60. And although I have loads of options my team still consists of 'aww...cute!' babies evolutions...Jumpluff, Arboliva, Espathra, Hatterene, Florges and Luxray, all from my first hour in game...

@@Katharina-rp7iq It was also my 3rd gym but I did 1 team star base and 1 titan boss.. had level 27 pokemon and plenty of revives... I did manage to beat this gym tho on my first attempt

@@Katharina-rp7iq you are a try hard

gym scailing would of ruined this game

@@skycrafter2042 yea prolly

@@skycrafter2042 why?

@@massimilianoreali4398 because having the added challangr but pride and benfit if being able to fight a gym thats way over leveled is fun abd if islt scaled you couldent have that challange

@@wdwfanatic1394 they're talking about nemona. not grusha.

how

Wait, how tf did you won? did you stall her?

@@hibari759 *HIM Its sucks he was too pretty and I also though he was a 'she' at first.

@@denxrstudio Guys can be pretty

@@hibari759 I don't remember too much of the details of the fight, but I posted a screenshot to Twitter after the fight was over. /OverTheRinabow/status/1594826068330156032 My team after the fight was: Lv35 Houndoom, half health Lv32 Ampharos, fainted Lv36 Meowscarada, full health Lv 36 Azumarill, fainted Lv33 Flamigo, fainted Lv27 Gabite, fainted

no that would ruin it having much stronger foes is the fun part haveing them fight you at a scailed level would be too easy and boring

@@skycrafter2042 but when you fight the bug leader last it’s even worse

@@ledestroyerofworlds9366 thats part of the fun to be able to fight an easy boss last or a hard one first

@@skycrafter2042 you have a Point there But I still think That the immersion is a bit ruined because of it

@@ledestroyerofworlds9366 i think its makes it more stable that eatch gym has there team but the world is open so you can go where you want dosent mean those leaders will lower there standards for you but if you wanna fight them you can

My order was such a mess that i did Giacomo as 2nd to last team star, and great tusks as my 2nd titan

When I played blind, I ended up doing my last 4 gyms as physic, ice, ghost, and finally normal. I was so underleveled

Skeledirge*

around in the wild, like going all the way to the entrance of mezagosa? or just the little circle in the center of Los Platos... i can't seem to evolve rellor and i have done 3 to 4 laps (big laps) around los platos

@@imblackmagic1209 Circling the full road (has a sorta trapezoid shape) continuously. Right in the middle and slow enough (walking, not on the legendary) to let the Pokemon stay caught up without it ever going back to the ball or taking shortcuts to catch up. Once you do it, you have to level it up once. I recommend exp candy.

Yeah, to properly scale the content, GF will need to scale everything. Leaders, team bases, normal trainers, wild pokemon. But it should be possible. They just need to forget about having fixed data for things and instead have dynamic data that could be scaled with a formula. So, don't have a trainer with a fixed team, have a trainer with an initial team and a formula that change the team based on the players level, like having the trainer have 4 pokemon but disabling one of them for players bellow level 30, and having those 4 pokemon change what it is (for example having evolved or not) based on player level. The same is true for the pokemon level. It could be calculated based on the player's level, so maybe the last pokemon with the same as the player's level and the rest 1 or 2 levels bellow.

Not impossible though, would certainly not take as long as the emote challenge and mR wAlKsAbOuT challenges took.

They would really only need to scale the levels of gym leaders though. The trainer encounters are entirely optional so you can roam freely without having to avoid them like in past games. They could keep the levels of wild pokemon as is, but just add some low level spawns to the regions that have gyms. Give gym leaders 8 different teams, and the one they use is determined by a check for how many badges you currently have right before the battle starts. Team Star bosses and Titans work the same way, but they check for how many bosses/titans you've defeated instead. Just changing that and adding more low level spawns would be amazing.

it's easy, closer to the city or civilization, weaker pokemon and trainers (hardcoded mind you), you can easily get away with scaling the gym leaders and the gym trainers with that and it's not that much work, just have to change a bit of things... it's also more realistic, as in zones closer to cities, people wouldn't want strong aggressive wild pokemon threatening their children... heck you could even make a hidden village with crazy strong people because it's in the middle of nowhere and that's how they survive, even children can get lvl 60 pokemon trained...

Uhm I think the sweep was easy because he was level 62 lmao. That’s when he gets his signature move.

she is Goku

Same way you get to them. That is to say, she's stalking you.

i only got 1 in "order", the bug lady, then all went to sh

People downgrading passion and effort into fucking buzzwords lmao.

these games are fantastic

I did this I tried to beat him and swept him by boosting qauxly final form and potion spamming basically took a few tries

I did this too but succeeded, fortunately my Tinkaton helped

My plan was clockwise one version and counter clockwise the other, after the clockwise one...I might give up counter clockwise. Rather not deal with a party of Ash's Charizard(early series)

i did the same, but i went left first... even fought the false dragon 3rd of the titans, i even had the illusion the other gyms would be even harder u.u only to get to the right path and see that pokemons were lvl 10 and 15...

it was answered quicker than that, and then I trained up to beat him

autobattle, or you can just lvl up him first to acording lvl and just walk slooowly with him - that's what i did. Mostly because i thought he don';t have secound stage

Have you heard of magnemite with sturdy, endeavor and quick attack that holds a shell bell

@@idiotically-everything Magnemite, my favorite mon with quick attack

@@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy Man. I feel so stupid now. I think I mixed up with fear gimmick togedemaru

@@idiotically-everything it happens to everyone no worries

man i wished the same, also beat him 4th... and was thinking gyms would scale all the way to lvl 70, and the league would be 80 and 90.... and we would have a zone with super high lvl pokemons...

The only "order" is if you're averse from being overleveled.

@@TuesdaysArt or underleveled.

@@TuesdaysArt no it’s called having the perfect team while having 5 badges.

It did felt like that and it was an odd choice.

if you look at the gym description on the map it says him

it's not just you, it also happened to me, i dont read descriptions, i play pokemon to drive species to extinction