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What Happens if You Connect a Battery to an Inverter without pre-charging the Capacitors? 

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If you have built a DIY Solar Generator, I'm sure you are familiar with how you use a resistor to pre-charge the capacitors in an inverter. But what if you did not do this? What kind of spark will you get?
If you want to see how I actually used a resistor to eliminate the spark, go to the 9:20 timestamp in the following video - • DIY Solar Generator Se...
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@iTzDaNiiLo
@iTzDaNiiLo 4 месяца назад
If you have installed car audio before, that spark is very familiar 😂
@1ohmwrecker
@1ohmwrecker 3 месяца назад
💯
@pikicustoms4628
@pikicustoms4628 3 месяца назад
I seen where the install the ground last so it won’t supposedly spark
@suli_jo
@suli_jo 2 месяца назад
​@@pikicustoms4628i will. I know from ebikes
@jasonhudson5861
@jasonhudson5861 Месяц назад
@@pikicustoms4628you still get current through the grounds so you can still get the lil sparks.
@rocknrolljesus3197
@rocknrolljesus3197 12 дней назад
​@@pikicustoms4628same current flow regardless of which lead goes on last....why wouldn't the neg lead spark?
@1markejx
@1markejx 11 месяцев назад
Would be nice if you showed how to connect the resistor!
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper 11 месяцев назад
I have done this in a couple of videos. Go to the 9:20 timestamp in the following video. I do show how to do this. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lQ_3_9nPYFM.html
@SteffenBoserup
@SteffenBoserup 9 месяцев назад
@@Hollywood-tr5wt I forgot My resistor on a job, and solved the issue, by using a carpenters pencil instead. Anything with a high resistance will do - it worked as a charm - no spark ;-)
@vlatter9537
@vlatter9537 9 месяцев назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IQ_3_9nPYFM.html
@vlatter9537
@vlatter9537 9 месяцев назад
Lol, I thought the lower case Lwas an upper case i....in the link
@howzit9397
@howzit9397 9 месяцев назад
So I should put a resistor between to charge the capacitor? Going to slide my girlfriend between that should do it! The biggest resistor ever!😂
@The-5-Tones._
@The-5-Tones._ Год назад
That explosion is a bad night of beans close to a campfire. 😂
@jeffridder4034
@jeffridder4034 2 месяца назад
How ‘bout some more beans, Mr. Taggert?
@Gregkallie
@Gregkallie 26 дней назад
Turn inverter off. There should be no load on inverter when hooking up battery
@DownNDirtyRc
@DownNDirtyRc 3 месяца назад
Or you can just not have it grounded (negative terminal) when you connect to positive side like any other type of DC connection
@stevenhaneklaus8087
@stevenhaneklaus8087 9 месяцев назад
Never had this problem with any inverter but okay, I just make sure the power switch on the inverter is in the off position before I hook it up.
@BlakeGallagher-lq3xg
@BlakeGallagher-lq3xg Месяц назад
It's proportional based on the battery size and big your inverter is. So if you're using the absolute biggest inverter you can based on your battery, you're going to have the biggest spark.
@Bizzon666
@Bizzon666 4 месяца назад
12V is too little, 48V is WAY bigger spark
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper 4 месяца назад
Thanks. I'd rather not have a huge spark.
@nielsdaemen
@nielsdaemen 4 месяца назад
Don't worry about that tiny spark😂
@Mattlawton-ft6ew
@Mattlawton-ft6ew Год назад
Nope just connect it
@liquidmocofilmsllc4915
@liquidmocofilmsllc4915 10 месяцев назад
Overkill Just hooking up a battery to the car cables causes a tiny spark! Hell even hitting your driver at night causes a tiny spark. People are starting to make things more complicated these days to make themselves believe they’re more intelligent.
@timharig
@timharig 2 месяца назад
It all depends on the output impedance of the power source. A small car battery might only cause some pitting of the contacts. A larger submarine battery could vaporize the contacts into a shower of liquid metal.
@robweaver8872
@robweaver8872 21 день назад
@@timharig No. the inrush of current is completely dependent on how much current the capacitors will take in. A decent inverter should not allow so much current that it destroys the circuitry.
@rontech34
@rontech34 Год назад
So why they don't ever mention this when you buy a inverter or why they don't send it in the box
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper Год назад
That's a good point. Everybody suggests using the resistor (including me), but my manuals do not even mention it. I've heard experts say to do this too. It makes no sense why the manuals don't even mention it. Maybe if they mentioned it, then they should also include a resistor.
@roads56hill.45
@roads56hill.45 Год назад
Agree!
@jjm9902
@jjm9902 9 месяцев назад
And they're very cheap. On Amazon, 2 for 4.99! Shld b included in purchase of inverter. ❤
@brewsterly2927
@brewsterly2927 8 месяцев назад
@@proficientprepper ...because the spark does nothing to anything.
@leguirerj
@leguirerj 6 месяцев назад
@@proficientprepper There is a switch on the inverter. Turn it to the off position first, before you connect it to the battery.
@RandomVideosInFlorida
@RandomVideosInFlorida 2 месяца назад
Stop being a baby a little spark never hurts
@derek361
@derek361 2 месяца назад
Sharpen a number 2 pencil on both ends, does the same thing as a resistor
@williamlangley2044
@williamlangley2044 4 месяца назад
When I plug in my phone charger it produces the same spark !
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper 4 месяца назад
Never seen that on my phone charger. But that spark was pretty lame. I did something similar a few days ago on a 24v system and the spark was huge. It actually damaged the nut.
@ATF.California
@ATF.California 12 дней назад
lol 😂not gonna lie the atom bomb animation was not expected, but it was appreciated 😅
@plokijij7856
@plokijij7856 Год назад
It’s not just about the spark damaging the lug, terminal, or nut. The inrush current can damage the inverter and or the battery BMS if your using lithium.
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper Год назад
Those little resistors are so cheap, seems like inverter manufacturers should just included one with their product.
@themastereal8345
@themastereal8345 Год назад
very true
@themastereal8345
@themastereal8345 Год назад
​@@proficientprepperif your buying a inverter your likely not going to disconnect and connect the battery often so it worth saving pennies
@rontech34
@rontech34 Год назад
Yes but wouldn't you think the inverter company's would know this
@rsb7608
@rsb7608 7 месяцев назад
It doesn't damage anything. The cap just charges
@mtnphot
@mtnphot 3 месяца назад
Never worried about it. Its about the same size of spark you get when you recconect a vehicle battery. Much ado about nothing. If it was that important to do so, the instructions would mention it.
@randylenart9674
@randylenart9674 2 месяца назад
Do that with a 48-volt inverter
@productupdate2632
@productupdate2632 Год назад
😂😂 the explosion edit 👌🏾
@kennethwilson8633
@kennethwilson8633 Год назад
It’s actually to keep from hurting your equipment.
@SVThailand
@SVThailand 10 месяцев назад
Nope. Doesn't hurt a thing. That spark is about 1/100th of an amp. I install solar for 20nyears and I've never "pre.charged" a unit...lol. ridiculous
@guest9445
@guest9445 3 месяца назад
That looks like something I’ll see when I plug something in an outlet at my grand parents house
@CurtisKramer-bf7bx
@CurtisKramer-bf7bx Месяц назад
At 12 volts there isn't much going on unless there is a short to begin with. I've never used a resistor. But with higher voltage I will try to remember to use the resistor first. Ooops I forgot when I hooked up my 24 volt inverter and nothing much happened. The spark is only a little bigger. I'm guessing I would have to use a resistor when I hook up to a 48 volt battery for sure.
@allsystemsgootechaf9885
@allsystemsgootechaf9885 10 месяцев назад
Only ever had one inverter, it has an off switch. Hooking it up while off gas prevented this
@ChaJ67
@ChaJ67 13 дней назад
With my 50V R/C helicopter setup with an extra ultra low ESR cap in front of the ESC, now that made a spark. It would make divots in the connector and I would have to use Deoxit cleaner to clean the crud off of the connectors created by the huge sparks as it would make it very hard to disconnect and act as an insulator on the connectors. One time instead of a loud pop, there was a loud bang because one of the ESC caps blew with a 1 ft flame shooting out of it. My ears were still ringing 45 minutes later from that bang. After that, I wired in a spark elimination circuit, just a resister to charge the caps and reprogrammed the ESC to have a preset cell count instead of auto-detect as the few moments to took to charge the caps would throw off the auto-detect of cells. But yeah, something like this is a lot easier on the equipment and will save your connectors. Just be careful to not reverse polarity.
@mariusneumayer4419
@mariusneumayer4419 25 дней назад
Is it just me but it's been a few years since I got a spark. I'm connecting the positive first and...I don't remember a spark...and if it was ...I couldn't tell
@barnybrewman1571
@barnybrewman1571 2 дня назад
I've connected many 12 and 24 volt inverters many times and never had any damage occur. Sure, it sparks a little, which can cause you to soil yourself if you are not specting it, and you can even get a small burn if your finger is near the spark, but It ain't gonna kill you. I have never seen it damage any inverter, the capacitors just draw a large current for a second or so, until they are fully charged, and they only draw as much current as they need. They should not explode if they are rated for the voltage and current specified to operate the inverter..
@martprice7726
@martprice7726 4 месяца назад
Rather than buy resistor that you probably only gonna use once a car headlight bulb works just as well you probably have got a spare one.
@davidmlam5198
@davidmlam5198 9 часов назад
I bypass my inverter and turn it off, to enable me use direct nepa light, , please i wanna know will it still be charging after turning off the ups when there is nepa light? pls your assistance will be highly appreciated
@earlgravelle3496
@earlgravelle3496 2 месяца назад
YOU SHOULD DO GROUND AFTER POSATIVE
@VerticalWTF
@VerticalWTF 8 месяцев назад
You know being an electrician it would be smarter to hook the wire up before hooking it to the battery seriously use your common sense
@clivewright7778
@clivewright7778 3 месяца назад
A 48v 8000 watt would be like shorting a 5000 watt amplifier capacitor
@philipgrobler7253
@philipgrobler7253 Месяц назад
Something else to keep in mind is to avoid sparks at the battery poles, especially if it is a lead acid battery.
@donbrloks3959
@donbrloks3959 3 месяца назад
I use a 12 volt test light. When the light goes out, the capacitor is charged. Takes seconds.
@DeFiDuke
@DeFiDuke 7 месяцев назад
Unnecessary
@RogueOntheRoad
@RogueOntheRoad 2 месяца назад
I've never had a problem connecting the battery... The connection snaps a little and then moves on
@PhillipCree
@PhillipCree Месяц назад
If you install the positive before installing the negative do you get the same spark?
@JohnDoe-oj5it
@JohnDoe-oj5it 5 месяцев назад
Mine barely sparks certainly is going to blow up. Mine is 1650
@brentwismer5602
@brentwismer5602 4 месяца назад
Maybe just don’t go live you prepped dropkick 🤣😊😊
@ripewhensoft9743
@ripewhensoft9743 2 месяца назад
Use a carpenter's pencil, sharpened on both ends. Easier to come across than a big resistor
@SamsungGalaxy-ls8ys
@SamsungGalaxy-ls8ys 10 месяцев назад
Very violent and it appears it momentarily bent time and space.
@dr.zippymcscoots8725
@dr.zippymcscoots8725 14 часов назад
Why doesn't the manufacturer integrate this into the design in the first place?
@FourthWayRanch
@FourthWayRanch 3 месяца назад
It doesnt matter if it sparks, just touch it once firmly and tighten the connector
@JayL781
@JayL781 3 месяца назад
I hook mine up like that all the time I don't use the little resistor thing never have😂
@6n518
@6n518 8 дней назад
Or you could just use a switch between the battery and inverter..
@vincentrobinette1507
@vincentrobinette1507 2 месяца назад
I usually use a small 12 volt bulb. the bulb starts out bright, then, dims down. If you mistakenly connect the inverter backward, the bulb remains full bright, indicating that the capacitor is not charging, and without damage to the inverter. Connecting the inverter to the battery out of polarity is disastrous! A resistor is fine, but, you really can't tell when the capacitors are fully charged, and it isn't quite as obvious if the polarity is reversed. The lightbulb will let you know if you didn't get a good connection as well.
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper 2 месяца назад
Great tip!
@mohammadakawee2561
@mohammadakawee2561 3 месяца назад
My convertar it was 240v make smoke and now give 200v
@EDUNIT-z2u
@EDUNIT-z2u 21 день назад
It sparks because it's charging a dead wire Sending current
@airplaneB3N
@airplaneB3N 2 месяца назад
I have never heard of a resistor charging anything, but I have heard about DISCHARGING capacitors with resistors. Am I missing something?
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper 2 месяца назад
The capacitors in the inverter draw in a huge rush of current and causes the spark. The resistor just slows it down with no spark.
@captain4462
@captain4462 Месяц назад
Connect your negative it’ll be a smaller spark or no spark
@eddiesutton9759
@eddiesutton9759 7 месяцев назад
Or you can just , shut it off. Connect it and turn it on. I mean common sense.
@jleuty591
@jleuty591 25 дней назад
Just 12 v. Stick your tongue to it champ 😂
@Huda88754
@Huda88754 2 месяца назад
I have mine on a Anderson plug take out and put in my car as needed
@kecourt
@kecourt 11 дней назад
Are you really discharging the capacitors?
@Respawnsdaily
@Respawnsdaily 21 день назад
Whoa !!! , almost like you are welding 😂.
@stevethompson1488
@stevethompson1488 2 месяца назад
Resistors especially since the disappearance of Radio Shack stores which I hope Trump brings back are too difficult to get and besides the spark Is caused by the capacitors charging up
@jamesm568
@jamesm568 2 месяца назад
Never used to resistor in my life and neither does anybody else.
@R31IceMan
@R31IceMan 3 дня назад
Install the positive first then the negative so there is zero potential.
@FishermensCorner
@FishermensCorner 2 месяца назад
it's unnerving but unnecessary for smaller systems.
@marcow1964
@marcow1964 Месяц назад
This is why u have to have a battery cut off switch, duhh
@sciglassblower
@sciglassblower 3 месяца назад
With Large Inverters you will get a much larger spark and can burn out the board. Ask me how I Know.
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper 3 месяца назад
What happened? I'm assuming nothing good.
@joeyjennings9548
@joeyjennings9548 Месяц назад
*a 12volt light bulb will precharge it.*
@RVingTheCountry
@RVingTheCountry Месяц назад
Resistor? I hardly know her.
@박메롱-k9z
@박메롱-k9z 4 месяца назад
Add a kill switch in the middle in the first place.
@BertoG-h3r
@BertoG-h3r Месяц назад
You should install battery first 😂
@rsb7608
@rsb7608 7 месяцев назад
Not too bad if you're only connecting it once and leaving it there
@bebo5558
@bebo5558 4 дня назад
Just turn it off, hook it up and turn it on!
@TruePatriot59
@TruePatriot59 2 месяца назад
Fast short tap tap tap x3.. it will be fine
@ImigrentfromMars
@ImigrentfromMars 10 месяцев назад
I pre charge mine using a 9 volt battery,
@CCCC-tq8yo
@CCCC-tq8yo 11 месяцев назад
I don't like it
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper 10 месяцев назад
Thanks For Commenting!
@agepulsar
@agepulsar Месяц назад
Me i always use a testlight to charge it😅
@MrPaddyelvis
@MrPaddyelvis Месяц назад
Never mind a resistor, what about a tri-pod to avoid motion sickness...???
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper Месяц назад
Very true, its hard for me to watch that video now. This was very early on my RU-vid channel and I've gotten much better at that since filming since I did this one.
@rbmka56
@rbmka56 4 месяца назад
That means the negative cable is connected.
@thomasmaughan4798
@thomasmaughan4798 2 месяца назад
So, there's a spark. Big deal.
@ProfessorDIY
@ProfessorDIY Месяц назад
Nonsense,
@helenellsworth9556
@helenellsworth9556 3 месяца назад
Positive goes on before the earth wire,
@bryanpaull2020
@bryanpaull2020 12 дней назад
To much going on in ya head 🤦
@boscodog4358
@boscodog4358 Час назад
What size resistor is needed
@awesomusmaximus3766
@awesomusmaximus3766 3 месяца назад
A 16 kw inverter opens a time vortex
@raphaelroy4543
@raphaelroy4543 Месяц назад
Why not use a lil AA batterie to charge the capacitor? I'm new to that?
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper 24 дня назад
I may try that
@ebenwaterman5858
@ebenwaterman5858 4 дня назад
Oooooh! Scary spark.
@DielectricVideos
@DielectricVideos Месяц назад
I've found that the internal resistance of the battery is usually enough to keep the spark relatively small and undamaging. However, what will make an abhorrently large spark, and likely damage the capacitors in the process, is to connect a power source with already-charged capacitors, such as a battery with another inverter already connected, to the inverter. This will connect the almost zero-resistance capacitors together, resulting in 1/2*CV^2 worth of energy being directly deposited in the spark!
@moses1142
@moses1142 2 месяца назад
😂 I jumped in my bunker!! 😂
@ulfpe
@ulfpe 3 месяца назад
If you have accidentally shorted a car battery you know how bad it.can.be
@yugaindiranmarimuthu7310
@yugaindiranmarimuthu7310 3 месяца назад
12v inverters are pretty tame if compared with 51v inverters or similar systems.. i've heard people say that you can damage the capacitors if connected without pre charging for the higher voltage based systems.. it is said that the high inrush currents might damage the capacitors.. I've never tried it. I haven't had the chance to work with these high voltage systems.. 51v dc is scary
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper 3 месяца назад
I forgot once to use the resistor with a 24v battery and the spark was much bigger. It actually slightly damaged the battery terminal. I can only imagine what a higher voltage would do.
@yugaindiranmarimuthu7310
@yugaindiranmarimuthu7310 3 месяца назад
@proficientprepper yeah.. I have learnt from other people's experiences to no play with these higher voltage systems.. 51v is high enough to electrocute. You can feel the current passing.. you have to treat these higher voltage systems as if they're live ac voltages.. you definitely do not want to feel dc currents flowing through your body it is harder to pull back if you do get electrocuted because of the direct current.. ac currents alternates, so they go through zero crossing and current flowing through your body, and muscles are minimized when they go through the zero point.. dc don't have zero crossing moment, so any mistake could very well be your last one.. remember, guys.. safety should be the highest priority, no shortcut is worth your life
@somewhereinchicago8743
@somewhereinchicago8743 Год назад
Any 12v bulb in series will do it
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper 11 месяцев назад
Thanks, I'm going to have to give that a try
@ajarivas72
@ajarivas72 Месяц назад
⁠@@proficientprepperany incandescent light bulb will do it
@handymandev03
@handymandev03 7 месяцев назад
It cracked me up the nuke going off, I've been doing electronics for well over 20 years as a hobby. I was doing a installation and a basic re wire on a camper. Now all was going perfectly until the owner decided to turn the inverter on and plug stuff into it without telling me, when I hooked up the leads well blew a hole in the battery post, many swear words was used 🤣🤣.
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper 7 месяцев назад
lol. Thanks for sharing. Glad you were not injured.
@TheDirtyChef
@TheDirtyChef 3 месяца назад
Lol this reminds me of when I moved my camper onto the landlord's land and he wanted to hook up the power because he didn't think I could do it right. I told him that it was a 30 amp 115 volt service that I needed.... He hooked it up as 220 volt and almost burnt my rig up. He's 80 and was an electrician. But he is very forgetful in his old age. Thankfully the breakers did their job but they were not happy and I had to replace all of them.
@johnwyman6126
@johnwyman6126 2 месяца назад
​@@TheDirtyChef Don't you mean he had to replace them all?
@mrq1701
@mrq1701 Месяц назад
Why is the negative cable connected before the positive?
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper Месяц назад
Connecting the positive before the negative is rule of thumb I grew up with and I've followed most of my life. I don't always remember to do that. But I'm not sure it matters with a solar system. I've seen several debates over that very subject. I read once that connecting the positive first comes from from working on automobiles and may not apply to solar.
@Icureditwithmybrain
@Icureditwithmybrain 3 месяца назад
You never show how to use the resistor, disliked
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper 3 месяца назад
I have done this in a couple of videos. Go to the 9:20 timestamp in the following video. I do show how to do this. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lQ_3_9nPYFM.html
@cheezistudios
@cheezistudios 3 месяца назад
The sparks aren’t much for a small inverters. It’s them 5kva and 10kva that you will get a really big spark. But it doesn’t damage anything it’s just a convinces thing
@dr.fistingstein1566
@dr.fistingstein1566 Год назад
When that explosion happened, the unsubscribe confirmation box popped up. Lol
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper Год назад
Funny
@marcomarco5644
@marcomarco5644 4 месяца назад
Impiccate
@mikef1570
@mikef1570 2 месяца назад
Oh noooo!!!! A spark!!!
@ww321
@ww321 Месяц назад
Lol😊
@theodorekaxiris644
@theodorekaxiris644 Месяц назад
You connect it in series or parallel connection?🙋🇬🇷
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper Месяц назад
Neither, just straight connection to battery
@lazurm
@lazurm 2 месяца назад
I thought that using the resistor releases the energy stored in the capacitors and this energy is shown as a spark. You repeated state that the resistor precharges the capacitors while just the opposite is happening.
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper Месяц назад
My understanding and experience has been that if your inverter has been sitting for a long time not in use, the energy in the capacitors has dissipated and have no energy left in them. In that case, if you don't use the resistor when you connect the battery, the flow of current from the battery into the capacitors causes the spark. If I disconnect the inverter and leave it sitting for 5 minutes for example. The capacitors are still charged and if you don't use the resistor, there will not be a spark because the capacitors are already charged. At least that is my understanding.
@lazurm
@lazurm Месяц назад
@@proficientprepper My understanding is that the capacitors, when charged (and they hold the current for some time), will instantly release their charge when connecting to the battery. If a resistor is used it releases this energy slow enough to prevent the shock. Once release, or if there's no energy stored in them, there will be no spark.
@user-fy7ru4ii1i
@user-fy7ru4ii1i 3 месяца назад
Or a fuse...
@joebass5163
@joebass5163 3 месяца назад
I like the spark lol
@warlockman-ri2jr
@warlockman-ri2jr Месяц назад
Baby spark...
@kevinroberts781
@kevinroberts781 3 месяца назад
If you hold the lug just barely off the stud for 10 seconds it will pre charge it. No need for a resistor. Use the air as a resistor.
@proficientprepper
@proficientprepper 3 месяца назад
I would not have thought of that. I will try that out.
@mariusneumayer4419
@mariusneumayer4419 25 дней назад
Interesting
@matt99199
@matt99199 6 месяцев назад
Dont be a girl about it
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