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What Happens When Demographics Change Forever? 

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Are we on the brink of population collapse? Some economists and tech billionaires (like Elon Musk) think so. As noted in a recent NY Times article about Peak Population, birth rates are declining, and some argue an aging population could strain social services and hurt the economy. (On the other hand, some say, slower population growth could be more sustainable for our environment.) Whichever argument you sympathize with, here's a key thing to understand about this trend: Demographers predicted it. In fact, they've been expecting for years. Their advice? Don’t freak out. Here’s what changing demographics might mean for our planet and the future.
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@eric2500
@eric2500 2 месяца назад
I will always be deeply suspicious of those who say " more babies we need more workers!" Those people will pay your babies low wages until they can replace them with robots!
@Puzzledrev
@Puzzledrev 2 месяца назад
More babies, more cannon fodder.
@Millepone
@Millepone 2 месяца назад
Every worker is also a consumer so in theory it should be a wash (and additional stress on the environment at this point), but the fact that billionaires are worried about population growth slowing down proves in my mind that they see workers as just a means of profit skimming off of people's backs. Who do we work for? Also, I can think of plenty of jobs that aren't truly necessary where these people could be taking care of the elderly instead. The real problem? The elderly usually don't have the money to pay a competitive wage, so people are off doing other jobs instead.
@mrparts
@mrparts 2 месяца назад
Tech billionaires obsessed because they need enough workers until they can unleash AGI and abandon the planet
@donaldwert7137
@donaldwert7137 2 месяца назад
They will also want your children to work in meat packing plants and other hazardous environments, simply to fill job openings, usually, as you say, at low wages and benefits.
@ZaydAliKhan
@ZaydAliKhan 2 месяца назад
Bro population decline is good for this planet 😢
@conlon4332
@conlon4332 2 месяца назад
I think a lot more people would have children if they didn't have to worry about whether they could afford it. I'm not saying this would change the trend, but I think the best way to support people to feel able to have more children is better child benefits and community support. Better community support could both support people having more children and support an aging population.
@dsolis7532
@dsolis7532 2 месяца назад
Me and my wife are in very well paying jobs but the future is so uncertain that we don’t want children. Also, climate change is a MAJOR source of anxiety for us. If we have children, we don’t want them to live in hell. If politicians want more children: fix climate change, make housing a human right
@huldu
@huldu 2 месяца назад
Education is what drives the numbers down. You're more likely to have children if you're poor than working on your career, having children in many professions is a career killer so we focus on the career and then worry about children later. The problem, for women, is the biological clock. The longer you delay having children the more issues you might run into later on in life. I've seen this trap with many well educated friends where they delayed having children into their 30-35's and then no longer were able to due to all kinds of issues that appeared. I'm not saying everyone runs into these problems but I'm a firm believer in having kids early on and then work on your career if you even want to bother. Our purpose on this planet is simple: breed, eat and sleep. That's it. Everything else doesn't matter.
@conlon4332
@conlon4332 2 месяца назад
@@huldu But is it education then, or is it how accepting jobs are of people having children? Plus how does gender equality and paternity leave factor in?
@conlon4332
@conlon4332 2 месяца назад
@@dsolis7532 Interesting, thank you for sharing your thoughts. I think community support should definitely include housing support where necessary.
@huldu
@huldu 2 месяца назад
@@conlon4332 It seems the more educated people are the less likely they are to have children, or a lot less of them. Compared to very poor areas where they can easily have 5+ children in a household. I'm looking at India and many countries in Africa. Not sure how it is in Brazil to be honest.
@R-MD
@R-MD 2 месяца назад
This video doesn't even cover some of the biggest issues with the decline in childbirth. Lack of homes. Lack of high paying jobs. The death of the middle class. The exploitation of the growing lower and working classes. The fact that people can't be sure if their children will starve to death in the streets because of climate problems. The consolidation of wealth into the hands of the few while the many suffer. All this stuff is being brought on by governments and corporations, then we get talking points fearing the collapse of the economy based on this stuff but it still keeps happening. Nobody is fixing the root of the problem. The rich are ruining our world with their greed, the governments with their corruption. Our planet is dying, our societies collapsing into war and poverty. No shit people don't want big families.
@kyjo72682
@kyjo72682 2 месяца назад
It's not that simple and that's probably not the primary reason why people don't have kids these days. Historically there used to be much more war and poverty yet fertility rates were higher. In fact tough conditions usually prompted higher reproductive rates in order to compensate for the high child mortality or high mortality in general.. (Look up r/K selection theory.)
@covfefe1787
@covfefe1787 2 месяца назад
the planet is not dying and societies are not collapsing stop listening to MSM propaganda.
@txbre8758
@txbre8758 2 месяца назад
@@kyjo72682and the children can be used as free hard labor. They worked the farms. Led the house. In a lot of economies we sent them to work as young as 3 years old.
@zephie531
@zephie531 2 месяца назад
@@kyjo72682people can’t afford to have more children, and it’s not about child mortality rates now, it’s about the quality of life for those children in the future.
@altrag
@altrag 2 месяца назад
@@kyjo72682 Yep. The main reasons people don't have kids are a) Its too expensive and b) They simply don't have to. The GOP is trying to tackle reason (b) by taking away all the rights women have fought for over the past century. They want to be able to force their choice of woman to marry them (the woman's opinion doesn't matter), have as many kids as the man wants (why does he care its not his body), and prevent any option for divorce (well, the man can instantiate divorce of course.. its just the women who wouldn't be allowed). They don't really have a solution for reason (a). But they also don't really care thanks to the way they want reason (b) handled - if the man decides he no longer want to support his family, _he_ always has the right to just fuck off and leave his wife to try and survive on her own with however many kids he forced her to have. Obviously they won't use such caustic terminology when describing their "plan" - they'll wrap it up in phrases like "family values" and call you "woke" if you point out the glaring abuses their "plan" not only allows but encourages. The legislation they've been trying to get passed (and have succeeded at in a lot of red states) tell the real story though: All their flowery speeches and "promises" that they won't abuse their new laws is just bullshit and smokescreens. They simply want to go back to a world where white Christian men get to do whatever they want and everyone else exists in a state of semi-bondage if not outright slavery for the sole purpose of supply said white Christian men with their heart's desire. (They generally don't mention that the goal is actually "rich white Christian men" - they need the support of the poor white Christian men to even attempt to pull this off, and outright telling the poor that they'll get even more shafted is not a good way to win their support. Letting them believe they'll be allowed into the "in group" however works wonders and what's a few life-altering lies between "friends", right?)
@beth8775
@beth8775 2 месяца назад
Viewing increased consumption as a constant necessaity is the real problem. We simply cannot have infinite growth with finite resources. Reaching a steady equilibrium based on "enough" should be our goal. ~And billionaires don't fit into that picture.~
@LongFingeredEgalitarian
@LongFingeredEgalitarian 2 месяца назад
Exactly!
@shadowninja6689
@shadowninja6689 2 месяца назад
Agreed. Even if a lower population will cause a bunch of economic problems we simply have no choice but to go that route. Endless expansion is impossible. We can only keep becoming more efficient at things like growing food for so long.
@claudiaroedel1368
@claudiaroedel1368 2 месяца назад
"It's easier for economists to consider the end of the world, than to consider the end of capitalism"
@ThomasPotato
@ThomasPotato 2 месяца назад
Eh, you're right, retirement, social security, and supply chains are overrated
@skehleben7699
@skehleben7699 2 месяца назад
@beth8775, that is it exactly!
@nebulan
@nebulan 2 месяца назад
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@ifetayodavidson-cade5613
@ifetayodavidson-cade5613 2 месяца назад
I think the powers that be want our lives to be high in quantity- more people to keep wages low, but low in quality- poverty to keep us desperate.
@altrag
@altrag 2 месяца назад
Its perfectly logical if you have the right mentality: "I get what I want and I don't give a fuck if someone else has to suffer for it."
@juliahello6673
@juliahello6673 2 месяца назад
Most people who need support didn’t want their children. Poor people have more kids than they desire. Free, readily available birth control and abortion will go a huge way to make every kid wanted and happy.
@hailmammonmoments7568
@hailmammonmoments7568 22 дня назад
Took 5 whole minutes to get to the real issue?
@vroitwyrd
@vroitwyrd 2 месяца назад
Transition to a circular economy. Prioritize the stability of basic necessities. Invest in our greatest resource, our children.
@fuxan
@fuxan 2 месяца назад
By having less of them
@canchero724
@canchero724 2 месяца назад
We need to go back to 2 billion or even 1 billion for everyone to have their space and live well. Have fewer babies.
@lindsay6518
@lindsay6518 2 месяца назад
Heck yes!!
@altrag
@altrag 2 месяца назад
A circular economy won't really fix the biggest problem with population decline: Getting through the 40-50 year hump where we have too many old people to take care of. A circular economy helps the environment, but not the demographics. You still need workers to be doing the work, regardless of whether they're working with raw materials or reused/recycled materials. The only way to "fix" this one is to readjust our concept of value. Instead of a single wage being sufficient to maintain a single person or a small family, we'll just need to rework the economy such that a single wage can maintain the person, their immediate family and some percentage of their parent's livelihoods. Of course the trend for the past 40-50 years has been slowly rolling toward a single wage not even being sufficient to maintain yourself, never mind a family ("too expensive" is one of the major reasons why families aren't having as many kids, and "both of us are working there's no time" is another one - both of those are symptoms of our half century of wage stagnation). That will not only be unsustainable in the future as the population ages, its already unsustainable now . Unfortunately as with climate change, its such a slow-rolling problem that policymakers are happy to just keep collecting the -brib- "donations" from their wealthy benefactors and continue ignoring the problem until its too late to do anything about it, and then turn around and blame us common folk for letting it happen.
@danielfaben5838
@danielfaben5838 2 месяца назад
@@altrag Very good observations. I am given to understand that in some cultures at certain times of extreme want, older people may have volunteered to die to allow future generations to survive. Maybe it is a tough sell for today but hopelessness may be the tonic.
@johnnytownsend4204
@johnnytownsend4204 2 месяца назад
Humans did just fine when there were only a billion of us. We don't need 9 or 10 billion. Even 5 billion people is way more than we "need" to sustain civilization. Most of these "advances" in agriculture have been devastating to the environment and to species diversity. If we can adapt to going from 3 billion to 8 billion in my lifetime, we can certainly adapt to going back to 6 billion.
@richardnwilson
@richardnwilson 2 месяца назад
The problem is while the population is growing there is a lot of young people to take care of the old people but when the population is shrinking there's a lot of old people and nobody to take care of them.
@johnnytownsend4204
@johnnytownsend4204 2 месяца назад
@@richardnwilson So do we always need more and more and more people? That's not sustainable.
@richardnwilson
@richardnwilson 2 месяца назад
@@johnnytownsend4204 no I agree it's just a sharp decline that's going to be difficult to adjust to.
@TheDanEdwards
@TheDanEdwards 2 месяца назад
"Humans did just fine when there were only a billion of us." - what do you mean by "fine"? Many of the horrors of wars and slavery, and a great deal of ecological devastation, happened when the population was a billion.
@johnnytownsend4204
@johnnytownsend4204 2 месяца назад
@ginalDanEdwards Well, I certainly wasn't praising war, was I? Why would you think that? And do you think we'll stop having war and greed, etc. when we have 10 billion people on the planet?
@thepilotale
@thepilotale 2 месяца назад
Best way of preparing is rethinking our current economic models that count on continuous growth in consumption and focuses on other metrics to measure quality of life and prosperity
@jimthain8777
@jimthain8777 2 месяца назад
Some kind of market economy in place of consuming capitalism is a place to start. A circular economy could fill that need.
@claudiaroedel1368
@claudiaroedel1368 2 месяца назад
YES! I keep saying that! We need a different economic model!
@wamnicho
@wamnicho 19 дней назад
@@claudiaroedel1368 what economic model do you have in mind that doesn’t involve having younger workers
@meghanelizondo774
@meghanelizondo774 2 месяца назад
I'd like to dispute the closing tag about living in a "shrinking world". The smaller the human population the larger the world. Humans aren't the only thing on this planet. Also, by changing the way we farm, we've only accelerated environmental collapse (extra chemicals, soil malnourishment, loss of nutrition in the food, and collapse of surrounding environments).
@eric2500
@eric2500 Месяц назад
Thank you for this beautiful statement! Yes, fewer humans with less stress in their lives and on our living world! It could work if it was more or less an effort that we all worked on.
@TheNotSoMysteriousG
@TheNotSoMysteriousG 2 месяца назад
Honestly, for ecological reasons, I can’t see population growth as a good thing. Better for our societies and economies adapt and the population shrink.
@fuxan
@fuxan 2 месяца назад
I agree #savetheearthreducechildbirth
@louisanow
@louisanow 2 месяца назад
Automation, AI, etc means fewer and fewer jobs will be available starting NOW, not just in the future, so fewer people will be needed. Shrinking population mania is mostly about military, religious, and ethnic nationalist power agendas. The boomer birth numbers were never sustainable from their beginning. The downwards birthrate trend starting with Gen X is also a partial correction to abnormally large post-world war boomer numbers.
@user-by2ew9ys8u
@user-by2ew9ys8u 2 месяца назад
​@@louisanowI totally agree with you, well put. We should be glad that at last correction of abnormality is happening. Instead of fearing it why not take measures?
@kyjo72682
@kyjo72682 2 месяца назад
@@user-by2ew9ys8u Exponential population growth is not an abnormality. If you look at evolutionary history it is rather a norm. All life forms try and expand into all available niches which leads to exponential growth which then typically levels off when it aproaches the carrying capacity of the environment, and the fertility rates are balanced by mortality rates (due to resource scarcity, competition, predation, etc.). What is _actually_ abnormal is the current "voluntary" population shrinkage which is not caused by the above factors.
@louisanow
@louisanow 2 месяца назад
@kyjo72682 In nature, wherever exploding population reach tipping points, massive die-off in many painful forms also happens. Exploding population is usually an indication of imbalance. It's ludicrous to consider the human animal entirely excluded from all the laws of nature. Our many abilities to defy nature do not entirely exclude us from all the consequences.
@maximumtrollmagic
@maximumtrollmagic 21 день назад
Government: We are going to make everything expensive Also government: Strange, why is no one having kids?
@joimonae4090
@joimonae4090 13 дней назад
Don’t be fooled this is exactly what they want smaller population for easier control
@joimonae4090
@joimonae4090 13 дней назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1JshrF6G3fE.htmlsi=NeO59Q6H6ijNJOvj
@Raja1938
@Raja1938 13 дней назад
@@joimonae4090 Uh, no. They want large populations living hand to mouth, dependent on the rich & powerful.
@shesbored
@shesbored 13 дней назад
😂
@joimonae4090
@joimonae4090 12 дней назад
@@Raja1938 no they don’t go read the Georgia guide stones please go read it
@evelynsaungikar3553
@evelynsaungikar3553 2 месяца назад
The population explosion was also unprecedented. Many people alive today were alive when the population was half what it is now.
@sambitmishra1229
@sambitmishra1229 24 дня назад
and?
@zanerasmussen8889
@zanerasmussen8889 2 месяца назад
We should probably stop using consumption as a driver of the economy anyway.
@josephdonais4778
@josephdonais4778 2 месяца назад
Thank you for this. I'd thought "everybody" was going nuts. I am glad to hear I am not alone. Somehow. I was hearing whispers throughout the vid over the concern to fewer wallets. Then she brought it forward. Tell industry to get over it. Yeah I know, it is going to be rough making adjustments, but there it is.
@larrymunn5279
@larrymunn5279 2 месяца назад
Population will ebb and flow as resources allow. Everybody down n out can't afford a mouth to feed. Lack of economic slaves? I somehow can't feel sympathy for it. I dunno, that's just me. What goes up must come down.
@kristafluit3042
@kristafluit3042 Месяц назад
Well if you just hear "there's going to be 3 billion more people" and connect that with ecological disaster, I guess it would make sense. Looking a bit more into it, it makes way more sense to keep the population the way it is by simply making it possible for people to have as much children as they would like. And especially by making it easier for people to have more space, homesteads etc., people would both be an asset for the planet as for the economy and at the same time live happy lives. Maybe it sounds utopian but it's been done before.
@josephdonais4778
@josephdonais4778 Месяц назад
@@kristafluit3042 certainly am glad you are not in charge.
@sambitmishra1229
@sambitmishra1229 24 дня назад
@@larrymunn5279 this will be permanent low tide
@theanadevine
@theanadevine 2 месяца назад
Brilliant, engaging, calm in the face of flustered billionaires and policymakers who see a person with a uterus as a customer-printing machine, and so instructive. Thank you, Sinéad Bovell and team!
@wexpmedia5889
@wexpmedia5889 2 месяца назад
Maybe we can socially evolve our way into extinction!
@atlanticrf
@atlanticrf Месяц назад
All I see are many lonely women. past 40, with a wonderful "career"
@allthenewsordeath5772
@allthenewsordeath5772 22 дня назад
@@wexpmedia5889 I hope you are being sarcastic, but either way you hit the nail on the head, the people complaining about the environment now and how people should off themselves or whatever, are the same people who were doing eugenics and population control in the last century. It’s actually a pretty good rule of thumb that if your solution to X problem is to decrease the human population, you’re probably the bad guy historically.
@Cocoisagordonsetter
@Cocoisagordonsetter 6 дней назад
Who cares what random people want for your life? If you want a child it's going to be you who gets up in the middle of the night with a hopefully healthy baby and figures out how to nurture that being for years. It's an awesome privilege and lots of fun to parent, but it also sucks worse than you could imagine at times. AND I'm talking healthy children. I have 3.
@theanadevine
@theanadevine 6 дней назад
@@Cocoisagordonsetter I nominate this comment for inclusion in the wisdom literature canon.
@megansfo
@megansfo 2 месяца назад
IMO there are far too many people in the world NOW. This decline in population is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. The world will have to adjust, and it will in time. And if there are fewer consumers of goods, which is the real issue with magnates obviously, they will have to adjust too. I chose to be child free years ago, and am glad I did. ✌
@BJones-yw4dd
@BJones-yw4dd 2 месяца назад
Agree. This is an unnecessary & silly video, imo -- another RU-vidr selling some dumb thing they want us to "worry about" that is 1) DECADES in the future, ignoring all the potential changes that length of time entails and 2) is selling their concept based on pseudo-science. Hello? The fact that there could potentially (but not realistically) be far fewer humans around to pollute and screw up the planet is NOTHING to worry about, now or in the future. We should embrace an educated and low-birthrate populace in as many nations as possible. I chose to remain childless back in the 1980s due to what I learned about the advancing (& yep, still ongoing) environmental destruction of our one and only planet. There is not one second since that I have ever regretted protecting my children by never subjecting them to what's coming. I would LOVE to be proven wrong about human nature (selfish greed alone is doing a "great" job at killing us off.) But so far I've been right all along. Dammit.
@fuxan
@fuxan 2 месяца назад
Same childfree by choice and permanent
@covfefe1787
@covfefe1787 2 месяца назад
you will regret It once your old sick and all alone. Who will come to get your dead body off the floor? In Korea, thousands of 80-year-olds are found decomposing months after they have died. You will die alone miserable with no one to look after you.
@adrianthoroughgood1191
@adrianthoroughgood1191 2 месяца назад
All countries should aim for a gradual reduction. Going too fast causes major problems.
@altrag
@altrag 2 месяца назад
@@adrianthoroughgood1191 Trouble is they don't really have any direct control over the speed of reduction. They can gain indirect control by ensuring that families of the "right" size have the support they need to be happy and healthy, but that typically implies taxing the rich and legislating the corporations so they're pretty resistant to taking that option. Which means like climate change, they'll wait until its too late and then attempt to do something drastic as a last-minute fix which will likely help for a year or two before makings things much, much worse when the unintended or overlooked consequences hit.
@adventuringchemist
@adventuringchemist 2 месяца назад
My wife and I chose to wait until our 30s for children. It let us establish our careers and become financially secure. Also, by only having 2 kids, we can better focus on each one.
@KateeAngel
@KateeAngel 2 месяца назад
People still speak about it as if it is some revolutionary idea. While my grandma figured it out in 1952, when she had one child when she was 25, and stopped after that
@RealBradMiller
@RealBradMiller 2 месяца назад
​@@KateeAngelYeah, well, Grandma's didn't always have the choice to have sex(and thus babies) or not.
@fuxan
@fuxan 2 месяца назад
Childfree here...1 seems like too many with 8 billion people already
@paulipock6981
@paulipock6981 2 месяца назад
And your children will benefit from your decisions.
@ThoughtfulBiped
@ThoughtfulBiped 2 месяца назад
Sounds great, in theory. But, if everyone had only one child it would not be enough to replace the parents who had the one child and the population would eventually decline. Unless a bunch of other people decide to have huge families to make up the difference. That is China's current demographic issue since adopting their one child policy. Now there aren't enough young people to keep the economy afloat; buying houses and goods to support their burgeoning families, if they're even able to afford a family. Not to mention enough young people to take care of their elderly population that outnumbers the younger generations. This is the "nightmare" of Replacement Theory that white nationalists are having these days. The idea that other ethnic groups will take over the country because so many educated white people have decided to forego having children at a young age so they can live their lives, have their careers, and make their money before having children. It works for some folks to wait, but not everyone's bodies want to wait and they face an uphill battle when they finally decide to try. Which is why the Alabama decision on IVF treatments is such a kick in the nuts. A lot of people rely on IVF as they have children later in life. In a nutshell, it's beyond complicated when, as a government you see your population as cattle and just need them to make babies for your economic and military agendas. In my opinion, the low birth rate is the best thing for the planet, the economy can take a back seat and people can learn to adapt. As much as all of the adults in my life told me I would, I always knew I wouldn't have children and I have succeeded thus far.@@KateeAngel
@mcampbe41
@mcampbe41 Месяц назад
Birth rates are low and staying low. Japan is dying along with South Korea. It is not just about consuming, how do we supply all of these seniors with support in their old age with fewer people in the workforce?
@joimonae4090
@joimonae4090 13 дней назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1JshrF6G3fE.htmlsi=NeO59Q6H6ijNJOvj
@mizzmini45
@mizzmini45 4 дня назад
So is europe
@101ineke
@101ineke 4 дня назад
We live to long. And no, we are not more healthy, they keep us alive. Health care can do alot, but not enough, aging can not controlled.
@PowerSimplified1871
@PowerSimplified1871 3 дня назад
I have decided not to support my parents in favour of my own family. Not worth it.
@hansolowe19
@hansolowe19 2 месяца назад
High-intensity fertiliser indeed.. The nitrogen is now screwing ecosystems everywhere it is used on this massive scale. That's not a solution either. It's a problem that we created that allowed us to grow rapidly.
@apowerfuljedi1170
@apowerfuljedi1170 2 месяца назад
You are correct they just figured out a way of prolonging the inevitable, and it's at a major cost to all futures...
@77cicero77
@77cicero77 2 месяца назад
Yep, agriculture is one of the big exceptions to the general rule that population decline isn’t sufficient to stop climate change. No matter how clean and efficient we get in our energy use, at the end of the day more (and more affluent) people translates to more food, which tends to mean more nitrogen fertilizer and more land clearing. And as Europe is showing right now, farmers have little interest in the costs necessary to grow food in an environmentally efficient way - it’ll always be easier to use more fertilizer/pesticide or (if you’re in the right region) slash and burn wild lands. A decline in population (especially in affluent nations) could ease the pressures of agriculture on the climate and biosphere. It’s not a silver bullet, but it can help.
@BJones-yw4dd
@BJones-yw4dd 2 месяца назад
Not to mention the devastation that "Big Ag" and its horrific pesticides are wreaking in our insect and wildlife populations: neonicotinoids in RoundUp, glyphosate, dicamba, ad nauseam. Informed and thus outraged citizens have been calling on the Environmental PROTECTION Agency to ban these killers for years -- to virtually no avail. They make too much $$$ for the GOP PAC donor-companies to pass up, no matter what happens to their own kids' planet....
@358studios
@358studios 2 месяца назад
Love your channel and the topics you touched on in this video. IMHO, I wish you had given more time to the economics of what families face today. In my opinion, population collapse is a concern of the wealthy 1%. They're worried they'll run out of workers and consumers. Yeah, we may see a shortfall in services in 100 years, but that just translates into less profit for the 1%. Most families, at least the middle class in the US, require two incomes to keep up. Who wants to have children that will be raised by a daycare center while the parents are working to pay for the increase in the cost of living, increase in taxes, and the increase of having children. E.g., my brother and his wife are in their late 40s and they are still paying off their student loan debt. We want the fertility rate to go up, we need to take a look at the economics and the quality of life of these "workers and consumers".
@alanbudde8560
@alanbudde8560 2 месяца назад
The planet will heal. Thats what will happen
@sharonreddy5557
@sharonreddy5557 2 месяца назад
Does that healing include the human species?
@alanbudde8560
@alanbudde8560 2 месяца назад
@@sharonreddy5557 in what way? There are 10 times as many people alive as they were 100 years ago. That's overpopulation by my standard. We are the cockroaches
@alanbudde8560
@alanbudde8560 2 месяца назад
@reddy5557 yes, when we go back to a billion or two people which is what the planet can support. Today we are practically locusts consuming faster than the whole world can recover. The only way to do that is to reduce the birth rate and live sustainably
@sharonreddy5557
@sharonreddy5557 2 месяца назад
@@alanbudde8560 What the planet will support is advanced technology dependent. We waste massive amounts of resources, up in smoke. The Fire Age is ending and Stellar Age beginning.Population will fall, because we don't need to have several children in hopes one survives.
@TheGreatOne-gw7xh
@TheGreatOne-gw7xh Месяц назад
​@@sharonreddy5557human species doesnt need to be healed. It brought this upon itself.
@CitiesForTheFuture2030
@CitiesForTheFuture2030 2 месяца назад
When considering the impacts of demographics we should seek opinions of other scientists besides economists who are only concerned about money. We should also remember that absolute numbers are less important than population structures (kids vs teenagers vs adults vs retirees vs elderly people). For example, in the 80s there were a lot less people, but the economy was okay'ish generally. Elderly people are viewed by economists as "unproductive" and / or "a strain on national resources". The problem is they are only valuing people by work productivity & spending. But let's take a look at this more closely - as housing becomes more unaffordable, young people are staying at home longer, supported by parents - parents often give kids a financial step up by, for example, paying a deposit on a house or helping buy a car etc - grandparents often provide free childcare while parents work - older people are more likely to volunteer for welfare agencies & charities providing free social assistance to people govs are failing - older people provide lnowledge & wisdom gained over years of life experience - the cost of healthcare in general is because it's been privatised and corporations make big profits from health services - this is gov failure not the fault of the elderly - city a generally developed & managed to get rich men in fancy cars to / from work and fails to properly cater for ALL residents,incl the elderly, impacting their health & welfare awa via pollution from unregulated industry & manufacturing (again this is due to gov failure) There's lots we can do to support families like providing family planning services, and ensure families have everything they need to raise a happy family. Let's see if govs are doing this - serving the interests of economic & political elites only - rolling back the rights of women - gender inequity - no paid maternity leave, discrimination in career opportunities during family years etc - inaction on the ecological, biodiversity & climate crisis - slow on action against racism, sexicism, agism & misogyny etc - high rates of GBV & sex trafficking globally - heavy taxation of the middle & lower classes - cut backs on spending on social support services - privatisation of many essential services such as food, housing, energy & healthcare awa high cost of living etc Soon the only jobs available to most of us will be soldier, worker drone or sex slave. Our world is slowing disintegrating around us... not a good place for kids to grow up in. Perhaps its best that we don't - if there's very little hope for the future, why bring children into it? Tx for an interesting take on the demographic crisis. It was a bit short though - perhaps a series looking at different aspects of the crisis as there's a lot to consider (psychology, sociology, enviro sciences, development sciences, urban planning & development, gender studies, economics, healthcare & education, political sciences etc)
@marmarlittlechick
@marmarlittlechick 2 месяца назад
Well laid out. We may find that nature takes this formula into her own hands whether big industry likes it or not.
@CitiesForTheFuture2030
@CitiesForTheFuture2030 2 месяца назад
@@marmarlittlechick We need to recognise & value our older people. In many parts of the world multi-generational households are common, sharing resources & helping each other out. And after a lifetime of taxes, raising families, supporting the economy & contributing to society (eg donating to charities, community development, perhaps serving in the military in wars etc) govs & economists should shut up & pay up (like providing discounted integrated health services), awa make urban centres great places for our older folk to stay healthy, engaged & contributing to society instead of being stuck at home or in a care home (if they are still active). In my community retired people pretty much "run" our local library - volunteering, mending books & fundraising!
@eric2500
@eric2500 Месяц назад
Funny thing is, old people SPEND. Funny as in irony On our costs, our families and the stuff they want, on our doctors most of all, LOL And we are the last of the workers with pensions to spend. When our demographic bulge goes, there will be a big dip in spending which WILL bother the privatizers' bottom line. *That is why they want more kiddos in the pipeline, or so they think.* As you hint, a soldier/sex worker/ factory drone economy is not enough to keep the spending power UP the way they need for eternal growth of profits, even if they figure a way to keep everyone eating.
@allthenewsordeath5772
@allthenewsordeath5772 22 дня назад
@@CitiesForTheFuture2030 There is a wee problem with most of what you said, namely, that for the most part what we would consider extremely progressive and egalitarian societies i.e. the Nordic and Baltic countries still have below replacement fertility levels. At the end of the day, some of the things you mentioned do matter, but they don’t matter as much as other social factors, the one exception to the rule of rich countries having below replacement fertility levels is Israel, now Israel still has a very well educated female workforce, and is generally Considered to be a relatively progressive country, especially when compared to its neighbors, but underlying all of it is an immense sense of family, community, and national/ethnic identity, trying to be killed constantly for 2000 years kind of does that to people, but I digress. In short people aren’t having kids because they don’t view it as a priority in developed countries.
@CitiesForTheFuture2030
@CitiesForTheFuture2030 22 дня назад
@@allthenewsordeath5772 Most cultures have firmly entrenched family values. Perhaps high rates of urbanisation & nuclear families is losing its sense of community or family support structures? In my country parents go to cities to work with the grandparents left to raise the grandkids. Poverty & high rates of GBV also means high rates of teenage pregnancies. My country's fertility rate is above replacement rate. Any social issue is complex & different set of social constraints etc will exist. Most countries where fertlity rates are high there's usually high poverty & lack of respect for human rights, especially for women. If all things were equal everywhere would fertility rates be low everywhere? It's also interesting to think about what would make fertility rates increase? Some countries offer consumer goods like a tv, and other countries offer child support services eg free hours of childcare. So far I don't think anything is working...
@PatrickWard72
@PatrickWard72 2 месяца назад
It is crazy that there are factions out there trying to increase birth rates due to economics- specifically consumption. The theories surrounding economics were created by us and therefore can be adjusted to match our reality. Our use of limited resources and providing for society is largely based on innovation and policy. There are several companies out there that have and are developing technological solutions like AI, automation, robots etc that will help with our aging population and generally keeping society functioning and flourishing. A large reason why we are seeing a decrease in population is because people in the first world can't afford to have kids- there is a growing strain on resources to maintain our first world lifestyles, especially as more of us enjoy that lifestyle around the world. Better use of resources based on innovations are definitely happening so we will start seeing birth rates increase once that happens, especially with the cost surrounding: housing, food, education, and medical. As pointed out, we reached 2 billion at the beginning of the 20th century. We reached 1 billion the century before. Before then, stretching back to the beginning of civilization, we were far below 1 billion people and had a shorter life expectancy- we survived...baring a nuclear war, which keeps being threatened by Putin, we will continue to survive and become stronger.
@danz1182
@danz1182 Месяц назад
Your comment reflects a fundamental lack of understanding of the problem. At its core a society has to figure out what resources it will devote to caring for those that cannot care for themselves and that do not contribute to the overall resources available to society. The very young and very old contribute the least and take the most. You can use tools, like robots, to perform some of the tasks required to keep people alive. Hopefully, these tools are efficient and consume fewer resources than what they replaced. We are a really long way away still from a robot and software being a more efficient caregiver than a human, but even if we get there the person that needs the robot is a net taker from society's resources - just at a somewhat lower rate. At the very end of the day, no matter what your political system or economic model, net output cannot exceed inputs (inputs include borrowings). In a collapsing population a greater percentage of people are net takers. You have to find enough inputs to meet their needs (or you can just stop meeting them). What this means, robots and AI notwithstanding, is older or no retirement age, localized critical shortages, potential systemic breakdowns, potential forced relocations, general limitations on freedom in an effort to control shortages, and endemic political instability. The mitigant is breakthroughs in efficiency. If efficiency goes up fast enough, it can cover for the demographic change, but that is really unlikely. One final note, do not look to Japan and South Korea and say, look, its not so bad. Those countries are relying on massive inflows from outsourced production. That trick only works for the bleeding edge. As consumption drops worldwide in the 2nd half of this century that will cease to be a viable option.
@PatrickWard72
@PatrickWard72 Месяц назад
@@danz1182 Well thought through argument! I agree with what you are saying. I wouldn't say that I don't understand the problem but I only have a limited time to explore the topic on this medium. I think there are many factors that will decide whether our future with a decreasing population is grim or successful. Through adversity comes opportunity and luckily there are many entrepreneurs out there that are working to solve this issue on many, many fronts- AI and robotics being only a part of the effort. I just focused on those two as the obvious examples, given how topical they have been as of late. I follow many of these entrepreneurs and am encouraged but obviously there are many variables that could hamper their efforts and lead us to a disaster. One is mindset, specifically.... 'we have always done it that way so why change'. Hopefully we will see less of that mentality moving forward. We have historically been so inefficient/ ineffective with our resources through the value chain so there is significant room for improvement that will potentially offset or soften the affect of our decreasing population moving forward. Given that the US, Canada, and Europe are favored places for immigration, the affects of population decrease will be dulled until near the end of the century, giving us time to get our acts together in solving the resource issues. Social changes will also have an affect on our decreasing population- ONE example (given that I have work to do), in Vancouver and many other places in NA, we are transitioning to a greater number of multigenerational households. The reason for this transition has mostly to do with cost of housing but the added benefit is that the grandparents can assist with raising the grandkids and the grandkids and parents can help with the needs of the grandparents.
@eric2500
@eric2500 2 месяца назад
Um scuse me, Skeptical Boomer here again - those new farming techniques _ especially pesticides and enormous monoculture as shown in your clip there_ have resulted in exhausted soil and nasty resistant pests!
@eba44
@eba44 2 месяца назад
Thank you for saying what I was thinking. My eyebrows shot up when that was offered as a perfectly acceptable result of a growing population. Nu uh. I'm not at all in agreement that bs farming techniques and GMOs pretend to solve our food problem. Add to your list allergies and/or adverse food reactions, actual malnutricion and soil death. I'm also in agreement w/ an above comment that it needs to be discussed not only from the economists' pov, but also scientists and doctors. (from a 'Boom-X' cusp child)
@davestagner
@davestagner 2 месяца назад
@@eba44These farming techniques suck, yes. But billions of people starving sucks worse. Learning to feed the entire population without the problems of current agriculture is a really important challenge, but romanticized visions of “family farms” aren’t going to work.
@feral4813
@feral4813 2 месяца назад
Here we are ALREADY suffering from CAFOs pesticide and fertilizer runoff making rivers and streams unusable and ground water undrinkable.
@Raja1938
@Raja1938 13 дней назад
Not to mention fertilizer & pesticide runoffs into rivers, lakes & oceans. There's a huge "dead zone" in the Gulf of Mexico thanks to the runoff coming from the Mississippi.
@jaynebarry5658
@jaynebarry5658 2 месяца назад
Less people to suffer here, isn’t the worst thing that could happen.
@caseyleichter2309
@caseyleichter2309 2 месяца назад
Reducing the human population is absolutely a good thing - for one thing, it could mean less human sprawl into hitherto undeveloped/wild land areas. ' If we could focus on any one thing, I'd strongly urge advocating a revolution in attitudes toward consumption. We need a shift in global philosophy away from uncontrolled consumption, casual consumption ("click once to order from Temu!"), and an end to planned obsolescence that requires frequently replacing everything from shoes to major appliances. Reducing the excessive and needless buying of ephemeral, non-recyclable, non-sustainable goods will have a ripple effect throughout the world: stop supporting polluting industries, stop giving money to the private equity interests that are behind them, stop putting money in multi-billionaire pockets. I'm not sure how to make that shift happen: young people, though far more aware of and concerned about climate change, show no signs of limiting their consumption of the very consumer goods that exacerbate it.
@fuxan
@fuxan 2 месяца назад
Yes agreed childfree by choice to reduce demand and supply at the same time. Spare nature which we all need each other for.
@amigos4erin
@amigos4erin 2 месяца назад
On the planned obsolescence front, write to the FTC and ask them to change the rule that says Durable Goods only have to last two years back to five years, like it was.
@ThoughtfulBiped
@ThoughtfulBiped 2 месяца назад
Sadly, if all of the kind and intelligent people stop having children because they see the effects of humanity at large, think of who will be left having all of the children... the Earth will be left in ruin by the greedy, impulsive, war mongers of the world. I guess they will eventually consume themselves and humans will cease to exist, so maybe it's a good thing. Who knows... @@fuxan
@eric2500
@eric2500 Месяц назад
Well, they do in some ways. Young folks are organizing clothing swaps as a way to have their fast fashion without buying more. They just need to be taught to do their own alterations and mending as will.
@sambitmishra1229
@sambitmishra1229 24 дня назад
@@fuxan or you can have children and not live a consumerist life. you can live a simple life, most of the world though not by choice does live a simple life. like replace car by bicycle.
@AntonArmsberg
@AntonArmsberg Месяц назад
The population is growing where they can't feed kids and shrinking where they can't pay for kids.
@carlcole6311
@carlcole6311 2 месяца назад
There's a disconnect between how our civilization views humans vs. every other species. An increase in food supply results in an increase in the feeder population. Everytime.
@ajchapeliere
@ajchapeliere 2 месяца назад
Wait, you mean an increase in the food supply means /fewer individuals starve/?? 😮 Also, we have this magical thing called birth control that other species haven't figured out yet as far as we know.
@carlcole6311
@carlcole6311 2 месяца назад
@ajchapeliere actually, an increase in food supply means more people starve. By shipping grain from Middle America to Saharan Africa, the population explosion there continues, furthering the desertification of the planet. Birth control may work on an individual level, but when you look at species population as a whole, it doesn't seem to have an effect. There's thousands of years of data supporting that statement, but not even one year since the invention of birth control has human population decreased. Human population increases every year, so more land is put to agriculture to feed the starving millions, but every increase in food production is met with an increase in population. Every time. For every species. There's absolutely no proof to the contrary.
@danielobrien9502
@danielobrien9502 2 месяца назад
Corporate greed has devastated the middle class in America. I would have loved to have a family of 4 kids, but there's no way we could have afforded more than 2, especially with both parents in the house needing to work. If you want the population to grow, either fund child care with public money, or make it possible for a larger family to be supported by one wage earner.
@MaoRatto
@MaoRatto Месяц назад
Don't forget about the broken marriage and family court system!
@allthenewsordeath5772
@allthenewsordeath5772 22 дня назад
@@MaoRatto Oh, it’s almost like the social revolutions of the 60s were a veiled attempt to increase economic productivity by propagating things like no-fault divorce and pushing more women into the workforce OK that’s a bit of an oversimplification to be sure but look at the number of corporations that will offer their female employees Insurance that covers birth control and abortions, and see how many of them also offer their female employees paid maternity leave.
@yosefgoldberg541
@yosefgoldberg541 2 месяца назад
Well if the climate will change there going to be less food and then population will shrink much faster.
@eba44
@eba44 2 месяца назад
and when the availability becomes unstable, populations become unstable.
@atlanticrf
@atlanticrf Месяц назад
No, people will just move to better places.
@eric2500
@eric2500 2 месяца назад
Demographic changes are never forever.
@leohorishny9561
@leohorishny9561 2 месяца назад
And look around, how many people around do you WANT to be raising children? Just because someone can, in no way, means they should…with or without government programs.🤨
@sambitmishra1229
@sambitmishra1229 24 дня назад
so collectivism when comes to rights/welfare, but individualism when responsibilities?
@deinos9661
@deinos9661 2 месяца назад
The best thing governments can do to incentivize people to have more children is to offer free and low cost childcare. I don't have kids and even I know this.
@michaelellringer5600
@michaelellringer5600 Месяц назад
That's what France is doing to stimulate the fertility rate
@atlanticrf
@atlanticrf Месяц назад
Why do you trust the government to raise your children at their more critical age, birth to six?
@HansBezemer
@HansBezemer Месяц назад
Marriage rates are quickly declining as well. Singles either don't have kids or regret it later.
@Petch85
@Petch85 2 месяца назад
It is more about the rate of change than the change itself. We can handle more or less people as long as we have time to adjust.
@WilliamSantos-cv8rr
@WilliamSantos-cv8rr 2 месяца назад
Exactly. But the army of nonsense coments think that it is okay to have 1 adult suporting 2 retirees.
@robertbrandywine
@robertbrandywine 24 дня назад
@@WilliamSantos-cv8rr If we develop AI workers, then that's entirely possible.
@allthenewsordeath5772
@allthenewsordeath5772 22 дня назад
@@WilliamSantos-cv8rr The situation is especially dire in east Asia, in South Korea for instance at current levels by the end of the century there will be approximately one child for every eight retirees. To put into perspective as to how much of an apocalyptic drop that is in population the black death wiped out around 1/3 to 1/2 of Europe , at the current rate if extrapolated over 200 years, the population of South Korea will drop by 98%.
@joimonae4090
@joimonae4090 13 дней назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1JshrF6G3fE.htmlsi=NeO59Q6H6ijNJOvj
@diane_princess
@diane_princess 2 месяца назад
Change also means opportunities. I hope after the change wealth and population will be a bit more evenly distributed over the world. Also a focus on essentials, farming/energy/healthcare/technology. Also more solidarity, because the older generation (aka me by that time) will have to support each other and provide entertainment. There's no doubt in my mind the transition will be hard, but my dream is that afterwards we will live in a slightly better world. I won't have any kids but it is my intention to invest in society as long as possible and the best way I can. Together we can do it.
@atlanticrf
@atlanticrf Месяц назад
Keep dreaming!
@eric2500
@eric2500 Месяц назад
❤❤!
@ochotunes
@ochotunes 2 месяца назад
It's a smaller world after all. 😉
@glennelliott708
@glennelliott708 Месяц назад
Imagine a world where a young family can afford to own a home
@nahuel
@nahuel 2 месяца назад
Why would this be a thing?? Why would people be sooo worried about population going down in 100 years or so? We should all be happy if that happens!
@358studios
@358studios 2 месяца назад
It's just my opinion, but I think the top 1% of those who hold all the money in the world are worried they will not have any consumers or workers if the middle class shrinks. This is not a concern for those of us living paycheck to paycheck (paying increasing cost of living, taxes, etc...) trying to make ends meet.
@Cherry-ki3ln
@Cherry-ki3ln 2 месяца назад
Low pensions high working age. Short term loses that already alive people will see, long term gain they won't
@BSGSV
@BSGSV 2 месяца назад
Even middle class wealth building and financial security is based on interest rates and stocks (401k), the increase in value of which is tied to revenue growth. That doesn't happen if the customer base shrinks. Even those living paycheck to paycheck will feel the pain when things get expensive due to a shrinking market.
@358studios
@358studios 2 месяца назад
@@BSGSVI agree with you given the current circumstances. That needs to change. It isn't working well for the majority. Short term, things will get more expensive, but then corporations will have to re-evaluate their business, which will drive down expenses. How do you justify a head of lettuce, by a ratio of income to a head of lettuce, costing much more than it did 40 years ago? Eggs, same. Aren't we more efficient with those processes? Mass production. More with less. Unfortunately, humans are stuck in a short-duration, narcissistic, feedback loop. Meaning, the individual's concerns of today overwhelm the potential societal catastrophes 150 years from now. This couldn't be more apparent than with the 1%. IMHO, omitting inflation, revenue growth has nothing to do with profitability. I realize this is a much bigger discussion with many minute details, but in the end, revenue growth does not determine the health of a company or how it pays out profit to stockholders (keep the money and grow - price appreciation, or pay a dividend - grow slower). Managing revenue, cash flow, and profitability drives the health of a company. The challenge lies in the ever-consistent need to grow revenue, paying huge sums to the few, at the expense of the employees and consumers. "More with less" is the motto of every company I've ever worked for and btw thanks for reading... gotta get back to work now. :)
@JMo268
@JMo268 2 месяца назад
@@BSGSVYes this video was very general but the root of the issue is how do you maintain savings in an economy that shrinks every year for decades. Today Japan can invest in American stocks but when every country is shrinking there will be no haven for money to grow.
@3XLDave
@3XLDave Месяц назад
Is that a typo at 0:13, where the 1990 population is shown to be 1.65 billion? Should that be 1890? I believe population was around 3 billion in the 1960s, so it couldn't have been 1.65 billion in 1990.
@Matthew.Morycinski
@Matthew.Morycinski 2 месяца назад
I think what people underestimate is the necessary shift in expectations. It's theoretically possible that having more older people to take care of may lead to young people not being able to keep up with the demand. But this view is based on the scarcity model: a belief that we are barely able to keep up producing what the population needs to survive and prosper. But I propose that it's an illusion. In fact there is a large number of jobs in the economy that are make-work. Producing a new model of a car every year is a straightforward example. Another is forcing a new model of cellphone onto the market, while making sure the old one is no longer updated after four years, even by a willing third party. It's basically gauding the population into believing they HAVE TO buy a new phone, while making the technically savvy unable to keep old phones working, by locking out everyone except the manufacturer, using crypto-locks and secrecy. There is absolutely no need for this; my desktop is a 2011 model running Linux, which is a proof old hardware can go on for much longer. But it can only be done because it's based on IBM PC, an open technology, rather than secret design of cell phones that are not mutually compatible. There are other examples of market and regulatory capture that only serves manufacturers. There are NO technical reasons for the crazy amount of make-work going on, just to please the banks and stuff CEOs' pockets. Perhaps if we redirected the economies of the world to concentrate on sensible, useful, open technologies, we could afford the health care, the pensions, the agricultural machinery, the next-year's seed, and even mass-produce robots that can cater to the needs of the elderly population. But if we don't, all that will happen is that the industrial complex will burn itself out, leaving us hungry and helpless, and slaves to the few remaining people with options, who will have life and death power over us.
@eric2500
@eric2500 Месяц назад
Thanks. "Make - work" used to be the insult flung at government projects, no matter how usefull the project was - or not. But now it applies SO MUCH BETTER to the thousands of "jobs" where they "work" placing bets on the feelings of investors about the "value" of DIGITAL MONEY OR DIGITAL ART......using up enormous volumes of electricity and computing resources. This and other high tech atrocities and excesses and other "work" catering to simply obscene level of wealth and greed could and should be redirected to sustainable humane thrift - and reward for people who WORK...🤬!
@generalnawaki
@generalnawaki 2 месяца назад
The big challenge is going to be clean drinkable water and until that's figured out little else matters.
@janicehuff1183
@janicehuff1183 2 месяца назад
👍Water is the next oil. It will be a limited and expensive resource.
@generalnawaki
@generalnawaki 14 дней назад
@@janicehuff1183 and just as many if not more wars will be fought over it. sucks to live in a water rich nation >.
@Pollymichaelis
@Pollymichaelis Месяц назад
Nature balances itself
@AifDaimon
@AifDaimon 2 месяца назад
Finally!!! Good news for mother nature
@alanbudde8560
@alanbudde8560 2 месяца назад
exactly
@ochotunes
@ochotunes 2 месяца назад
Yes! But I wonder if the news is good enough. The video seems to indicate that it likely isn't.
@KateeAngel
@KateeAngel 2 месяца назад
​@@ochotunesnature has recovered from Permian extinction. So it can recover from any current crisis for sure. Humans should worry about themselves, we are destroying our own future, not all of life or the planet
@prettypic444
@prettypic444 2 месяца назад
A LOT of countries seem caught in a "no take only throw" mentality when it comes to increasing birthrates. they want the benefits of a high birthrate without making the social, economic, or political that would actively incentivize women to give birth. as long as women are unable to rely on supports like affordable childcare, labor laws protecting their job, and others, they can't reliably trust in their ability to provide the best life for themselves and their children
@fleachamberlain1905
@fleachamberlain1905 2 месяца назад
Decline to how many? It will have to decline to a lot fewer than we currently have now to get to 'not overpopulated'. David Attenborough said, "I can't think of a single problem that wouldn't be easier to solve if there were less people". And he was talking about whatever the population was years ago. We already have too many. 10 billion is terrible even if it is the plateau and the end of the century is plenty of decades to do damage from overpopulation. I don't see those forecasts as good news. Preventing fewer consumers and taxpayers is not a good reason to keep increasing overpopulation, given the preponderance of problems it causes to the ones it allegedly addresses. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IC0ysBmD--c.htmlsi=-9lj_9vCVpMCDOzZ
@allthenewsordeath5772
@allthenewsordeath5772 22 дня назад
Saying there are too many children is like saying there are too many flowers, but I’m sure history will judge you just as kindly as it has all the other people who say we should get rid of all the undesirables.
@PopularesVox
@PopularesVox 2 месяца назад
Population decline all over the world and people still aren't being told the truth about exposure to agricultural chemicals and falling fertility rates.
@eric2500
@eric2500 Месяц назад
Really? Here is this detectable decline we are talking about. Only we are framing it in terms of our own one little species, when we should be worrying more about the soil, the frogs, the bugs, the birds and so on. We are at the top more or less of the food chain and hurting what is underneath, supporting us. That's the greater danger to human population in the near future - more cancers, less land, less food.
@eric2500
@eric2500 2 месяца назад
FEWER CHILDREN who are raised by EDUCATED and EMPLOYED mothers and fathers mean a better life for those children. What parent on earth does not want that?
@sambitmishra1229
@sambitmishra1229 24 дня назад
you dont understand exponential decay, think half life of coffee. there none left by end of day
@j.obrien4990
@j.obrien4990 2 месяца назад
your graphic at the beginning should have the date 1900 for when the population reached 1.65M. As for billionaires whining about falling birthrates -- they just want more masses to exploit.
@kit2770
@kit2770 2 месяца назад
I have zero concern about a declining population. If our economies and societies need to adjust to suit a world with fewer people, then fine, no problem. What's the big deal? A world that doesn't depend on wasteful consumerism would be a great thing. Jeff Bezos and his endless river of cash might be affected by such a world, but that would be just fine with me. Billionaires are an indicator of an unhealthy society.
@SDongil
@SDongil 2 месяца назад
Oh, gosh - at 4:40 you came so close to saying something like we need to get away from a consumption economy (although old people "consume", too) and then didn't take it beyond Sciubba's remarks.
@harveytheparaglidingchaser7039
@harveytheparaglidingchaser7039 Месяц назад
Decarbonising agriculture is going to be a massive challenge, food shortages are back on the agenda for multiple reasons, droughts, wars, displacement, diet change and sustainability are coming whether we want it or not
@sambitmishra1229
@sambitmishra1229 24 дня назад
Agriculture IS the decorbonizing process. but do we use the carbon? food --> transport (bicycles) residue --> material (hemp/cellulose cotton)
@harveytheparaglidingchaser7039
@harveytheparaglidingchaser7039 24 дня назад
​@@sambitmishra1229 it can be if it's regenerative and improves the soil. That's only happening on a very small scale currently. Look at Our World in Data "Joseph Poore and Thomas Nemecek, estimated that the food system was responsible for one-quarter (26%) of global emissions.1 A new study, published by Monica Crippa and colleagues in Nature Food estimates a higher share: one-third (34%) of emissions.2"
@TedToal_TedToal
@TedToal_TedToal 2 месяца назад
The Population Boom was only wrong in the particular disaster it predicted. It was right on in predicting disaster from overpopulation. Now we have it: out of control climate change. And there are others. Planet-wide microplastic pollution. Massive species and habitat decline. Unaffordable land and housing leading to massive homelessness. So, economic crises have ALREADY happened due to overpopulation. Yes, further economic challenges will occur as a result of aging populations. This is especially true because we have an economy founded on the false idea of perpetual growth. Now that we see the flaw in that, one might think there would be a great deal of effort going on to find ways to change the economy to function well with DECLINING growth, but I don't see that happening. We'll wait till the last second just like we are doing with climate change. But declining population is a very good thing, not a bad thing. It will eventually give the earth a chance to recover. And one more thought: economic disaster seems more likely to be coming from AI rather than population decline. But actually, with a different economy the two could work hand-in-hand, AI providing the workforce needed to sustain a largely post-retirement-age population.
@Pottery4Life
@Pottery4Life 2 месяца назад
6:12 These adaptive, large scale farming practices (animal/vegetable) have been shown to be rather destructive and non sustaining.
@joweb1320
@joweb1320 2 месяца назад
The less humans in rich countries, the better.
@audreydoyle5268
@audreydoyle5268 2 месяца назад
Oh, that's just genius. Concentrate the wealth further.
@joweb1320
@joweb1320 2 месяца назад
@@audreydoyle5268 It allows the poor climate refugees a place to move to.
@covfefe1787
@covfefe1787 2 месяца назад
@@joweb1320 ah yes the anti white agenda. TAX THE CHILDLESS!!!!!!!!!!
@mikefinn
@mikefinn Месяц назад
Great coverage of this topic. Thank you.❤
@jayfeather5531
@jayfeather5531 2 месяца назад
This was such a informative video on such a crucial topic. More people should be know this so we can make the necessary changes. Such as pivoting our economy away from a profit driven model
@jenniferpeeso7172
@jenniferpeeso7172 2 месяца назад
Population collapse is the least of our worries. Why does it matter how many people are on the planet if the planet is burning and no longer suitable to support life. Why does the economy matter if everybody is starving? As humans, as societies, as governments, we need to figure out how to live without consumption being a marker of economic success. We have to stop buying things to feel successful or normal. We have to modify our behaviors today if we have any interest or compassion for future of life on Earth.
@little_forest
@little_forest 2 месяца назад
Well, the economy has finally to adapt to not exponential growth. And in rich countries, they still try to achieve exponential growth even with lower birth rates, which makes richer countries the largest environmental problem. So economy adapting to a stable non-growing market would be sensible both considering population and environment.
@atlanticrf
@atlanticrf Месяц назад
Do you think that poor countries would not be environmental problems if they became rich?
@little_forest
@little_forest Месяц назад
@@atlanticrf Well, your comment is an oxymoron: if a poor country becomes rich, it is obviously a rich country and not a poor country anymore. Hence, there is no question to reply to.
@CampingforCool41
@CampingforCool41 Месяц назад
Wow it’s almost like infinite growth and constantly increasing consumption on a finite world isn’t sustainable!
@MrNote-lz7lh
@MrNote-lz7lh Месяц назад
No, it's sustainable. But progressive ideology isn't and is what's going to lead to our extinction. If it wasn't for conservative subcultures like the amish.
@thesun6211
@thesun6211 2 месяца назад
2.3 children per couple sounds about ideal as a global birthrate, though births/woman and births/couple are different enough as metrics that the figures shouldn't be used interchangeably. "Close to population replacement" birthrates are the ideal, not only for climate reasons, but political and economic stability as well; not so many as to increase stress on infrastructure and renewable natural resources, not so few as to cause economic instability instead of allowing incremental change that forces wages and standards of living to rise with the invention and adoption of new technology.
@WilliamSantos-cv8rr
@WilliamSantos-cv8rr 2 месяца назад
Exactly what I think
@sambitmishra1229
@sambitmishra1229 24 дня назад
its average for whole world, once indonesia and nigeria fall its over
@allthenewsordeath5772
@allthenewsordeath5772 22 дня назад
@@sambitmishra1229 , Stability is overall a pretty good take to have on the issue, but currently the issue is that most places aren’t stable.
@alexoceanmeow
@alexoceanmeow 2 месяца назад
I'm choosing to not have kids at all at this point, but if I still wanted them - I can't buy a house that I will for sure own until I cease and be able to give to my kids for them to have or sell. I am worried about buying a new car rn as well. I can't even afford to feed myself a true good diet, I'm not birthing a kid to not be able to feed them. Even with insurance, my own eyes and teeth bills always trip me for months after a visit, I cannot afford another person's health costs. And it wasn't long ago when the talk of "pre existing conditions" was here and basically if you were born with xyz it was looking like a possibility that insurance wasn't wanting to cover it (I think that got banned but I personally won't forget that evil). And let's say I have child no. 1 and it goes great but pregnancy no. 2 is an ectopic pregnancy and nation wide I'm pretty much told its better for me to just stop existing - what if I cease, what happens to my already here child? I could go on and on. I could mention how I've been socially treated pre-marriage, during, and now post-marriage by people. Society is ugly to women, I fear raising a daughter here. Just, in conclusion, why why WHY would I procreate? There's no benefit in any direction except in the just "being a mom" bc I had considered it before and that looks so selfish and like an ugly choice to me knowing I could not provide and having an unsure future for them to survive in. I also hate that this feels like its "economics! Corporations! Rich overlords worry!" D amn them. I hope they worry themselves off of something high.
@eric2500
@eric2500 Месяц назад
I just want to tell you that you are not alone in your feelings, and to wish you well. Take care.
@robbabcock_
@robbabcock_ 2 месяца назад
We probably have to let go of economic fantasies that seemed realistic for a few hundred years. Capitalism as practiced in the West was never really sustainable, either in terms of the environment or as a viable economic system. Modern crony capitalism must always expand to survive; it's the ultimate Ponzi scheme. And one can easily see how failure is baked into the very premise. For example Western companies have always sought to force their way into new markets to create new consumers of their products but even more importantly as fresh sources of cheaper labor. But eventually those "developing economies" will "mature" causing wages to rise necessitating finding even newer markets to exploit. And since rising productivity nearly always depends on creating a more educated workforce this further drives fertility rates down since education and economic opportunity are the main drivers of the choice to have less children. The fact is that for much of human history women have few if any choices at all.
@atlanticrf
@atlanticrf Месяц назад
Yes, let's let the government decide how to distribute assets. That works so well in Cuba and Venezuela.
@portalkey5283
@portalkey5283 2 месяца назад
Related topic: We know by now that it's less about "over population" and more about "hoarding of limited resources," right?
@2945antonio
@2945antonio Месяц назад
1. We must stop the compulsion of trying to engineer everything - today we want less babies, tomorrow more, etc; let the couples decide what size of family they wish. And those who decide to have large families (for reasons best known to them) go ahead and make sure they can feed and look after them and not clamour for subventions from society. 2. I can not understand why a decrease of population is being presented as a negative. For starters, there will be a beneficial impact on environment for obvious reasons; it is incidental, but positive 3.The other reason why a fall in population is is perceived to be of concern is (a) funding for Pensions and (b) a fall in demand and as a consequence lower Employment and lower Profits for the Corporations. 4.These are genuine fears, in our present economic thinking. What we need, however, is (a) a new economic model that produces only what is required, such that conspicuous and wasteful consumption is eliminated, but enough is produced to provide for everyone's needs to have a comfortable standard of living (b) evolve a new theory of economic production that reflects our ability to produce optimally and, side by side, a theory of distribution of wealth in a world where scarcity is a thing of the past (c) unleash new ideas for the people to use their leisure time in a way that is fulfilling. Our economic Theories hang on the overriding premise of - SCARCITY. We need to recognize that Scarcity will not be a limiting factor from the last quarter of this Century (or thereabouts). Therefore, MONEY, as we know it will not be the driver of choices. Thank you.
@andrewhanson5942
@andrewhanson5942 2 месяца назад
Get used to it, things are gonna change. Perhaps Thanos was on to something...
@razzle1964
@razzle1964 2 месяца назад
I used to kinda like that theory. I think I saw Clint Barton holding a mug that said as such, in ‘Hawkeye’. Then again, why didn’t Thanos use the stones to just make the universe twice as big?
@hienmango
@hienmango Месяц назад
We can’t flirt with each other anymore without fear of being accused of sexual harassment. And we wonder why young people aren’t dating.
@alexanderbaca7352
@alexanderbaca7352 2 месяца назад
We are heading towards a dark age of lost knowledge and disinformation. Led chiefly by a lack of resources and education.
@ia8018
@ia8018 2 месяца назад
Dark ages are the best ages, bring it on!
@TrackProbe
@TrackProbe 5 дней назад
People do not know how to bring up children, lack of time and resources, lack of community support, poor education standards leave children and youth scarred for life
@hourbee5535
@hourbee5535 2 месяца назад
This is why we need refugees and migrants to keep the country going. No replacement is happening.
@eulers
@eulers 2 месяца назад
That's just delaying the inevitable, treating migrants like a resource to keep the ponzi scheme going
@mattmccallum2007
@mattmccallum2007 2 месяца назад
Fuck no
@myklebustsears
@myklebustsears 2 месяца назад
This is a great trend for the planet
@Music-wu5de
@Music-wu5de 2 месяца назад
You mean having only old people?
@myklebustsears
@myklebustsears 2 месяца назад
@@Music-wu5de that'll sort itself out. I mean having fewer people
@Music-wu5de
@Music-wu5de 2 месяца назад
@@myklebustsears But the point of the video is that we will have more people but fewer young people.
@KateeAngel
@KateeAngel 2 месяца назад
​@@Music-wu5dewe would have enough money to support elderly if the richest few percent didn't hoard half of all wealth
@shaunmckenzie5509
@shaunmckenzie5509 2 месяца назад
​@@Music-wu5deThat's just looking at it from a human viewpoint. For the planet it's a good thing.
@PigeonPlays-zf3mq
@PigeonPlays-zf3mq 7 дней назад
Corporations better stop mass production of toxic substances if consumption is still gonna be our basis for economics. An elderly majority means that most people will be unfit for most labor.
@tedcarter4258
@tedcarter4258 Месяц назад
Excellent information. Thank you
@giamartube
@giamartube 2 месяца назад
So, clearly the answer is: 1. Stop climate change and lower emissions now 2. Reduce population as it will consume less and use less planetary resources 3. Ditch capitalism, consumerism and infinite growth economic models which are out of the laws of Physics and get to a sustainable steady state
@BradThePitts
@BradThePitts 2 месяца назад
Thanks! What's your plan for #3?
@giamartube
@giamartube 2 месяца назад
@@BradThePitts start voting for parties and people that propose different economic models, based on science, equality, redistribution of wealth.
@markseslstorytellerchannel3418
@markseslstorytellerchannel3418 Месяц назад
You think Africa's population isn't going to get decimated by climate change?
@HansBezemer
@HansBezemer Месяц назад
It is. Believe me, it is. The writing is on the wall. Wait till the GDP is not enough to finance food imports.
@mizzmini45
@mizzmini45 4 дня назад
Nope!! Africa is the only continental growing massively
@markseslstorytellerchannel3418
@@mizzmini45 For now.
@charlesthomas438
@charlesthomas438 24 дня назад
Honestly I think a loss in population is not a bad thing. There already a strain on resources. Lower demand equals lower costs, less crowding and more opportunity. The only sectors that benefit from excessive population are corporations, they sell more products at higher costs and governments get more tax revenue!
@wolfwalker5924
@wolfwalker5924 Месяц назад
Overpopulation leads to less opportunity, increased distress, fewer jobs, more violence, increased government control to try and mitigate the increased violence and overuse of earth resources. Those seeking more money want to ensure growth. Those seeking increased quality of life want the polluting, people population to decrease.
@dcookie4444
@dcookie4444 2 месяца назад
Population increase has been a key driver of global warming.
@medusianAllure
@medusianAllure 2 месяца назад
I'm proud to have done my part for population decline. No babies will come from my genes. But I still want to adopt or foster kids somehow. Which requires enough income to afford it.
@atlanticrf
@atlanticrf Месяц назад
Good luck with your adopted or foster kids full of problems.
@claudeflorentine2223
@claudeflorentine2223 2 месяца назад
I don't get why this would be a bad thing. The only reason the video seems to give about why it would be bad is that it's not going to fix climate change (doesn't mean that decline is in itself bad) and that capitalism would not find it profitable. These are not important reasons. Why is there an urge to have more and more people? What does that serve? (Outside of religious dogma.) Surely the goal is homeostasis so that we can continue, and for the people who are alive *now* to be safe and happy.
@michatarnowski580
@michatarnowski580 2 месяца назад
A very balanced video; it avoids both kinds of alarmism. On one hand, it's important to say that reducing birth rates is neither necessary nor sufficient to stop climate crisis, but on the other hand, it avoids populist propaganda for breeding.
@James-MV
@James-MV 2 месяца назад
The population bomb did happen. We just managed to tech our way out of it. Even today, when the modern farming and food distribution even creaks a little - like the current war in one of the biggest wheat and oil producing regions - people start going hungry fast. We're also trying to tech our way out of the demographic collapse. Advanced automation - even down to self-checkout and cart following product tracking - removes some of the need for more unskilled labor. But, just as widespread famine is just a war away - regardless of how productive and efficient modern food production can be - so to will be the tech solution for an aging population. At some point a human will be required and if there are not enough of them, then systems start to fail. Stock up on popcorn. It's gonna get interesting...
@atlanticrf
@atlanticrf Месяц назад
Good observation! There are too many dreamers making comments.
@gigakoresh
@gigakoresh 2 месяца назад
Are you sure the low fertility is a result of women choosing to have fewer children, and not families simply being forced to have fewer kids because they cannot afford to accomodate them due to the never-ending housing crisis driven by ever-accelerating income inequality? From my perspective as a middle income "salary man", the global financial system and political populism seem to be the main cause of why we aren't able to adapt. Previously the people with power were affected by most of the same crises as the rest of us so there was consensus on how to solve issues. Now, thanks to the global financial system, the rich and powerful are exempt from effects of all but the worst disasters, because they can distribute their risk among the rest of us. I think we should vote for politicians that extend terms of elected leaders and remove re-election, so that the people we elect are not afraid to piss off the rich and actually implement the bold and global changes for the benefit of humanity as a whole, instead of the ultra-rich that sponsor their next re-election.
@atlanticrf
@atlanticrf Месяц назад
Rich people are usually smart, so good luck with your plan change things.
@eric2500
@eric2500 2 месяца назад
There are vast numbers of people trying to move from the places where weather and war have made life impossible to the extent they WALK hundred if not thousands of miles to come to where technological civilization and SOME equity in economy and civil services and life make it livable. They want jobs. LET'S WELCOME MIGRANTS TO THE GLOBAL NORTH!
@agnia85
@agnia85 2 месяца назад
No, thank you. The bring crime and live of welfare. Plus most of them are economic migrants. If they leave "dangerous" zones it's because they made it that way. Now the new places they come to will become dangerous and shitty
@green-user8348
@green-user8348 2 месяца назад
I liked what you said about supporting women...but with a caveat. I don't think we should ever let capitalism be the deciding factor in our growth models. In fact, it seems to me biodiversity of plants and animals would thrive with less people. Maybe humans needs to start thinking about the impact we have on the rest of the globe. I am an older person. I would consider self-suicide at a certain age in order to help society. There would have to be some real social shifts to accept this kind of thinking but why not? Anyone over 83 life usually is so challenged...maybe it could be on a person to person decision where those whose bodies are failing could be given the option of a state death, one that is very peaceful. And those who are doing well and want to continue could do so. This would decrease the social/economic strain...and these people could put their money and properties back into the social system. Just an idea, one of many that we should start to consider.
@NovaLeandrea
@NovaLeandrea 2 месяца назад
Climate change is the biggest challenge, 1000%. Thats one of the biggest reasons my partner and I are not having children. Who knows maybe yhat might change. I'm technically still in that fertile age for someone with a uterus. but I can not justify bringing someone who has no choice in the mayter into a world that for all intents and purposes is full of a multitude of threats to their potential furtue self. Thankfully I'm in a place to be able to make that choice (for now at least because forced birthers are becoming a much much bigger problem). I do think we can adjust to a smaller population, just as we did to a larger one, though not without its sometimes very big faults. However, I know climate change and what we do to mitigate it or not is the biggest and absolutely most difficult challenge we face.
@atlanticrf
@atlanticrf Месяц назад
No, the biggest threat that we face is nuclear winter, when war breaks out between two backward nations with nukes.
@erstwhile3793
@erstwhile3793 17 дней назад
Interesting that the people who see the specter of disaster in a population decline are for the most part, the same people who benefit from business as usual. Those of us who have been increasingly barred in various ways from prosperity through the current systems of government, economics, and social strata, tend to see the low birthing trend in a more nuanced way, and with much more curiosity as to the possible consequences.
@handlewithcare1234
@handlewithcare1234 2 месяца назад
the agricultural wonders you tout as solutions at the end are major contributors to our climate crisis The exploration of 'zero growth" economies....the horror of the 1 percent who own the majority of wealth and benefits of the current system....is a very important direction to consider, if we are allowed, to benefit global society as a whole
@jerrytalksaboutit9608
@jerrytalksaboutit9608 2 месяца назад
If I tried to sell a perpetual motion machine people would laugh in my face. yet those same people believe wholeheartedly in a perpetual growth economy. It's hard to have sympathy for the masters of capital when literally every economic interaction has been treated like a Greater Fool scam for the past century.
@ralitsastavreva2439
@ralitsastavreva2439 2 месяца назад
As population starts shrinking and our food needs are smaller we can focus on improving our food sources and on better global food distribution which would hopefully lead to better quality of life for everyone! I know it sounds rosy but the future is ours to build!
@sharonreddy5557
@sharonreddy5557 2 месяца назад
Let's add what we see every day. A family size package is now enough for three and higher price too.
@mafarmerga
@mafarmerga Месяц назад
The planet can not afford to change the current trend, and we should not want that either. What has to change (and what is easiest to change) is our economic system that is built on the insane concept of infinite growth. I am only a few years from retirement but my employer does not offer partial retirement, where I could still be productive and my health care costs could be met by Medicare (saving my employer $). If I could take partial Social Security payments (not an option today; it is all or nothing) then my income could remain the same as it is today, I would still be contributing to the economy AND I would be reducing the burden on the Social Security system. Why is this NOT an option for me? All we have to is change the way we think about these and other things that can be changed with the stroke of a pen. A whole lot simpler than removing millions of tons of CO2 from the atmosphere!!
@marktaichen
@marktaichen 20 дней назад
advanced economy population will fall for a decade or two then stabilize naturally.
@miknes12345
@miknes12345 23 дня назад
The problem is that the birthrate is declining in developed countries but remains very high in undeveloped countries.
@Raja1938
@Raja1938 13 дней назад
And while undeveloped countries can't afford high birthrates, they fall back on the option of sending excess population abroad.
@davidtucker8987
@davidtucker8987 6 дней назад
I am glad you mentioned the anthropocene. At the rate species are declining and tipping points are being exceeded we will not have a chance to decide what to do with population changes.,
@halisonserrao9351
@halisonserrao9351 Месяц назад
The question is, why to be worry with growth population? We are killing our planet, and we must be worry to grew population, it’s paradoxical.
@brlopwn
@brlopwn 2 месяца назад
I enjoyed the video and I see a lot of great comments and interesting discussion. In my mind, the next few decades are likely to bring back those ancient horrors humanity once hoped to overcome - war, famine, and disease. Hundreds of millions are likely to die in conflict and strife. Who wants to bring another person into that? Actually, I can't see why anyone would want to bring someone into the world *as it is now*, nevermind an overwhelmingly bleak future.
@atlanticrf
@atlanticrf Месяц назад
Yes, it is safer to stay your apartment.
@timeenoughforart
@timeenoughforart 16 дней назад
If we are worried about not having enough money for social services why are we cutting taxes? Seems a lack of common sense is the real problem.
@wonder6789
@wonder6789 13 дней назад
A much smaller and older world population sounds like good news to me.
@rickfrauton7691
@rickfrauton7691 2 месяца назад
The graphic at 0:13 shows a world population of 1.65B in 1990, but that was the population in 1890. In 1990 it was more like 5.3B. Still staggering growth, but please correct the graphic!
@iamjadedhobo
@iamjadedhobo 2 месяца назад
My job is to make more and more people unemployed. Thinking that one needs to work to earn a living will not be tenable much longer. When we switch away from that dogma then the need for young working people to be the financiers of our society will evaporate.
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