My business will not be replacing it's hardware. We have 6 machines including a workstation and they will all be working fine in 2025. Only one is windows 11 compatible and that is brand new. We will either move to Linux for 5 machines, keep a few on windows 10 or we could run Windows 11 anyway. There is no way on earth we are wasting money on 5 new machines so if we have to move away from Windows we will.
That's not going to happen because planned obsolescence is Microsoft's business model to keep people from buying their products after a certain period and to make their products profitable.
@@opoxious1592 Steam on Linux has done many beautiful updates and you can actually play most games that are compiled for Windows exclusive via Proton and other technologies
Linux is just not for most everyday users, no matter what the Linux advocates say. Most users do not have this interest and ability to install Linux. In 2030, Windows and Mac will reign supreme. As it does now.
For win10 users, I would recommend staying for 1 more years so windows11 issues are fixed. My brother upgraded to 11 a month back, he faced issues like dual display sometimes no acting as it should and few performance related issues. He used his system for work and his only machine, so he had to reinstall windows10
I will not transition to 11 until software that I need or want is not being written for it. Which if windows 7 is any indication, I still got at least 2 more years. 🙂
Every windows update I've had has been a downgrade with more bugs or changing things set up the way I liked. A decade on Linux and I've been able to do any work related task and with proton can now play almost any game without DRM/anticheat which I choose not to support anyways.
I'll be waiting until I'm convinced that it is at the same standard that 10 is at, then I'll wait until support for 10 actually ceases. the only thing that will change this plan is if some software that I need comes out and it only supports 11.
I jumped to Linux and I've never been happier. Microsoft really screwed over so many PCs with the requirements for Windows 11 and just goes to show that with Windows, you're beholden to the whim of Microsoft to support your computer.
ive got working pcs from 1996 2004 , 2011 , and 2 from 2019 here and one laptop with xp i dont use much but it works all this bloody waste they should be held accountable for it
2 years ago 310 million pcs were bought 1 year ago 343 million pcs were bought so far this year thats also up 1-2% 2021 89 million desktps and 150 million laptops ( 10% increase from the previous year) 19 million ps5s 12 million xbox x/s 2022 sony says 18 million sales
My prediction is that they will extend Win10 support in October 2025 just like they did for Windows XP - twice. Perhaps an extra year. This will be due to Microsoft requiring the purchase of a new computer for more than a third of Windows users. Landfills here they come...
@@davidharvey4059 if only they had made it easier to install all the updates in one fell swoop to Windows 7. It was always such a pain to reinstall and then have to go through countless updates. Hopefully they'll extend Windows 10 support for at least another 6 to 12 months from October 2025, if only for security updates.
I'd love to see a Microsoft survey on what people plan to do - upgrading, not upgrading, and moving to Linux. With all the inbuilt spyware even 10 had, here's to hoping gaming on Linux is less tedious by 2025.
I think you are 100% correct about Linux and gaming. It is tedious and the vast majority of consumers experience it as not very user friendly especially with so many different offerings. Basically they want a OS that is plug and play. Anyway if Linux and gaming became more streamlined I believe a lot more people would migrate to Linux.
Linux is becoming more user friendly, for example with Zorin 16.1 Pro OS. Windows 10 itself is a security liability with their Telemetry. Windows 11 is even worse because it removes your anonymity with TPM 2.0, even if you use TOR Browser. I think by Oct 2025 Linux should be ready for most users, even beginners. Microsoft has destroyed the credibility of proprietary software with Telemetry and TPM 2.0. The real advantage Office had was VBA. VBA is now obsolete with Python able to read Excel files.
@@Cypherdude1 I would like to see Linux have some type of virus / malware protection, there is always somebody out there that has nothing better to do than to try out a new hack and cause havoc.
@@miketumillo7875 i have been seriously thinking of installing Linux Mint Cinnamon but hesitant to do so because I don't know what to expect via the learning curve. What has been your experience so far?
This happened before with XP, then 7, the stable versions that people do not want to upgrade. Microsoft tried to push them and allowed those versions to continue for many more years each time. Security is NOT the reason people finally give up on them. (Few hackers bother to infiltrate old PCs.) The real compelling reason, for most of us ordinary users, is loss of functionality, eg when new versions of really useful application with fancy features do not run any more on old Windows, like Photoshop, like a popular new game with nice graphics, etc. If you do not use such demanding software, you can use old software for ever. You have to use the same old browser, email, etc and lose functionality (new functions that come out) and your browsing gets slower due to increasing use of high amount of data in contents, you miss some super duper new feature on new software apps, ... Eventually, either you give up or your PC dies. Then you upgrade. By that time, you have saved yourself money, lots of hair pulling from bugs in a new OS, re-learning effort as more tutorials and help become available for a new platform, and most likely better/cheaper hardware (than if you just upgrade when Microsoft says so.) The money saved can go towards a better smartphone, which is way more useful, unless you use the PC for your job, as a graphic designer or someone who needs the latest and greatest in the desktop.
Im running Win2008 server stripped down, it's like a nicer version of win7, I couldn't care less about updates, I never have any problems and everything works as it should.
If they do that, Microsoft is not going to profit from Windows. That business model is called planned obsolescence by making older Windows versions obsolete, and people will be forced to buy their new and improved products.
Windows 10 support is already over as far as I'm concerned. I got tired of them changing my settings/removing settings options, so I permanently disabled Windows Update.
How did you do that? I tried disabling the Update service but for some reason it keeps re-enabling itself. Luckily I only go online with a Chromebook now.
Yep .... best do it now while your system is stable. I plan to wait out the gap and see what Win12 brings. Then when something like a hardware problem forces me to update I will either go 12 or head for Linux.
I usually would wary about mandatory updates, "Whats gonna break this time?" that my most common thought every time updates arrives. No more such updates would actually be good for my mental health.
Get Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021, despite being a mouthful it's the version of Windows 10 that will be supported the longest and it doesn't receive any updates other than security patches and finally it's easy to 🏴☠️
Exactly i used to have to worry about blackscreens after uodates and found solution to that, but disabling app readiness causes most updates to not be recieved and sometimes my pc just cant take ut anymore and auto force update, and of course the updates didnt work because app readiness is still disabled. Then i have to enable it, update, disable, restart, and finally get back normal. Without more updates will be less stress
They'll push 10 support way past 2025 when they see that 11 STILL hasn't been widely adopted at that point. At any rate, Linux will be my next 'upgrade' when (and if) Win 10 goes belly up.
I think Windows 10 will likely get (mostly) security updates until 2028. It may not get feature updates, though, with new features no longer being added after 2024.
Start swapping out your windows only programs with ones that will work on both. Then by the time you do change you only have to worry about the OS and not have to learn it and a whole bunch of programs at the same time. It will also help you save money and spot any hiccups with programs you use, before doing the switch. Hopefully giving you time to solve or find another alternitive for the programs.
Exactly,, I do not only hate the idea of a new set of spyware, Win 11 also is integrated in your hardware if you have a newer PC. The TPM and Secure Boot use built in M$ keys to allow them to lock down "your" PC to their Fuckery.
This is how MS gets us all to move to an OS that we don't own and will eventually be run out of the cloud. What purpose is there to buy equipment that only works with Windows but you don't own/have control over your own system?
But this time its allot worse. Before if your win 7 box was running a i7 for example you could upgrade to 10 for free. My 2011 toshiba with i5 with SSD and 8 gigs of ram is my wife's daily driver. She has no issues with it. Now we have much more powerful systems that can't upgrade to 11 because they lack secure boot on the MB. And oems were still selling systems just a few years ago without the TPM 2.0 chip. Even though it was released in 2014. oems still used old stock. If your system does not have it then 11 won't install. In that, this time around will get really ugly for MS. PR nightmare will be insane. Don't worry about windows in the cloud. As much as they would like to, not everyone is connected all the time.
We're SCREWED big time by Microsoft - we have FIVE PCs - and NOT ONE is Win 11 compatible. So definitely appreciated seeing the TPM/CPU registry workaround. Sounds like a reason to move to Apple (=unix) or Linux. All the best, Rob from Switzerland.
my main gaming pc is intel 7th gen (i7-7700k), and i have 3 pcs in my room. one is an old windows xp machine, one is a windows 7 machine, and one is my modern rig
@@pioneer1131 Macbook Pro M1 1TB SSD, 32GB RAM in clamshell mode with Logitech MX3 bluetooth mouse, magic bluetooth keyboard, Philips 42" monitor - Apple hardware is beautiful (but costly). Now I can compare, the network performance does not seem as good as my Windows 10 desktop, but almost everything else is done in a blink. I am even getting used to Apple's UI that is a bit idio(t)syncratic.
The CPU/TPM workaround doesn't work anymore and hasn't for a long time. While you can technically install 11 to unsupported hardware, the second you get a Windows Update that has kernel updates or Microcode changes it'll undo the workaround and you'll be left with an unbootable OS.
When support for Windows 10 ends, we'll have Windows 12, which will be the next good version (with more realistic requirements that don't require us to throw away our computers) ;-)
When Windows 10 becomes end of life, do not put your hardware into landfill to buy new. Recycle it and install Linux like Debian, Ubuntu or another well supported operating system. Microsoft Windows is not the only operating system out there.
@@RobertSalas if you purchase the right older hardware, you can built an older system that last quite a while. I am running Linux on an older server hardware platform. I have a 10 core E5-2640-v4 CPU 128GB of memory and a nice GPU. I run Windows 7, 10 and 11 simultaneously as virtual machines (each with 16GB of RAM and 2 CPU cores). CPU and motherboard are 8 years old.
"What Happens When Windows 10 Support Ends?" Like most Windows 10 users, I will continue to use it. Just because MS wants to sell me a newer OS does not mean I *have* to buy it. Fact is, like millions of other Windows users, I still have a couple of PCs running Windows 7 and they do exactly what I need them to do. There is no way I am buying or using Windows 11. If that's my only choice from MS, I prefer to use Linux Mint. I already dual boot my Windows 7 laptop with Linux Mint and it is quite good.
That's not the problem. If it were just buying the OS I would not have issue. Its the fact that if your system has to have TPM 2.0 chip or secure boot on the mainboard or 11 it won't install. The world will see billions of PC's that will see their W10 support cut off. I would not go online with a W7 box. Its not secure. Better off with Linux. At least that is still supported.
I remember when Windows X came out. Microsoft promised it would be the last operating system we'd ever need. They said they'd just keep updating the OS instead of rolling out new OSes every few years. Promises made, promises broken.
If they do that, Microsoft is not going to profit from Windows. That business model is called planned obsolescence by making older Windows versions obsolete, and people will be forced to buy their new and improved products.
It's a really good question actually. You can still buy a new computer that won't run windows 11. Peoople will have to vote with their money or simply learn to use Linux. Linux, if you use Mint or FX (which even looks like windows) is not as daunting as it seems. True, it means learning an all new operating system, but wasn't there a time we all had to learn how to use Windows?
As a brand new user of Linux, for anyone wanting to try Linux, you can take a USB drive and make a "live environment" in which the Linux OS runs off the USB drive and lets you test it out and see if all your computer components work with it without making any changes to your PC. If you don't like it just shutdown the PC remove the USB drive and restart your computer and nothing will have changed. I've tried about 20 different Linux distros and desktops in the last week and if you want to have an easy go of trying out or switching to Linux i suggest Linux Mint cinnamon version if you liked Windows 7 and Manjaro cinnamon version if you like Windows 10.
That's the biggest problem with Linux for the average user. There's so many versions and the users of each version say that version is the best. Yet, if you install all the versions they still won't do everything Windows will do. Perhaps if Linux creators put their heads together they could come up with a single version that would finally put Windows where it belongs, in the history books.
Agree with Josh. Big announcement windows 10 is the last windows you will ever need. Now windows 11 that forces everyone to upgrade hardware. I am a large fan of windows but Microsoft just dont care
The secure boot on the chipset does make it allot more secure. But unlike windows 10 there will be a billion PC's that run perfectly fine. When 10 came out most of the 7 boxes were getting pretty laggy running older core duo processors or even older chipsets. Allot of those machines were end of life on the HW end. Today with we have 10 years of i5 and i7 processors running perfectly fine on 10. So when MS ends life on windows 10 they will literally tell a billion users that their perfectly fine PC's that run very fast and are still very productive that they will need to shell out for a new system. Can you imagine the backlash? It will get ugly. I mean very ugly. The PR will be so bad I can see them extending 10 for at least two more years.
I personally think they should have sticked to updating win 10 forever. It would be a better variant and more pcs would be able to recieve support. They could also remove the 10 so it would be only Windows.
That wouldn't really be possible and it would be confusing to a lot of people. How do you explain someone their Windows 10 version isn't supported anymore and the computer is too old to run newer versions? Average people have no idea what 2004, 20H2, 21H1, 21H2 etc. mean, they only know their computer has Windows 10. If Microsoft kept updating Windows 10 forever they'd have to change the system requirements as time goes. They have already dropped support for Clover Trail based CPUs back in 2017 on 1703 and in the near future they would have dropped support for 32-bit CPUs (for example Yonah) and 64-bit systems with 32-bit EFI (Bay Trail). I'd say the current Windows 10 system requirements are already too low for the newer versions. 1GHz single core CPU (some of the oldest supported being Dothan based Pentium M's from 2004), 1GB RAM, DirectX9 compatible graphics card and 32GB storage which isn't even enough to install updates if you have anything saved on the drive. Though in my opinion the official system requirements for Windows 11 are too high but at least there shouldn't be any need to drop support for any officially supported hardware during Win11 lifespan which I'm guessing is up to 2032 (Windows 12 probably being released in around 2026).
Lol you guys are so innocent, Microsoft wants to sell hardware and make money with Windows 11 which is just a Windows 10 with new UI, of course the Normies will fall for it since they don't even question nothing, just want the latest version and that's it
Will probably do the same as they did for 7. I just free upgraded one of my old Systems from 7 to 10 free of charge and support stopped 2 years ago, but was still getting a 7 update or so from time to time. That unit will not go to 11 because the hardware just is not there for 11. Being running 11 since Nov on 2 Systems. Getting used to it, but 7 was King of all OS's I used and I have been using Computers since the 70's. XP was a good 2nd place.
I have used all since XP and for me the best Windows OS is 10 but I really liked 8/8.1 also......Years ago when I was getting ready to go to 8 everybody at work said no stay with 7 and I told them if they want to stay in the past go for it but I'm moving onward......And after I went to 8 I soon realized it was way better than 7 ever thought it could be.
The computer manufacturers do not want users to continue using their current equipment. Even though it is working fine. They need them to scrap the equipment and buy new to keep their business's going. And Microsoft, with their threat of no more security updates is a way to force this change. Makes you wonder if they are working together.
Except they know that the threat of security updates doesn't work, as they saw with XP and a huge portion of computers continuing the run the OS even after the already-extended EoL date. If anything, that EoL backfired on Microsoft, since the went back 2 years later and gave XP another patch to avoid the bad publicity. And this is even worse than the XP situation because there's no real incompatibilities with W10 devices running W11. It's just arbitrary restrictions trying to force you to get a new computer. XP died not because Microsoft refused to give security updates, but because people simply upgraded their outdated PCs. If you tear off the TPM and CPU whitelist, Windows 11 has IDENTICAL requirements compared to Windows 10. When the time comes, they're going to either remove the whitelist or they'll end up dealing with the bad publicity that comes with your OS getting viruses. And they aren't going to get the gradual decline the way they did with XP, since the difference with 2015 vs 2025 hardware is nothing compared to 2001 vs 2014 hardware.
Linux desktop is quite usable right now, unless you have nVidia. I think by that time Windows 10 is abandoned, Linux desktop would work even with nVidia and Wayland issues would have been fixed, so maybe people should move to Linux... unless they have to use some very selected applications like Adobe. In my case, other than Visual Studio, all the apps I use are either available in Linux (FireFox, LibreOffice, Blender, Krita, Android Studio, VS Code, etc) or there are similar or better alternatives on Linux.
For the nvidia issue, I know pop os has a version just for nvidia users and Linux Mint Cinnamon edition has notes on how to get Nvidia working. I've used both in that regard. Admitedly nearly 3 years ago for Pop and about a year and a half ago for MInt. I"m using AMD now when I upgraded so much easier :-) As for Adobe no luck there. Depending on your needs with them are , the alternitives like Gimp and Inkscape, Davinci Resolve may cover your needs, unless maybe if you are a power user of the adobe products or rely on a trick that only Adobe does. It can be annoying to learn new programs, but think of it this way. If you can learn the alternitives that work on windows too, now, then when the time comes that you want to or have to switch over to linux. Do it while you have the time, then you will only have to deal with the learning curve of the OS and not all the programs you will need to use then at the same time.
Thanks for the update Brian, I think I'll stay with Windows 10 until the security updates end then I'll have a bash at trying to install Zorin or Mint.
@@johnbowles4754 No problem at all. Stick with it, you'll love it. No need for anti-virus/malware, it's all open source stuff which means the operating system and all the upgrades are totally free, and there is tons of stuff for beginners to study and learn from. Best of all, your computer WILL RUN FASTER
Since many of the security updates for Windows 11 are the same as Windows 10, there may still be some security updates. Windows Defender seems to be treated as a separate app so it could get updated. Although exactly what will happen won't really be known until the end date.
To a certain extent, there is commonality with Windows 10 and 11. But, Microsoft will apparently abandon Windows 10 come October 2025. This is their right, as they cannot be expected to support legacy OSes indefinitely. Like Windows 7 and XP. It has to end eventually.
2025 is a long way off when it comes to computers and operating systems. It is hard to tell what will be available then in terms of hardware and operating systems. I will NOT upgrade to W11 until I absolutely have too. My biggest gripe with these versions of Windows is that each time a new version is released, Microsoft takes away features and control away from the user. I don't like this approach. Will see what happens when 2025 comes.
Question: When Microsoft finally ends support for an Operating System, do anti-virus companies still offer support thus continuing to give some degree of protection?
With major upgrades like from 10 to 11, most third party apps like current Symantec won't be compatible. It's the responsibility of the third party vendors to publish compatible Revisions. However older Office and other Microsoft products could still be run in (older) Compatibility Mode
What a load of crap. Apart from the statement that updates of any type will stop the rest is absolute drivel. Windows 10 like Windows 11 no doubt is nothing more than a tarted up front end sitting on more or less what was developed in the XP/NT era. I did upgrade to Windows 10 until I realised just how bad it was still after how many yrars, so dropped back to Windows 7 and guess what...not a single piece of software I used on 10 is incompatible with 7 and while everything under the hood of 11 is still the same then unless you are a gamer then I really wouldn't worry. Why make the point about gamers...because I don't know anything about installing the latest DirectX on earlier versions of Windows. I expect it's possible, but I don't worry because that's what a console is for. Don't be fooled by Linux, it's not ready yet. You want to do basic stuff then it's ideal, but any modern version of Windows (well not 8) is always a far better option for all round computing.
Already started the transition to linux. Installed mint on an old laptop & it has come a long way. I really like it. When the day finally comes that MS stop supporting win 10 then my main PC will be linux most definitely.
Yup, i just did the same thing. Hopefully with the SteamDeck out now, Valve can work on SteamOS and get the Proton layer to work as close to 100% with games as it can so i can finally ditch Windows for good.
@@Evilatem Gaming compatibility is the only thing stopping me from making the switch 100% currently. As you said, Hopefully that will be sorted in the next 2-3 years. I don't use much adobe products so that doesn't really effect me. Only way I will be stuck with windows is work. We use office, outlook, skype, teams etc. & they are all integrated so we are locked into the Microsoft ecosystem.
I remember I was so hyped up when about 8~9 years ago I heard of how windows 10 would be the last version of windows. When it's launched, I started to buy it for many of my older computers. I even promoted it to my friends and explained to them why they should buy windows 10. Now aside of I have to say sorry to them that have unsupported device for windows 11, I promise I will help them to crack their windows 11 installation on their unsupported devices.
I think that in the end Mcrsft will flex a bit. On the other hand, there always be a work-around for installing W11 on "unsupported hardware" as there is right now.
With the forced updated in Windows 10, I wouldn't be surprised if MS pushed out some "update" at the last moment that disabled some functionality in Win10, supposedly for the safety of the users, but really to push people into switching to Win11. Personally, I hate what Windows has become. Don't get me wrong, I never thought Windows was an especially great OS, but at least it let you do what YOU wanted. Now, MS virtually owns your system and can make any changes they want to it. You can't even create your own directories on most of the C drive because Windows won't let you. I don't have Windows 10 myself, but my friend does and he's always running into things it won't let him do.
I have been running nearly every Windows release since Windows 3.0. I see the same deal with each new release cycle. Eventually if you do not move up to the new release over time things start breaking, new software and/or new hardware will not be compatible. Even if the old release is still supported by MS. Sometimes you can get away with skipping a release if there is enough public pushback. Like with ME and Vista. But, eventually if you want to run Windows you will have to upgrade just to maintain what you already have. I think that the path MS is on now is to target the masses. Windows will probably always work great for your parents. But if you are a power user I think running Windows is going to become untenable. Currently I am not a Linux desktop user. But, as I see the way things are going I will be in a few years.
@@smitty9398 I remember windows 7 ran like crap in the final years. The updates was broken and was brutal to install updates. Don't know why anyone would want it. IN the case of W7 MS broke it. I'd say some of that was by intent. Because it used to run like butter. I don't think ME was ever intended to be their Main OS. It was a temporary product to fill the gap since XP was not quite ready. I think MS even knew it was a POS product. But it was new. And many (including myself) bought a ME system. I end of lifed that junk in less then two years. Could not run 98se on it very well and it was not powerful enough for XP. win 11 will bring some bad PR when MS tells a billion people that they have to scrap their PC's.
Nice to see you have added the different Linux options for everyone at the end. It should be the OS that everyone should give try without installing . Get the feel for it and then you are away and no going back as far as I'm concerned.
@@rosswarren436 PC gaming is not forbidden and not devil stuff, but an exciting thing that is a lot of fun :-) a lot of experts here on RU-vid say that if you are passionate about gaming on your PC, then you should not use Linux or MAC OS but Windows for many reasons It's not a bad idea to use exactly the operating system that you can do the most with and that is best suited for what you want to do on the PC, for some it's Windows, for others it's MAC OS and for completely others it's Linux ... and an operating system is just only the framework, no more and no less, the most important thing is the programs and what you do with them and with your PC, everything else is rather secondary and only a means for the purpose ... unless some people turn it into a question of believe, but "believing" has nothing to do with "knowing" and yes, on the other hand, for the majority of the "normal" PC users "something with Linux" is exactly the completely sufficient alternative in case their PCs are not suitable for Win11, but most of them don't know that because they know nothing about Linux and they are not interested in it and they don`t watch videos like this, most of them will throw away their old PC and buy a new one with Win11 in the electronic supermarket and have solved the problem in this way ... and if you were to ask them about it, they would only blame Microsoft, as always, when something doesn't work with Windows PCs, instead of looking at their own noses ... some IT professionals say, not without reason, that in most cases the problem is not in the PC but in front of it ;-)
@@MrJueKa that's what I mean. Not that there are "too many" of them, but that they aren't going to move to another platform until the day it supports all the games they want to run with optimized drivers for all their esoteric video cards. More power to them, but that is their choice to make with their $$$. The rest of us wanting to do productivity tasks for the most part can run Linux, at least now that many apps are cloud based.
@@rosswarren436 Sorry, but you wrote "too many" in your first comment ;-) ok, I know what you`re trying to say. Very few gamers really use graphics cards that could be described as "esotheric", whatever that should mean, and which are not "$$$" in any case, i.e. very expensive, ok, regardless of the real price developments on the market, but you don't have to spend a fortune to get effective graphics cards. Many PC users who like to play games are also productive on the PC, one aspect does not necessarily exclude the other aspect. I also like to play games, but I also edit photos and videos or do official correspondence, for instance, all of this for me, my daughter and my friends, who are not that familiar with it, and so on ... just as life requires or as I want to. I have two PCs, a modern "gaming" PC and an a bit elder "office" PC, both powerful in their respective job, the "office" PC even without a graphics card, but even this "office" PC is also absolutely suitable for a lot of certain games, so it doesn't always have to be only "esotheric". The "gaming" PC will probably run under some new Windows at some point, maybe Win11, the "office" PC I will have to convert to "something with Linux" in 2025 at the latest, but probably much earlier because I'm curious about Linux and that could be very exciting. Maybe the "gaming" PC will also get Linux, when Linux will finally be so far that I can play all games, even the modern Triple-A games on it without tinkering in the system and any makeshifts that I can do without because gaming is much easier with Windows.
5:21 i agree. as a linux noob, pop os is the nearest thing to windows among the linux distros. i've been distro hopping on a spare laptop since last year so i can migrate from windows to linux and i always come back to pop os cause its easier to use specially if use gnome tweaks and extensions that make the desktop environment almost similar to windows. there will be a learning curve tho. and some driver issues. broadcom wifi driver is nasty. either buy a a wifi dongle or go lan. its just that hopeless to install. im looking forward to the nvidia drivers coming out for linux after they went open source.
Remember Windows 7 - you had the option to refuse updates, then Windows 10 where you could defer updates, now we have Windows 11 where fairly new PCs are designated unsuitable. How much control do Microsoft want, Welcome to big brother!
Likely programs will support Windows 10 for long after the end-of-life. I mean, many programs still work under Windows 7 (and a couple programs like VLC, still support the ancient OS that is Windows XP)
I can't believe this back in 2021, I just press upgrade for Windows 11, and I remember that Windows 10 will ended in October 2025 next year!! That is a huge problem with between Windows 10 and Windows 11, can't believe that Microsoft did this to us!!
I knew that Microsoft is the one who did this to me by forcing to upgrade Windows 11 in October 2021! Well, I hate to say this but.. Microsoft is the one who did this to me back in October 2021 last year. I am not joking, it actually did this to me and my mother's.
Microsoft, if you're seeing this, thanks for lots for forcing people's upgrade for Windows 11 including me and my mother's! And thanks for lots for possessing me for becoming mail hacker back in 2020-2024 including my mother's, and I got involved and dragged over into a drama. Now thanks to you Microsoft, this is your fault for doing this to me and my mother's.
I'm still running Windows 7 Home on one of my older PCs. I don't really need it for anything else other than what it's used for right now. I have a Windows 10 system for gaming and took your tutorial to block the Windows 11 update/"upgrade".
I'll consider upgrading to Windows 11 once all of my current installed software's from various different vendors are fully functional for Windows 11. I run many different drivers from Korg, Roland, Arturia, and other software's from Ableton Live etc and many VST plugins. Not a chance I'm messing all of these up until they are all fully compatible.
@@WayneM1961 Yeah mate, I have a studio full of synths samplers drum machines etc. It wasn't easy getting some of them to communicate with their various drivers that I installed into Windows 10 Pro. Don't really fancy tackling it in Windows 11 Pro if they aren't fully compatible.
Honestly, I am not even worried about end of support date for Windows 10. It's still a full three years away, and Windows 12 should be out by then. Windows 11 is just an lifeless OS, with a bit of eye candy.
I don't regret switching to the Mac over a decade ago now. Windows XP was the last OS I used full time for personal use other than using PC's for work. As bad as the Mac has gotten with updates being forced the last several years it doesn't even come close to the Microsoft forced updates in Windows 10 and 11 now.
Microsoft has made their Windows 11 policies to ensure compatibility, stability and security for the newer systems from _2017_ and onwards. Only the gormless would want to use a 2016 PC come 2025. Microsoft’s motivations is certainly not all cynical, to in increase their profits. Apple certainly mandates minimum hardware require many for their Macs, iPhones and iPads.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b Accept there will hundreds of millions of very powerful systems that 11 won't install on. Back when windows 10 came out most of the windows 7 boxes were nearing end of life because of the older core duo processors. They were already starting to lag allot with the newer applications/softwares. Most system builders have very fast rigs that are constantly upgraded. Allot of those machnes won't run 11 either. I mean there will be tons of machines with 16GB of ram with fast i7 processors and GPU's that won't accept 11. So in that, it will be a mess for MS when they kill windows 10. I mean they will take perfectly functioning machines that give their users a high level of productivity and then bam, end of life from MS. The PR nightmare will be unlike anything MS has ever faced. Things will get ugly. Business users won't be very happy either. My hospital barely got on windows 10 last year. Many issues with legacy software. Not sure they will be thrilled to have to replace thousands of PC's. Most of those boxes won't accept 11. Things will get so ugly that MS will have to extend support. AT least two more years IMO.
@@HiPlains1 Microsoft cannot be expected to support older CPUs _ad infinitum_ for decades on end. It is Microsoft’s view that these CPUs from 2016 and older do not have the modern features to run Windows 11 is a sound, secure and stable manner. There comes a point where Microsoft has to draw the proverbial line in the sand and declare these CPUs are too old for their latest and future versions of Windows. It is no different with how Apple and Google mandate definite minimum hardware requirements for their Macs and mobile devices. Sure, Microsoft may have to extend support for Windows 10 to 2026 or 2027, in order to give certain organisations more time to sort out their affairs. But, the fundamental realities do not change. The extension deadline will still come to pass. It does not matter if the IT asset in question is a desktop, laptop, phone or tablet: organisations and their managers have to realise that their hardware is just not forever. Organisations have to effect real and active device renewal strategies to ensure that their systems will remain relevant, viable and operational for the next 5 to 10 years.
You can use the older versions of the O/S but if you have to do a re-install you will not be able to activate the O/S; have this problem with XP and 7.
Windows 11 needs lots of fixes, like change the task bar size with one click, the default its big and looks ugly on a 14 inch laptop, 1/4 of the screen , pin to the taskbar items with one click like This PC, control panel, and many more. Shouldn't be easier with a new version , its worse for crying out loud
Windows 10 is what my whole school uses and the laptops don't even come close to support even there new 2023 laptops are barely an upgrade, and so my school is doomed, because I will still be in school.
I'll be sticking with Windows 8.1 for as long as possible. I've had it for the past 8 years and love it. No issues whatsoever. I'll skip Windows 10 entirely and go to Windows 11, if and when Windows 8.1 becomes an issue for me.
i think they stopped support this year and you got until like the end of the year before games, and certain out lets are unable to play on it anymore, this computer of mine will be disconnecting from the internet before that time comes and i will be using a new PC, old PC will then become more of an entertainment offline system
Yes, I still have one computer that has a Windows XP operating system. Apparently, it is so old that no hackers attempt to hack this version. What a bummer. The system was so old that eventually several browsers would not operate, but instead would simply say that your version is out dated. But as time went on, those browsers no longer gave such messages because they became outdated messages, and so the browsers worked just fine.
It depends on which website you are browsing. Over time, an increasing number of websites will not work as the browser is out of date. Only a fool would browse the Internet with Windows XP.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b When my other computer ran into problems, the sneaky little XP saved my day. It could go where my other up to date comuters operating systems could not.
Thanx for the video. I ran Win 7 for about 18 months after support finished but what pushed me eventually to Win 10 was lack of updates for Office 365. If my existing 10 year old PC dies before October 2025 then I'll go to Win 11 but if not I'll stick to Win 10 or the Win 11 version I'm using now assuming M$ keeps doing security updates for non supported systems. Then again if M$ was to port Office 365 to Linux I'd go there full time
Depending on your needs with office is, I use Open Office or Office Libre. They are opensource and work both on Linux and Windows. I haven't touched office in well over 15 years, unless you count a few times I accedently had it open in it on a pc that had both, when trying to read something. Also if I remember correctly I think you can now use Office in a web browser. Just remember that like all new hardware and software there is a learning curve. Too many make the mistake of thinking that if a product looks like another one, it is and will function exactly the same. They don't. But in this case, it doesn't mean the end result of your work can't be used by it. You may just have to remember to save it in the format you want to use it it. And that is only one click extra when saving.
Good point. Windows 7 was superseded by Windows 8 in 2012, but support for Windows 7 was not ended until 2020, a full 8 years later. Same thing might happen with Windows 10. Depends on how many older Win 11 incompatible computers are still running in 2025 and later years.
Note: you can do an upgrade from the ISO, no need to connect to the Internet. just mount (double-clicking does the trick) the ISO and running "setup.exe"
Do we know for sure that there won't ever be some sort of "deactivation code" sent, that will disable customization, Windows Defender, or some other functionality, at some time after the official EOL? (to convince people to migrate) I might need to investigate Windows Defender for my old machine. I recently moved my hard drives to a new machine, but I want to keep the old one running, as well. I noticed that Defender has a lot more firewall customization now. I've been meaning to check it out, for a while. It looks like you can set it up to block EVERYTHING, then create rules to let things through. I plan to have the old machine network accessible to my new machine, and I probably won't even do any browsing with it. If Win10 can be kept running, maybe I'll keep it that way for as long as I can.
Hello @Britec09 ! Thank you for the informative video! If my PC doesn’t have the TPM chip, can I still install Windows 11? How do I bypass the TPM requirement?
Yes you can. Just download the Win 11 ISO in Microsoft page and use Rufus and select unsupported system option. And thats is you can now upgrade. But sadly some apps wont work. Because they also require tpm and sb.
Being force to updated a pc is garbage. They can stop updates, and creating new software for it, but to end browser support is crap I tried Linex and it doesn't even play the games or run the software that I use.
It seems to me as long as the browser is supported on the OS this mitigates risk significantly. I have some XP and 7 machines that were isolated from the network and they never had any malware issues. Linux can be hit or miss on older hardware, I have some old nvidia gpus that don’t work well on new distributions.
Nvidia doesn't play nicely. There is some hope with the newer cards. As Nividia has at last started to partly open source some of it's dirvers. But time will till if it will be of any help. That is why most people if they are going to buy new they go amd for the graphics. Depending on how old the nvidia stuff is there are some things you can do to get them working. Linux mint cinammon edition even shows you how to get it working. Pop OS even has a version of the OS for Nividia users.
@@dappermuis5002 We are talking Fermi series for the older systems I have. I have to do a lot of work to get them to even barley function and just isn’t really worth it for the time it takes and then updates come out which further break it. I haven’t tried pop OS however.
@@valtorswife It never liked me since day one and was forced to use it for 9 months till Linux was friendly enough for me with little computer skills to use it. But it was 9 months of hell. I still have to use it for work. thankfully all I really do on the darn thing there is issue an invoice and answer e-mails. And it still gives me grief. Have to keep the task manager open permantly on the task bar to 'fix' issues. My main computer that I work on I have Linux Mint cinnamon edition on it.
@@dappermuis5002 I’m thinking of using Linux mint xfce on a vm on my trashy celeron w10 laptop since I can’t change the settings in my laptop’s UEFI because I don’t know anything about changing settings there or the button for that but is it great for beginners/those who have little knowledge about commands (user-friendly)?
Since Windows 11 was released last year, Microsoft has not added any major new features to Windows 10 anymore and the feature updates are now only once a year to align with Windows 11
I remember towards the end how badly win 7 ran. Slower and Slower and the updates were brutal to install. I can see MS doing something like that to encourage folks to shell out for new PC's. Nothing will motivate a user to buy another PC then one that runs slow.
so i have a friend with a windows 8 laptop. he was asking me for advice about updates. i told him 8 is not supported anymore. however. after 16 hours it finished 270 updates. that got me thinking about what will happen when win10 looses support. if microsoft still has the function to update an old windows 8 system to the latest 8.1 build that means that long after 2025 people should still be able to update thier windows 10 system to the latest or last version of 10. obviously you wont have those security updates that came after 2025 but you could at least get the last version with all its updates. i just found this interesting. it means that microsoft still has all the updates for windows 8/8.1 somewhere on a server and a service in place allowing people with old versions of windows to update their system.
Most of my computers, except for one, don't support 11, but I'm not too worried. About 3 months ago, I was given 2 older laptops running Windows 8 that I promptly installed Different distros of Linux on, so I could teach myself the ins and outs of it with nothing to lose, and while I still have a lot to learn about using them at the command line level, the GUI is pretty simple for anyone who has used any modern Windows PC, or MAC OS.
I will stay with windows 10, since its still a pretty good os; a lot people are still using earlier versions of windows without installing updates. And I will be using third party security, since windows defender won't be around in 2025 for win 10 .
My choice is to wait at least 2 years before upgrading to 11, at least then, Hopefully, any issues with 11 will be fixed. Thanks for all your very useful posts 👍
Considering that Microsoft still release security updates for Windows 7 every few days, I wouldn't worry about support for Windows 10 ending anytime soon!
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b But any machine that shipped with 7 is probably too slow to run a modern OS. Those things were running core duo processors or older. That is why most did not fuss too much about 10. And for those that felt their older 7 boxes were up to the task they could go to 10. Now we have seriously fast i7 systems with 16 GB of ram, SSD drives, with fast GPU's that won't install 11. That is, MS expects over a billion users to throw out PC's that run very fast and have been providing a high level of productivity. So in that, people will not share your thoughts about secure boot etc.. All they know is MS will tell them to throw out their PC because windows 10 support will end and their box lacks the secure boot chip. The PR will be so bad that MS will have to extend support.
@@HiPlains1 Microsoft cannot be expected to support older CPUs _ad infinitum_ for decades on end. It is Microsoft’s view that these CPUs from 2016 and older do not have the modern features to run Windows 11 is a sound, secure and stable manner. There comes a point where Microsoft has to draw the proverbial line in the sand and declare these CPUs are too old for their latest and future versions of Windows. It is no different with how Apple and Google mandate definite minimum hardware requirements for their Macs and mobile devices. Sure, Microsoft may have to extend support for Windows 10 to 2026 or 2027, in order to give certain organisations more time to sort out their affairs. But, the fundamental realities do not change. The extension deadline will still come to pass. It does not matter if the IT asset in question is a desktop, laptop, phone or tablet: organisations and their managers have to realise that their hardware is just not forever. Organisations have to effect real and active device renewal strategies to ensure that their systems will remain relevant, viable and operational for the next 5 to 10 years.
@@HiPlains1 Users and organisations have to get bloody real: Microsoft, Apple and Google are businesses, where corporate profit is paramount. As a consequence, these corporate decisions with OS EOL will ultimately reflect these fiscal realities. If users and organisations cannot accept these business fundamentals, then they need to pursue other IT solutions elsewhere.
@@user-kc1tf7zm3b Windows 11 runs fine on older HW right now. It did in beta. It's the secure boot requirement on the mainboard. Get it straight man. Your argument made sense in the days of core duo processors that literally would drop frames trying to play a 1080P YT. After I5/I7 tech from sandybridge the HW mostly keep up with the SW. That is the only reason they are doing it. Hundreds of millions will have no sweat operating 11. But if you don't have TPM 2.0, support for Secure Boot then its a no go. System requirements are not allot. Only reason you need 7th gen intel is because that is when TPM 2.0, support for Secure Boot started. Not saying its a bad thing long term but there will be hell to pay when they orphan hundreds of millions of PC's. And if you don't believe me come back and we will continue this discussion in 2025.
Windows 11 should be illegal. People dont want a Microsoft account, and they want to be able to work offline if they have to. Microsoft is a monopoly that needs to be broken up, Linux and Mac are not realistic alternatives for most people and businesses
With Kubuntu (and all the other versions with Ubuntu in their name), potential users should be aware that they make 2 types of releases: the experimental ones, which are only supported for 6 months, and the LTS (Long Term Support) ones, which are supported for 5 years. Someone looking to keep their PC going with linux will obviously want an LTS release. I have been using Kubuntu 18.04 (the version is the release date, in this case April 2018) for 4 years now and am quite satisfied. LTS releases come out every 2 years: 18.04, 20.04 and the new one is 22.04. I assume there will be another LTS release in April 2024, which is what you'd want if you're converting a PC at the last minute.
I don't know if MS will stop security updates for Windows 10. Hell, I just set up a Windows 7 system for using specific software I have and it spent hours doing updates.
Everyone is talking about moving to Linux like it's this wonderful alternative. I think Microsoft is planning to eventually base a version of Windows on Linux to save development costs on Windows. They make all their money on the cloud now, they don't really care if you are on Windows or Linux... the "switch to Linux" threat isn't the threat it used to be. That will suck for me because I don't want Linux, but it seems like everything is going that way whether I want it or not. Android is Linux, SteamOS is Linux, Chromebook is pretty much Linux too... and there's already a Linux offering on Azure. So what if I want more variety in operating systems than just a choice between Linux distros all based on the same kernel? Is that not going to be allowed in the future?
I use Linux with Dual boot, I mainly use windows for games lol, all my important College/work files are in my Linux drive. Still a long way till gaming on Linux gets a massive upgrade.
Nothing will happen as your pc will still work fine. I've got a Windows 7 machine which is over 10 years old. Since I got the pc, Windows installed just 1 update and it decided to install it while I was running a dungeon in an MMORPG. Windows updater just killed my game, installed it's update and rebooted my pc, all without even asking if it was convenient. Needless to say, that dungeon run was wasted. Since that day, I've disabled all updates and it still runs fine without any further updates for over 10 years. So nothing major will happen if you keep running windows without further updates.
It might have been worth mentioning, as many Windows users are probably unaware, that Linux is completely free and generally comes with a range of free open source software. All the varieties mentioned in the video and more can be tried out quite easily on a usb stick so you can decide which, if any, might be useful for you. This is exactly what I have been doing for the past few weeks, since I will soon have to get a new PC (it's nine years old) and/or install a less demanding OS.
