Thanks for Watching! 6 Year Long Term Review Video of my WRX: • 6 Year Long Term Revie... Follow me on Instagram: / projectwrx15 0:00 Intro 0:32 Dislike #1 1:27 Dislike #2 4:45 Dislike #3 8:59 Honorable Mentions
Highly recommend as a fellow R owner to purchase the Perrin rear engine mount insert. It gives the overall sturdiness of a hasport mount but is much more compliant for everyday use. Eliminates wheel hop completely. One of my favourite small mods that I’ve done that made a big difference!
In +R mode auto rev match works at any rpm (even under 2k). As you said that quirk is only present in comfort and sport. There’s reasons for that tho as silly as it may seem. Great video! Enjoy your new type r! Best car I’ve ever had by far.
Thank you for bringing these up, definitely informative (especially the rev-match which I wanted, but didn't know it had these parameters). I've been seriously considering this car next and was hoping to hear some real ownership experiences from real drivers. Most of the adver... "reviews" won't touch on the points you brought up, so appreciate it!
I love videos like these. This was pretty much the dream Honda as person who owned one Honda when it came out and never thought I could afford it. Now I own two and I’m really excited to own 3 next week after I pick up my 2021 fk8, but I like seeing the common problems/complaints
Thanks for posting your thoughts. I'm in the market right now and have more or less settled on the Type R since the Evo and Focus RS are long gone now sadly. Still don't get why Honda dropped the leather steering wheel.
I like your videos. Great approach. Have a 2020 CTR and you should just get used to cruising either around or right above 2K. This is typical of Honda 4-bangers-they like to be revved and you’re always primed for better response to your throttle input. Happy ownership to you and look forward to more vids.
The wheel setup Honda put on this car was based on performance around a road course, and eliminating torque steer on a 300+ hp fwd car. I can relate to the lack of lumbar support on my CTR.
I have a 2018 Type-R and I agree with the customization on "driving modes". As far as rev match, I have become use to how it works in different drive modes, it was a little bit of a learning curve at first. I wish the car came with 19s and a little bit more rubber. I have not bent a wheel yet, but I am very paranoid. I am excited for the upcoming "Z".
dude have you ever gone over an old railroad track on the road, and it feels and sounds like your car hits the ground, i get so paranoid. also had to replace one of the tires within the first 3 months cuz of a pothole i drove over.
Do you like the 370 better I don’t know if I should get a type r I have a 370 right now I just want the low end tork of the type r with the turbo sound
The simple answer to the problem is that it doesn’t need to rev matching to down shift when you only at 2k. It won’t have problems, unless you may want to try from 6th to 1st gear directly.
Exactly, anyone who downshifts when BELOW 2000 doesn’t know what they’re doing. You already waited too long. Never should get that low. Down shift sooner and engine brake to slow down or coast
@@LifebyDesign You do realize people can be hardcore motorsports enthusiasts and extremely knowledgable without knowing every single minute detail right?
Having owned my FK8 for two years and having done a fair few track days you make a good point on the three modes not being interchangeable enough. I find the heavy steering annoying in type R mode especially if you have the driving aids turned off. The car is more lively and I prefer a lighter steering to aid correction. As for rev match it doesn't need to work below 2k as your rpm differences are in 100's not the 1000's. I agree with the steering wheel as well. Its great for grip and feel but will not wear well at all. On the subject of the exhaust I think its silent for a reason. Every aftermarket exhaust sounds too raspy for my liking. They make the car sound like a small 2 door cheap hot hatch. Good honest review though. Get some more seat time and enjoy.
Where in Ohio are you? Which group do you autox with? I have a 2020 SI and I stay in normal mode on track. Feels more nimble on tight corners. I ran Sport mode on Mid Ohio and felt better on high speed corners.
Good video, and I appreciate your input given what you currently and have owned. After driving the Type R I think it's a great car but flawed. Agree on mode customisation. Hard agree on 20" wheels (what we're they thinking?) Alcantara steering wheel? I used driving gloves to prevent that on a car I had with the same.soldbthe car with the wheel like new. The only other things I think compromise the car are. 1. Waffle / fake venting 2. IKEA basic rear seats 3. No rear venting / power... I could see it either driving me crazy after a while or one just overlooking its shortcomings.
I am torn between WRX manual premium and this. Compare between WRX and Type R, Could you please comment on the feeling while shifting ? Assuming this is daily commute causal driving, upshift downshift (no auto-rev-match), which one feels less notchy and clear? And is the difference significant? Also could you please comment on the clutch (hard/soft) and how difficult to heel/toe? Thank you.
Fellow Buckeye here. Love your videos. I was wondering if you could provide some information about your wheels and tires? I picked up my 2021 Type R about a month and a half ago and just surpassed 1000 miles today. I love it and the stock wheels and tires are great. However, they won't be a good mix with northeast Ohio winters. I traded in a 2019 Si and my winter wheels and tires for the Si are not compatible due to the bolt pattern so I'm trying to find out about alternatives that will ride nice and be good for all season use. Much appreciated if you feel compelled to respond.
I'm liking this vid so far. Thx for making it. But for now I am glad that you talked about the comfort mode and I don't think I would dislike the idea of pushing more the pedal when crusing because I would make less mistakes when shifting and my passenger's head would stay more relaxed
Very well done. Appreciate the honesty here. Former 370z owner here an can attest the rev match feature is the best in the business. My two main gripes with the CTR is its looks (mainly the two blocks of solid plastic at each bumpers' corner where Honda updated it by doing a comb over with a random sliver of body color going through it). Second is the exhaust. Sounds like a vacuum in stock guise. Other than that, it rivals the Integra Type R as the greatest driving fwd cars ever
Thanks a lot for sharing your genuine opinions on this car! I am considering to buy this car but my main concern is about whether or not it is suitable for driving in a country which snows for at least 4-5 months throughout the year, especially, every time when you change the gear, maybe your palm just feels freezing? Does it bother you sometimes?
I respectfully disagree with your comments about the rev matching. When you're under 2k rpm, there really isn't a need for it. At that RPM, the car is very docile, a sequential downshift is about 300 rpm, you can do it without rev matching and barely feel anything. The rev matching above 2k rpm works perfectly, and if you're driving at a more "spirited" pace it's absolutely spot on. I didn't think I'd like a car with auto rev match, now I think it's one of the best features. As with any car, there are things that you'd do differently to suit your own preferences, but as a total package the Type R is very well thought out. Don't like the exhaust? Drive it with an aftermarket exhaust and the thrill will wear off in 10 minutes (see the amount of used exhausts in the classifieds) Compared to Veloster N? Are you kidding? Build quality and long term ownership issues serve Honda over Hyundai hands down. It's not even close folks. Style wise, I had a hard time getting over the rear end and wing... I finally bought one, then I drove it. If you like to drive... it doesn't matter, (you can't see the wing from the drivers seat) and it drives better than anything south of $100K and better than some north of $100K. They're THAT good. I can buy about any car I want, but for a DD that handles the road, AND trips to the hardware store, it's just about the perfect car. And in my neck of the woods, I never see another one. That's nice!
@@layne4376 You do know that Honda has addressed all of those issues for the 2020-2021 Type R right? With 20 percent better cooling, better brakes, and also fixing the second gear grind. As for the thin paint you can easily just get a decent ceramic coating on it that’ll protect the paint if you’re so worried about the thin paint.
@@layne4376 Do YOU have those issues on your Type R? I'm speaking of first hand experience with mine. I can't say anything about the paint... I haven't experienced any issues, I run it thru the car wash occasionally and it stays on. LOL! I have not experience any 2nd gear grind (mine is a '20), I will say there is definitely a rhythm or pace for the 1-2 shift, you can shift quickly but you can't rush it, if that makes any sense. Never an issue downshifting to 2nd. I've never had an issue with heat, but you are correct that some do. I do think that there's probably something to do with what kind of track layout and ambient temperature that would have lots to do with that issue, but it can be addressed. After all it is a street car, and there are limitations to what the manufacturer can do and still keep the pricing in line with the market. I'm sure the vast majority of owners (like me) do NOT track their car, nor plan to. If I did, then I'd expect to address some shortcomings as I would with any other street car that I wanted to run at the track. But it DID manage to stay cool enough to set a record at the Nurburgring! ;-) Lastly, I can be obtuse about many things, but you are off base about your assumptions on my "obtuseness" and my financial status. I don't have car payments. That is not a boast, that is the product of many years of hard work and saving my money to get to a point of financial independence. I do not stack up my monthly payments to match my monthly income. I do however look at things like cost of ownership very closely. So I stand by my comment on Honda over Hyundai, because imho, everything in the "cost of ownership" category , including purchase price, maintenance, and resale value will favor the Honda. That's been proven over the years. Specifically, the Type R is a great example because of it's extremely low depreciation rate. If you're able to get one at MSRP or, as in my case below MSRP, then it makes for a really fun car to own and drive, and is practical for everyday use, and doesn't cost much to own. It's a winning combination.
@@layne4376 I perused the 117 page thread on the 2nd gear grind issue on civicx.com ... obviously it's a thing. Apparently you've had yours for a while longer than I have, so I will not try and one-up anything you say. Hopefully, you still enjoy the car despite the annoyances, I hope to continue to enjoy mine trouble free...
@@layne4376 Funny you mention that, my co-worker has a black type-R with 20k miles on it and the paint is extremely thin. It has all kinds of body panel issues too. Not sure if he just got a bad batch. I drove it and it is a cool little car, but compared to my zl1 its a good handling golf cart at best imo. With that price range, the STI, a camaro ss 1le, or anything in that price range seem better overall performance car. Maybe its the power or the way the car pulled, it just felt like I was waiting so long to get in the next gear. I do say, the manual trans does feel pretty good and the clutch was pretty light, great for everyday driving.
As an Older MAN .When young learning to drive on an Automatic my gear changing sucked. Not until I had Truck driving lessons did I understand rev-matching, I doubt unless I'm on our local track would I use would use the "Auto" Rev-Matching, I'll let you know my Options on The Type R when I get mine in a few months/ Weeks, Thanks for a Critical View of the Type R
Now that you've had it for awhile, how does it compare to the WRX? took both for a test drive and loved the Civic, but there's something about the WRX for me
Great video.Thank you for your honest review. I see alot of hate on here for your opinions (people calm down), but I think you have very valid points with the drive modes and auto rev match. That being said. I love my 2020 Type R SO MUCH. it handles like no other through the canyons and all of its faults are forgiven after the first corner. I look forward to move of your videos!
Why didn't you get a VelosterN ? I'm curious because you compare it alot to the hyundai, i love the type r and the veloster so I don't mean to come off as rude but it seems like the veloster would be better for you
great points. Im looking to buy one due to their good resale value. The science behind rev match is not complicated. Its a 4 cylinder engine with turbo. if your not above 2k rpms and down shift its not safe for the engine to take over the torque to rev artificially. creates problems with turbo and (air/gas) injection down the road. If your 350 has the rev match is because its a 6 cylinder without turbo
If you don’t mind having less space and being RWD, the new 400z coming out with the V6 and twin turbos looks nice. Supposed to be around 40k so with all options probably around mid 50k
I’ve never had a problem with the rev matching, if I happen to be under 2k rpm I just rev match myself Also getting an exhaust/ muffler delete helps because you can hear the rev matches, stock exhaust is way too suppressed
it's weird i never had a problem with the heavy steer wheel and I actually like it and prefer that as a default from time to time, but i agree with you to a certain extent on the dislikes
you use auto rev match even just putting around town? i used it for maybe 20minutes when i first bought the car then turned it off. i told myself i'd turn it back on if i ever auto cross or track it. just normal or on B roads is just silly to have it on. not trying to attack you just dont get using it for regular driving.
Type R is great. I own the first gen 17 CTR, only complaints from the car itself is the first to second gear grind when your trying to shift hard and the 20 inch wheels on California roads. Other than that the car is awesome.
My Lexus GS 450h the same I wish I could do sport mode engine with normal light steering. So what I do now is town driving normal mode and motorway sport mode.
Does anyone who own 2021 FK8 have transmission issues for example grinds going into second when red lining? Or getting locked out in gear? I'm guessing it's a hit or miss when purchasing an fk8 based on the amount of mixed reviews. I currently own an 86 for 6 years and I have never experienced issues like this. I plan on purchasing 2021 fk8 however still hesitant if i would experience this even at early stages of ownership. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Best way to put it is "very different". I will look into it if I have time. Type R can drive like a normal, comfy, practical civic if you want it to. The Nismo is just hardcore all the time if you are ok with that.
i have a 17 CTR and a 19 nismo Z and like he said, they are very different cars. They provide different feel so idk if i would cross shop between those two.
i think the idea of the auto rev match is for people who can't/don't want to heel & toe. Ie for fast road/track driving not for just cruising around town
I have a 22 Civic SI. Auto Rev match works like a dream. Yeah the steering wheel will be nasty in a few thousand miles. Absolutely shocked you did not mention a dislike for the infotainment. That single-handedly made me not get a type R. The touch screen, lack of buttons, is so annoying, and it is ugly AF. Thankfully Honda finally wised up to just do like they do for the Accords for a proper infotainment, though it does need a refresh.
Acuity shifter or shifter part upgrades, Acuity Shifter bushings, Hybrid Racing detent springs, Acuity Throttle pedal relocater. Hasport 62A rear motor mount. The best cheap mods that will make a huge difference
Just got a 2020 WRX with 70 miles....what’s break in like on the Honda? Heard for the Subaru it’s 1000 miles, keep it under 4,000rpm and stay out of boost as much as you can.
Lol that’s all bullshit when i got my type r I fucking hit redline and full boost snd everything you can think off and it’s fine enjoy that shit. Next time you get in it snd drive I want you to hold the clutch press the gas all the way down and let go of the clutch and bring the Subaru to the real world
@@landofsyn2980 Fortunately, I don't have many stone chips, so its not too bad. Out of the 6 cars (Alfa Romeo's, VW's and Peugeot's) I've had it been the thinnest paint certainly on the alloys. Just have to be careful. but its only a small issue for me. I have no real issues with the fk8 I love it.
Small trick you keep your steering wheel in better shape. Get a ColourLock brush and quicky and gently brush your steering wheel when you're done driving. I know you shouldn't have to do that but it makes a huge difference keeping the fibers healthy and standing up. Get some Dr. Beaselys Alcantara cleaner and Once every month or so spray the wheel, lightly dry it with a microfiber and brush the fibers back up. Alcantara takes consistent maintenence to stay looking good and healthy. And never over saturate it. When you clean it, use the least amount of cleaner possible
lol i had the same issue with rev matching. you have to go into lower gear TWICE and it will rev-match for you. for example, go to 4th to 3rd (won't rev-match), go to neutral, and go to 3rd again (rev-match)
I dont know but im happy that Honda finally fixed that annoying sound on their mufflers,,to me it sounds great!! Is annoying to hear the Honda fartboys with their fartcans making all that noise on the roads.. Embarrassing !!! Great video 👍
I have a new Type R, never noticed that it misses rev matches. Never a miss. The reason I use it instead of turning it off, the pedal is offset poorly. Making heel toe very difficult. The 2k limit hasn't been a problem because at that low rpm you really don't need the rev match. I agree that the exhaust should have modes for those that want it. My biggest grip (though I LOVE the car) is the sixth gear ratio. It needs to be longer for street driving. Rarely will you clip into 6th on a track, and if you do it will be for minimal time. They should have made it way longer.
One of the best cheap mods you can do is get the Acuity Throttle pedal relocater. I installed it on my R literally 3 days after I got it. One of the biggest differences you'll feel from a modification.
I've driven an FK8 a few times, and what I don't like about its auto rev matching is that it won't do it going down into 1st. The two situations I like to rev match into 1st is super slow stop and go traffic, and for rolling stops at stop signs and free right turns. Otherwise, while I agree with the sentiment that auto-rev matching should just always work anywhere in the rpm range, I admittedly can't fathom why you would ever want to let your rpms go below 2k unless you're bumming around in 1st gear, or slowing to a stop from 2nd. Personally, I almost never let this type of manual car get below about 24-2500, especially in something that's turbocharged, that way if and when I want some power sooner rather than later, I don't have to simultaneously hurt my turbo by it asking for more power than it can currently give me. Being rude to the turbocharger aside, I'd say the proper cruising rpm range in a car like this is going to be 2 to 3k, and I'd personally always be much closer to 3k than 2k. Do that, and you'd of course never have an issue. It wouldn't surprise me if Honda figured people generally aren't trying cruise around below 2k rpms, because it really doesn't make sense to.
Never have I ever had a problem with my steering. Personally, I feel like the steering is perfect and as for the rev matching I don’t always count on it to rev match for me if it does it for me than great if not whatever I’ll do it myself. I do agree on the matter of the wheels, the offset is weird and the rims should’ve been at least 19in.
So glad my '18 has the leather steering wheel. As for lumbar support, I have no fatigue or aches after even an hour or more, so the seats work even without any obvious lumbar support. As for the wheels and tires, stock is best. Look best, drive best. Worth the extra maintenance. You did not mention the one real annoyance- the 39.5 foot turning circle, which makes parking harder, and means you will curb the wheel if you cut a right turn too sharply. Word to the wise. Comfort mode is pretty much useless. Sport is great, even + R is fine.
Discovered your Type R videos not long ago. Your insight is spot on as far as I'm concerned. Made a comment about the steering wheel on the your first video on the CTR I watched. I used the word grimy.
Definitely agree with the exhaust, thats the number one thing i'm hoping they improve on with the 2023 version of the Type R. Don't make and aggressive looking car that's meant to be fast (for what it is) and then make it sound like a normal everyday car that maybe really needs a service xD I don't own one of these cars yet but I think by the time i'm ready to get one it will likely be the 2023 version so pleeease Honda if you're reading this, put some badass exhaust on that thing and lose the fake cab exhaust noises! I know it'll never sound like a V8 but it can sound waaaay better than this!
hey nice vlog on the honda care to check out mine also watching from Jamaica, if you take your resonator off the exhaust will sound deeper an better also my steering wheel has a different material than yours
Say a few negative things you personally deal with for future buyers and people act like you’re coming for their life or something lol I’m in the market looking at options and I appreciate your points.
But it's like saying he doesn't like the look of the car. It's something you know before you buy it, not something that becomes apparent after ownership unless you literally buy a car without doing any research at all. And if you do, you're either loaded or a buffoon
I have a 2019 civic type r. I pretty much drive all the time in +R mode lol. I have about 10k miles. If I am on the hwy and the road is bumpy i'll swap it down to comfort. I really don't see the point in sport mode. I know some people love sport mode but I just never use it. I did get a email from Honda asking me if I would be interested in the alcantara steering wheel. Just like you I know I would hate it. I am a adult male that works outside. My hands get dirty. No way would I be happy with that steering wheel. One thing I think you should get is 3D Maxpider floor mats. One of the first things i bought. I love them. They look awesome and I don't have worry about my feet being dirty.
Lol, our opinions differ greatly. For me I don't see a point to comfort mode. Sport mode the damping seems just fine and I don't like the light steering in comfort mode. +R mode I really like as well, but only use it when spirited driving or when I want more rev match.
I love the quiet sound im at 375hp and 368tq and killing all those noisy cars with alot of sound but no go specially those tuned up subies and couple muscle cars
I can’t imagine driving on a 20” wheel with low profile tires like that. Most Type R owners here in NE seem to switch out theirs for 19’s but apparently that causes issues with torque steer.
Good to know on the 19s and torque steer. Honda has done a really good job with eliminating torque steer on the 20s but moving down to 19s could make that experience worse. Definitely going to consider that if I change the summers over to 19s.
@@projectWRX15 It's not bad at all. I'm running a 19x9.5 with +38 offset and it handles much better in my opinion. Most track guys I know run between a +35 and +45 offset with no major torque steer issues. It goes off a bit for a split .5 seconds but recovers really easy with minimal effort. Just my experience
Hey so what I figured out is that if you leave the stock exhaust and you get a street down pipe, you get a really good sounding car without the nasty drone.
His disappointment with the rev matching doesn't make sense. He's complaining about it not matching under 2g revs. Anyone who drives stick at that low of a rev is gonna throw it in neutral and glide to a stop.
@@RelaxAndSmokeMeth If you are coming to a stop, I would agree that the Rev matching doesn't matter. Where you notice it a lot of the time is slowing for a 2nd gear turn. If you are coming from third gear or neutral it won't rev match most of the time which unsettles the car.
@@projectWRX15 it will do it if you are in +R mode. if your in sports mode, the rev match is less aggressive. just stick in neutral like you are "double clutching" first and it'll do it. It took me a while to get used to it but its not a big deal.
