What if AMERICA won the War of 1812? Animated Alternate History 

They should have just joined us in the American Revolution; they're basically the same country anyway. lol 🙂

Pig war sounds like over simplified

@@neutrino78x they were british colony when the americans rebeleed

@@t.n.h.ptheneohumanpatterna8334 "they were british colony when the americans rebeleed" No shit, sherlock. I was saying, they should have rebelled along with us. 🙂

@@neutrino78x im not sherlock im a dog

Yeah I wish

@@Videntis.History we still can. it is after all our MANIFEST DESTINY! We simply gotta get Canada a more pro American leader and we do just take them like Germany and Austria lol

Not blessed for brittain

​@@Videntis.History right?

Blessed to Americans, absolutely Blursed to everyone else

Hail Columbia is also an option.

@@k9er596 True, but it’s strange to have a national anthem that doesn’t have the name of the country it’s about.

I agree but I think hail Columbia would become the national anthem

@@Videntis.History I could see that because of how long it had been used and the significance of it.

Nah I could see that Germany’s unrestricted submarine warfare during world war 1 might trigger America to join the entente, due to the sinking of American trading ships and as well as the loss of American lives on passenger ships

This would happen more because we have more open land and we need people to help settle it. The population would be 2 or 3 times the size it is today possibly reaching half a billion to almost a full one billion maybe.

​@eidoneverchoosen1171 imagine the US having more people than Europe, and because of the new population big companies wouldn't go to China and India for cheap labor.

@@mrsillytacos well their be out sourcing those jobs because population must be maintained in having jobs something any corrupt politicians who try to fight it would be challenged way more. Especially if the USA remains non intervention with the rest of the world which be good because then their be no excuse of rhe USA should not be in other nations with the military. Instead their be nations who probably beg for economic trade and or weapon arms to be sold to them.

I would love to hear more about this neutral US with poor relations with the UK and how that impacted The Great War. Would Germany have eventually worn down French forces that lacked hope of American reinforcement? Would the workers of various countries have rose up against their employers who fed the war machines? And if the US did not have the external focus of WW1 and WW2, would that fourth turning had instead been entirely internal? Would the US have imploded during the Great Depression?

I think they might have joined Germany. This would read as Brittish Aggression, and Russia would have collapsed sooner because they were on two fronts, should the Entente Codiale still be in effect, allowing Germany to focus even more on France and England. Eventually, France would capitulate like in the Franco-Prussian War, and Brittain would be pissed off.

I second this. 👍

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@@savagedarksider2147 Okay, Thanks, 👍

Cursed timeline

@@peoplesrepublicofbeesechur7179 More like Blessed timeline. God Save Karl Von Habsburg the Blessed!

yeah, I agree. Its a shame that people don't hear it much today

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It might need to be changed when the country Columbia becomes a thing

@@oilybat3269 colombia*******************************************************

Hail Columbia or My Country Tis of Thee but probably since America is a lot more anti-European in this timeline and to distance themselves from the British, Hail Columbia is the most realistic option.

That’s a good point. I though Kentucky joined the confederates so thanks for letting me know. I don’t know how close France and America would be, but this ww1 may have been France vs England and Germany so who knows

🤓:Missouri was kind of a special case. In public at least, the governor wanted to be neutral and not help either side. Behind the scenes he was secretly communicating with the Confederacy. Lincoln forced the issue and demanded that Missouri support the Union and provide troops for the war. The governor and other pro Confederacy government officials ended up fleeing Union troops that marched on the state capitol. As a government in exile, they voted to join the Confederacy. Meanwhile, a new pro Union governor was installed by the remaining state reps and the government in exile was ignored. This mess is why Missouri seems to be randomly assigned to the Union or Confederacy on every civil war map.

Both Missouri and Kentucky were accepted into the CSA, hence 13 stars on the battle flag, but both were also occupied by USA troops the whole war.

@@neuf1720 Both states were claimed by the CSA, as well as the territories primarily consisting of the modern states of Arizona and New Mexico. However, those states were never DeFacto parts of the CSA, but they would have been accepted into the CSA along with other states like Maryland, Delaware.

@@Videntis.History Kentucky tried to stay neutral, but never formally seceded. The Confederates did try to set up a shadow government in Kentucky when they invaded, but they got the boot.

The democrat-republicans were isolationist and if they held power for a while I think they would shape America to stay out of European politics and Africa. I agree that Quebec would be difficult and it may retain pockets of French culture and language but the majority would become Americanized. I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for the nice comment

@@Videntis.History oh no I’m not disagreeing with you there, this was early enough that I’m sure that most of Quebec would be assimilated into the broader American culture. I also agree with the isolationism since for the most part that’s what happened in our timeline, but I feel as though that would mean they’d be more focused and active on keeping the Europeans out of the Americas in comparison to how they were pretty lenient with them in OTL, and also I believe the isolation wouldn’t extend to them wanting stay out of trade, especially as there would still be a good amount of ideological diversity within the party.

Not sure if I had been Mandela Effected, but America did win the War of 1812

​@@marcmarc4776Survived is more accurate

I would like to but the last one did bad so I may revisit the topic in the future, but not at the moment

Yeah that could happen, but who knows how much would change because of napoleon but if everything went the same, they probably would have sided with the entente

The US would likely be in the entente, but not for Britain's sake. More likely they would join to support France and that would cause problems in of itself. With US/UK relations strained at best or fractured at worst would they put aside their issues to help France or would the entente fracture. Also, if there is bad blood between the two, would the us have believed the uk about the Zimmerman note. Mexico even after recieving it knew it couldn't stand against the US, even if Germany supported them, and with even more of their more prosperous territory gone, it wouldn't want to do anything. The Zimmerman note probably would have been left as a footnote in history, much like all things britain tried to do to pull the US into the war, but that's a whole other level of issues entirely.

This is just what I think. But I don't think Germany would have done Zimmerman Telegram. Because in this scenario USA and Britain didn't really like eachother so USA wouldn't have traded with Britain. Meaning there is no need for Germany to do Zimmerman Telegram.

@@daneolson1483 well the US didn't believe the UK in real life, but then the German ambassador basically admitted that it was real, causing the US to get involved

@@8vantor8 When one of your ambassadors say, 'Oh the UK are correct, it is REAL.' 🦭 🤡for that Ambassador he shouldn't have said anything. lol

Considering Greenland was a Danish colony at the time; and Madison doctrine in the alternative timeline. The new United States probably could be more likely to buy out Greenland than invade it. That is if the government does well with the management of wealth and resources in hands of the Americans.

​@@the_dragon_gamer8850*Looks at American Government* Yeah we wouldnt have done that.

@@CloseingStraw97 do you really think the US government was always like it was after Nixon? lol

Thanks so much

He sort of alluded to it, being much more isolationist and capable of trading and perpetuating the economy fairly decently within the US itself. Though the Zimmerman telegram might shake things up, if the British were not on as good of terms, they might not have told the US about it and Mexico might have been more inclined to fight and join Germany due to the US taking more in this timeline. (Considering that within our own timeline, we captured and held Mexico City within 16 months, perhaps the US would just steam roll them and hold them under martial law to ensure that Germany doesn't try pushing through.)

And Penobscot is puh naab skuht. Haiti is the French half of the island of Hispaniola. The Spanish half is the Dominican Republic today and was called Santo Domingo, same as the capital, under Spain. Overall, an interesting alternative history.

The Woonsocket French were treated very well and other French Americans are still influential today in the Ohio valley and Louisiana, the French Americans were treated well and I doubt the Quebecoise will be mistreated

@@Kanamethealfr Are there any French speaking communities in the US, that still have French as first langauage?

They're very white. They'd be fine. Some would hold their language against them but that's about it. For all the atrocities Canada has committed against the first nations, I shudder to think of the US's track record applied here.

doubtful. We would have attempted to anglicize Quebec, just like we did with New Orleans and Louisiana, but, generally, we find more kinship with French speaking people than with Spanish speaking people. I see Quebec taking a similar path as Louisiana.

wrong. russia sold it because they were broke after the crimean war. they wouldve done it either way

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Dream on yank!😂

I still think its a net postive depending on if jim crow laws still take effect.

Thank you sir

@@Videntis.History No problem. Peace ✌🏻

I actually believe this would happen as their was a rumor queen Victoria hated the united states of America a strong US would scare the British. The Russian empire and a strong France empire would probably side with us. In real life Russia sent in the far east and black sea fleets in.the event British empire declared war on the USA and the usa had created the first iron clad ships though few in number at the time could challenge the royal navy a little more. Had this happen an British alliance may form between the USA Russia and France creating an alternative allies alliance Britain may drag much of Europe into the Civil War Turing the American civil war into world War 1. In the end we would win win war but it might Last a little longer on account the British jumped into the fight many American men ans boys would did all in effort to preserve the Union of the USA in fact their a chance the confederate states hald in the war might rejoin the union in the belief the British are only helping them so the British can reconquer the southern states and the Civil War become a fight for to free the slaves and upolding state rights to a fight for freedom from the USA Old enemy the British empire who be seen as trying to finish and recapture the American colonies they lost. This might put the British on the side of Central powers, so the USA be on the allies side qith France and Russia with Britian unwilling to side with Russia and France on account they would never forgive them for siding with the Union of the USA. If the central powerstill lose in the great war of 1914 britan may turn to fascism. And side with the nazi of germany.

I could see France and Great Britain supporting the south and Prussia and Russia supporting the north.

that doesn't solve Mexico's own underlying issues. Giving a country without a proper system of government more land wouldn't help that much, especially due to how undersettled these lands would have been for more time. The allure of the gold rush and eventually oilfields if the US hasn't annexed these territories by the early 1900's, the new oilfields would definitely drive up 'interest' in these lands.

I disagree, the land was underutilized and they would be worried America would just conquer it from them so a sale makes sense

There's also a high likelihood of conflicts in Europe forcing Russia to sell its territories in North America

I think they still would have sold it, one motivating factor to sell it was simply Russia at the time needed money. They just never wanted to give it to the English/Canada because they didn't like Britain, the US was just the most probable interested buyer at the time. So assuming Napolean still happened I think Russia selling Alaska to the US is still something that happens, although maybe with a bit more eagerness pititioning to sell on the US part because of a renewed sense of manifest destiny in the region on their part

Thanks

Good idea, added it to the list

I need to see how this video does, but part 2s normally don’t do as well

​@@Videntis.Historypart deux - The Pan-American Union where USA unites all the Americas in one grand semi-cosmopolitan federal union from North American including Greenland down to the southernmoat tippy tip of South America and all the islands in and around

Glad you liked it!

There is a guy called Possible History who did that scenario well

I added it to my list

From what I've read, Hideyoshi wanted to take Beijing by the end of 1592 and the rest of the Great Ming and make Go-Yozei emperor of China. Hideyoshi also wanted to enfeoff his subordinates in Korea and China, with an area around Northern Zhili probably being controlled by the central government. If some things changed in the timeline like the earlier death of Yi Sun-sin, Hideyoshi somehow avoids executing Hidetsugu, an earlier decline of Ming by some means like Zhang Juzheng dying earlier, and etc. Its likely they'd face a situation similar to the Ming-Qing transition, and they'd have to be accepted by the Chinese people. Hideyoshi himself was a megalomaniac and wanted to impose the Japanese culture amongst his new subjects, but the Japanese would likely have to sinicize further. I believe he could denationalize the people of Korea and assimilate them into Japanese society (which would be heavily influenced by Chinese culture). The Japanese would likely be seen as yet another subgroup of the Han, just like the Cantonese or Hakka. Many Japanese would probably settle in the Mainland, and some mainlanders would be sent to Japan for forced labor. Although Hideyoshi attempted to prevent his troops from committing atrocities against the locals, its likely it would continue in both China and Korea, just as it did in real life. Hideyoshi would also attempt to conscript locals for his conquests of China after taking Beijing. A new Japanese-led dynasty claiming the Mandate of Heaven from the Ming would happen. The emperors would still be puppets of Hideyoshi though, and its likely Hideyoshi's descendants would continue ruling China 'til an event similar to the Meiji Restoration. Hideyoshi would keep this dynasty more open to trade with foreign powers and wouldn't impose isolation or sakoku like the Tokugawa. If Hideyoshi lived longer, its likely that the Battle of Sekigahara and the Tokugawa Shogunate would be prevented, with an adult Toyotomi clan member to watch over Hideyori. There would be influence from the Japanese language to the Chinese languages and vice versa, while Korean would likely die out as an identity. There is a lot to speculate for this though.

i feel like that war is not well known outside of the countries involved and doesnt get much attention or academic research

​@yuuki6712 in that universe Japan would be able to drag China in the Meiji Restoration. My guess that everything over the Liaoling peninsula would be Japan Proper.

Or break away states from Mexico petition to join the US. A more militant past would probably see the US control all the way to panama.

I’m not sure if you know this but, the Federal Republic of Central America had already peacefully seceded and collapsed before the US-Mexico war ever happened. The only rebellions that sought independence from Mexico and weren’t caused by American settlers were Rio Grande and Yucatán

I hope I make it to the top 10, but I gotta stay patient

@@Videntis.History maybe some background music would make this even better

Maybe the Americans would have renamed Prince Edward Island as Cape Breton to remove the Royal connotations with the name?

@@thatguywhosenameyoukeepmis9450 But historically Americans rarely changed the names of Royal connotations (cities, even entire states have royal names, not to mention a good bit of counties)

If they won, i won’t be waiting a month for my stuff to arrive from canada 😂

The video actually shows the real Cape Breton Islands joining with Prince Edward Island

loneprimate - if you live in a building with 175,000 tenants, you might wanna consider moving...

I think if they lost, many Canadians would want to go back to England but if lord Wellington went to the US things would be much harder for America and they probably wouldn’t win

Many wouldn't to cape Town south Africa and turn south Africa into an eventual white English-speaking colony much more.stable then real life south Africa.

Nonsense. The historic UELs did not go back to England in the real timeline. Why would settlers born and bred in the new world displace themselves to another aiien continent rather than reach an accommodation roughly where they alfeady lived? People moved around the great lakes, migrated west and southwest. Whothe hell went all the way back to England other than military regulars?

American incompetence leaders wise, there was no reason other then that for their defeat.

Well the usa was fairly young and lacked military experience.

That's what being a superpower allows you to do I guess

"The UK" in this war was mostly colonial detachments - forces explicitly dedicated to the colonies, commanded by local administrators. It was only late in the war that some reinforcements from Europe were sent. After the defeat of Napoleon, it was discussed to send Wellington stateside, but Wellington himself argued against it. With the end of the war against Napoleon, the entire point of the War of 1812 was moot - it had been triggered to no small degree by measures the UK had taken to fight Napoleon - pressing sailors to man the Royal Navy, and searching ships for contraband that might help France. After years of fighting, it wouldn't have been worthwhile to continue a war they'd never wanted in the first place. On the other hand, had the US refused to negotiate, the situation would have looked quite differently. As it was, the whole thing was little more than an inconvenient side show trying to distract its focus for the UK.

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Das Amerika ausgerechnet ihrem einstigen Unterdrücker Großbritannien der im Krieg von 1812 sogar das Weiße Haus Niederbrannte geholfen haben, ist völlig Unverständlich! Die U.S.A hätten besser Kanada erobern sollen, und im 1.Weltkrieg auf deutscher Seite stehen müssen!

That’s fair but at some point they would become states idk when though

@@Videntis.History a gradual consolidation of states to take place in centuries… with the starting provinces in the Canadas becoming states by the 1860s

Japan insane warminger military leaders who wanted to conquer the world would still do that. Sure ir be stupid and insane but Japan government still believe they were a divine people destiny to conquer the world which in teak life was untrue as their is no way they could conquer the world.

Nice choice

well maybe, it just depends on if WW1 even happened. Another comment pointed out that if Napoleon remained in power or even remained longer, things could have gone completely differently in Europe.

Even if Pearl Harbor wasn’t attacked the USA would’ve gotten involved in the Pacific Campaign eventually and Japan knew that, their war goal was never to conquer the USA as it was to just cripple them enough to negotiate a more favorable peace deal. Not like they would’ve kept that Empire anyways to be honest, Japan just didn’t have enough resources and manpower to stabilize an Empire that big across so many different Ethnicities and Cultures- It was bound to break apart and destabilize.

That’s a Big what if…. Manifest destiny would have almost certainly seen the US expanding into the Pacific and even if we didn’t get our hands on Hawaii, we would inevitably come into conflict with Japan.

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You could just go back a few decades and wish the revolutionaries lost the American Revolution to the Loyalists. You would have gotten the same result.

​@drmodestoesq most likely they would be very similar to Canada and still be under the commonwealth in general so notreally.

@@drmodestoesq Britain never would have merged the “American” colonies and “Canadian” colonies into one giant dominion, the cons would outweigh the pros.

@@Ihni2000 Name one "con." Australia is all one nation. Britain didn't divide it in half.

@@drmodestoesq Britain organized a lot of their colonies under one government, for example South Africa or as you said Australia. The problem with uniting British America under one government would create a diverse, populous, and HUGE mass of land that would be a headache to govern and maintain. You would have people identifying with the British crown mainly concentrated what is in now Canada, the revolutionaries remaining throughout the 13 colonies who I doubt would just accept British dominance, and then you would have the Quebecois and various native tribes wanting nations of their own (There were British plans to actually build a federation of native tribes around what is now the American state of Michigan). Add this to the peoples living in the territories that we “would have gotten anyways” along with other non British settlers from Europe living in their colonies that the British would not bother subjugating like the American government did and you have this complete mess of a nation. The closest the British could get to a giant North American nation under the British crown would be an uneasy Confederation of peoples who simply don’t want to be in the same country. The British also wouldn’t let their subjects go into “reckless” wars against Mexico or considering the Louisiana purchase never happens a French Louisiana. So yeah, a giant American nation under British oversight and policy would not turn out very well. Edit: This was probably the longest comment I’ve ever written XD

Wellington said what he said because the point of the war was moot. Most of the grievances the US had declared war about ceased to be relevant with the defeat of Napoleon. Neither was there any more need to search ships for contraband aiding France, nor was there a need to press sailors. Had Wellington instead indeed moved stateside, along with naval support, the conflict would have been quite different fighting battle-hardened veterans of the Napoleonic wars than fighting some colonial detachments. And the US Navy would likely have been turned to tinder rather quickly, even if Nelson was dead - Collingwood was still around.

I concur. 😎👍

Yeah good song choice

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Yeah great idea that’s coming soon 🤫

I’ve never played a paradox game before, I love watching them but idk how I would do that

@@Videntis.History I can buy you the games if you want. You need Imperator: Rome, Crusader Kings III, Europa Universalis IV, Victoria III, Hearts of Iron IV, and Stellaris. Although you would have to tailor Stellaris to fit how you think exploration in space would go and you would need a mighty powerful computer to run it in the most realistic portrayal possible. So you might go without Stellaris or just briefly in terms of colonizing the solar system maybe starting on Proxima and Alpha Centauri.

@@Videntis.History If you briefly go into Stellaris, you don't have to show as much.

Nobody did

@@francoisdaureville323 Nah, those were the colinial detachments only. The real interesting thing is what would have happened had the US refused to negotiate and Wellington had indeed come to America with his troops and the Royal Navy.

I get where your coming from but I disagree

With what part?

​@Nostradamus No probs, just pointing out my disagreements.