What If Crookshanks KILLED Wormtail | Harry Potter Film Theory 

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When will the next livestream for Kahoot be?

How did the talmerines affect Narnia's ocean. With talking fish and mermaids. 🤔

Hey brothers! Can you please do a video about how Albus Dumbledore’s life and personality is representative of all 4 Hogwarts Houses? He’s an ambitious and cunning young man (Slytherin) who grows into a fiercely loyal (Hufflepuff) brave, chivalric (Gryffindor) and intelligent, wise (Ravenclaw) old wizard.

Two really good what ifs to discuss: What if Harry did learn occlumency from Snape What if Ginny went with Harry, Ron and Hermione in thw hunt for horcruxes These would be very interesting ones, so please make videos on them😊😊

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Thats an awesome idea!!

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And I thought the “what if Harry was in slytherin” series changed a lot 😂

It has to happen

For now

Tragically he passed away shortly after anyway due to health complications from his long stint in Azkaban… 🤣

The story did not get to the battle where Sirius dies, so I find it unlikely

​@@eroth1008there is the situation in book 5 where Sirius isn't 'locked' in Grimauld for that year. And Harry having good contact to him, will change the whole setup to the battle in the ministry. It wouldn't be the same. There is a good chance Sirius may survive.

He still dies at the ministry, probably by Lucius' hand (pun intended) as a callback to the sucker punch at the world cup.

According to Harry Potter Legacy. You do in fact turn back. It's not part of the main story. Just a throw away line from a side story.

I agree. That seems to be more Bellatrix. Plus there have only been a few animagi in the last few years 1 being McGonagall it is unlikely an auror would be unregistered and if u transfiguration yourself into an animal u r stuck like that as u can’t perform the magic to change back someone else must.

"It was just a fox, I though perhaps an auror." I believe is what she said. So very much shoot first.

@@remlaw2287 But Bellatrix wouldn't know who's on the registry.

@@Ranger1812 I would argue she could due to Rookwoods intel in the first wizarding war. I’m pretty any surprised animagi would have information he would have given Voldemort and his supporters

harry has nothing to obsesses over in HBP besides trying to tell ginny his feelings for her and he's not banned from quidditch in book 5

First of all, Draco wouldn't come with the Durmstrang students because he was underage at the time so they wouldn't have bothered to bring him. But this is what would've happened otherwise (if you're confused about why one of these points would've happened, I'll explain in more detail) So Harry gets sorted into Slytherin, never makes the quidditch team, and is the one taken down to the chamber of secrets because Draco never steals the diary from Harry, which in canon Ginny usually steals from him. If he somehow managed to survive past second year, the buckbeak side plot would've never happened, the throwing mud on Malfoy wouldn't have happened which means Lupin never gets the map, meaning the ending of POA is very different since Lupin never shows up at the shack and gets his potion, who knows how that would've turned out. Nothing too notable happens in fourth year to do with Draco, except maybe Hermione and the teeth incident. Fifth year it was Draco who captured Harry when the DA was found out. Without him as evidence, Dumbledore might have never been ejected from the school, and that has massive ramifications. Do I honestly have to say anything about sixth year? I mean, just look at the ending. Without Draco there to disarm Dumbledore, Snape becomes the master of the Elder wand, making Voldemort the master of the Elder wand when he kills him. When Harry is taken to Malfoy Manor, Draco wouldn't be there to misidentify him, possibly resulting in his capture and early death. Narcissa definitely wouldn't say he is dead in the forest. Just, Draco not being in the story changes everything.

I thought Dumbledore’s planning of his own death was going to make it so Snape wouldn’t become the master of the Elder Wand, as he wouldn’t have “defeated” it’s previous master? But yes, some pretty big changes

@@13windex So true, if that worked that would have also had massive ramifications, because if Voldemort was unable to use the Elder wand, and used another wand instead, that would've been a game changer in the end duel. Or worse, if he used his original wand if he realised Harry's had been broken. I didn't go into it before, but with Draco gone from the story, there is the potential that Dumbledore arranges his death to be different if there is no one else who takes Draco's punishment. It raises the question what exactly is happening to this version of Draco, is he still punished for his father's failings? Does he still end up as a death eater? Probably yes to the second one, but who knows if he has any effect on the story itself. Also, would the chamber of secrets and diary stuff even happen in this chain of events? Would Lucius still get into that fight with Arthur? I want to say yes, because Lucius needed to go to knockturn alley and get rid of his dark artefacts, and I assume the plan would still happen so going to the book shop would also still happen because it is any easy way to find a target and slip them a book with the rest of the ones they've bought, but honestly, who knows. Draco is way more important to the story than you'd think, it's insane. I mean, these are just off the top of my head.

yes!!

and natsai later became an animagus in the form of a gazel (using the old method of having a mandrake leaf in your mouth for a month)

Not THAT much fun, honestly 😢

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or it might strengthen the part of Voldemort's soul and actually give it influence over Harry

I think Chikararayoku might be right. The obscurus would probably influence towards the dark lord. I mean, look at the fantastic beast series. The obscure in there was easily manipulated into the dark side (I'm having hard time remembering the names from that series, forgive me). It took a whole lot of convincing for the obscure from the good side. But, I can see Dumbledore taking that opportunity to talk to harry and maybe help Dumbledore feel less guilty about his sister's death? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, my memory is kind of hazy

I don't think so. Obscurus only develop when the witch or wizard suppress their magic, the key point being that they know they can use magic but represses it willingly, while Harry doesn't know about magic at all and it's just happens semi-randomly.

@@JoshuaB1194 but that's what happened with Credence in fantastic beasts, he was raised as a baby with those who would suppress magic because they believe it's evil.

@@strifenineteen the difference between Credence and harry is that Credence would be punished because of his magic and he does know he can use magic just lack the knowledge of the subject and was actively suppressing his magic to avoid getting punished(not that it always worked). Harry on the other hand never knew magic even exists nor has his aunt and uncle even told him about magic so he wouldn't think of suppressing his magic, which is proven on the basis of all the accidental magic he performs. One suppresses his magic the other one doesn't.

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Ok, but...Draco isn't exactly Gryffindor material. MAYBE Ravenclaw.

@@tylerthomas9123 there’s a really good ongoing fanfic right now where lucious for unexplained reasons died when Draco was 8 and therefore Draco had to become braver as heir to his fathers fortune and all the people that would love to take it from him. Therefore he empties more gryffndor crachteristics and is sorted into gryffndor. Forgot what it’s called but I’ll reply on here when I do

PLEASE this would be so awesome!!

I doubt Dumbledore would allow that and just help Sirius buy a nearby house so he can visit/watch.

@@anvos658 The more vehement Dumbledore is about basically imprisoning Harry at privet drive the more important it is that he finally reveals why that is necessary. If Dumbledore told Harry what he told him at the end of Order, in the end of this altered Prisoner, and even told Sirius some bits of it, because if Harry knew the prophecy and Sirius was alive, then Harry will absolutely tell Sirius so Dumbledore cann as well tell him himself, they have to agree that spending time at the Dursleys is a necessary evil…

I doubt that they would allow that though

@@anvos658 Sirius, Lupin, the Weasley Kids and Harry: Mischief it is

One interesting question is, would they tell Harry he was magical? From a story-telling perspective, it's best if they didn't: Harry having no knowledge of the wizarding world allows us, the readers, to discover it through his eyes. But you'd still need an in-universe explanation as to why they kept that information from him.

Harry would probably just end up well-adjusted, and possibly even a little vain due to his status as a the vanquisher of the Dark Lord. And it is often overlooked, but Harry being raised by such cruel caregivers is the main reason why us readers identify with him. He is the most personally-oppressed underdog, and if it weren't for that, the story just wouldn't work. And even Harry starting each new book back with Dursleys helps to reinforce our sympathy towards him. Story-wise, that sympathy is one of the key components to the Harry Potter Series success.

@@ugolomb I think if they didn't tell Harry, there could be a good reason for it. Either they saw how being involved with the wizarding world basically killed their daughter and so may have ended up resenting magic for that or they didn't resent magic but simply wanted to give Harry as normal of a childhood as they could before he went off to Hogwarts. They may not have punished him for using magic when he was younger the way the dursleys did, but maybe they ended up unintentionally gaslighting him in order to explain away the magic until he goes to Hogwarts and realises, putting a strain on his relationship with his grandparents which you see develop during the holidays of the later books.

​@@ugolombWhy they wouldn't tell him he's a wizard, when they were happy for Lily. Is simple. At the time it probably seemed like just a different type of boarding school for their gifted child. But after hearing Lily was killed with magic and the bad wizard that killed her is after baby Harry. Of course they wouldn't tell him anything about Hogwarts or him being a wizard.

@@Mew_Mokuba_Akari Good thinking. That would be one way of explaining why Harry wouldn't be told about magic in such circumstances

Yeah, his story after year three is pretty much a mystery

I believe both would be at the Burrow. I can't remember specifically, but I believe its said Crookshanks is at the Burrow before the trio had to flee. I'd assume the Weasleys just took care of Crookshanks till after the war, knowing Hermione can't just come take her cat when they are being hunted (and wouldn't have time to grab the cat when they needed to flee). I would assume Pigwidgion is also there. Maybe Ginny even took Pig with her to Hogwarts for the time she was there before going into hiding.

@@fidelianerina It's also entirely possible that after wiping her parents' memories, Hermione leaves them Crookshanks, and they take him to Australia. I can absolutely see Hermione wanting Crookshanks to take care of her parents, both physically and emotionally. Even with modified memories, some part of them would feel their daughter's absence, and it'd be devastating.

There is a mention of crookshanks chasing gnomes when they were cleaning up for Bill and Fleur wedding. Which makes me think the burrow is where crookshanks spent the war.

Yeah, that sounds like Fudge

I think the issue is that fudge still spent an entire year pursuing Sirius with the ministry. Maybe he could spin it, but on the other hand, a man was found dead at Hogwarts, he was pursuing an innocent person all year, and if he was aware of the prophecy, he wouldn't want the word getting out that Voldemort would be returning. So I'm not sure he's going to like Sirius

Except for the fact that it was Fudge's idea for the manhunt, telling the muggle Prime Minister, splashing Sirius's face all over the prophet, and wanted posters telling everyone he was a dangerous criminal and lastly, it was Fudge's bright idea to station a group of Dementors around a school full of children. Just because Fudge isn't the one who actually sent him to prison is irrelevant. He is the Minister for Magic. Also, Barty Crouch Sr. was never Minister. He was the head of magical law enforcement. He was being considered to be the next Minister, until the scandal of his son being caught with the group of DeathEaters that tortured the Longbottoms into insanity, came out. That's why Fudge got the job. He was the third choice...lol.

Fudge makes Fudge look bad.

It would also help Fudge that Barty Crouch son was caught

I’m not sure things would change much. Even if she survived, she’d still be either in St. Mungo’s permant spell damage ward, like the Longbottoms eventually end up in, or she’s still physically and/or mentally scarred for life while also having a prolonged stay at St. Mungo’s. Aberforth would still blame Albus, but focus much of his life to taking care of Ariana. Albus would still carry the regret of being involved in his sister’s accident, and Ariana would still ultimately die long before Harry is born. You’re asking for something that simply requires a miracle that’s the equivalent of fanfiction, and even then you’d have to flex a large amount of suspension of disbelief.

good idea!

Duel not spell.

@@raylop80731 yes, but it was a combination of three spells that hit her that caused her death, so in a way, spell is somewhat accurate.

and kills albus instead

That's the way I see it too. If Wormtail had been killed by Crookshanks earlier Trelawny may never have spoken that prophecy. -Beside where does it say "A propjhecy, once given, must come true" because Dumbledore explains to Harry not every prophecy in the vault where they are kept came true. He also explains that the prophecy of Harry and Voldemort became meaningful for them because Voldemort gave it meaning.

@@sawanna508 Despite Dumbledore saying that, it’s still common to interpret it such that all prophecies are eventually fulfilled. Otherwise there isn’t much difference between a prophecy and any other prediction. Instead, you can interpret him as saying that the prophecies have no force *in themselves;* nothing happens because of the prophecy but only because it would have happened anyway or because someone believed the prophecy. (I’m not sure if I’m being clear there. In this interpretation, the prophecy will come true through prediction or through being self-fulfilling; it knows Harry won’t die from a piano falling on his head but it isn’t protecting him from the piano.) I think that interpretation makes *some* sense especially if you compare to prophecies in other fiction, but it doesn’t really match what Dumbledore seems to say. I’m not sure how that makes prophecies any more interesting than all of Trelawny’s surprisingly-accurate non-prophecy predictions, though (including Harry meeting the Grim), and it makes sense as a fanfic-writing guideline.

@@danielrhouck There is a difference between devination and prophecies. Prophecies. Devinations are always interpration of somekind of patterns. Trelwany is just very good at selling her interpretations. In the end we all know there was never a Grim just Sirius as a dog. A Prophecie is something completely different it is not guess work it stats exactly what will happen/has to happen (or will most likely happen). Anyway I disagree with the sentiment that every propheciy must be fullfilled.

Oh, I"m glad it's not just me that thought that.

100% there is no chance Barty Jr is able to beat Mad eye and take his identity within the time frame. They do it the night before in the real story. That’s not mentioning the fact that wormtail was the one who captured Bertha Jorkins without who they know nothing about the tri wizard tournament

I thought the same thing; the prophecy happened just before Peter was rediscovered as being alive. If Peter was killed at least a few weeks earlier, why would the prophecy have to happen? I'm sure there are other ways Voldemort could come back, just maybe a bit later than o.b.c. (original book canon).

Wouldn't really say the prophecy was based on circumstances.

Exactly this! I was looking for someone to comment on Lucius. I also do not see him going and helping Voldemort at all. He relishes in the intimidating role he can play because of his status and wealth, but truly he never seemed eager to bring back Voldemort and was only getting more scared and bothered once he returned - because he had to abandon his way of life + the fear for his, Draco'đ and Narcissa's lives.

I was thinking the exact same thing, actually. It'd be extremely out of character for Lucius to go to such great lengths to bring Voldemort back, especially considering he wasn't too keen on it in the first place.

I also don’t see him sacrificing his hand. He was so reluctant to hand over his wand, even temporarily, what make you think he’d be willing to cut off his own hand?

Lucius' cowardice is on par with Pettigrew's, so if he thought voldemort was on the rise, he'd have done whatever he had to to stay in his good graces.

Just saying the actual ship name is equally as funny

Perhaps Dumbledore would refuse on the basis of the curse

Yeah, not likely. Sirius would be a terrible teacher at the best of times, and especially while still dealing with profound trauma.

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Imagine Sirius's and Snape's relationship ☠️

​@@Cailus3542but no one else wanting to do it (besides Snape) is the reason the Ministry uses to insert Umbridge. Given the choice between the two, I think Dumbledore would go with Sirius

Glad I wasn't the only one who caught that

That's assuming that crooksanks ate scabbers while alive though. If it was kill first then eat then that probably wouldn't be the case of his exploding. He just would probably have like his neck or something in his mouth.

If Crookshanks is hunting Scabbers because he wants to kill Wormtail, rather than for food like a cat normally would, then he probably would not be trying to eat Scabbers.

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Home doesn't always have a positive connotation. It can be awful. In this case, Harry grew up there, and as much as he despises it, it's still home in a fundamental way. The Dursleys, as abusive as they are, are still his family (well, Petunia and Dudley are). The magic holds, although I'll bet that Dumbledore was nervous about it, knowing how fragile that charm is. He's proven right, of course. All those vengeful Death Eaters never had a chance of killing Harry while he was growing up.

Except he does, because it's the only home he's known.

@@lxena8033 Up until Hogwarts yes. But after that it's reinforced again and again that he views Hogwarts as his home.

Home is not a place. Home is a feeling. It's a feeling of safety, security, love, acceptance, and contentment. Those things Harry never knew until he finally went to Hogwarts and became friends with Ron and Hermione. Harry repeatedly thinks of Hogwarts as his home in the books, and it's because he found people who love him for him. Not the Dursley's, who abused and neglected him. And really, if Petunia shoving Harry in the cupboard under the stairs honestly qualifies enough as giving him a "home", that's pathetic. The tent that they camped in while on the run could be considered more of a true home than that sorry excuse of an effort made by Petunia, because at least Harry had Ron and Hermione with him. The Dursley's was never Harry's home. It's just a house.

@@IaMmE531 Exactly!

I know. I so thought he was going to say Remus. Wolfstar always wins. Anything for our moony.

Anything for our Moony

Agreed! Moony triumphs over all others with whom Sirius could be paired with-

My guess is that he would need to be at Hogwarts himself to remove it

@@onetwothree9Would the third task be a good time for that though? He has some time to kill before Harry reaches the end of the maze, and may be able to make a quick jaunt into hogwarts while literally every student, staff member, and spectator is on the quidditch pitch. The question is, would he be powerful enough to break past the apparition bans. Seeing as he can fly and generally has more spectacular ways of appearing, is the apparition prevention really enough to stop Voldemort? Another theory I have is, would the jinxed job have just stopped when he actually teached at hogwarts? Technically, he was attached to someone, Quirrel, who did teach at hogwarts. Does that count? Perhaps he could’ve manipulated his mind during some of his lessons, making Quirrel blurt out strange things or random, out of the blue bits of dark magic. If that’s how the jinx really works, then it ended right then and there during Harry’s first year. As for Quirrel, Lockhart, and Lupin all loosing their jobs still, Quirrel was just a pawn by Voldemort, the plan was still to receive the stone, and everything went exactly the same, Quirrel was left to die and Lockhart would teach next as usual (Also because of Quirrel’s death Dumbledore would still think the job is jinxed and would not give it to Snape). Lockhart is just happen stance, though I’ll admit it’s the hardest one to patch up as he didn’t need to go to the chamber. His arrogance would maybe make him go anyways, and even if not, I’d definitely see him being “voted out” or something by the other teachers who see through his bull. As for Lupin, his fate additionally sealed by the prophecy about Wormtail serving the Dark Lord. The events in the shack would go on, Lupin would be outed as a warewolf, and would be forced to resign. What this all leads to is a pretty interesting plot of Barty Crouch Jr teaching 5th year. I feel like what was said in this video was sort of a “nothing to lose” approach (if he knew about the jinx), and he’d be more careful knowing the jinx is gone. He wouldn’t make himself obvious, and he’d go off to teach 5th year. This would alert Dumbledore that the DADA job is no longer jinxed, and Snape would get the job 6th year (If Barty Crouch Jr is found out by then, Dumbledore would definitely prioritize Moody over Snape). This would also mean Slughorn and Umbridge never teach, and a whole lot changes starting in the 5th book. This can become a whole fic tbh

@@TG4164Voldemort hasn’t been fully “revived” yet. It’s after what happens in the graveyard, which happens after the third task

why would he? voldemort never acts on the thought of "what if". he always assumes he's gonna be successful, he thought by coming back he would kill harry immediately and then take down the wizarding world. who cares about that the dada position

Another what-if I'd like to see is, what if Crouch Junior had remained a Death Eater but had not been captured, or even suspected? Two immediate consequences spring to mind: a) with no scandal attached to his name, Crouch Senior *would* become MInister for Magic after Voldemort's first downfall; b) Crouch Junior would remain free and, most probably, join the Ministry himself (and since the Ministry is not exactly a nepotism-free environment, plus Junior is quite talented anyway, he would rise quite easily). This would mean that, on the one hand, the Minister would be a much more capable and hardened person, less likely to tolerate the likes of Lucius Malfoy; but on the other hand, he would be cultivating (unknowingly) a very gifted Death Eater in the form of his own son. I can even see a scenario where Crouch Junior would become DADA teacher *under his true name*, instead of impersonating Mad-Eye.

Copied from another reply: Home doesn't always have a positive connotation. It can be awful. In this case, Harry grew up there, and as much as he despises it, it's still home in a fundamental way. The Dursleys, as abusive as they are, are still his family (well, Petunia and Dudley are). The magic holds, although I'll bet that Dumbledore was nervous about it, knowing how fragile that charm is. He's proven right, of course. All those vengeful Death Eaters never had a chance of killing Harry while he was growing up.

I was shooked to my core cuz I was expecting him to say Remus

but James x Sirius is just too good!

I actually haven't gotten around to reading must marauders fics (I know if I do I wont stop) but I know that Wolfstar is the most common and that hp is known for their shipping wars

@@gremlin444 it makes me sad

Hogwarts legacy has evidence to suggest that he would revert on death, but it is worded so that it is unclear

Dumbledore would then ask calmly.

@@quietinsound8087 Haha 😂 nice 👍🏻

Actually, this might be the biggest 'What if' I had ever seen. Harry living with the Dursleys so vital to Harry's character from how he acts, to his world views, and even who he interacts with. Depending on where he lives the ripple effects could be huge.

He already casted a corporal Patronus during the match against Ravenclaw. Dumbledore confirms this much at the end of the book. Granted he would probably not be aware of this because he's not saving Sirius's life but I'm pretty sure he will learn that sooner then later

​@@JoshuaB1194 hmmm... Would this mean he might learn his patronus has a form when he saves Dudley from the dementors in Order of the Phoenix? Or does he rely on it sooner, I forget 🤔

@@DropsOfMars Yes, during the maze he comes face to face with a Bogart that took the form of a Dementor so yes he would know.

Harry did inherit his mother's talent. Snape just smothered it through abuse. Left to his own devices, Harry was quite capable as a potioneer, as was Ron, curiously enough.

There's also the fact hat Harry lived with the Dursley's for 10 years so there's no way he would be able to answer all of Snape's questions.

​@@JoshuaB1194 Being good at potions really doesn't have a whole lot to do with answering the questions correctly. It's about the potions you brew. Harry did inherited his mother's knack for potions. The exceed expectation mark he got in potions in his O.W.Ls proves that.

@@lxena8033 I know, I was just simply replying to his idea of Harry answering Snapes question. I am well aware that Harry is gifted in the subject

there is still crabbe and goyle. they were only silent because lucius was more powerful than their dads, if Draco is not in the picture they would be the bullies. harry would still protect neville and make it to the team. draco's existence does not make a big difference tbh

because guys aren't allowed to care about each other without being gay......

@@SgtSupaman that’s a big assumption. I didn’t say that at all. Harry and Ron care about each other without any other feelings besides friendship.

Nah nah nah nah nah they’re way too similar to each other. Idk if you like any Steddie stuff but I see James, Sirius and Remus as Robin, Steve and Eddie. Wolfstar balances out perfectly, Starbucks just winds each other up and up and up

I had written a fan fiction with that idea I had fun but he kinda took over the story I may have made him two smart but the idea was he had his wand on him and was just putting up enough of a fight that Lilly risked escaping with Harry, James got blasted away alive but finding himself in the remains of his home and Lily no longer alive.

No Doubt!

Heyy!!!!

Starbucks does have a way more funny ship name though

@@DeadBore Haha, you're not wrong 😆😆😆

What if all three? But actually wolf star is absolutely adorable and I love them. I’m also a massive jegulus fan lol

@@elfi643 I’m basically all in on All The Young Dudes ships by now. It’s overtaken all my marauders hcs

Thank you!