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In a world where Final Fantasy 7 isn't a hit... Kingdom Hearts stars Hanna-Barbara characters, the Sonic RPG is real, and Final Fantasy X is a World War 2 FPS. And what about Dragon Quest...? With just one small change, this could have been our timeline - a world where Final Fantasy never becomes popular in the West. Welcome to the Dragonverse.
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@polygon 3 года назад

If you like this, you might like our first crack at ALTERNATE HISTORIES: What if Digimon had beaten Pokemon? And hey, are there other ~ALTERNATE UNIVERSES~ you'd like to see? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ooq3GXLP2TY.html

@IsaacMayerCreativeWorks 3 года назад

I love this series and I want more of it. Suggestion: What if Gex beat Sonic for the title of Most Popular Edgy 90s Anthropomorphic Animal In A Video Game Series? An alternate history where “It’s tail time” has the memetic status that we ascribe to “Gotta go fast”

@rdpsysium7340 3 года назад

What if Blockbuster invented Steam instead of Valve?

@wannabecatboi 3 года назад

What if Dungeon Dice Monsters had actually been a hit spinoff from Yugioh?

@krizzle4rizz 3 года назад

What if the McElroys were still at Polygon?

@fmcountto123 3 года назад

What if Blizzard never brought StarCraft to Korea?

@TheNayart 3 года назад

in an alternate universe this video is presented by Jenna.

@saltypumpkin927 3 года назад

“What if final fantasy beat dragon quest?”

@seankiner5714 3 года назад

I like that Pat casually uses “Booboo’d” for Aeris before explaining its origin in the alternate universe

@obviousalias132 3 года назад

That’s because we are living in the Dragonverse but don’t even know it

@rattyeely 3 года назад

I was just willing to accept it

@nomukun1138 2 года назад

I heard it but I completely misunderstood the reference to Booboo Bear's tragic death.

@ghostshrimp5006 2 года назад

I totally didn’t catch that, damn that’s some subtle foreshadowing

@Daedalussi 3 года назад

for anyone anxious that pat might not talk about wrestling: 11:47

@polygon 3 года назад

thank you

@catsonbrooms 3 года назад

oh good I was worried

@JAY-1-2-3-4 3 года назад

666 likes oooo

@Kat-qe1vk 3 года назад

I can't believe I just watched Pat read his fanfiction, though I'm less shocked that he included "make Robotnik sexy" as a plot point

@legofmevid 3 года назад

Which is weird cus he is

@itssrhii 3 года назад

a whole series of alternate histories? hell yeah

@NesosRomanus 3 года назад

“Where Snagglepuss married Tifa Lockhart...” pat _what_, you can’t just drop that as foreshadowing and move on, this shit causes psychic damage

@IamJacksSTD 3 года назад

I'm just mad Pat didn't go with the more likely Snagglepuss and Cloud Strife. Snagglepuss ain't interested in the ladies.

@CreatrixTiara 3 года назад

@@IamJacksSTD the Snagglepuss/Cloud Strife wedding in Dragonverse Kingdom Hearts propels the gay rights movement way faster and we get marriage equality way sooner

@madelinekoh8499 3 года назад

jennas alternate history was like a hill that you slowly accelerate down, it starts with believable things and then slowly but surely starts getting more and more ridiculous, but not so much that you immediately notice. pats is like he threw me off a cliff and now i’m flailing around in the sky utterly helpless as i reach terminal velocity

@rhymeswithmoose228 3 года назад

"Gotten Cloud's sword tattooed on your body" Methinks Pat is projecting...

@superrinusblick4222 3 года назад

me thinking he is is projecting. *looks down at a body covered in big swords*

@jortsofficial173 3 года назад

I really liked how Jenna had a cooler tone to her footage for the alternate universe! Just the background makes it a little harder to remember which universe we’re in. I hope y’all consider bringing back those visual cues!

@tlblitz42 3 года назад

I think the glitch effect in the background is supposed to be the analogue here, but it's definitely subtler, and the nature of these videos bouncing back and forth between realities is that you want a very firm identifier

@jcowan8326 3 года назад

personally I thought the glitch background in this one was much cleaner and easier to distinguish than the cool tones, which felt really subtle to me. different strokes i guess

@catsonbrooms 3 года назад

would also be rad if there was some other form of visual cue- like idk costume change or something fun like that? they could switch the method from episode to episode for variety! :)

@genuineinterest 3 года назад

Honestly I wouldn't mind them using a completely different visual effect for each video in the series haha

@bryandominik 3 года назад

"Kingdom Hearts : Magilla-Drop Distance". I laughed out loud.

@jacksoninskip1614 3 года назад

So, I made a whole thesis-length comment on the first alternate history video about how I feel like this should become a series. Now I’m not saying that I’m the sole reason that this happened...but I’m also not NOT saying it either.

@MaraJinksblade 3 года назад

the final episode will have to be about what the world might be like if youd never made that comment

@polygon 3 года назад

@@MaraJinksblade i was excitedly about to make this joke but you beat me to it. alternate universe where i get to make the joke. - simone

@BoomDoop 3 года назад

So the moral was really that the FF vs DQ rivalry we all thought about never actually existed. Even in a world where FF never takes over the world, DQ doesn’t change all that much because it was never trying to take its spot in the first place, it just wanted to do what it usually does.

@fatesblade 3 года назад

**Spoilers**

@electrictroy2010 9 месяцев назад

ERROR IN VIDEO: Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square. And the alternate timeline would evolve pretty much same as now, with Final 10, 11, 12, etc looking similar to the current versions (except on Gamecube, Wii, and so on) .

@SongbirdOfficial 3 года назад

Patrick: What if, after one Sony meeting, Sakaguchi were to utter five words that would change history- Ad, interrupting: Watch League of Legends videos

@LordMogatron 3 года назад

Hell yes. What about: if ET didn't destroy the Atari?

@DylanGedig 3 года назад

No video game crash of '82 and no meteoric rise of the NES in the US, with additional competition from Atari around the world. That would be a good one!

@Rachel-xf3op 3 года назад

The game Arcade Spirits actually takes place in that alternate universe

@genuineinterest 3 года назад

Favourited comment, huh. :eyes:

@fatesblade 3 года назад

What if ET destroyed the entire home console industry and we still went to malls to play at the arcade?

@megatoonEJE 2 года назад

Or even crazier, what if ET on the Atari 2600 was cancelled before release?

@wellspokenrambler 3 года назад

Considering I’ve never played a Final Fantasy.... maybe I DO live in the Dragonverse!

@SupahTrunks7 3 года назад

Same! DQ9 sentinels of the starry skies was my first jrpg ever (besides Pokemon) and I still go back and play it. I thought the dragon verse here might involve leveraging the Toriyama connection between DQ and DBZ in international marketing (bc seeing that familiar art style was probably part of why my child self picked up a copy. It felt much safer to enter a world full of characters that resembled ones I already loved even though the series weren't related, than to investigate that strange final fantasy game with the strange belts)

@brucesewing6183 2 года назад

Search What Companies Mad Kingdom Hearts

@oliviamanning2344 3 года назад

as someone that knows very little about JRPGs, i genuinely don't think i WOULD notice if i lived in the dragonverse. thanks, pat, this is existentially terrifying.

@electrictroy2010 9 месяцев назад

ERROR: Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square. And the alternate timeline would evolve pretty much same as now, with Final 10, 11, 12, etc looking similar to the current versions (except on Gamecube, Wii, and so on) .

@Saturn-gs6wl 3 года назад

Yessssss, I’m glad it seems like the alternative history videos are becoming a series, they always feel so educational while giving me information on such a specific and odd topic it will never come up in conversation. I love it. I rewatched the what if not pokémon video a bajillion times, and I’m sure I’ll do the same with this masterpiece.

@electrictroy2010 9 месяцев назад

@Aaron-iy7rh 3 года назад

Vox Media executives, please allow Polygon to make more of this series. I like this and am engaging with it, in a way that will be pleasing to your advertisers.

@danfr 3 года назад

I like it too. And I have a RU-vid Premium subscription, which to my understanding means Vox is getting more money from me than advertisers would give them for my view and will get that even if the series has a video advertisers don't want to put ads on.

@penelopederden369 3 года назад

pat can't go a single video without mentioning wrestling and i love that for him

@suburbanindie 3 года назад

I mean... Sabin does suplex a train in FFVI

@stephenmcmullan6328 3 года назад

I for one welcome the new dystopian mainstay series of Polygon

@milenacosta8299 3 года назад

THIS IS GOING TO BE A SERIES??!?!?! THIS IS AMAZING AHSHSH

@polygon 3 года назад

Glad you're excited!

@thefollowingisatest4579 3 года назад

I can't believe you would spoil boo-boo's death like that, have you no shame Patrick?

@OccidentalAvian 3 года назад

Last time I was this early the McElroys still worked here.

@TheGrumbliestPuppy 3 года назад

Pat is the last quality video boi standing :(

@wellspokenrambler 3 года назад

@@TheGrumbliestPuppy Clayton erasure

@TheGrumbliestPuppy 3 года назад

@@wellspokenrambler I said quality boi, not adequate boi.

@youknowinhindsight 3 года назад

@@TheGrumbliestPuppy Clayton erasure

@TheGrumbliestPuppy 3 года назад

@@youknowinhindsight Clayton's boring.

@experiment35 3 года назад

Pat: What if Dragonverse Also Pat: I REJECT THE PREMISE OF MY OWN HYPOTHETICAL *flips table* thing whole thing STINKS

@BoomDoop 3 года назад

I never expected Sonic to come out as the surprise winner of this thought experiment, but somehow it just makes perfect sense.

@electrictroy2010 9 месяцев назад

Disagree. Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square. And the alternate timeline would evolve pretty much same as now, with FF 10, 11, 12, etc looking similar to the current versions (except on Gamecube, Wii, and so on) .

@Storibooks 3 года назад

me reading the "Alternate History Explained" title: HELL YEAH LET'S GOOOOOO

@liammcnicholas918 3 года назад

Right now, someone is writing a Snagglepuss X Tifa fanfiction.

@polygon 3 года назад

im gonna delete the video

@tsucube4377 2 года назад

@@polygon This isn't signed by anyone. This comment was unanimous decision by everyone and I mean everyone at Polygon

@krell.1415 3 года назад

This turning into a series is awesome.

@RougeMephilesClone 3 года назад

Ah yes, exploring that enigmatic alternate history known only as "Japan".

@WTFPr0m 3 года назад

In all the infinite possibilities of a multiverse branching out from every fraction of a split microsecond, there is STILL not a single universe in which Nomura isn't adding belts to stuff

@electrictroy2010 9 месяцев назад

ERROR IN VIDEO: Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square. And the alternate timeline would evolve pretty much same as now, with FF 10, 11, 12, etc looking similar to the current versions (except on Gamecube, Wii, and so on) .

@kmmmm150 3 года назад

Kingdom hearts with hanna barbera characters is SO CURSED

@iaxacs3801 3 года назад

And just like that a KH mod of Magilla-Drop Distance is about to be put into being

@brucesewing6183 2 года назад

Yeah It Might Be A Nightmare

@Booieann 3 года назад

Did he really just want to talk about an alternate sonic universe? cause it felt like those were the parts he was hype for

@Orph_ne 3 года назад

That's the next video. The lore builds!

@kylekyle4169 3 года назад

PAT I'VE MISSED YOU. I mean I love everybody at polygon but I feel like I haven't gotten any Pat in too long

@kaylaosborn5570 3 года назад

Same. This topic is very far from my gaming preference but I’ll watch and support the hell out of anything my Pat Gill does!

@SparkyUpstart 3 года назад

Dragon Quest wins...by not losing...that’s deep

@vasil3ubr33 3 года назад

Ahhh, loved the sentiment that doing groundbreaking stuff is great, but making reliably comforting stuff is also good. Something that i needed to har tbh. Excited about the series!

@Kasaaz 3 года назад

"But why imagine when you have a PlayStation?" out of context is one of the my dystopian sentences ever uttered...

@jortsofficial173 3 года назад

I’ve watched the Pokémon video so many times. This is everything I’ve wanted…other than more cyberpunk

@adeelahmed3768 3 года назад

Really hope you guys do an alternate history video with Shin Megami Tensei these videos are so educational and I want more people to learn the greatness that is SMT lmao

@blackshoed3550 3 года назад

Yeah, please do. Like what if Megami Tensei 2 was released as a hit in the US

@violaglubok1931 2 года назад

OMG That sounds hilarious. Imagine if a super censored new version came out, and Atlus just went full family friendly. It just becomes the pokemon of our world, b/c they rename all the demons to have fake names instead of real myths.

@emerz3530 3 года назад

I'm all here for these Alternate Histories

@polygon 3 года назад

hurrah!

@rachelrachel9152 3 года назад

That "what if he said 5 different words to sony" bit immediately cut into a commercial abt oats lol

@the_quintsly 3 года назад

What if he said 5 different words to Sony: "Buy my oats! Please? Pleeeeeeease?"

@Yozobebe 3 года назад

Mine was "I upgraded my soap"

@LutraLovegood 3 года назад

"A cart racer" They did, it's called Chocobo Racing. They also did the minigames, on the DS, with Fable Chocobo

@WUBRGer_King 3 года назад

I've been wondering when Jenna would do another alternate history video similar to the Pokemon/Digimon one. Glad to see this becoming a series!

@alanscott2517 3 года назад

I have a hard time imagining that in a universe where Final Fantasy VII isn't a major cultural phenomenon that Spirits Within would be a thing.

@66Roses 3 года назад

You know that anime thing? That is almost inescapably ubiquitous? Where the Hero fights against the Demon Lord. Yeah. That's all Dragon Quest 3.

@Kasaaz 3 года назад

Oh no, I just realized in the Dragonverse we don't get YoshiP. Cursed.

@ramirezer2302 3 года назад

A universe where the dreamcast is a success and we got a 4th one. I'm in baby

@brucesewing6183 2 года назад

Yes More Sega Love Next Stop The Dragonverse

@The_Vible 3 года назад

I mean, a lot of people still brag about how much they enjoyed DQ8

@thetramp123 3 года назад

Pat: "Now, how can I get wrestling into this pitch..."

@AzizidarkReborn 3 года назад

I've never been big of FF or DQ, but somehow I'm shook after this. Thank you for the psychic damage, Patrick. I will never be the same.

@sophiahardy8177 3 года назад

Love that according to Polygon lore, Crash Bandicoot is a real person.

@Anastazjas 3 года назад

Y’all did a great job with the graphics in this video. I kept pausing to read the articles and check out the dragonverse memes

@menacinghedgehog 3 года назад

YESSSS MY DRAGON QUEST NICHE HAS BEEN FIT, I FEEL CATERED TO

@ripleyanactualghost5864 3 года назад

oh dang, do we have more Pat art in this one? i love seeing his stuff show up in videos

@genuineinterest 3 года назад

I think you guys have found your new hit. Please continue these - I know nothing about Final Fantasy _or_ Dragon Quest, but I was hooked from start to finish. I'm not going to compare that to any particular other hit series on this channel - and neither should anyone else *cough* - because this is its own thing. But when you can hook people like me into a 20-minute video about something they know nothing about, I think that means it's a good series. Amazing job so far, both this and the Digiverse video were incredibly compelling. Be proud.

@polygon 3 года назад

yayyyy, glad you enjoyed it! we've got more in the works!

@aimelle3 3 года назад

Yay it's here! Finally! You've hinted at making this a series before and I'm so happy it's happening!

@blakelively3242 3 года назад

This video front to back was a joy to watch, but I actually cackled on your final question. So glad to see more of these alternate history videos!

@Flavershum 3 года назад

Goddd Kingdom Hearts with Hanna Barbara charactersss. The psychic damage that did to me

@LagrimaArdiente 3 года назад

"Final Fantasy Re-vision" I love you guys.

@paralyzedpengi 3 года назад

thank you pat for these incredible alternate video game history memes, shitposting really is the same in all universes

@golden_starlight_ 3 года назад

i love how even when final fantasy loses it still wins. i feel like everyone loves the franchise so much that we literally cant see it fail

@pacharaniyomkong3340 3 года назад

Every verse is actually Dragonverse in Japan. I means you expect three geniuses at game design(Horii), art direction(Toriyama) and composer(Sugiyama). To create unsuccessful product in their own turf?

@_Baku 3 года назад

I'm so here for another interesting series at polygon - Overboard has been the only thing keeping me around for the last year or so. Although, I can't help but want to see a little more of Pat's chaotic energy let loose in the next one. (also I see you updating those old jackbox videos, I know you know what the people want. bring back weird polygon)

@patrickoshea2889 3 года назад

Big fan of this alternate history stuff. Keep it up!

@litewavegames3967 3 года назад

So the answer to “what if dragon quest beat final fantasy” turns out to ultimately be “it can’t.”

@ambermiller3751 3 года назад

so incredibly hyped about this concept becoming a series omg. this is so excellent thanks for my life

@mattardis 3 года назад

Just wanna say I LOVE these alternate universe videos and would love to keep seeing more of them

@Sporkmo 3 года назад

Damn, this started out as a fuckin fever dream and ended up being truly insightful

@dylanrice4126 3 года назад

Truly America's wisest gamer. 10/10 well done Pat!

@laxku 3 года назад

Patrick this video was spectacular, great work dude

@dappercuttlefish9557 3 года назад

This is cool as hell. I love the combination of learning about the history of Final Fantasy and how it shaped gaming alongside alternate universe memes and bonkers Sonic content.

@electrictroy2010 9 месяцев назад

ERROR IN VIDEO: Without the CGI experience from FF7 on the PS1, Square would not be able to create a theatrical movie. They would continue to be a financially healthy company making RPGs for Nintendo 64. The gamecube in 2001 would finally allow them to add full 3D and cinematics to the Final Fantasy lineup. FF10 would be a huge success. The original creators would still be at Square. And the alternate timeline would evolve pretty much same as now, with FF 10, 11, 12, etc looking similar to the current versions (except on Gamecube, Wii, and so on) .

@oliverstaunton10 3 года назад

What a great video! My new favourite channel!

@zainabd.1333 3 года назад

my therapist: warner bros kingdom hearts isn't real, it can't hurt you pat:

@brucesewing6183 2 года назад

You might Wanna Change It To Hanna Barbera

@xSSFFSSx 3 года назад

"Sega's deep pockets" is a Natalie Portman in Garden State 'something that no one's ever said or done before' move

@maxxcurtis4418 3 года назад

I love that this series is both an entertaining spiral into insanity as things go more and more off the rails _and_ a genuinely interesting exploration of the real world history of popular franchises. It seems like every Polygon video these days is educational in some way and I'm glad to see that's continuing with this series!

@oyasumiruby2751 3 года назад

i'm glad this is getting a series! can't wait to see more!

@angelaquinton 3 года назад

Pat's videos continue to get me invested and excited about topics I previously knew nothing about.

@crimsoninsight97 3 года назад

"What if Digimon Won": Jenna expressing how much she loved Digimon "What if Dragon Quest Won": Pat expressing how he doesn't really get Final Fantasy and admits that his beloved Dragon Quest couldn't really become a cultural icon

@pinstripeowl 3 года назад

I have never played any of these games, but Polygon alternate reality thought experiments are _so good_ I was really interested despite that! So excited that this is becoming a series - congrats to the vid team.

@ed4165 3 года назад

I always look forward to your videos, thank you for your hard work!

@beretperson 3 года назад

Wtf was anyone going to tell me Kissinger was still alive?

@polygon 3 года назад

This is also how I learned about that - Simone

@RampagingPixie 3 года назад

Dude should DEFINITELY be in hell by now

@beretperson 8 месяцев назад

@@polygon DING DONG THE WAR CRIMINAL IS DEAD!!!!

@ShinjiSixteen 3 года назад

I loved Jenna's Digimon video, and Pat is equally knocking it out of the park. I'm completely on board with this being a series and I'm excited what could come next

@antimonymedusa 3 года назад

This is an incredibly cool series. I love that you’re doing this.

@Brenderous 3 года назад

i like the line "but why imagine when you have a playstation?"

@ye_olde_wizard 3 года назад

Wild ride, Pat. Thank you.

@iammyselfaswell 3 года назад

i absolutely love these style videos from you guys

@Chaoshand 3 года назад

I would actually absolutely love it if Barret randomly said things like "lucky duck" in the middle of his usual rants

@ethan-loves 3 года назад

I love where this video ended up. Thanks for the wisdom!

@Cheerwine091 3 года назад

17:00 “It finds moderate success as a free-to-play gacha loot shooter” This kills me. Because I know I would play that game.

@zorys9947 3 года назад

hell yeah ALTERNATE HISTORIE! love the idea please do more!!

@KingOfDoma 3 года назад

A... a running series from Polygon since Brian left? YES! YES! PUT IT IN MY VEEEEEEEEEEINS! Also, for an episode idea? If any of the Halo-killers actually killed Halo. Take your pick. I think Haze would be the funniest example.

@mimicranch 3 года назад

This video has even stronger Jon Bois vibes than normal Polygon content

@MegaNocab 3 года назад

Is the dimension this is from the fumble dimension?

@deabreu.tattoo 3 года назад

0:40 a game so ahead of its time it came out 4 years before its console

@alastairetaru 3 года назад

This was really great, definitely going to watch more!

@geistincarnate 3 года назад

Loving these alternate histories-would love to see another if such a thing is in the works!

@MookyMc 3 года назад

Maybe add the caveat “in the west” because DQ still sells like crazy in Japan

@MookyMc 3 года назад

@@Avendesora yeah, and I think by not saying it up front is a kind of click bait. Its fine he says it eventually. Earlier would be better though.

@MookyMc 3 года назад

@@Avendesora i think it relates. The title is misleading, as if DQ doesn’t sell. As if DQ isn’t a lucrative franchise. It is, but more so in Japan. The initial sales numbers for the most recent entries confirms DQ XI outsold FF XV. The title makes it sound like DQ is a dead franchise when its clearly not. All I’m saying is the title should just say “in the West” because it seems disingenuous. Also, there’s really nothing to get angry about here. Idk whats up with your last comment, but we’re just two people talking about games we both like. Final Fantasy is chill.

@MookyMc 3 года назад

@@Avendesora the word “beat” insinuates one is defeated. So, thats probably where my issue comes from. Sorry I mistook your confusion with me for anger. Emotions can be hard to read over text.

@rdpsysium7340 3 года назад

"It has no conversation wheels and it can't fuck." Same could be said about me, Pat. Deep cuts.