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What if Fredo Replaced Michael Corleone & Became The Godfather? Was this Hyman Roth's Plan? 

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What if Fredo Corleone Became The Godfather? What was Hyman Roths Real Plan to Get
Have you ever thought what would have happened if Michael was taken out, leaving Fredo, who was the underboss in charge, what if Hyman Roths plan did indeed follow through and Michael wasn’t that lucky. What exactly would have happened to the Corleone Family dynasty?
Roth had orchestrated such an eloquent plan, cornering the most powerful criminal empire, the world had ever seen, But as we know his plan initially failed and was altered, to accomodate the new circumstances. But what if Hyman Roth actually succeeded the first time, leaving Fredo as the last Corleone member in charge. What would happen and How would the Corleone mafia empire look, under the reign of Don Fredo?
We discussed in one of our previous videos, why Hyman Roth wanted to destroy the Corleone family, but we didn’t unveil exactly how he was going to achieve his goal.
Roths plan was very elaborate and had been in the works for years, but here is the summary.
In the years following the death of his close friend and business partner, Moe Greene, Roth accepted the situation and continued on as usual. But he had never truly forgotten about this and swore to avenge his friend. However Roth was very Machiavellian and extremely intelligent. He did indeed know exactly who was responsible, but he waited for the perfect opportunity.
And perfect opportunity would soon present itself. Hyman Roth and his right hand man, Johnny Ola, had major interests in Las Vegas and so when the young and ambitious Michael Corleone made his presence known in Nevada, it seemed that fate had finally gave Roth the opportunity he was yearning for. But it was not going to be easy and so he began implementing his master plan.
In this Video we will analyse What exactly Hyman Roths plan really was, How Fredo would take over and become the Godfather? And unveil whether or not Fredo would last in the most important position in the mafia 🌹
detailed perspectives of Both Michael AND Fredo, to finally be able to have a crystal clear view of both their hidden motivations and thoughts, that we haven't seen before.
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@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
Hope You Enjoyed the Video💯 This is the first episode of a series where we look at all sorts of "what if" scenarios, Let me know what scenarios you want to see 🤔 I've been planning this series for a while, so very exited to finally get into it 🔥
@Jman417
@Jman417 2 года назад
Tom Haggin would be a better replacement for don. Michael talked to him about it.
@conastycorleone5261
@conastycorleone5261 2 года назад
Tom Haggin Living The American🇺🇸 Dream A Street Orphan Turned Mafioso Family Boss🤔 Too Much Marinara Sauce
@user-iy6rm6pm4j
@user-iy6rm6pm4j 2 года назад
What if Kaye lied about the abortion and hid Michael's youngest son from him? It is kind of murky because Tom thought she had miscarried? How did she hide a visit to the abortion doctor from Tom when he wouldn't even let her go out shopping? Or did she use a coat hanger? But she told Michael "I had it killed" she didn't say "I killed it."
@radicalross7700
@radicalross7700 2 года назад
I always believed that it was at least possible that Kay lied to Michael about her miscarriage being an abortion because she knew Michael wouldn't try to stop her from leaving him. If Michael believed it was a miscarriage he would have forced Kay to stay so they could try to have another baby. An abortion, on the other hand, was unforgivable to Michael.
@riddohlagno2428
@riddohlagno2428 2 года назад
Do you have any plans to make a video on vincent???how he would be as a don....how would he rule the corleone empire..... What could have happened to the corleone empire after he took over from micheal.... very eager to know that
@domb9110
@domb9110 2 года назад
Impossible, but even Connie would’ve even been a better “Don” than Fredo 😂
@Falcone807
@Falcone807 2 года назад
yep
@perceivedvelocity9914
@perceivedvelocity9914 2 года назад
It would never happen but Connie was definitely the best choice.
@chrishughes9399
@chrishughes9399 2 года назад
Enzo the Baker would've made a Better Don than Fredo!
@keithharper1470
@keithharper1470 2 года назад
She proved her mettle in part 3
@ImDino
@ImDino 2 года назад
My exact thought
@truefitness2622
@truefitness2622 2 года назад
Fredo would have sold the whole family business for jar of magic Beans
@alneri8327
@alneri8327 2 года назад
To a cocktail waitress
@kaustubh_ramteke_07
@kaustubh_ramteke_07 2 года назад
@@alneri8327 2 at a time
@user-nn5tr5ei2c
@user-nn5tr5ei2c 2 года назад
@@kaustubh_ramteke_07 Players couldn't get a drink at table.
@rauljuarez3884
@rauljuarez3884 2 года назад
😂... Damm you 😂😂😂😂
@IamHindu7369
@IamHindu7369 2 года назад
He would get a sakalaka boom boom pencil 🤣🤣🤣😜😜😜
@thequietrevolution3404
@thequietrevolution3404 2 года назад
_"Fredo? He's got a good heart. But he's weak and he's stupid. And this is life and death."_ ~ *Michael Corleone,* "The Godfather Part 2."
@kevinerives8975
@kevinerives8975 4 месяца назад
heart wrenching at the end he did not have a good heart unu
@bluevioletandlilac
@bluevioletandlilac 2 года назад
I actually like Fredo and feel sorry for him, but if he'd ever been made Don, the Family would've ceased to exist within a couple months at most. The mafia's full of predators and Fredo's a prey animal.
@gregwatson8219
@gregwatson8219 2 года назад
Ola and Fredo were secretly gay
@egala005
@egala005 2 года назад
@@gregwatson8219 how so?
@justmeeagainn
@justmeeagainn 2 года назад
You like a traitor?
@bluevioletandlilac
@bluevioletandlilac 2 года назад
@@justmeeagainn Well, 1) as much as I also like Michael, and as effective of a Don as he is, he's ruthless, sociopathic, and not altogether sympathetic; and 2) Fredo never could've been the Don for obvious reasons, but sheer birth order means that after Michael's ascension, the poor guy's life pretty much became a long line of humiliations, put downs, and being excluded. Michael never exactly did much to soothe the blow of being stepped over, as Vito would've tried to do. That, of course, doesn't give Fredo the right to help with a hit--and I really do believe he knew it was going to be a hit--but his motivations are understandable. He's not evil, just stupid, easily manipulated, and dealing with a massively wounded ego.
@princessmarlena1359
@princessmarlena1359 2 года назад
@@bluevioletandlilac “Never go against the family.”
@MONO4608
@MONO4608 2 года назад
If Fredo became the godfather, there wouldn’t be a trilogy
@dthomas1583
@dthomas1583 2 года назад
That would have been a good thing
@MONO4608
@MONO4608 2 года назад
@@dthomas1583 you’re right
@mohammedkhadeer9887
@mohammedkhadeer9887 2 года назад
Yes, John Cazale died 4 years after the release of The Godfather 2, and a third film would have been extremely difficult to produce.
@rasheemthebestfirstone3274
@rasheemthebestfirstone3274 2 года назад
@@mohammedkhadeer9887 damn what happened to him
@mohammedkhadeer9887
@mohammedkhadeer9887 2 года назад
@@rasheemthebestfirstone3274 He was diagnosed with cancer
@ericipo
@ericipo 2 года назад
Fredo never got the love and respect he truly desired from everyone-But much RESPECT to John Cazale-🌺🙏Rest In Paradise to such an incredible actor who acted in many of my favorite movies!!!!
@randallkoch6215
@randallkoch6215 2 года назад
You said it. I don't think any body could have tackled the role of Fredo like he did.
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
Absolutely 💯🙌
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
John Cazale is just simply incredible, and when you hear how other actors like Pacino and Deniro talk about his acting methods etc, it just shows how underrated he really is.
@rasheemthebestfirstone3274
@rasheemthebestfirstone3274 2 года назад
Rip🙏🏽🙏🏽
@seandoyle2983
@seandoyle2983 2 года назад
So so right.
@clearspira
@clearspira 2 года назад
Even Connie has more balls than Fredo - and she doesn't have any. For me it comes down to one thing: what does Tom Hagen do? He is the kingmaker in this scenario. Either Fredo takes him on as an adviser and listens to him, or Tom ends up staging a coup d'tat. There is no scenario in which Fredo defeats Hyman Roth alone.
@wstsider
@wstsider 2 года назад
If this did happen I think Tom would of been fredo’s advisor and Tom would of been the man in charge but Fredo would of just been the face of the family
@blackphillip564
@blackphillip564 2 года назад
Tom is German-Irish. He can't do anything other than follow orders in the Sicilian mob. If the family falls apart, Tom gathers his family, moves out West and starts a legitimate law practice and get's a weekend home next to Sinatra out in the desert.
@williamr5371
@williamr5371 2 года назад
“I’m smaaaart I can do things”
@Kingwithoutathrone
@Kingwithoutathrone 2 года назад
Not dumb! Like everyone says, I'm smhart!
@williamr5371
@williamr5371 2 года назад
@@Kingwithoutathrone Haha.
@fatmansatchel1017
@fatmansatchel1017 2 года назад
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@TheRenegadeCrew
@TheRenegadeCrew 2 года назад
Poor poor fredo Lmaoo 🤣🤣🤣
@tinafoster8665
@tinafoster8665 2 года назад
@@williamr5371 Hehe not dumb like everyone says, Fredo did do some things well, snort coke, bang cocktail waitresses two at a time, and set up parties with hookers catering n an Italian combo lol
@porflepopnecker4376
@porflepopnecker4376 2 года назад
In Godfather 3, Connie actually was the acting Don while Michael was in the hospital. Vincent and Al came to her for permission to kill Zaza, and after considering it she said "DO IT!" Only then did they feel authorized to act.
@MarineCorpsSergeantTollens
@MarineCorpsSergeantTollens 2 года назад
She always had more balls than Fredo. The harshness of life toughened her up.
@offworlder1
@offworlder1 Год назад
@@MarineCorpsSergeantTollens After all she went through no shit, she got a horrible deal in her first marriage and things got worse for her for years before things got better.
@MarineCorpsSergeantTollens
@MarineCorpsSergeantTollens Год назад
@@offworlder1 But when she was going to marry Troy Donahue, she was a loose woman. She DGAF her kids from Carlo. She was a selfish B. Finally she realized that she could be a modern woman, if she was under the protection of the family. Just be Michael's big sister Connie. Everything else is going to fall into place. She was the mastermind behind whacking out Eli Wallach with the poisoned cannoli's. That gavone, literally ate himself to death.
@dmartig1
@dmartig1 2 года назад
It's not clear in the movie but in the book Michael intentionally played weak for over a year (per Vito's instruction) just to be underestimated and have the opportunity to wipe everyone out in one swoop. Tessio betrayed Michael because Barzini was on the brink of taking over all of his territory.
@user-iy6rm6pm4j
@user-iy6rm6pm4j 2 года назад
So now the family's enemies wouldn't know if Fredo was really as weak and stupid as everyone says or was just playing the patsy to sucker them into Michael's posthumous trap?
@dmartig1
@dmartig1 2 года назад
@@user-iy6rm6pm4j The other families actually respected Michael but they felt he was too inexperienced to be any kind of threat yet
@PhantomFilmAustralia
@PhantomFilmAustralia 2 года назад
Like an old lion lying under a tree, looking to see which hyenas dare to take a bite out of him.
@abubakarahmadu4476
@abubakarahmadu4476 2 года назад
Can relate to your comment. Spot on it did take a year of planning as per Vito's advice captured in the line try not to be careless. Nice observation, proves patience pays off in the end.
@mphrdldn
@mphrdldn 2 года назад
@@user-iy6rm6pm4j û
@Guillermo_Carratero
@Guillermo_Carratero 2 года назад
Fredo could handle things, he was smart!! Not like everybody said, like dumb!!! He was SMART!!!
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
😂
@miguelpreza2364
@miguelpreza2364 2 года назад
And we want respect for him
@EvonneLindiwe
@EvonneLindiwe 2 года назад
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@dakingltroyproductofdade3579
@dakingltroyproductofdade3579 2 года назад
Lmao nice 🤣😂😭😭
@SeattlePioneer
@SeattlePioneer 2 года назад
Heh, heh! jarittos 013, you get to go fishing in the rowboat, right next to Fredo!
@MindfulAttraction
@MindfulAttraction 2 года назад
Idk why but the title made me instinctively giggle lol don Fredo 😂😂
@zeepickens2712
@zeepickens2712 2 года назад
*Ikr!!!!* 😂😭😃🤣
@traex8325
@traex8325 2 года назад
I instantly imagined the John Wick house blowing up.
@janicemartin3012
@janicemartin3012 2 года назад
😂 me too...LOL Don Fredo!
@majormoves4596
@majormoves4596 2 года назад
Lmfao
@aaronhines9810
@aaronhines9810 2 года назад
Me too😂😂😂
@TheMotz55
@TheMotz55 2 года назад
Consider this scenario. Fredo is devastated by Michael's assassination and vows to protect the family. He turns to Tom Hagen, who grew up with Fredo and knows his limitations. Fredo gives Tom the task of rebuilding the family by recruiting a new generation of street smart wise guys. The duo works. Fredo becomes more cunning but continues to play dumb to outsiders while a powerful Tom works behind the scenes to make the Corleone's more agile. Roth never realizes the new dynamics and succumbs to a heart attack, real or perceived.
@radicalross7700
@radicalross7700 2 года назад
Would that be the same type of "perceived" heart attack that felled Clemenza? Must be contagious.
@williamthomas1811
@williamthomas1811 2 года назад
Fredonia was dumb, it wasn't an act. Tom would have taken over immediately.
@gildos2
@gildos2 2 года назад
Tom grew within the family since he was a child. He is a brother for Micheal. When he realizes the betray of Fredo, he will immediately get rid of him. Furthermore, nobody could stop Al Neri to shot Fredo, as soon as he understand what he did. The idea of Fredo taking the control of the family is so absurd that the only possible right comment is the one of Michael Corleone to Fredo: “And you believed that story? You believed that?”.
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
That would have ben the perfect and probably the only way the Corleone family would survive,
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
But the thing is, Fredo is not very "smaaart", and doesnt have the intelligence or foresight to actually think of this, but maybe Tom would convince Fredo, and just use him as you mentioned.
@janconner2087
@janconner2087 2 года назад
In the end, Al Neri would become boss.
@soundshape6496
@soundshape6496 2 года назад
That’s what eventually happens in these situations
@sharlawya6868
@sharlawya6868 2 года назад
Not a bad choice.
@billprash3507
@billprash3507 2 года назад
Tom Hagen could not have taken over as he isn't Italian. Yes, it does matter.
@joeyc8622
@joeyc8622 2 года назад
Sri had previously been a cop so most likely not.
@janconner2087
@janconner2087 2 года назад
@@joeyc8622 since it’s a movie and he was already a made guy and Michael’s #2, the possibility is very real. That’s just like Tom Hagen being Consigliere of the Corleone Family, right?
@DalekOfChaos666
@DalekOfChaos666 2 года назад
Could you do a What if Sonny lived? Let's say Tom was able to quell Sonny's rage or Vito warned Sonny about a probable assassination attempt and was able to talk Sonny into sending someone else in his stead and they find the person Sonny sent was dead and the rival families realize they fucked up.
@mariolisa2832
@mariolisa2832 2 года назад
That would be cool asf
@edwardmorales347
@edwardmorales347 2 года назад
That's all good but sonny was a hot head acted first then thought like the mind of a warrior a gladiator a fighter either way they would got to Santinio
@emmanuelrobles96
@emmanuelrobles96 2 года назад
wow great comment & ideas
@lostsoul3089
@lostsoul3089 2 года назад
It would be nice, but also difficult because of that hot head of him
@edwinho8
@edwinho8 2 года назад
Sonny’s lack of control (with anger, violence, women, etc) would have seen him become a bad don, as the Don himself knew.
@dmartig1
@dmartig1 2 года назад
The original Godfather III script was Tom Hagen challenging Michael but they would not pay Robert Duvall so instead we got some jumbled script with George Hamilton and Sophia Coppola.
@dthomas1583
@dthomas1583 2 года назад
That shit was horrible but Tom wasn't Italian so that's also a horrible idea
@mymusic8414
@mymusic8414 2 года назад
I think Robert Duvall want the same treatment that James caan received for godfather part 2, which was a boatload of money for that scene at the end. In fact James caan was the highest paid actor in part 2.
@banaabekwegirl5731
@banaabekwegirl5731 Год назад
Props to Sophia Coppola, she does a great job with what she's given, and her chemistry with Andy Garcia is smoking.
@dmartig1
@dmartig1 Год назад
@@banaabekwegirl5731 Her performance is historically bad. It’s a barometer to judge other bad movies. She was all so so young and her scenes with Garcia were uncomfortable. But she was just a kid and her dad put her in that awkward position:
@CigsRBadMmkay
@CigsRBadMmkay 4 месяца назад
I'm glad they never went with that and tainted what was built up. They would've completely destroyed the character of Tom after what he went through in 1 & 2. Tom is the epitome of loyalty of the highest caliber. His unwavering steadfast loyalty in light of extremely unfair and unfavorable circumstances is a true testament to a prevailing theme in the trilogy that "Blood does not necessarily mean family, and family does not necessarily mean blood". It's a good thing that they went with that god awful script than completely cast him in that sort of light. For me, Godfather ended with the second one, the third is a stand alone film in itself.
@rashardstallworth9240
@rashardstallworth9240 2 года назад
It’s amazing how many Fredos think their Vito and Michael
@nagone11
@nagone11 Год назад
Very true.
@georgemoomaw9437
@georgemoomaw9437 Год назад
I, and Chris Como, resent that remark. We’re smaat
@bryanwong1625
@bryanwong1625 2 года назад
The book says that succession is not based on familial ties, but from rank and merit. That is why tessio was mad at michael for skipping over everyone
@Aven-Sharma1991
@Aven-Sharma1991 2 года назад
Traditionally in the mafia, the succession to boss goes to the oldest son unless he is incapable ie. If he is severely mentally or physically disabled. It’s a tight familial thing
@Brando-UK
@Brando-UK 7 месяцев назад
@@Aven-Sharma1991that rarely ever is the way. Gotti Jr is the only instance I can think of. If the boss position comes open and the boss hadn’t named a successor then the underboss would become boss. If the whole administration was taken out or arrested then your captains would get together and vote and that’s where you would get the top of the volcano.
@WarTheory
@WarTheory 2 года назад
Fredo would have been godfather for literally two seconds than one to the back of his head...
@tinafoster8665
@tinafoster8665 2 года назад
Even Connie could knock off Fredo n probly without a pistol roflmao
@WarTheory
@WarTheory 2 года назад
@James Hagan ummm no....The Corleone businesses would all be absorbed by the other 4 families...
@phatlewt2932
@phatlewt2932 2 года назад
shut your mouth or he'll belt your teeth
@tinafoster8665
@tinafoster8665 2 года назад
@@phatlewt2932 yes at the dinner after the confirmation, Fredo's wife who is obviously a former cocktail waitress lol is dancing with that f***** Mook Merle, more like stumbling than dancing n Mike just gives Rocko the nod. THAT'S POWER, but yes Fredo starts trying to control her n says I'll belt you or something n she SLAPS FREDO, n laughs "you couldn't belt your mama" n then Rocko politely consults Fredo, that never occurred how cool Rocko is, he's ten times as tough as Fredo, TWENTY times lol but defers to him out of respect
@markmac2206
@markmac2206 2 года назад
from his own gun. that dude could get 3rd degree burns from cold milk.
@chalkboy8
@chalkboy8 2 года назад
Poor Fredo.... dying in that boating accident.
@tinafoster8665
@tinafoster8665 2 года назад
Yes that was unfortunate, when the domestic service manager reported that a guest of the estate, who's related to the estate's owners, was out fishing in a powered rowboat alone n is now hours overdue. So the cops had the lake patrol search, who found a rowboat with a small motor adrift near the center of Lake Tahoe, with some fishing gear, an empty gas tank, a lunch box with a chicken sandwich n a nearly empty bottle of liquor in it, NO oars n a life jacket. So Connie or Michael would have had to sign the missing persons stuff, local LE investigates, local DA concludes matter by having a judge declare Fredo Corleone deceased, cause of death, probable drowning, inexperienced boater fishing while drunk, runs out of fuel, realizes hes miles from shore without paddles n when night falls, somehow falls overboard, realizes his lifejacket is in the boat, panics, n in the dark can't even find the boat n drowns. Unusual but not unheard of for drowning victim to sink if he was real thin, in any case with no reason to suspect foul play it's over. No one else speculates about the details, just "boating accident" but it's more complicated cuz of the body not being found, obviously cuz he'd been shot in the back of the head .
@robertb.593
@robertb.593 2 года назад
This is not a boat accident!
@MarineCorpsSergeantTollens
@MarineCorpsSergeantTollens 2 года назад
That’s why your folks tell you to wait at least for an hour after eating before you go swimming. Total boating accident and it’s a shame his body was never found.
@robertmasina7388
@robertmasina7388 4 месяца назад
What boating "accident"? His death was premeditated by his brother.
@racheldavin7763
@racheldavin7763 2 года назад
Now that's the video I want to see...Tom Hagen vs. Hyman Roth. Book smarts vs. Street smarts
@tinafoster8665
@tinafoster8665 2 года назад
Lol Tom Hagen was too ethical to beat Roth, I think Michael "cut Tom out" of "certain areas" PRECISELY BECAUSE he was so susceptible to side offers. Mike made it clear Tom was NOT TO OMIT ANY information about that, "I heard that you've been offered the management of some hotels in Las vegas, I heard that", n "Mike I turned them down do I have to tell you about every offer I turn down do i", and then Mike says, stupid. Roth nearly got Tom killed JUST by doing that, these guys are some real psychos
@racheldavin7763
@racheldavin7763 2 года назад
@@tinafoster8665 All Tom had to do is kill Johnny Ola & wait for Roth to die as he was already circling the proverbial drain.
@perceivedvelocity9914
@perceivedvelocity9914 2 года назад
@@racheldavin7763 Roth was going to live forever. They mentioned in the movie that he had been "dying" for 20 years.
@tinafoster8665
@tinafoster8665 2 года назад
@@racheldavin7763 OH I forgot about Tom, you're right, he'd have the respect contacts n power of attorney over the whole circus, he'd know Fredo was a f***** rat n knock him off, he'd get Connie a chunk a change anyhoo but you think Tom REALLY wants to be Don? He'd make sure Mike's interests were covered, trusts bequeathments etc maybe something to Sonny's mistress lol so Vincent doesn't have to work for Joey Zazza
@racheldavin7763
@racheldavin7763 2 года назад
@@perceivedvelocity9914 Sure, but now he's 20 years closer to death. Plus his health sucks anyway. I was always under the impression that Roth wasn't faking the illness part.
@arthur12286
@arthur12286 2 года назад
It would have been hilarious to see. The movie would become a comedy
@alneri8327
@alneri8327 2 года назад
There's no better parody of Godfather than part 3
@tommieclay4584
@tommieclay4584 2 года назад
"He would make all the possible wrong decisions" lmao that is the best line in this whole video about Fredo
@goldenbear8250
@goldenbear8250 2 года назад
Fredo could NEVER be the Don. As Michael told Hagen in II, Fredo is "weak, and he's stupid. And this is life and death".
@bignasty1876
@bignasty1876 2 года назад
He would've lost EVERYTHING to a little 8 year old girl over a game of rocks-paper-scissors.
@vincenthoward19
@vincenthoward19 2 года назад
This one cracked me up! 😂😂😂
@alneri8327
@alneri8327 2 года назад
You don't come to Las Vegas and talk to little 8 year old girl LIKE THAT!
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
Lmao 😂
@flintironstag2381
@flintironstag2381 2 года назад
Oh come on! Give him some credit! It would have been a game of hopscotch....
@kaustubh_ramteke_07
@kaustubh_ramteke_07 2 года назад
lol lol lol
@kainowak
@kainowak 2 года назад
Great take! I believe that fredo would be a horrible Don. He would not be able to do the things that michael could do. He is just simply not made for the job
@wraynephew6838
@wraynephew6838 2 года назад
Fredo was not respected even within his own family. How can you possibly conceive that others in the family would allow Fredo to run it even if Michael was gone. It would be an impossibility.
@irreduciblerascal
@irreduciblerascal 2 года назад
Michael Corleone to Tom Hagen "Freddo has a good heart, but he's stupid, and this is life and death." Tom Hagen would know that and have crushed Freddo. As for being Hyman Roth's adversary, he had a great mentor with the one and only Vito Corleone, the right Consiglieri, and the power Michael Corleone accumulated. If Tom Hagen could maintain, I think Tom Hagen could crush Hyman Roth.
@paulacross3086
@paulacross3086 2 года назад
I agree with you, Fredo was stupid and weak, his father said it, and Fredo is stupid, he went against his on family for Mo Green who slapped him around, from time to time.
@willn8664
@willn8664 2 года назад
Also Al Neri would have no hesitation to take out Roth effortlessly if given the okay by Tom.
@yochanan770
@yochanan770 2 года назад
But Tom isn't a Wartime Consigliere.
@davoz9773
@davoz9773 2 года назад
@@yochanan770 by then he had probably realized what he lacked in order to be a wartime consigliere.
@mymusic8414
@mymusic8414 2 года назад
@@willn8664 Al neri would have to become the underboss.i don't know if who would be toms advisor...rocco?
@taureansynner6993
@taureansynner6993 2 года назад
All Fredo wanted was to not feel like a failure, and to be respected, so Tom could advise him on actions to take, showing appropriate respect (although they're brothers so there's bound to be some arguments - As Tom and Sonny, then Tom and Michael had - and Fredo may take any disagreements in the wrong way and ignore advice as a result). Don Fredo needn't be a complete disaster, as long as he listened to Tom and used his most experienced people (Al Neeri for instance) to deal with threats. Fredo may then also bring in other members of his family to run things and then he would enjoy himself and leave others to do the real work. Vincent was helped by Michael, so Fredo could do the same and Vincent would protect him, and when the time comes, perhaps take over from him too, giving Fredo a way of stepping down without losing face when he realises how difficult the job actually is.
@mymusic8414
@mymusic8414 2 года назад
The underworld doesn't work like that. You're either up for the job or not. In that life people can sense weakness and insecurity miles away , to be kind Fredo would be very ineffective and the Corleone family would lose all credibility instantly. So in that scenario I do not envy Tom hagen because he would have some hell of a decision to make.
@patrickfennell6372
@patrickfennell6372 2 года назад
@@mymusic8414 Tom would quietly have Fredo knocked off. He would see the big picture.
@mikedeck8381
@mikedeck8381 2 года назад
This whole video is silly. Mike left Tom in charge when he decided to go solo after the hit attempt. He specifically put him in charge of Rocco, Nieri and Fredo. Fredo wasn't the underboss, the only support for that is the chart at the Senate hearing. Frankie was running the crime family in New York, he was an underboss or street boss for that part of the family. Tom was underboss for the casinos and legit interests of the family. Fredo ran a few brothels and picked up people at the airport. Fredo tells Mike that they never talk, Mike never consulted him about the business. He wasn't present at any of the meetings that Mike held at the communion. He wasn't the underboss and there is no way he'd have succeeded Mike
@radicalross7700
@radicalross7700 2 года назад
Tom probably would've arranged the same kind of "heart attack" for Fredo that killed Clemenza.
@SeattlePioneer
@SeattlePioneer 2 года назад
@@radicalross7700
@lamar679
@lamar679 2 года назад
Appreciate these videos man. You don’t know how much these videos help people get away from the BS. Even if only for a few minutes
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
🙏💯
@simpleandfrank
@simpleandfrank 2 года назад
Seen any good movie lately Lamar?
@lamar679
@lamar679 2 года назад
@@simpleandfrank I have not seen any good mafia movies lately but I recently saw the Batman. That was pretty good. What about you?
@johngarcia1340
@johngarcia1340 2 года назад
At the end of Boardwalk empire, Knucky Thompson basically peacefully surrenders his empire to Lucky Luciano. It gets pieced out to different people, but Knucky gets to move on. I think Tom would have stepped in with or without Fredo and basically starts dto help piece out all the corleone wealth and property and territory with the other families ON CONDITION that the corleones can stay in Reno or Las Vegas and still keep a little bit of wealth in the meantime. Tom would do the right thing because this will buy them time for him and Connie to start grooming a new don or DONS to take over again in the successive generations. The other families on the commission might go for this as it prevents a huge amount of blood shed, BUT it does prevent them from staying true to the old ways about dealing with the male heirs of rivals from the old country and the possibility of a vendetta being carried out later. Regardless I think those families would let Fredo (as a front for the real power within the family), Mike's Son, Tom, Tom's son, Connie's son, and Sonny's Son live, as long as they stayed out of Mafia business and stayed in Reno. That would soon be the five families' worse mistake as they would definitely underestimate Tom and Connie in getting back what they lost, and in grooming the young Sons of the Corleone to take back what was there's.
@jayt9608
@jayt9608 2 года назад
There is a forgotten Corleone that should never be discounted.
@mymusic8414
@mymusic8414 2 года назад
Under that scenario the family would dissolve. No soldiers, no sizable wealth and no power. There would be no way to amass the amount of resources needed to take on Roth and the other families to reclaim their power.
@Frankie5Angels150
@Frankie5Angels150 2 года назад
Tom Hagan has always been my favorite Godfather character. Duvall is a master at his craft.
@BigMoneyLion
@BigMoneyLion 2 года назад
Would love to see a "what should Godfather 4 look like?" Video.... A distant cousin rises to the top only to purposefully try to dissolve the family at its peak and spread it's wealth to charities. This cousin knows the family will never fulfill a higher cause as is. "The only way to right all the wrongs is to burn it all down"
@mistreated
@mistreated 2 года назад
that would be cool!
@BigMoneyLion
@BigMoneyLion 2 года назад
Twist ending: The FBI, who the new Mafia head worked with, sides with a rival to assassinate him because a consolidated mafia prevents the crime world from splintering off into multiple violent factions and to continue funnelling money through Fortune 500 companies and political campaigns.
@SeattlePioneer
@SeattlePioneer 2 года назад
The cousin is a New York billionaire, real Estate developer, television personality and a politician who is as shrewd as Don Vito.... Kind of a big mouth, though.
@Mukation
@Mukation 2 года назад
If Fredo had become the "Don" Hyman never would have had any reason to destroy the corleone family, cause Hyman would get everything he ever wanted from Fredo, who'd be to weak to refuse.
@SSGLew
@SSGLew 2 года назад
Tom assumes control, maintains a portion of the empire, all while grooming Sonny's and Michael's son for the throne and revenge on those who killed Luca, Sonny and Michael.
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
That would be fascinating
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
Imagine how incredible it would be as a TV series (if done PROPERLY)
@mymusic8414
@mymusic8414 2 года назад
Luca was long forgotten about and sonny's death was avenged in the first godfather.
@johnedinger8343
@johnedinger8343 2 года назад
What a great "what if" video. I've enjoyed every video of this channel, but this was the best of all of them!!
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
What other "what if" would you like to see?
@ProfMikeSwope
@ProfMikeSwope 2 года назад
There's an unaccounted-for wild card here: Al Neri. Remember Al Neri is Michael's Luca Brasi. The smartest thing Sollazzo and Tattaglia did in their war was kill Luca Brasi first. The question in the scenario of Roth successfully killing Michael at the house is when and how does Al Neri find out? Does Neri find out Roth ordered the hit and that is all, or that Roth ordered the hit and Fredo helped. The only reason Fredo lasted as long as he did in the second movie was Michael gave Neri a very direct & specific hands off order. That indicates Michael expected Neri would take Fredo out ASAP unless Michael said otherwise.
@barrywatkins8031
@barrywatkins8031 2 года назад
Excellent points Mike - Al Neri would have taken them all out as he would have built himself a small but very skilled and loyal group of soldiers. The only reason Neri (or Tom Hagen for that matter) could never have become Don is the fact that they were not pure Sicilian blood
@pamelamays4186
@pamelamays4186 2 года назад
Tom Hagen would definitely win. He grew up as a de facto Corleone.
@billpage5900
@billpage5900 2 года назад
I don't think so, Tom's not ruthless or violent enough. He wouldn't be willing take the necessary steps to win and since Luca and Sonny are dead he wouldn't have the firepower to make up for it. But I don't think it would be a complete slaughter either. Most likely Tom would fight the good fight and end up suing for peace.
@corssecurity
@corssecurity 2 года назад
@@billpage5900 Bosses aren't just tapped on the head. The family has a say, and the other Bosses too. Tom isn't even Italian, let alone Sicilian. He can't be a Don. A soldier sure, a concilere yes. He can't be made. The other families would never accept that. Tom was brought in as an orphan child by Sonny when they were both boys. Tom could no more become Don than Connie could become Pope. Tom knows that from a young age. The man behind the throne? Surely! Sunny had the guts of his father, fearless. Not the brains.
@AMD7027
@AMD7027 2 года назад
Anybody who has to scream that they “are smart” aren’t. He would be in over his head day one.
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
Lmao 😂
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
Facts 💯
@AMD7027
@AMD7027 2 года назад
@@TheCultureMafia my work is done here
@markmac2206
@markmac2206 2 года назад
one of them was president 2016-2020.
@samoramachel55
@samoramachel55 2 года назад
I truly enjoy how you've weaved in Robert Greene's fantastic books, especially the 48 Laws of Power, but in Mastery (another book) you'd see why Fredo could never be the Don. My "What If" is what would have happened if Tesso had succeeded with Don Barzinni
@rasheemthebestfirstone3274
@rasheemthebestfirstone3274 2 года назад
Why couldn’t he
@elgrande178
@elgrande178 2 года назад
I am sure this was the order of sucession if Mike was killed. Tom, Connie, the dog, mama Corlione, and the captain's....Fredo had no chance. LOL
@vincenthoward19
@vincenthoward19 2 года назад
The dog 😂😂😂
@ammaranwer867
@ammaranwer867 2 года назад
Hahaha
@alexburt1323
@alexburt1323 2 года назад
Great video!!! Who would win? Tom for 2 reasons. One, Roth would underestimate him to be intelligent and/or ruthless to go to war with. And 2, Tom had plenty of education by watching Vito, Sonny and Michael on how they did things and how stragetic they were.
@BigMamaDaveX
@BigMamaDaveX 2 года назад
🙏 Thanks for sharing this with us! Always loving all things Godfather, if they're GOOD... Yours always are! 💌💕
@perceivedvelocity9914
@perceivedvelocity9914 2 года назад
Tom could not become a Don. He wasn't Sicilian or even Italian. Tom would need to control Fredo like a puppet. That's the only way that he could control the family.
@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont
@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont 2 года назад
Technically he should not have even been Consigliere, but Vito treated him as a son. Michael also put Tom Hagan in charge of everyone just before he left the estate in Nevada to head for Florida. He said to the effect, "you're going to be the Don". Not bad for an Irish orphan from the mean streets of 1920's New York!
@josecarranza7555
@josecarranza7555 2 года назад
@@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont “You’re going to be the Don” was a script blunder by Francis and Puzo, not knowing that Michael would still be the Don regardless of him going out on business.
@davoz9773
@davoz9773 2 года назад
@James Hagan if that were the case, Solozzo wouldn’t have kidnapped Tom and Tom would have never been able to attend the five families meeting. Just his presence there shows that everyone knew and respected him as consigliere.
@crown3125
@crown3125 2 года назад
Right. He's German-Irish. Ask Woltz. 😆
@bbennyj
@bbennyj 2 года назад
@@crown3125 Lol
@DonCarlosHormozi
@DonCarlosHormozi 2 года назад
I never laughed so hard! Thanks for putting this together!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
@tonymendestv
@tonymendestv 2 года назад
Brilliant. As always
@richardmoores
@richardmoores 2 года назад
He should’ve gotten some damn respect for banging cocktail waitresses; 2 at a time! Dammit, I respect him for that.
@SeattlePioneer
@SeattlePioneer 2 года назад
I agree. That was Fredos highpoint in the films, along with fumbling his revolver while Don Vito was getting shot.
@eddiebrown120
@eddiebrown120 2 года назад
Tom can't be Don, he's not Sicilian. If Connie could bring herself to "off" Fredo, she could lead using Tom as her avatar. Michael once said she was more fearsome than himself.
@mymusic8414
@mymusic8414 2 года назад
I think Connie could've done it. In part 3 when Michael wanted to tell Connie about having Fredo killed, Connie cut him off, looked at him while crying and said it's so tragic how Fredo drowned and basically said that's the end of that conversation.
@tedwojtasik8781
@tedwojtasik8781 2 года назад
Connie did exactly that in GFIII. Vincent was Connies avatar, she controlled Vincent and he in turn took over as Don once Michael mentally broke when his daughter was killed in front of him. Connie was the real Don on the Corleone Family by the end of GFIII and she was viscous AF.
@plasticweapon
@plasticweapon 2 года назад
she wasn't, except in the fan fiction world of godfather 3.
@JP-lj2lq
@JP-lj2lq 2 года назад
cocktail waitress 2 at a time in the compound now
@CapitalGainzz
@CapitalGainzz 2 года назад
😭 you beat me to it
@JP-lj2lq
@JP-lj2lq 2 года назад
@@CapitalGainzz LoL thought the first comment was it. To my surprise it was not haha
@tinafoster8665
@tinafoster8665 2 года назад
YOU JERK (jk) I put one about that, that Fredo WAS smart about a few things, snorting cocaine, banging hookers two at a time and hiring goofy Italian combos
@JP-lj2lq
@JP-lj2lq 2 года назад
@@tinafoster8665 Not hookers but waitresses
@tinafoster8665
@tinafoster8665 2 года назад
@@JP-lj2lq oops but still, I think in Vegas all cocktail waitresses ARE hookers, probly an extremely exclusive concession thing too, like with valet parkers, the guys who kno where to "meet a friend", "score a g/ bag/ hit/ rock/ etc/," also side s*** like help set up scams n robberies for jerks like Nicky Santoro lol
@johnk.7523
@johnk.7523 2 года назад
This is an awesome channel btw
@MWPintheD
@MWPintheD 2 года назад
Love these
@invincibleluis
@invincibleluis 2 года назад
48 Laws of Power and The Prince by Machiavelli, amazing. Also, i love the quote "A lawyer with a briefcase can steal more money than a hundred men with guns". Another great video before the new year!
@etorres4u
@etorres4u 2 года назад
Tom Hagen learned from Don Vito himself, so he would have been a good don. He was not italian and that would have been a huge problem
@keldonmcfarland2969
@keldonmcfarland2969 2 года назад
Tom would have had to get an Italian puppet he could control and then go "legit" in managing the family business and finances. He would make sure his adopted extended family was taken care of-his mother, his widowed sisters-in-law, his neices and nephews.
@porflepopnecker4376
@porflepopnecker4376 2 года назад
Very fun and interesting video.
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it 💯
@AudieHolland
@AudieHolland Год назад
Before Fredo could even think of assuming the position of Don, he would have suffered an unfortunate, crippling accident. Tom Hagen and Al Neri were present as Fredo fell down the stairs while simultaneously choking on a chicken bone. If he survived, he would be bedridden or in a wheelchair for the rest of his life, always flanked by a nurse to make sure he took his daily medicine. And Tom and Al, his most trusted and capable men, would have to run the day to day business. Who's the head of the family? Fredo of course. You wanna see him? I dunno, he's not been feeling well these last few days/months/years. Know what, since you're a friend of the family, Tom or Al will listen to you and then they'll consult Fredo of course.
@catfishlol1498
@catfishlol1498 Год назад
Fredo being the Don is like letting a deer be the head of a group of lions.
@hornet718
@hornet718 2 года назад
So, in the Godfather multiverse, the fixed point in all realities will be that Fredo will always die! Brilliant!!! But this is a well thought out scenario. I think Tom would have to step in quickly and neutralize Fredo from being the Don. In fact, here is a thought, Tom may not have to kill Fredo, only keep him as a puppet long enough to get the family behind Tom and then let Fredo go. I don't think Tom could kill Fredo as they were "brothers" but by not being blood brothers, Tom would lean 70/30 in favor of executing Fredo. Now, as to who would win between Tom and Roth, I would give it to Tom because Roth would relax, think that he has won and make a few mistakes. Tom would employ Vito's strategy of retreating in order to regroup and come out swinging. This would definitely change Tom as he is not a wartime consigliere but he would be a wartime Don to save the family that saved him from the streets. Let's make this video for sure!!!
@ashtober3537
@ashtober3537 2 года назад
I like your points but I don’t see Tom as a wartime Don.
@levrai944
@levrai944 2 года назад
Tom could never become a don because that totally goes against the rules of Cosa Nostra. You have to be full Italian
@SeattlePioneer
@SeattlePioneer 2 года назад
@@levrai944 Hyman Roth?
@georgejackson4426
@georgejackson4426 Год назад
@@SeattlePioneer Roth wasn't in La Cosa Nostra which requires both parents to be Italian. Most likely he was in the Jewish Mafia which worked hand in hand with LCN like how Meyer Lansky was with Lucky Luciano.
@louisbuzzi869
@louisbuzzi869 Год назад
Good video.
@jameskelly6612
@jameskelly6612 2 года назад
Good video
@bluepridewrestling
@bluepridewrestling 2 года назад
I say in a vacuum, Roth beats Tom Hagen almost every time. Tom and Mike didn’t see pentangeli’s death as Roth’s move until the hearing. Roth is a master tactician, a master at Chess.
@bluegillmich
@bluegillmich 2 года назад
Agree, Tom Hagen was not a war time conciliary and Roth would conspire to take the family down at All costs.
@bbennyj
@bbennyj 2 года назад
But he still lost
@nagone11
@nagone11 2 года назад
Tom didn't Roth nor Barzini..Tom didn't see shit.
@dreamquesttv
@dreamquesttv 2 года назад
@@nagone11 Tom thought Clemenza would be the traitor, he didn't even see when Solozzo walked RIGHT UP TO HIM for a kidnapping...let's be honest, Tom is just Fredo with a law degree.
@nagone11
@nagone11 2 года назад
@@dreamquesttv Tom was the most incompetent adviser in the mob lol
@lancehuffman2393
@lancehuffman2393 2 года назад
I was always glad they miss Michael on that hit
@tinafoster8665
@tinafoster8665 2 года назад
Well it would have been pretty boring after that, Anthony would have bad memories either way so the Corleone empire passes to Connie n her lawyers. I'm assuming Kay woulda got hit too so, with Neri or Rocko knocking off Fredo for his treachery n grabbing what they could everything would have went to Anthony, assuming he wasn't also knocked off execution style
@lastgen8807
@lastgen8807 2 года назад
Hahaha oh shit this is the best what if and I just started the video.. Just the title and cover photo is already hilarious.. just a few seconds into it and I’m dying with frodos face pasted on michaels body lmfaooo
@stephencooper7459
@stephencooper7459 2 года назад
The actor Cazale who played fredo was fantastic He was only in 5 movies all were Oscar winner movies I think and worthy ones to. De Niro and Pacino were great in them . The weak vulnerable and softer character is what Cazale played and he was superb. Pacino and De Niro are greats , the one who plays the weak character is just as important and Cazale nailed it.
@mikhailv67tv
@mikhailv67tv 2 года назад
Cazale did not do one bad performance he was the Daniel Day Lewis of his day
@pamelamays4186
@pamelamays4186 2 года назад
In the films there are no one on one scenes between Fredo and Mama Coreleone. In Godfather II it seems that she and Tom are very close, especially in the scene where they're gossiping about the behavior of Fredo's wife.
@Silly81
@Silly81 2 года назад
I tried to entertain the idea that maybe Fredo would’ve succeeded, trial by fire type of situation but I couldn’t see it. Fredo would’ve destroyed the family from top to bottom. Plus Michael was just too strong and exceptional to fail.
@jairojrnj
@jairojrnj Год назад
Interesting take. RIP John Cazale
@sidgluckman2471
@sidgluckman2471 2 года назад
I'm glad I watched the whole thing as I thought this video was 8:38 too long. Everyone know what would of happened glad you detailed scenarios under both Godfathers.
@leeoconnor7218
@leeoconnor7218 2 года назад
I don't think Tom could become the Don because he wasn't Sicilian. I haven't read the book for a long time, but believe the book talked about that. And the book is considered canon. If I recall correctly, I think the book talked about how it was an issue for Tom to take over the role of consiglieri when Genco died given that he wasn't Sicilian.
@Chou-seh-fu
@Chou-seh-fu 2 года назад
FREDO (menacingly): Today, I settle all Family business. ***Drops gun***
@jimjolly4560
@jimjolly4560 2 года назад
Nice addition of some Untouchables footage to make sure we're paying attention.
@haaatski
@haaatski 2 года назад
Hagen vs Roth? Man that's a good one. I wanna see that video!
@SeattlePioneer
@SeattlePioneer 2 года назад
I agree! Tom has to 1) send Fredo out fishing on the rowboat 2) figure out a way to keep Tessio and Clemenza on board, and then deal with Hyman Roth. Sounds like a good picture!
@garybrown2092
@garybrown2092 2 года назад
If Fredo was the head of the family, Tom Hagen would definitely be calling all the shots!!!!
@wstsider
@wstsider 2 года назад
That’s exactly what I said
@rainemirra1980
@rainemirra1980 2 года назад
Can you do a what if Tom Hagen became don and what choices he would’ve made as don?
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
Sure 💯
@Frankie5Angels150
@Frankie5Angels150 2 года назад
When Fredo confesses to Michael, Cazale’s actual Boston accent takes over! “I’m SMAAT!”
@pamelamays4186
@pamelamays4186 2 года назад
I'm giving Fredo the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps secretly he's more cunning and ruthless than people give him credit for. His bumbling persona could have just been an act.
@lordnixon7512
@lordnixon7512 2 года назад
He said there was something in it for me
@spikemufc
@spikemufc 2 года назад
I think we pretty much agree regarding Fred. Tom was the only one who would of stand a chance against Roth. No one else neither had an experience, let alone intelligence and connections like Tom did. You mention he wasn't Italian, but I don't think that would of been important, had he managed to save the Corleone legacy.
@aabb-kg7il
@aabb-kg7il 2 года назад
Legend !
@aodh5966
@aodh5966 2 года назад
This is the best question I never thought of!
@MrJoeybabe25
@MrJoeybabe25 2 года назад
This is a wonderful video. Great job!!! Tom Hagen was smart, smarter than almost all of them. I think he would have taken control of the family (but would the family obey him, and would outsiders recognize Tom as Don)? I don't think he would have absolutely had to have Fredo killed. Even Fredo was smart enough (I think) to see that he was completely unable to run the family. Perhaps he would have taken a retirement package from Tom and disappeared. Tom's biggest problem was as I cited above, respect from within and outside the family. I look forward to more of your great videos. Liked and subscribed!
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
Totally agree 💯
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
Thank You 🙏
@sufian1977
@sufian1977 2 года назад
He would be a figure head, Hyman Roth would be running things.
@Xman0220
@Xman0220 2 года назад
Fredo would be nothing more than a mere puppet for Tom. Even if Fredo did come into any sort of power, Tom would still be the one pulling any and all strings. His experience in helping Vito and then Michael would be too valuable for Fredo to ignore, so he would just rely entirely on Tom's judgment. Fredo would serve as nothing more than a mere figurehead
@seanmetro3496
@seanmetro3496 2 года назад
Thanks for making me laugh 😆😅
@diontaedaughtry974
@diontaedaughtry974 2 года назад
I still wonder why Vito brought Fredo into the family business instead of giving him a living doing something else? Fredo doesn't even strike me gangster or a tough guy at that he was too afraid to use a gun. He had no killer instinct so how did he make his bones and get so high up in the family?
@johnlane5704
@johnlane5704 2 года назад
Fredo had a better flair at his entertainment job for the family. Too bad he didn't see that was his true destiny
@MarineCorpsSergeantTollens
@MarineCorpsSergeantTollens 2 года назад
Nepotism
@SeattlePioneer
@SeattlePioneer 2 года назад
@ethanbodybuilder
@ethanbodybuilder 2 года назад
Every time I put my line in the water I said a Hail Mary, and every time I said a Hail Mary I caught a fish
@tinafoster8665
@tinafoster8665 2 года назад
It's a pretty cool irony of KNOWING Fredo did this routine n therefore incorporate it into the act of murder itself, not because it would save Fredo but cuz Michael had ALLOWED him, Fredo, to bless himself immediately BEFORE the "justice" was meted out, thereby getting it right with God. That f*ckin Michael IS ICE COLD
@brentlythebartender
@brentlythebartender Год назад
I disagree on one point: Roth wasn't concerned about obtaining the $2M for the sake of having $2M, the $2M was to be a token of sincerity of the deal they made, the deal Roth was using as a cover for his intention to try again to assasinate Michael. He didn't need the Corleone's money, he had a 3rd of a billion of his own money.
@Anthonydahuman
@Anthonydahuman 2 года назад
This is where Tom learns to be a “war time Consigliere “
@priximus2254
@priximus2254 2 года назад
The biggest mistake Don Vito made was involving someone like Fredo in the buisness
@alanamoses386
@alanamoses386 Год назад
I love Fredo, and it truly broke my heart when he told Michael how he's always felt. Although, he just has to accept the fact that he's slow, like, really slow. Like, slow enough to drop a pistol during your father's assassination attempt, slow. The family would have fallen in just a couple of weeks, at most.
@sftommy01
@sftommy01 2 года назад
Tom as the new Don would have been worth one film
@billpage5900
@billpage5900 2 года назад
We all know Tom would usurp power from under Fredo without him even realizing it. None of the higher ups would ever accept him as leader simply based on his last name. If Michael was assassinated in the first movie then Clemenza, Hagen, and Tessio would all conspire to make him a figurehead with Tessio most likely being the real Don. If Fredo was Don in the first movie then Tom would take over and then quickly sue for peace
@sassyone82
@sassyone82 2 года назад
Interesting concept but Fredo would’ve got clipped either way. Hagen over Roth. Hagen’s intelligence was underrated. If he was given the chance at full power, he would’ve been just as ruthless as Michael. Hagen and Michael were both strategic geniuses.
@dirklerxstpratt2112
@dirklerxstpratt2112 2 года назад
Wrong, Hagen couldn't figure out that Barzini was the mastermind in GF1. He thought it was Tattaglia.
@Godfather9814
@Godfather9814 2 года назад
I think Roth would’ve won against Tom cause we see Roth in both the films, books and video games he had so many connections to other crime bosses that his support would be endless. But Tom would’ve had to rely on the strength of the Corleone Family or what was left of it. Because I think despite Tom being respected by most of the old timers and a few others in the Family I think most wouldn’t be to thrilled that an Irishman would be the boss of a mafia Family. So if Roth didn’t have Tom killed I’m sure Hagen would’ve had to deal with a civil war in the Corleone Family as well.
@robertburk6995
@robertburk6995 2 года назад
I think maybe Tom would have been best. He had issues such as being Irish and not Sicilian, he also wasnt family but he was loyal and commanded the respect of all for many years, administrations and generations. He was also extremely smart and with full knowledge of how things ran. Like Sonny but way too short sighted, hotheaded and impatient, he would have ruined the family even faster than Fredo. Sonny would have been a good soldier or underboss at most, nothing more. Fredo was just a fungus, something there that just SLOWLY rots everythigng from beneath. Tom was smart, patient, loyal, respected and was quiet enough to mostly be ignored (a good quality.) I think he would have also had the balls to make orders if he had to. But, he was an important asset to the family, always kept "clean" and there for good advice in many ways and I believe Michael wanted to keep it that way. Him and Fredo were already both dirty, he didnt wish Tom to get that way also.
@jameslee1376
@jameslee1376 Год назад
Unless Tom kept Fredo around only as a figure head instead of giving Fredo absolute powers, then Tom would be the only one running things.
@PokemonTrainerVince
@PokemonTrainerVince 2 года назад
Tom Hagen would find a way to outsmart and beat Roth.
@thesupervisor3270
@thesupervisor3270 2 года назад
He wasn’t Italian he wouldn’t be respected among the rest of the families which means they would probably take him out as well.
@SeattlePioneer
@SeattlePioneer 2 года назад
Or die trying. That's the film!
@HarpoMarxTheSpot
@HarpoMarxTheSpot 2 года назад
Interesting question but what if FRODO became The Godfather instead
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
😂
@TheCultureMafia
@TheCultureMafia 2 года назад
Your thinking is on a different level
@marceloxavier9113
@marceloxavier9113 2 года назад
If Michael had died we would be facing a mobster version of Gladiator. Fredo would be Commodus and Tom Hagen would be Maximus. The adopted son trying to stop the traitor son, who took control, from destroying what the father built. Well, Maximus killed Commodus didn't he?
@NoirL.A.
@NoirL.A. Год назад
in case anybody was wondering why CLAMENZA was written out of the second movie the actor (RICHARD CASTELLANO) had simply demanded too much money for the part and had lost siginficant weight which he'd be expected to regain which he refused to do. he eventually died from obesity related complications (diabetes and heart attack) anyway .
@cardinaloflannagancr8929
@cardinaloflannagancr8929 Год назад
There's even a few more reasons given as well. He demanded his wife write his lines and he strongly disagreed with his character turning on Michael and the family. Coppola then threw in a slight twist claiming Richard demanded he personally be able to approve all his lines.
@NoirL.A.
@NoirL.A. Год назад
@@cardinaloflannagancr8929 i've heard stories but i was a 'GODFATHER' nut long before the internet (only on vhs unfortunately i was only 4 when the movie came out. until re-release in theaters late 90's) and we all know why ABE VAGODA wasn't in the second but i had no way of finding out why CASTELLANO was not brought back until years later when the internet became commonly available.
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