WHAT IF FREEZA LISTENED TO GOKU? | Dragon Ball Discussion 

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What if goku listened to chichi

What If you changed your horrifying profile pic?

Buu is suddenly much much more terrifying

@@to2wacze612 this made me laugh.

@@to2wacze612 Realistic super buu

EXCUSE ME HAVE YOU STOLE AN ORIGINAL COMMENT?

Wasn't canon in the manga.

@Aaron DeVack It's a what-if. does it really matter?

Frieza blows the whole planet up. The end.

He would realize it after a while and go to real Namek a bit later than originally.

@ After casually blowing up that stupid fake planet. 😂😂😂

Depends on the Dr.Gero's shitstorm. 16 probably would be able to handle this new freeza.

@@dan_loup Or even Super Android 13.

My Trucker HAT!

@@Unconventional03 Android 13: "Ya plum-done-gone-dad-gum did it now, son!" Frieza: "Who and what the-Aaaaaaahhhhh!!!" 😂😂😂

Androids don't matter. They die when Freeza blows the planet up. "You can all go to hell without me!"

Lol 4488 goku & vegeta are far stronger than golden frieza by now though

obliterator deathcon 4 i don’t think soooo didn’t goku kill him? haha

JacobJewfro no Golden Frieza was stronger than both of them Frieza only lost bc he didn’t master the form and lost too much stamina

At the same time tho, blue was relatively new to them too. Plus they always have fusion

Eddy9lives the point is that if Frieza trains even more the sayians won’t be able to keep up with him because Frieza can achieve something that the saiyans cant achieve in years in just 4 months

Basically keeping an enemy around to test himself against, and maybe learn some morals/reason in the process (Why blow up a city by fighting inside it, if you could easily enslave the inhabitants later?), rather than being hellbent on wiping them out. And down the line, when their relationship has warmed up after a few years, there comes a moment that goes like this (because if Goku can befriend the literal God of Destruction, why not?): Freeza: "I have returned, Little Monkey! Time to prove your worth!" Goku: "Huh, Hi Freeza! You're early this time. We'll fight in a moment, Chi-Chi just made Dinner. Wanna join?" Freeza: *grumbles, but isn't above a free meal* "Sure, why not..."

companyoflosers g

and become and even bigger prick

Steve Flair get em

Kill the bald one.

YEAH!!!!

SHOTS FIRED

ssj4 ViKing smart

Or telekinesis

Maybe whatever race Freiza is just doesn't have organs

nope, it was just to avoid being too graphic.

@@renatoramos8834 Well yeah, but logic dictates cauterization.

We gotta make this happen

Then youd get all the "Goten Black" nonsense started back up. And personally I dont find that idea interesting at all. Not sure why that was such a big thing for awhile lol

@@xxka0tikkxx If Goten was born in Future Trunks' timeline I don't see him becoming Goten Black. Future Gohan would have 2 kids to teach and we'd get 2 Super Saiyans, obviously Gohan's death would cause Goten to go SSJ it is his brother. They might even go beyond SSJ into the Grade forms since there would be more saiyans to train together thus rendering going to the past not being a thing.

@@BenFranklin89 Dude, you read my mind. I love the idea of an anime centered around Future Goten and Future Trunks becoming the protectors of Earth, and training a new generation of warriors.

and then maybe Trunks then has to leave behind Goten to fight Black and protect humans. Then when Trunks returns, him and Goten Fight Black (and lose) , then they have would’ve retreated, and learned Fusion

oh yeah regenerate that bode

Everybode, shake your bode. Yeahhhh

One that brings back the soul to bodies aswell lol

Agreed !

Lol.😆

Frieza not freezer, he’s not a kitchen appliance

@@joeramsay6269 It's a DBZ Abridged reference.

Isaiah Toro I don’t watch that

Could see radditz arrive after frandoq gohan died and radditz would enjoy the calm life of the woods until bulma runs over goku.

@@devonstidham9234 Raditz x Bulma

He would probably have just done what the original mission was: Exterminate/Enslave the planet for Frieza

What if Raditz and Nappa went with Goku?

Surprised this isn't filled with replies just saying "Gohan" yet, lol.

Deathbrewer lol

@@DeathBringer769 I meant a biological son. Although to answer that question, they'd probably be practically brothers.

One word Gohan

TheRetarded Potato I mean they’re way to close in age to be father and son

oof

Dead Goku

Death

Frieza never goes beyond his 1st form, Ginyu Force won't be needed, King Cold and Frieza kills all the namekians(Guru as well), since Guru is dead, no Namekian Dragon Balls so no Piccolo revived on Namek, Frieza & King Cold kills Goku and co., Namek destroyed, the Saiyan and Namekian races are extinct(except Broly and Paragus).

SPOILER: Everyone dies.

Nameless Namekian raising himself? Hopefully not like Mr. Perfect Cell and Cell Jrs. 😂😂😂

Didn’t piccolo jr have some of king piccolo’s memories

@@bobjoe4847 Yes and he certainly would rather live alone and train as hard as he can to get payback on Goku for his father. And after that, world domination of Earth. Thankfully Mr. Piccolo became a better person after he became a second dad to Gohan.

@David Ortiz Too busy judging countless souls in the Otherworld for Heaven, Hell, Purgatory and Reincarnation.

What if piccolo raised goku

Golu wont say something so smart

@@prithunath4312 watch Dragon Ball Z Abridged

Cold: Ok my Little Princess

N O I C E

We have that in What if Gine went to Earth.

@@cameronheaton9900 we do, but that's centered around Gine, Gohan is kind of off to the side aside from when Bulma first meets them and when King Piccolo was in the picture. He got hardly any screen time for that What If

Depending on your interpretation, the answer could be "not a lot", or "a pretty fair bit." It all depends on how you'd answer a few key questions. First off, I'm going to assume that he survives by thinking to cut off the tail, already knowing from prior experiences living with Goku that grabbing his tail makes him weak. I'm also going to borrow from the Gine What If, with Gohan's solution being to get a pair of sunglasses that Goku must wear at night at all times. Now, this is where two key questions come in. The first: does Gohan tell Goku that *he* is the "giant monster" that he told him about after he transformed the first time? If you'd say "yes," then Goku would very likely obey Gohan's instruction to always wear the sunglasses at night, and would likely grow up with an innate fear of slipping up and hurting those he cares about by transforming-a pretty significant change to his usual carefree personality. If not, Goku could forget and cause more destruction in that form accidentally. This then leads into the second question: would Gohan allow Goku to keep his tail or not? May not seem like a major change, but remember, his tail has given him an advantage in a few fights, and his transformation while they were held by Pilaf led to the gang's successful escape. Moving on, Gohan being alive in any case would mean that Goku would receive far more instruction in the ways of martial arts than he likely got from Gohan before he died, making him far stronger at the start of the series than he was. As a result, most of their early threats likely wouldn't have been as much trouble, particularly the likes of Yamcha. Like in the Gine What If, Gohan probably wouldn't travel with Goku and Bulma, content with seeing the dragon being summoned for himself once they're done. If Goku transforms or finds another means of escape from Pilaf, Goku will likely still train with Roshi while Gohan comes along to see his old mentor again. His greater innate strength could provoke an upgrade in their training methods that results in a massive power increase, but more likely it'll just give him a slight boost that allows him to narrowly defeat Roshi in the 21st Tournament. That seems like a good stopping point where you can build off from there. These are just my particular thoughts on the subject, anyway.

He did this already.

@@tron9683 do it again

@@tron9683 He did, "What if Future Gohan survived?" In that one, no one ever went back in time. I'm suggesting that during the fight were Gohan loses his arm, Trunks loses his legs. Now that Trunks can't be a fighter, Gohan is forced to wait until the Time machine is ready, because there's no one left to replace him if he dies to the Future Androids.

Well everything would be the same but only with Gohan instead of Trunks

@@cond.oriano3264 Not nessecarily. A couple of things I've thought of are: 1.) F-Gohan wouldn't have to conceal his identity, because present Gohan is already born. 2.) F-Gohan was much stronger than F-Trunks before they trained in the Hyperbolic Timechamber. So, after leaving the chamber, he could be stronger than Vegeta, or even Goku. 3.) F-Gohan might kill Android 18 and or Semi-Perfect Cell on sight (after leaving the time chamber), since he's lived so long trying to rid his world of them. 4.) Assuming the Cell Games end the same way, F-Gohan might encourage present Gohan to maintain his fighting spirit/skills during the years of peace. 5.) During the Goku Black arc, F-Gohan could play a far more active role since he would be stronger than Trunks. 6.) If Present Gohan maintained his skills over the years, we could have him help during the Goku Black arc. (Maybe even a F-Gohan + P-Gohan fusion help Vegito Blue fight Merged Zamasu!)

Cell would be hugely weaker without Freeza visiting Earth again with his father. Cell wouldn't have Freeza's DNA. No "I can breathe in space" for Cell!

I don’t think that Freeza would be matched with Goten in the kids division.

He couldn't, because he didn't HAVE different forms!

@Zach Ruggiero He has many forms in the manga, you prob just watch the show and not read the manga. Edit: No hate to anyone who does.

Earth would've been obliterated

Zach Ruggiero YES! That’s the answer because King Cold, Chilled and Frieza lack the genes to go to their next forms. Luckily, all Frost Mutants can turn Golden if they train. Assuming King Cold can transform is like assuming Vegeta can turn SSJ2 in his fight against 18. How is it that no one else know this? Ok yeah it’s a theory but it makes sense if you think about it.

Zach Ruggiero frieza race’s create suppressed forms to keep their power in control. Frieza’s final form is his birth form. Same for Frost, Cooler and King Cold. The other forms (frieza and frost’s first, second and third forms and king colds second form) are not their initial forms meaning that cold dies have at least 2 other transformations after his current state. Cold’s second form was said to be comparable to frieza in his birth/final form which means that colds final form is immensely more powerful than frieza’s and by extension, a super Saiyan

FoLF is a great fanfic

Oh, I know the author of Saviour of Demons

Clever way to get some views! 👍

he doesn't have any videos

@@thedumbwaffleman6204 yeah but you had to go and view it before you knew that :p lol

because you said that's a way to get some views. technically 35% of the comments are a "clever way to get views"

Mines is too

Goku would try to use and learn how to do the body change technique and switch back,or just use the dragon balls

*coughs* Androids 17 & 18.

Evans Appiah this isn't starwars, fam.

Some BlackGuy That’s not how it works in Star Wars tho. And it makes sense here.

@@theeshyguy not really, as we've seen technology raise to the level of our main heroes before this and even afterward. Star wars, tech weakens your connection to the Force, so that's not great as a Jedi (though you do get physical stat increases without having to amp your body with the Force), but that sort of thing has never been established in Dragonball to be something that matters or that their bodies are superior or anything and we even have fully cybernetic beings in the form of 16 or cyborgs in the form of 17&18 that quite literally would have torn our protagonists in half if they hadn't gotten a magical year of training. And that was likely even before Trunks's messing with the time stream possibly being responsible for the androids being leagues more powerful. In short there is no reason to believe that a scientist on Earth working in a secret lab would have better technology than a galaxy spanning military empire. Or that said technology would be "holding him back" when it was designed with him in mind and by scientist that understand his physiology.

@@timoylumontad3920 The Androids are not made of robotic parts. They are mostly biological. And even then their power levels did not improve that much between their introduction and Super, while the organic guys almost quadrupled their power levels. Kinda like Genos from One Punch Man really.

Jelly zamasu jk

@@owenkorando9595 Zamasu was always jelly

@@emdub9679*jelly confirmed*

He did....

I'm positive that's how we got The whole universal/dimensional zamasu Came from and the whole zeno thing would have still happened

Im pretty sure that was a fan manga

@@kyros2714 Feels like it. Peace.

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Don't think vegeta would go majin goku and vegeta would probably let buu be awakened and both trun super sayian 3 against him but start fighting themselves leading them both to lose the form before defeating majin buu.

​@@devonstidham9234 I think, Vegeta would allow Majin Buu to come to life, just to prove to Goku he achieved a greater power than him (Super Saiyan 3.) But since SSJ3 isn't good enough to take down Majin Buu, and Goku deciding to transform as well, hoping 2 SSJ3 might be enough, Vegeta snaps. Because when he thought he finally was ahead of Goku, when he finally thought he could live up to his saiyan pride, Goku proves him once again, he's not the top dog. This would leave vegeta vulnerable to babidi's mind powers, seeing the chance to have a powerful allie beacuse Babidi knows 2 ssj3 might actually endanger his plans. In the anime he looked terrified when Goku showed him SSJ3, leave alone seeing 2 of them. So he decides the best way to resolve this, is letting vegeta and goku kill each other.

@@RShezmo could be interesting but vegeta sacrifice might actually kill buu in this timeline.

​@@devonstidham9234 Perhaps, but consider this. Since Goku and Vegeta would be fighting each other in SSJ3, they both would be too exhausted by the end of the fight. And because Goku fought vegeta as SSJ3, he would be out of time to teach trunks and goten the fusion technique.

@@RShezmo that's true would vegeta have a chance to escape and use the time chamber or train the boys in it? Goku and gohan on supreme kais world ?

They would make friends with him like they did with 16. Although they would be worried since he is far weaker than them. Unless they find a way to upgrade him with enough power to not be a liability.

Timoy Lumontad while I guess it doesn’t count, there is a what if mission in budikai Tenkaichi( I probably spelled that wrong) where Android 16 went back in time to kill Goku and Eighter was able to go toe to toe with 16 and perhaps even surpassed him in to protect Goku.

@@shard7549 I would guess Bulma had managed to upgrade Eighter enough to go toe to toe with 16 in defense of young Goku. Because realistically, 16 could have easily destroyed Eighter and killed young Goku shortly after that immediately.

Shard 754 That was really cool but it was also just Budokai Tenkaichi lol

@@timoylumontad3920 yeah I don't think Eighter would befriend those who would try to kill Goku.

Freiza finds Goku first out of pure hate for him years kater while Goku is busy with something else. Ah man why did you have to show up now. My friends and I are busy with...

Hrm... I don't recall... did the other androids have the energy-absorbing hands? I know that 19 and Gero did, but I know for a fact 17 and 18 didn't... Perhaps the reason that he had such weaker designs for the "latest" androids was because this new feature, quite similar to Cell's form of powering up by absorbing people, would allow for a greater potential in power, as opposed to the slower, human-like ability to power up that the others had? Hrm... or maybe, due to implementing the absorption device meant that he had to remove something else (only so much room in a human body, after all), which inadvertently caused the power drop? Also, we don't know what any of the androids were like before they were converted. It's possible that 19 (being fully machine) and 20 (a scientist) were the only ones who weren't actually warriors of some sort, already, and therefore, didn't have much of a power level to enhance... Also, 13,14 and 15 are all from an alternate timeline (possibly Cell's original timeline, but it's unconfirmed), as Gero destroyed them all in the main timeline, so there's no telling how long ago they were created, how long they've been active/training, or any of that... which could explain their massive power difference, as opposed to 17 and 18s, presumably, more negligible ones (when Gero went to them, he was already weakened/cornered, so the two on one was easy pickings). I WOULD point out that Gero managed to turn his own body into an android, and that might be the reason, but 19 was similarly weak, with the only main difference being the Yakon-like ability to absorb energy.

I never got why any of the androids would even be comparable, let alone stronger than a super saiyan to begin with. If Gero could make Androids that strong, he could have easily made Androids strong enough to kil Goku before all the power creep happened. Not even questioning why no inteligent race on any other planet would have succesfully made Androids of any significant power level in an attempt to save themselves from Freeza. The base power level of a human is really low and certain other races have far more advanced tech such as space travel; Thus if humans can make androids of that level, certain alian races can probably do so too.

@@Dragonoid269 I mean, it seems that humans, in general, are pretty unique. Ki sensing is a rare ability, it seems, universally (though some races, such as the Yardrats and the Namekians knew it, as well) and, apparently, human cuisine does not exist anywhere else in either Universe 6 and 7, other than Earth. Combined with people like Bulma (I mean, yeah, she's a genius, but bare with me) who, at the age of 5, had to repair a spaceship for Jaco (and would later go on to remark that the androids' schematics were incredibly advanced), and that Pilaf has an even greater mind for science than even her (according to Super, where he corrected her coding), so we know Bulma isn't even the smartest being on Earth, at all. It quickly becomes clear that Humans are actually incredibly advanced, though tend to not have as much desire to move from planet to planet. This may be due to the fact that there is, likely, little life in their region of the Universe, similar to how our Earth is the only habitable planet in our solar system. Although, past that, it's hard to say, for certain...

Yamcha will still die early

Depends on when events happen I could see frieza just sittting and waiting imagine if his spies hear about the androids and the heart virus.

That means he would bring the coolers armored squad and you could argue that they are all stronger than ginyu so frieza and cooler get there way way before goku even lands on namek

Rip goku and friends. Lol

A time patroller will come

@@iwannabespecial9873 hehe your joking right

thegoodnoob yes I am

Ikr

He did not shout UNSUBSCRIBE!!! in his running gag routine. And that's worrying. 😨😨😨

Technically, Goku probably got a zenkai boost from nearly dying

Plus, 4th form cooler was only at 50% final form frieza in terms of power. With his final form being about as strong as super saiyan future trunks at that point. The main reason goku had such a hard time against frieza was due to his body being weak from using kkx20 and not healing. Goku was fighting on fumes the entire time.

@@omegashinobi fair, except Frieza doesn't just have a new form. He has a new form, is a cyborg, and has been training with that new form as well.

Your a genius

Yo Movies Goku scales different to Anime/Manga Goku.

That would be awesome. And discovering another mortal (cell) stronger than him would anger him. But saga will be interesting

Holy mackerel. I like this idea!

If future trunks is the same then future cell would have the dna since future goku killed him and cold on earth.Time travel is fun.

TheVideoPsychic switch the e and the i and you’ll have his name spelt correctly

@@joeramsay6269 people are Still commenting? Sorry, I work nights and I'm not too concerned with spelling errors on social media.

That was actually my next question, how long did Frieza's training take? Goku achieved a form thought to be a legend by training his entire life, nearly dying, training at 100x the gravity he was used to being in WITH weighted clothes, having his body beaten shirtless, Zenkai boosting and then watching his best friend die. How long would it take a genius like Frieza to train to reach a level that it looks like only Cooler reached by just being Cooler

@@kyuubikid7971 your right, Frieza had trained for 4 months to reach a golden form after being revived. It's not entirely clear weather or not Hell/HFIL, allowed villians to Train, furthermore somehow Frieza went from hanging out with Cell and the like to I guess the same treatment as Dabura. Hmm...idk, I suppose we could assume in this What if, he either procrastinated or did Empire things for 3 years.

Not good, but good leaning neutral

Still looks badass.

speaking of DBM, the many forms of King Cold are looking nasty.

Nasty in a good or bad way? @@MrGRmask

@@JMandJJ7797 Yes.

It's my headcanon 5th form for Frieza. Whenever he transforms in fanfiction, it's the version I always see in my head.

Kind of a two-men-lost-at-sea situation where they need each other to survive.

I like your headcannon, the only problem that I have with it is that, according to Resurrection of 'F,' Frieza stated that there were 2 peope in the universe that his father told him never to challenge: Majin Buu and Beerus the Destroyer. Sooooo, I don't think that he would be so apropos to the idea of joining forces with Babidi and unleashing Buu

Cell kind of needs Frieza’s cells, without them I doubt he would even be a villain

@@sprtsfanatic1 I instantly thought of that reference too !

he could've picked a least 1.

Remember too is when frieza fired his final blast being split in half theres a chance it got evaporated in the process of goku blasting him or he was just too weak and couldn't carry it with his one arm and one eye

Good point...

OniMedicham Piccolo

Tien? Or what if bulma was evil?

VEGETA

@@devonstidham9234 We know what happens if Tien doesn't have a change of heart. Hit.

Freiza training for 1 year=stronger than jiren

Now manga official, sort of lol

superdarkksparda1337 neat

Insomnia squad! Form up!

superdarkksparda1337 ugh i hate insomnia ☹️hopefully you’ll get some rest 🙌

Stephanie Smith nope, time to vote blue and save my rights.

I'm confused as to what exactly he means by "finding". Does he mean the point in the timeline when they first meet on Namek?

Perfect Cell 999 no he meens find Goku and distroy him, ore where hin out mok him, and after that, let him live.

Freeza can be either spelled as Frieza, Freeza or Furiza. I'd rather stick with Freeza

Two words "Cell games"

I meant it as actively seeking out and searching for the other to fight them. Sorta like tracking down and hunting a wild animal for sport. Except instead of wild animals, it's rivals and wild monkeys. That's more of a freeza or frieza thing then a goku thing.

Cooler did it first. 😂😂😂

DoEsN't MatTeR, He'Ll stIlL TrY To Get hiS ReVEnGe.

Krankkid yo tf?

Thanks Captain Obvious. 😂😂😂

Commander Orange.

Where did you hear/see that?

strifenineteen Resurrection F

@@hatefulgaming1800 you mean when Frieza says he was born with this power? Cause I don't remember seeing him as a baby in his final form

@@strifenineteen its in minus and has been mentioned many times that the other forms were suppressions of his true form

But he can canonically unlock Golden Frieza by getting more powerful, so I think he can create more forms (at any place he wants, so he can chose to create a new 2nd form and the others will just slide of one position) to redestribute the amount of total energy better

Interesting proposition at the very least. Though it may also have been implied that the creator of the super dragon balls may actually be more powerful than the currently known gods. Another possibility is the super balls are not linked to their creator the same way the normal ones are, this may be due to the fact that the normal ones are actually fragments of the super balls and perhaps the reason the dragon balls become stones upon their "creators" death is that these individuals don't actually create them but their life force sustains them and perhaps in return the balls magic then extends the lives of their creators, not making them truly immortal but undying due to age or disease.

It's never stated or even implied that Zarama exists anywhere in the mortal realm, or if he's still alive at all. For all we know, he could be the Super Dragon Ball Dragon himself living in his own plane of existence. The SDBs themselves can be destroyed, though, as proven by Zamasu, so if Zeno willed it, he could probably outright destroy them if they happen to be in an erased universe at the time. Therefore, it's impossible to determine that even if they did disappear with the universe's erasure.

Sure thing, Droidy boy. 😏

Wingdnadlla 🤣🤣🤣

LOL! Gross.

Yandere Freeza? O.O

Krillin: Who here thought of Frieza with boobs Everyone else: ... Krillin: Really, I'm the only one? Vegeata: Yes! Vegeata's mind: He must never know

Frieza IS a girl.

This needs to somehow end up with the Great Saiyaman leading them.

They would absolutely work together with Great Saiyaman

@@YourIdeologyIsDelusional That would be awesome. Then in DB Super we could get a showdown between Gohan's Ginyu Force and the Pride Troopers

That would actually make me watch DB Super.

@@CrispyB8con That'd be just....AMAZIIINGGGGGGG OMG

The portion of the tail that Frieza lost in his second form was actually part of the armor he grows to supress his power, his real tail was never cut by Krillin.

But what about form 5 king cold he just appeared in form 2 and died in form 2 without powering up

Ooohhhhhh so thats why you don't have any likes, cause the comment was a week ago, I didn't see that at first and I was wondering why such a good comment didn't have any likes, if you commented this when this video first came out you would've had a helluva bigger number of likes

when i saw that, i immediately click.

it almost looks... Cooler.

OMG KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!

Zebnoor Ifji get um

....er

Ha its afternoon for me

Probably just a slightly weaker Cell.