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"Gandalf as Ring-lord would have been far worse than Sauron" - JRR Tolkien. Today, using my usual weekly level of research, I've created a plausible scenario that could to Gandalf taking the One Ring and replacing the Dark Lord. There's some safe bets in here, in addition to some longshots, but it's all in good fun! Let me know in the comments what you think would happen if the Grey wizard claimed the ring for himself!
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Gandalf, Aragorn, & Samwise - Donato Giancola
Gandalf in Moria - Donato Giancola
Gandalf Pensive - Donato Giancola
Gandalf and Aragorn - Reacool
Gandalf and Theoden - Tolman Cotton
Gandalf the Grey - Matt DeMino
Gandalf before Denethor - Alan Lee
Theoden - Harlis Suardana
Aragorn - Ian Fee
Gandalf Attacks Dol Guldur - John Howe
King Theoden and Wormtongue - Greg and Tim Hildebrandt
Looking into the Stone - Kuliszu
Rivendell - Zak Seymour
Rohirrim - Gellihana Art
Nazgul - Rui Goncalves
The Hermit - bnolin
The King of the Golden Hall - Ullakko
The Riders of Rohan - Ted Nasmith
Nazgul Rider - William Nunez
Orthanc - Alan Lee
The Ringwraiths - Anato Finnstark
Nazgul on Weathertop - Anato Finnstark
The Nine - Anato Finnstark
Boromir Arrives to Rivendell - Joshua Cairos
The Council of Elrond - Alan Lee
Frodo and Gandalf in Bag End - Raul Vitale
Gandalf and Frodo Examine the Ring - Donato Giancola
Gandalf and Theoden - Kacik Rohanskiej
Gandalf and Saruman - Angelo Montanini
Gandalf in Minas Tirith - Anke Eissman
Nazgul - Allrich Art
Saruman and the Palantir - Greg and Tim Hildebrandt
Saruman - AIMaNeGrA
Saruman's Staff - Alexandr Elichev
Bilbo and Gandalf - Tim Kirk
Wrath of Galadriel - Zyrexthez
Bag End - Wictorian Art
Minas Tirith: Hall of Kings - Hayo Koekkoek
The Shire - Liam Tart
Minas Tirith - Ludovic Bourgeois
Dol Guldur - Michael Merc
Orthanc in the Second Age - Ted Nasmith
Barad-dur - Steve Firchow
The Shire, A View of Hobbiton - Ted Nasmith
An Enemy Revealed - Laurence Andrew Page
Cthumang Darth Vader Gandalf & Sauron - Joujeen
Denethor Son of Ecthelion - Joshua Cairos
Gandalf and Dumbledore - Rodolfo Gurreiro
Check out these resources for this and more info about Smaug, the Dragons of the North, and the War of Dwarves and Dragon:
The Lord of the Rings
Unfinished Tales
The Encyclopedia of Arda
Tolkien Gateway
Theonering.net “Today in Middle-earth History” Calendar
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@NerdoftheRings 3 года назад

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@asabovesobelow5368 3 года назад

@Marvin Bass go away bass. No one is listening. Keep your cult. Your the same as BLM

@Blackpheonix99 3 года назад

@@asabovesobelow5368 not defending him cause I find it annoying as well but you do know lord of the rings is heavily based on that cult you speak of right?!

@Blackpheonix99 3 года назад

While I agree with 98% of this theory I think the ring may have corrupted gandalf more and possibly made gandalf a new sauron or fuse with sauron somehow possibly rid the taint of man and establish an order with elves or some other creature/race to truly rule over middle earth and more

@xxRamD3yruxx 3 года назад

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. ― C.S. Lewis

@Charok1 3 года назад

well real life humans are mostly greedy hypocrites and the only way to keep them from doing harm to others is a real threat of harm to themselves, so Gandalf made their world better if it is like ours.

@Menthix 3 года назад

Imagine if in an alternate universe this is cannon, and someone made a video about a theory with Gandalf not accepting the ring from Frodo, but instead sendt him off to Mordor with his gardner. Just imagine the like-dislike ratio on that video.

@McBrideRH 3 года назад

It would seem really messed up bc we'd assume he was condemning the simple gardner to become another Golem. "But Gandalf would never do that!"

@sirharryharry1665 3 года назад

That would give "the man in the high castle" a new meaning lol

@qwertyb18 3 года назад

It would seem really illogical as the eagles could just fly Frodo to Mt. Doom.

@PigreKo 3 года назад

@@McBrideRH thus the greatest writer is revealed, as he made one very hard to believe plot point its best feature. Tolkien was a beast.

@nicknickson2734 3 года назад

I felt I had to snap shot this comment lol

@patrickstar5136 3 года назад

I love how Boromir just pointlessly travels around the world for the entire story.

@samwrai 3 года назад

Right? Lmao

@aliasmcdecoy8349 3 года назад

He would also make Gandalfs perfect puppet king so eager to please a father figure

@HerosTheme 3 года назад

😂 LOL

@blazedean725 3 года назад

Then he gets crowned king out of no where

@TheHuginandMugin 3 года назад

At least he is alive, had a nice peaceful journey and became King. So i think he is the true winner here.

@MrXScarFacexTV Год назад

Boromir really did nothing but ride his horse to and back from rivendale only to become king. What a champ. Total hero.

@MarvinT0606 Год назад

He'd most likely fight Gandalf instead of taking the throne. Remember, Boromir loves the People of Gondor above all others. He'd realize Gandalf is trying to enslave Gondor and flee with his brother to resist him. It'll be like Red Dawn but set in Middle-Earth with Denethor's sons leading the rebellion.

@Donnybrook10 11 месяцев назад

Galdalf: I killed your Father... oh, and Aragorn, but don't be mad Bro cuz you're King when I'm not around. High five! Boromir : Cool...so, where's Arwen at? I'm gonna get me some of that.

@mrknockknock1 11 месяцев назад

@@Donnybrook10 This man understands the deep lore like none other. Give him many thumbs ups! :P

@trueredpanda1538 10 месяцев назад

@@MarvinT0606That depends, did he know Gandalf has the one ring or not?

@Zorstor 9 месяцев назад

😂😂

@Bakamoichigei Год назад

The idea of Gandalf turning Middle Earth into some kind of dystopian police state under the watchful eyes of his nazgul enforcers is both fascinating and terrifying. And yeah, Gandalf being like "Well, have it your way..." and just straight-up incinerating Denethor _is_ pretty amusing. 🤣 And Boromir spending the whole time just wandering all over the countryside, always missing whatever's going on, only to finally arrive home and be like "What'd I miss?" and have Gandalf make him King of Gondor? I am _dying._ 😂😂😂😂

@Dogsparkster Год назад

reading your comment, i lost it at the boromir moment, i can just imagine him wandering the trollshaws lost while all the interesting stuff is going on. lmao

@sentientmustache8360 Год назад

“What did i miss?” “Your dad’s dead, here’s the crown” “Cool”

@donutlovingwerewolf8837 Год назад

@@sentientmustache8360 "Also I need an army" "Aight man"

@KicktheSky34 Год назад

Funnily, this kind of reminds me of the plot of this old PS2 game called LotR: The Third Age where you play as an off-brand Fellowship perpetually lagging behind the real one...

@Backonos Год назад

the order Sauron wanted

@Cloud.Strife 2 года назад

Let us be thankful that the one ring of power did not fall into the hands of a Took. For this outcome would lead to the creation of something far more vile and sinister... Third breakfast...

@praetorian3902 2 года назад

Great comment.

@whereismycup 2 года назад

100 years later: WHAT ABOUT 4TH BREAKFAST

@burpostockings 2 года назад

4th breakfast, 8th breakfast, 19th breakfast... The horror would only grow as fat as the hobbits under his rule

@shastanarnian233 2 года назад

Just like Fast and Furious series ))

@L33T_Taco 2 года назад

This fucking comment is underrated xD lol, or also instead of "elevensies, theres thirtensies"

@thehelmsdepot 3 года назад

He will bring peace, freedom, justice, and security to his new empire.

@NerdoftheRings 3 года назад

His new empire?! Our allegiance is to the republic, to democracy!!

@meghanidels9883 3 года назад

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

@benl2140 3 года назад

Anakin, Chancellor Gandalf is evil!

@example6978 3 года назад

@@benl2140 from my point of view the hobbits are evil

@benl2140 3 года назад

@@example6978 Well, then you are lost!

@dark7element Год назад

The interesting thing about this theory is that if it had happened, Sauron wouldn't have been surprised at all. Dismayed, yes, but not surprised. Something like this is exactly what Sauron expected to happen if his most powerful enemies like Gandalf got hold of the ring. Sauron couldn't even conceive that someone would willingly try to destroy the ring until the very moment that Frodo put on the ring in the chamber above Mount Doom. He always assumed that anyone who got the ring would use its power for themselves.

@bzqp2 Год назад

Didn't he know about Isildur and Elrond? They set the precedent and were pretty close to destroying the ring. With how circular all the events in Tolkien's World are Sauron would surely at least consider it to be a possibility.

@Ryplinn Год назад

@@bzqp2 I feel like Sauron may have been a bit distracted at that time, being as close to dead as he can get. Even if he did know about it, I'm guessing that he would count on the allure of the Ring protecting it from destruction. And it did end up being a pretty good deterrent, since exactly two people ever voluntarily gave the Ring up (Bilbo and Sam), and exactly zero people managed to purposefully attempt to destroy it.

@Hyperversum3 Год назад

@@Ryplinn He could be perfectly capable of seeing Elrond call for the destruction of the Ring, but he also saw that Isildur didn't do It. He has no real reason to believe that ring in hand the Elf lord would do what he was saying. Not Elrond could swear about It lol

@bananamafana3433 11 месяцев назад

@@bzqp2 well in the books, elrond and isildur never went to mount doom. that whole event of standing above before isildur claims it never happened

@bzqp2 11 месяцев назад

@@bananamafana3433 Huh, never realized this difference.

@swordablaze9259 Год назад

This was interesting. Now I want to know how Galdriel, Glorfindel and Elrond would deal with Gandalf as the new Ring Master. They'd realise and be worried and/or kicking themselves. I can also feel all the Valar facepalming at this ending. "You had ONE job, Olórin!!"

@baabaaer Год назад

Tulkas may arrive cloaked to meet Olorin, then when he is at most vulnerable, Tulkas brought forth the paddle of Manwe, and gives Gandalf a raw bum.

@thegianttater Год назад

I feel like all the Elves would still leave Middle Earth, just a bit more hastily, seeing no hope in fighting Gandalf with that power and his knowledge. The REAL interesting thing, would be to see if Gandalf tried to, and was successful in, seizing the other two Elven rings of power before they yeeted off to Valinor and left Middle Earth to fend for itself?

@papuan369 Год назад

@@thegianttater I think thats explained by his asking for a modest force and his destination of both Rivendell and Lorien, where the last two rings are, to be taken by force, or as payment for safe passage to the havens

@dark7element Год назад

@@papuan369 But with his wisdom and power over the other rings, wouldn't Gandalf be able to convince the elves to bow before him? The elves would realize that by that point, if they hesitate even a little in recognizing Gandalf's rule, he'd destroy them all, and even a fraction of the armies of Rohan and Gondor would make the odds of them resisting him utterly hopeless. Leaving for Valinor wouldn't do them any good.

@jessepinkman5702 Год назад

I think Gandalf would still end up killing himself like most who carry the One Ring

@jpenn9635 3 года назад

I imagine he would become a ghost-like being and they would call him... Gandalf the Wight

@NerdoftheRings 3 года назад

🥁ba-dum-ch!

@meltingpointcreations1457 3 года назад

Gandalf the Gray-ish?

@tylerborah6737 3 года назад

The Black

@khatack 3 года назад

nice one xD

@MikeG-rp7ep 3 года назад

You have officially won this thread. Well done!

@thomaslampl3001 3 года назад

Boromir: *arrives in Rivendell after travelling for a good 4 months* Finally, now what is this urgent matter that I was called here for? Elrond: some guys are travelling to minas tirith, you should meet them there Boromir: Are you f*cking kidding me

@elijahjones2710 3 года назад

They weren't called to Rivendell. They all just happened to be there on their own business.

@PunkRockJ 3 года назад

@@elijahjones2710 boromir sort of got "called " there since his dreams told him to go find elrond's house

@elijahjones2710 3 года назад

@@PunkRockJ Your kind of right. I was just pointing out that it wasn't like in the movies and I hoped that my comment would get someone who didn't know to look deeper into it.

@PunkRockJ 3 года назад

@@elijahjones2710 Sorry, your point was pretty on point it was just a bit more context for those who didn't read the books

@elijahjones2710 3 года назад

@@PunkRockJ You're all good. We were both trying to do the same thing. Have a great day.

@jakobbauz Год назад

I like your alternate version a lot. But: I think Aragorn would have been suspicious from the start. I mean he is a hardened, worldly-wise man who barely trusts himself (he is the one instantly realising what's up with Boromir in the original Fellowship after all). As soon as Saruman was dead he would have made plans.

@MarvinT0606 Год назад

There are other things that would drastically change: 1. Minor characters in Minas Tirith like Beregond and his sons will play a bigger role, maybe even the sole witnesses to the murder of Denethor 2. Boromir will also have a bigger role, having *never* been corrupted by the One Ring when he meets Gandalf. When he finds out Gandalf actually murdered Denethor there will be hell to pay 3. It's also possible that instead of killing Aragorn, Gandalf will instead try to break his will or puppet him like what Saruman did. Aragorn as a "new" puppet king while Gandalf rules from behind the throne makes so much more sense than passing the crown to Boromir (who has no right to kingship) 4. Galadriel and Elrond might intervene and "change" the plan somehow, maybe give the Hobbits and Boromir a bigger but different role 5. Ultimately, Boromir the Vengeful Captain of Gondor and Aragorn the Puppet King will have to fight- backed by Gandalf and Galadriel respectively. 6. The story will play out more like a Greek Tragedy than Fantasy.

@iainballas Год назад

I like how you kept things in line with Gandalf's main idealism: Gandalf (and Tolkien) acknowledge that strong and powerful people can do great good, but equally may do great evil even if they desire to do good. Meanwhile, the meek and timid may also do great good, but rarely seek to do great evil. Gandalf was always meant to be a supporting character. His power was bringing out strength in others, which is one of (if not the most) powerful gifts of all.

@songsforthemadre7337 2 месяца назад

Nice one. I really like the deeper implications of Tolkien's world about human nature and Life in general. Time and again, souls have fallen into temptation when faced with the possibility (or illusion) of power. At the pinnacle of this, a mature or perhaps more experienced or pure being will know instinctively the simple fact that real power does not seek for more. They would genuinely have no interest in it. In a way it simply makes no sense to them. And even deeper, it's completely outside of their very own nature. It exists in a realm outside of the one a pure being exists in.

@jonathancarlson6127 2 года назад

And then he returned to Mordor and ordered Mt. Doom filled with pipe weed. The smoke was so great, it enveloped Middle Earth, and all were giddy and slightly peckish. And there was peace.

@skatemetrix 2 года назад

The one spliff to rule them all!

@Peaceful_Gojira 2 года назад

And there was much rejoice! *_depressed yay's heard about_*

@SoulyG 2 года назад

Actually there is an italian redub called "Lo Svarione Degli Anelli" where the story is about the one ring who hold the "svarione" (svarione means kinda like being stoned as fuck) and they have to destroy it to free the real highness for everybody, since Sauron (renamed Svarion) stole it and kept it for himsel even if destroyed. All character are renamed: Gandalf became Ganjalf, Legolas became Rizlas, Aragorn became Arabong, Gollum became Condom (cuz he's crusing naked) ecc. they redub mostly of the 3 films, i don't think u can understand it but you cracked me with this comment

@tcgcollector855 2 года назад

The wide spread food shortage that followed.....

@kahnfatman 2 года назад

Let me guess, you come from Colorado or New Mexico.

@redtsun67 2 года назад

Gandalf: *takes the ring* Sauron: "why do I hear boss music?"

@ElementOfTheUniverse 2 года назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nxXcuDAv7Ss.html

@lumsdelj 2 года назад

cackle. underrated comment

@jeffjames3111 2 года назад

@@lumsdelj lol so funny!

@mattd6931 2 года назад

Gandalf taking the ring is the equivalent of him going: up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Start.

@Gudni_TH 2 года назад

Taking the hobbits to isenguard starts playing

@jvvtheater 9 месяцев назад

How to become the King of Gondor: 1. Travel aimlessly to avoid war. 2. Return to Gondor when war is over. 3. Wait for your coronation.

@greggs1067 11 месяцев назад

What if not quite corrupted Gandalf destroyed the Nazgul, and kept their rings. Later, when frustrated with the lack of order across his kingdom, he begins gifting them to his most loyal allies. Aragorn, Theodin, Borimer, etc. to assist with their work to support him. They enthusiastically start helping Gandalf, before any of them realize that things have gotten out of hand…

@13g0man 10 месяцев назад

Nothing would have gotten out of hand. The Nine Ring-Wardens would eternally keep peace throughout Middle-Earth, at the will of the Bright Lord Gandalf.

@dancooke8811 9 месяцев назад

Impossible, no living man can kill a Nazgûl remember? Gandalf couldn't kill them in any other Lord of The Rings that's why.

@CarzorStelatis 8 месяцев назад

@@dancooke8811 Gandalf isn't a 'living man' though, he's a Maia. Same sort of get-out as Eowyn.

@SioxerNikita 7 месяцев назад

@@dancooke8811That was simply a comment from someone cocky, not really reality. Everything can be slain in a world like Lord of the Rings

@mon_moi 5 месяцев назад

@@dancooke8811can't he just use some Noldorin blades like Merry? I mean Gandalf in this alternate timeline probably wouldn't be welcomed in Lothlorien, but I imagine he could still acquire those blades somehow

@187Cazcrash 2 года назад

I would absolutely watch this version of the story, specially the part where Sean Bean is not killed and wanders endlessly only to be named king.

@AbsurdOod 2 года назад

After all, who has a better story than Bean The Broken?

@spielunker8438 2 года назад

One does not simply wander endlessly waiting to be named king.

@joshuaperry4112 2 года назад

Boromir would be so stunned at being named King, he would have a heart attack and die.

@bogdangrigore89 2 года назад

One of the best comments I have ever seen on a YT video

@s_shaleh 2 года назад

@@AbsurdOod hahahaha

@aaronward3508 3 года назад

Gandalf would enslave Middle Earth and everyone would work in pipe weed factories. In the Fourth Age, Dark Lord Gandalf creates a pipe weed hybrid called “Fool of a Toke”.

@gm2407 3 года назад

The fields shall be fertilized by the dead Hobbitses.

@nikolanovakovic4150 3 года назад

Oh boy this made me laugh so hard

@castletreetv149 3 года назад

"Fool of a toke" :)

@redabales8828 3 года назад

@@nikolanovakovic4150 agreed!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@gandalf7262 3 года назад

Yes

@ben10the10 Год назад

I would have loved it if Boromir saw through Gandalf's sweet offering and the "King" label. Perhaps he smiles and gets close to Gandlaf, maybe even embraces him. Then he runs Gandalf through with his sword, whispering in his ear: "Gondor has no king, Gondor needs no king."

@MarvinT0606 Год назад

Boromir founds the People's Republic of Gondor 🤣

@ZealousValkyrie 7 месяцев назад

Honestly the perfect ending to this. Plausable, too.

@carolparson787 4 месяца назад

Then Boramir would get the ring and end up Sauron’s slave

@Azuria969 4 месяца назад

lol no boromir was a human, galdalf a maiar with the one ring, no sword could pierce him

@ben10the10 4 месяца назад

@@Azuria969 No sword could pierce him? Where is that stated in Tolkien's legendarium?

@renardleblanc5556 Год назад

It is interesting that at the beginning of Fellowship, Gandalf has been fixated on identifying Bilbo's ring... perhaps, a little *too* fixated.

@bibsp3556 11 месяцев назад

It might have whispered somrthing to him, and given itself away.

@jrpipik Месяц назад

If anything, he's too casual. He doesn't do anything useful for 50 years! I think it would be easier to argue the Ring psychically lulls Gandalf into not paying enough attention.

@MikeC-ce2dz 3 года назад

True terror would be if the one ring fell into the possession of Lobelia Sackville-Baggins

@ThoriberoCaroli 3 года назад

There would be no spoons left in the hands of any free man or woman. :I

@markbarthel9835 3 года назад

No spoon would be safe.

@TonusFabri2024 3 года назад

@@markbarthel9835 That's OK, *there is no spoon*....

@helloworld1249 3 года назад

This. This is the fanfic I desperately need. Million dollar idea.

@RafaelSCalsaverini 3 года назад

My god...

@stefanmekkinosson175 3 года назад

A Dark Lord is never late, neither is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.

@TiaMargarita 3 года назад

As is a military general!

@jordanuecker7744 3 года назад

“Nor is he early” GET IT RIGHT! :)

@andreashansen5313 3 года назад

@@jordanuecker7744 One does not simply misspell a LOTR quote.

@michaelfrankel8082 3 года назад

Well played sir.

@mr.honeybee7661 3 года назад

Oh fuck lol 😂

@kjekelle96 Год назад

Imagine he took Frodo with him, knowing full well that the ring would corrupt him, and being determined to hand over the ring back to Frodo when Sauron was defeated, as a last resort if he couldn't destroy it himself, and in hope he would have retained his deep compassion for Frodo (and that killing or imprisoning or ignoring Frodo would eat at his conscience if there still was some left).

@Gilliganfrog 12 дней назад

If Gandalf had already taken possession of the Ring, wielded it to destroy Saruman and Denethor, used its full power to help him destroy Sauron, and then murdered Aragorn when confronted to destroy the Ring, then Gandalf would be far, far beyond any point of being willing to give the Ring to anyone else, ever again. He'd be 100% Lost Boy; might as well call him Sauron II (the Second). Because Frodo and all hobbits would be considered too weak, harmless, and useless to be of any concern, they'd all be ordered home and given a warning to remain peaceful and law-abiding... or else face very severe consequences.

@UXSpecialist Год назад

I think gandalf wouldn't turn evil all at once. He would use the ring with the intent to do good, but would become so powerful, he would become a terrible force in the world, become somewhat of a tyrant and feared among all... It would seriously throw off the balance of middle earth.

@davidanderson_surrey_bc 3 года назад

Balrog: I like this version much better.

@arjenvk1 3 года назад

Gandalf to Balrog: come along friend, We will kick ass!

@Schrodingers-Fat 3 года назад

@@arjenvk1 Durin's Bane would definitely be no match, but also wouldn't try anything.

@1ceH3art 3 года назад

Man I wish they dove more into the old lore. Balrogs were just foot soliders

@MrNicoJac 3 года назад

@@1ceH3art No they weren't 😆 Balrogs were fallen Ainur(?), basically like Gandalf. There are plenty of videos explaining the precise details 👍🏼

@1ceH3art 3 года назад

@@MrNicoJac hu I guess things changed since my lore book was published. Wonder how much else was changed. Just went to google to find out why I had a different story. The early conception of Balrogs makes them less terrible, and certainly more destructible, than they afterwards became: they existed in 'hundreds' (p. 170), and were slain by Tuor and the Gondothilim in large numbers: "thus five fell before Tuor's great axe Dramborleg, three before Ecthelion’s sword, and two score were slain by the warriors of the king's house. (From Fall of Gondolin, Christopher Tolkien commentary)

@Definitely_Not_Sheev_Palpatine 3 года назад

So basically, Boromir is just late to everything for months on end, then one day Gandalf is like "Hey, wanna be king?"

@razorsharpview9090 3 года назад

What the hell are you here at Middle earth, SENATE?!

@Hades8103 3 года назад

He isn’t the senate YET

@tidemaster 3 года назад

Here ya go doopemsksoblap eipdeep boing

@legion9327 3 года назад

That pretty well describes how Joe Biden became President.

@Definitely_Not_Sheev_Palpatine 3 года назад

@@legion9327 Actually, Joe Biden became President because the majority of voters voted for him.

@justaneedlessboi6710 Год назад

I love Tolkien's description of how Gandalf the dark lord would be like, it's spot on, and honestly a really believable corrupted version of the character

@vagabondx2132 Год назад

i really enjoyed the mixture of canon lore and his own conjecture, here. i think he did an excellent job. well done!

@sithmaster4305 2 года назад

Won't lie It would be hilarious to see Gandalf ask Boromir to be king just for him to look left to see a Nazgul holding a club just in case he says no.

@jhamPlays Год назад

Punching his fist like a comic book goon

@Bakamoichigei Год назад

...and then look right to see his old man's still-smoldering remains? 🤣

@kennethmoses4900 Год назад

This made me laugh out loud

@eimanb3887 Год назад

This is unnecessarily funny.

@Felix-dh9tl Год назад

Won’t lie this theory would make an interesting movie

@user-wd2du6ze5p 3 года назад

Instead of a Dark Lord, you would have a king, not dark but gray, never late and terrible as the dawn of the fifth day! Tempestuous as the fireworks, and stronger than the finest Longbottom leaf! All shall not pass and despair!

@JFskeezix 3 года назад

haha nice

@lordoftherings999 3 года назад

Great

@raphaelfelipe1474 3 года назад

this was the best comment I've ever seen in my life, thanks from Brazil

@philippecollin559 3 года назад

Eloquent and funny. I raise my hat to you.

@fortunatodelacruz2451 3 года назад

this is perfect! LOL XD! i am reading this like Gandalf is actually saying it in the movie

@blueshit199 Год назад

I love the idea that Gandalf ends up having the same motivations and means to an end as Cortana in Halo 5, especially with stationing the Nazgul in each major part of Middle Earth for peacekeeping purposes

@thematrixlunchhacker Месяц назад

Nice reference

@madzod0076 Год назад

Since the ring wouldn't be destroyed, could Sauron still return and maybe take the form of a liberator to deceive men into helping him overthrow gandalf?

@oberonpanopticon 8 месяцев назад

Despite watching this channel idk much about lotr, but that seems totally possible!

@christianholzschuh6853 8 месяцев назад

"People of Middlearth, I have come to liberate you!" Hurray! It's Sauron here to help us! "FROM YOURSELF!" Oh no! It's Sauron, here to help us!

@GoldenSW 7 месяцев назад

It's possible but unlikely. Gandalf would be too strong. Sauron also needed a very long time to regain a semblance of his former strength without the ring.

@ryhi5 6 месяцев назад

@@christianholzschuh6853 "GREAT LIBERATOR! YOU HAVE SAVED MIDDLE EARTH!" Sauron: Oh, I wouldn't say "saved", more like..... UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT!

@thatguywhosenameyoukeepmis9450 5 месяцев назад

I think over time, Gandalf would have claimed the ring, leading Sauron to be unable to reform physically. Or maybe he claims it once Sauron comes back and tries rallying discontented people to his cause.

@DamonNomad82 3 года назад

This theory of how Gandalf would rule Middle Earth wielding the Ring and becoming far worse than Sauron because he would be actively trying to do good and would be righteous in his own mind fits nicely with the position that Tolkien's close friend C.S. Lewis took that those who think they are doing good can do far more damage than the utterly evil, because they have the approval of their own consciences.

@dominikszakacs7070 3 года назад

But still, Sauron himself thought that he was doing good. He intended to maintain order in Middle-Earth, though through extreme measures... orc armies, former men who he turned into slaves. It is also like Gandalf without the Ring is a protector of free will, Sauron still wants to maintain order, without respecting the free will of others.

@thewanabees123 3 года назад

@@dominikszakacs7070 this is wrong. Sauron thought it was necessary to be the way he was because I valued ORDER above all else. And he felt justified, but I did not think he was “good”

@Egryn 3 года назад

Not only that but Gandalf had a second ring if power, Narya. His possession of both rings would not only give him immense power but the ability to inspire hope in any who found him. This would allow him to amass a very large army who despite being corrupted by the one ring would think that Gandalf would be fighting tyranny against any who would suspect him of evil. He would have ended up ruling Middle Earth for ages since Narya also lengthened the life of the user.

@Travlinmo 3 года назад

Then engineer in me wonders if Narya would have actually meant anything if both the one ring and Narya were being used by the same person. Also, this Gandalf reminds me of the movie version of the Lady of Lorien.

@Egryn 3 года назад

@@Travlinmo it would because the righteous man using both would instill the false desire to fight anyone trying to harm the bearer of the one ring, thinking the other person to be a tyrant and oppressive.

@videos8159 Год назад

The fact I love about this is that even tolkien himself wrote some fan fiction about his own property haha

@Graphomite Год назад

Doesn't really surprise me. The Hobbit was a pretty restrained novel compared to the LotR trilogy. LotR was def Tolkien indulging himself and/or the geek audience he had awakened and it doesn't surprise me that the dude entertained spinoffs and what-ifs.

@Kaaxe Год назад

"author fiction" perhaps

@ggt47 Год назад

What?!

@comradeschnitzelstein7177 Год назад

I'm literally trying to write a universe and novel whenever I can and I cannot resist writing fanfiction of what plans I have for it, even when it's not even close to finished. I can see why, lol

@liquidsnake6879 Год назад

entertaining what-ifs is pretty common in writing and a fun exercise

@DrBones-ys1ii 4 дня назад

Honestly, much better video than I was expecting. Really like how you laid out the events here.

@southerncampingexperience3841 Год назад

I've always wondered what would happen... If Frodo willing gave the Ring to the Witch King out of fear, and avoided being wounded. Would the Witch King usurp Sauron, and become the ruler of Mordor, or would he maintain his service to Sauron?

@User-hz5vz Год назад

He is neither dead or alive , and he would definitely be loyal to sauron

@vishnunaidoo3258 Год назад

And what if Saruman took the ring?

@southerncampingexperience3841 Год назад

@@vishnunaidoo3258 I would imagine sarumans first task would be to destroy gandalf, and take Narya. Most certainly slained all on the white council. His rule would give him the Nazgul. The Ents and Huorns wouldn't of stood much chance. Saruman would eventually overthrow sauron, and I think what happened to the Shire in The Return of the King would not happen.

@MarvinT0606 Год назад

the Nazgul are too far gone to think for themselves.

@alanfrost75 3 года назад

So the real winner is Sean Bean. He doesn't get to die for a change...

@samwrai 3 года назад

For a time...

@roxanneranchhand1245 3 года назад

Not until 'the Frankenstein Chronicles' on netflix

@vincentsanniti2438 3 года назад

Que piano falling from sky

@1freakgamer 3 года назад

He survived The Martian.

@darktrooper2099 3 года назад

@@vincentsanniti2438 *: : : : : : : : : : : :Shortly followed by pirate-ship from "TIME BANDITS"*

@irina_divine 3 года назад

notice how gandalf said "over me the ring would gain a power still greater" hes basically saying when you "Wear" the ring, you're not wearing it, the ring wears you.

@zakpodo 3 года назад

Yes. Isnt that what separates the one ring from the others. It is made of the will to power and domination. And Sauron, like Morgoth before had that in spades.

@KnightOMurk 2 года назад

In America, you wear ring. In Soviet Russia, ring wears you.

@johnhansen4794 2 года назад

What is the Ego of this magic? Oh, infinite... K'Thanx, bye.

@aminulhussain2277 2 года назад

@@KnightOMurk The ring wears you in both.

@rykehuss3435 2 года назад

@@zakpodo No, the One Ring was created to dominate and subjugate all the other Rings of Power. A Puppetmaster, but first there were the puppets

@witgar1 5 месяцев назад

This is exceptionally well done. I would ask you continue this story with Gandalfs domination of the elves and dwarfs.

@PhodexGames Год назад

Actually the EDAIN modification for the LOTR game "Battle For Middle Earth 2" illustrated this very nicely. You can give the ring to gandalf there and see how it affects him and his surroundings. Very cool, one of the reasons I love this mod and game.

@RedSpade37 Год назад

How have I, major fan of this series and its video game adaptations, missed that? Thank you for mentioning it!

@DirtTheGamer 3 года назад

Imagine if the Game of Throne writers put this much thought into how the characters teleported, I mean traveled.

@coreymayo8321 3 года назад

Hexcrawl vs. hand-wavy theater of the mind

@awesomeluciano78 3 года назад

When reading the books it's pretty evident that Tolkien had experience with war firsthand and troop movements as well.

@Khantia 3 года назад

GRRM actually did put this much thought into it. Just the TV show writers didn't care :P

@Enonymouse_ 3 года назад

Big difference between writing a book and writing a screen play. Screen plays have considerations forced upon them a novelist doesn't need to concern themselves with. Tolkien was an amazing author.

@HackerArmy03 3 года назад

The TV version of Game of Thrones you mean. GRRM hasn't even begun to write the ending for his books. TV/studio foreign writers are honestly such a dumb dumb, remember what happened with the hobbit? Such a shame.

@misterbadguy7325 Год назад

Denethor being actually 100% right in this timeline is so goddamn funny.

@Facade953 Год назад

A " wise " and " misunderstood " man!😅🤣

@jout738 Год назад

Who is Denethor by the way?

@thebigshep Год назад

@@jout738 Boromir's (Sean Bean's) shitty dad. The one that makes Pippin sing and also later burns himself to death while trying to light his other son on fire

@milannagy4281 Год назад

@@jout738 Father of Boromir and Faramir

@shaeltr Год назад

@@jout738 the dood who get caught in fire and to extinguish itself he jump on top of Minas Tirith 💀

@henrywebb3009 Год назад

I just found your channel. This is such an interesting take, and I really appreciate the time you put into researching this.

@acehardware2823 Год назад

God damn, I can't believe I've been sitting on this channel for a year. I never thought it would be in line with the books instead of the movie. Instant sub!

@paulgallagher5889 3 года назад

Some tales are "There and Back Again." Others are "Boromir: Or How I Walked Around For 5 Months and Became King!"

@MANB91UK 3 года назад

Well, at least it only took him five months, he didn't have to spend a few years in a frozen cave learning how to become an emotionless drip that can navigate the Middle-Earthern-Tree-Internet

@blshouse 3 года назад

One does not simply walk to Imladris.

@masterexploder9668 3 года назад

Boromir had the best story, so he's king now.

@ricksaburai 3 года назад

It's still "There and Back Again" if you think about it lol

@MelindaGreen 3 года назад

Who made him king? I didn't vote for him!

@jeanbizet931 3 года назад

Boromir: *holy hell I finally found this place* Elrond: *you have no need here, go back*

@Langstondennis 3 года назад

*Photoshopped Sean Bean's face into Mike Wazowski meme*

@hisnotsolonely2961 3 года назад

At least he didn't die in this version so far 13:00 Edit: he didn't die which is nice

@Langstondennis 3 года назад

@@hisnotsolonely2961 wait until Middle Earth terraforms into Westeros

@jeanbizet931 3 года назад

@@Langstondennis 😂😂

@saraola6477 3 года назад

Seven hells

@Tehownilator 5 месяцев назад

It’s so crazy to think that Bombadil asks to see the ring, laughs at it, and then puts in on his pinky for a joke and doesn’t disappear. Then he can see Frodo while he’s wearing it.. The humility this imbues in me, I can’t express.

@mspence9596 5 месяцев назад

I am new to your channel but have been a true LOTR fan for years. I absolutely love watching and listening because of the knowledge it portrays. I love diving deeper and learning more than what I’ve seen on the movies and what I’ve read. Thank you for sharing your research and discoveries

@davidanderson_surrey_bc 3 года назад

Gollum: How the hell am I going to lure a WIZARD into the lair of Shelob?

@saltedllama2759 3 года назад

Underrated post right here.

@jarskil8862 3 года назад

Tell Gandalf that there is Old Toby in the cave?

@Telepian 3 года назад

gandalf wouldn't need gollum because he already knew the way

@astwas 3 года назад

He tells him a naked Dumbledore is in the cave waiting for him

@spiderprint 3 года назад

*Cough* Eagles *cough*

@keithjzammit 3 года назад

This is impossible. Sean Bean didn’t die in this movie. So it just cannot be. Sorry.

@simonhbacon 3 года назад

Sean Bean plays Aragorn in this version?

@nodaknegan9111 3 года назад

Right! He would have turned down the role! "I dont die?!" "Feck that!"

@keithjzammit 3 года назад

@@simonhbacon seems possible! I think Bean could make a good Aragorn

@dandini0698 3 года назад

We can fix it! On the road back to his home city, Sean Bean öhömmm... I mean Boromir, walking while watching the beautiful glades of Rivendell, trips over a tree root and falls, until his head experiences a sudden stop by a giant rock.

@Nutsaur 3 года назад

@@simonhbacon Seen Been.

@PierreThierryKPH 2 месяца назад

I love how you don't just speculate but base your theories in various writings of Tolkien. It's refreshing!

@Delta9Church 11 месяцев назад

Your voice work is so great! Glad i just stumbled on this channel.

@psychepeteschannel5500 2 года назад

Complete Travels of Boromir (Gandalf the Ring-Lord Edition): "He runs a lap around Middle-Earth, doing nothing. For this great service to the free peoples, he is crowned king." THE END

@psychepeteschannel5500 2 года назад

@Allied Empire United Countries of the World I would like to see the look on Boromirs face as he returns, after walking around for a year getting no results, to suddenly being told that the war is won and he is king :D

@joyfulyes 2 года назад

@@psychepeteschannel5500 love the absurdity of it. There's something Python-esque about it, isn't there?

@alaljarensi6990 2 года назад

Corrupted Gandalf would give king Boromir a new ring of power and immortality.

@andreasul2608 2 года назад

Movie elrond: Strangers from middle earth, friends of old. You've been *summoned* here to answer the threat of morder. Book elrond: Why does random people of different races keep appearing in my super secret hidden place?

@pickybitch2707 2 года назад

🤣🤣🤣 true!

@psychepeteschannel5500 2 года назад

Yeah :D that is the book version alright. But I think it is quite fitting. The evil is simply rising everywhere, all sides are taking notice around the same time and so Elrond would likely say something like "It has begun"... or perhaps he would say "I was expecting you, Mr. Anderson". Who knows :D

@andysuryantorovanruzzette8085 2 года назад

@@psychepeteschannel5500 dang it, you cracked me 😂😂

@InquisitiveUniverse 2 года назад

😂😂😂😂

@LagunaShirogane 2 года назад

@@psychepeteschannel5500 Elrond takes the ring...hence we have Agent Smith

@joestar99 Год назад

Thanks for the What Ifs, I've always enjoyed stories like these.

@informationageenterprise2184 Год назад

Dude, the voices you do are incredible!

@lotsofspots 3 года назад

So, in this timeline, Denethor doesn't eat a tomato? Where do I sign up?

@adryanmonk 3 года назад

This is my favourite comment so far and there are many good ones around. Well done, good dir.

@kongchangfan2237 3 года назад

i still feel kinda traumatised by seeing this creature eating his meal :O thanks for warming it up, haha

@Missingafool 3 года назад

That was brilliant and so spot on! Well done sir! We'll done!

@nodaknegan9111 3 года назад

That tomato seen makes my girlfreind puke every time. Funny shit yo.

@monex6447 3 года назад

The only thing worse was the one dude in the Hobbit eating balls

@zoltanposfai3451 3 года назад

"All hail the new king, Boromir Blisterfoot!"

@JakeRivers 2 года назад

😂

@shanedude91 2 года назад

Lmao

@odger3700 2 года назад

lol Best comment :D

@tijltrienen 2 года назад

Nahh he rides a horse. So its marathon horse of lonely boromir

@zoltanposfai3451 2 года назад

@@tijltrienen I don't think he touched a horse in the entire story, except for the ponies carrying their supplies.

@ryzenforce Год назад

Excellent theory! I am a new subscriber of your channel I have discovered only a few days ago, and I must say you researchs, explanation and videos are outstanding. I didn't really read the books of Tolkien beside The Hobbit and LoTR, but I have always wanted to understand more. Your channel brings this to me. Now it's mine!

@gabrielegilodi3489 Год назад

Love this channel! Congrats!

@bryndynirving7333 3 года назад

The only flaw with this theory is that Sean Bean doesn't die.

@MrSyco07 3 года назад

One does not simply... save Sean Bean.

@damianrehbein3992 3 года назад

@@MrSyco07 Come on, once we can give him. But just once he has a reputation to hold up.

@damianrehbein3992 3 года назад

@Grandson Of Cherve Maybe.

@TurboSilke 3 года назад

yeah, the movie version of this would need to recast Borimir.

@roman2374 3 года назад

They would’ve simply cast Viggo as Boromir and Sean Bean as Aragorn! And there we have a pointless death

@fenixmyaroon8633 2 года назад

Dude every LOTR nerd needs to know you exist, you put so much effort and have great inflections when speaking. This is how I want to ingest my LOTR content from now on. Clean, well written, and produced with real heart.

@NerdoftheRings 2 года назад

Thanks so much! I truly appreciate it! :)

@watkins7086 2 года назад

100% agree

@aceofspades4948 2 года назад

Exactly what I thought when first watched

@cmdrTremyss 2 года назад

He is like a fine glass of whisky after a long day.

@Ubermensch201 2 года назад

I've been stuck on them for a week now lol I love it

@somanken 8 месяцев назад

Wow that was so much cooler than i expected, i love how accurate and fitting this theory was, just makes me think how horrifying the world under gandalf ring bearer could become

@KR11472 2 дня назад

A commenter is never late. Nor is he early. He comments precisely when he means to

@melsilva9158 3 года назад

This made me think of a quote from Yoda, "Paved with good intentions the path to the dark side often is".

@sacharriolamarino317 3 года назад

What about Yoda with the ring?

@thunderstrike842 3 года назад

@@sacharriolamarino317 the cockring?

@alexworld1992 3 года назад

An original quote: The path to hell is paved with good intensions - I think it is old testament Biblical

@scottfitzpatrick1939 3 года назад

100% true

@castletreetv149 3 года назад

Yoda and Gandalf should team up

@WardenFG 2 года назад

I believe that Galadriel, sensing Gandalf's actions with the Ring would travel West as she does on the book and eventually warn the Valar of what's going on. Then a crazy war would happen between the Valar and Gandalf controlling the Nazgul. - Cheers from Argentina!

@spiffygonzales5899 2 года назад

I dunno about the crazy war part. Gandalf would be powerful but not dumb. I don't think he'd pull a Morgoth and start shattering continents and allying with (potentially) mountain sized spiders.

@LateNightVibes56 2 года назад

@@spiffygonzales5899 mountain spiders?

@spiffygonzales5899 2 года назад

@@LateNightVibes56 Yea. Ungoliant. It's more or less left up to speculation as to how big EXACTLY she grew, but I've heard some very interesting arguments that she'd be hundreds of feet tall.

@WardenFG 2 года назад

@@spiffygonzales5899 I agree with you, I kinda pictured it like Galadriel going to the Valar and the Valar taking action before Gandalf gets to do anything stupid. Yeah, maybe a "crazy war" wouldn't come to pass.

@joaofarias9986 2 года назад

The Valar don't give enough fucks to stop him. If they did, Tulkas could have killed him in three days, two of these days woyls be the travel to Mordor and back.

@trentw.3566 Год назад

I love these scenarios of yours. Well thought out and compellingly detailed. You ought to get ROP to give you a job with them.

@borntobewilde1971 Год назад

This is my first time at your channel but I'll be back. You did some work on this. The timeline deviations and resulting consequences were intriguing.

@tuseroni6085 2 года назад

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."- cs lewis.

@Rayzorbladez 2 года назад

So, democrats.

@j.h.oldman7708 2 года назад

Insightful. A brilliant wordsmith.

@JoeCold 2 года назад

Resounds loudly on this September day in 2021.

@brokenwingbird2552 2 года назад

Nah.. Cause its what we currently live under. You know nothing else

@ace2times235 2 года назад

Great quote

@gamingwithquancena4989 3 года назад

Totally serious video idea: What if Thorins company turned around to get Bilbos handkerchief

@NerdoftheRings 3 года назад

😂😂 Would’ve been catastrophic!

@fredtrunce5931 3 года назад

Probably nothing? Thorin’s company sits around waiting for Durin’s day for like a week don’t they? And before that they wait around in lake town for like a month.

@LookingTheBest 3 года назад

WAAAAAAAIIIIIITTTT.

@patrickramseyart 3 года назад

Stop! Stop! We have to turn around.

@tygovisser5626 3 года назад

Bilbo would have something else (handkerchief) to call precious and never gets corrupted by the ring

@Tabur Год назад

I wonder how happy would JRR be if he had had the chance to watch these videos. Good job

@AnaInTh3Sky Год назад

I'm high as a kite and just came across this channel... this is trippy af, but what I find even more fascinating than the stories is the fact that someone actually makes a very good living out of this channel... you have to love the internet!!!! So awesome 😂

@CognizantCheddar 2 года назад

Gandalf in possession of the One Ring makes a lot of sense as an Anti-Villain. That said... can Sauron truly be destroyed so long as the Ring is intact? Even by a fellow Maia? Aren't we told over and over again that so long as the Ring exists, Sauron _can't_ be permanently vanquished? So, for me, this suggests a wrinkle in this scenario, in which part of the reason why a Ring possessing Gandalf becomes a tyrant is exactly because the threat of Sauron permanently lingers around Middle-earth -- Gandalf uses the constant threat of Sauron's return to justify everything he does as tyrant.

@guccifer764 2 года назад

Tolkien himself admitted that theoretically, someone _could_ become the rings new master, severing Sauron’s hold over it. However, in doing so, they would become an even greater Dark Lord than Sauron ever was. So, it’s kind if a pointless endeavour if your goal is to make sure there is no Dark Lord.

@Ubermensch201 2 года назад

@@guccifer764 why would the new owner be an even greater Dark Lord than Sauron?? Especially if it's just a Man or "regular" Elf.. Seeing as Sauron was a Maia so anything less wouldn't be as powerful as him, you'd think

@guccifer764 2 года назад

@@Ubermensch201 It’s not so much that the Ring could turn Steve from accounting into an even more powerful dark lord. It’s more that the ring could only be mastered by someone who already had the potential of being a worse dark lord, like Gandalf or Galadriel.

@justink1985 2 года назад

@@Ubermensch201 For someone to take it from Sauron one would have to be even more powerful and they in time would also be corrupted. Creating an even worse situation. I think this is more whats alluded to in the books or what Tolkien meant by it.

@ricardokowalski1579 2 года назад

What if ... Gandalf does not kill Sauron? If Gandalf can command the Nine... could he also use the ring to subdue Sauron himself? Is obedience a worse fate than death to Sauron? Sauron as a Gandalf lackey, would be interesting and terrible. He would do exactly what Gandalf orders...but everything would be done with resentment and hatred.

@RachelHardy 3 года назад

You put an incredible amount of time and effort into your videos. This is awesome, I'm hooked on your videos!

@codyallen2838 3 года назад

Hey Rachel! I love your music, and I think you're pretty darn cute! (:

@kirkpatrickg191 3 года назад

@sandychen1381 3 года назад

@castletreetv149 3 года назад

Agreed!

@eriksalholm 3 года назад

@sampetty5768 Год назад

That was so well put together and thought out

@danielsalas3394 7 месяцев назад

You got me hooked, good job

@natehall2573 3 года назад

@Crash103179 3 года назад

A most appropriate quote.

@filipferencak2717 3 года назад

Monotheistic Gods be like:

@whitingpie5146 2 года назад

Hate to bring Politics into it, but sounds awful lot like Far Leftists of today who have turned into the Fascists they claim to oppose. All for our own good.

@era5773 2 года назад

Good .

@drunkenphilosopher5159 2 года назад

@@filipferencak2717 never saw someone so stupid lol. "Monotheistic" and "Gods" in one sentence. The logic.

@Krisu_1000 3 года назад

Sean Bean approves this no-dying ending

@deusexaethera 3 года назад

Wait for the sequel.

@redwaldcuthberting7195 2 года назад

Sean Bean has a clause that he's contractually obligated to die in everything he's in. 😏

@paxnorth7304 2 года назад

now THAT'S soldiering

@samanthadrennan 9 месяцев назад

This was just super well done and entertaining.

@abudia6403 Год назад

Because Gandalf is of good nature, the rings will eventually consume and destroy him. He will no longer be himself

@drewboogie2849 3 года назад

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

@Saphire_Throated_Carpenter_Ant 3 года назад

and the road to good intentions can take you through hell.

@renato3 3 года назад

There are people who have to go through hell before understanding the value of good intentions. Others do not. They are already wise

@pwnmeisterage 3 года назад

Our mythology offers intrinsically good and holy artifacts, things like the Holy Grail. Middle Earth's mythology offers intrinsically evil and unholy artifacts, things like the One Ring. While the intrinsically good and holy powers are immortal beings like Gandalf and Sarumon - who can be corrupted.

@CalridRobnor123srs 3 года назад

@James Gravil The endless Tolkien theme, a thing in itself is not good or evil with the exception of the ring because it was much of Sauron's malice and will, but the peoples of Middle Earth are corrupted by power, even by tools that are meant for good, and even with the best will in the world. eg get that +5 sword, and you become hastened towards fighting things to get the better chance at a critical to use RPG nerd speak. And then you get your skull cleaved by an axe wielding orc horde. Tis ever and so. :)

@CalridRobnor123srs 3 года назад

You kinda have to remember too, The Lord of the rings is a Biblical Exegesis too, it's what it is about really, especially when you consider as some people have said CS Lewis (A Christian Apologist) influence on Tolkiens story. The Silmarillion is the war for heaven in The Bible and the LotR is the end times when the beast comes to corrupt men because they are jealous of their free will.

@Autocratical 3 года назад

I’d like to think that the ring would betray Gandalf just when he needed it most, if not as they enter Mordor with the 9 turning on him or perhaps slipping off his finger during the confrontation with Sauron.

@namankumar1677 3 года назад

Yeah, I think this is much more likely. Gandalf is not the true lord of the ring, the ring knows that. It would betray him at a crucial moment.

@ricksaburai 3 года назад

@@namankumar1677 could be. But then again, unlike lesser wielders of the ring who were betrayed by it, Gandalf is a Maia, same as Sauron. Just like Gandalf's will was prone to its corruption, so could he too subjugate the One Ring's will. I think it's quite possible considering he had more potential than Sauron after becoming a dark lord.

@namankumar1677 3 года назад

@@ricksaburai You might be right, not just because Gandalf is a Maia but because he also carried Narya. I wonder what carrying two rings of power does to you.

@HeavyMetalGamingHD 3 года назад

I am pretty sure that gandalf would be able to defeat sauron. sauron is very weakened without the ring. he put his own power into forging it. the ring is basically a part of him. both of them are mayar. they are on the same level and gandalf had narya. But sauron would never fight gandalf without this theory. Sauron did basically never fight unless it was completely unavoidable. The last alliance besieged barad dur for seven years until he finally entered the fight.

@CaptainKirkZ1LLA 3 года назад

That's a pretty tough sell. Abandoning someone like Gollum, sure. Leading Isildur to his death, Numenor or not, he's still just a man. But Gandalf is a being of great power. The only real complication as far as taming the Ring is concerned, is that Olorin, when he was sent to Middle-Earth actually feared Sauron, and was uncertain of his ability to keep him in check. That may play into the Ring swaying him or vice-versa.

@cgsweat 9 месяцев назад

26K from 1 million subscribers! I'm really rooting for you!

@SchillerDD 5 месяцев назад

In the lord of the rings strategy games from back then you could actually give Gandalf the ring. There was a good and evil version. Was very cool

@JMThought 3 года назад

This was fun as a one off especially as Tolkien talked about it himself.

@yisroelackerman 3 года назад

That’s right! In his letters he says Gandalf would have been a “self-righteous” despot. This video acts like Tolkien himself didn’t already have this conversation.

@vaahtobileet 3 года назад

@@yisroelackerman he quotes that very letter in the video. Maybe you didn't watch it?

@justanothaguy3714 3 года назад

@@yisroelackerman Only now we have a engaging 20m video to enjoy rather then a single sentence. Its backed by a love of the world and the care to consider timelines and personalities. Do not disregard the beauty of a rose because you choose to grasp its stem rather enjoy is visage.

@yisroelackerman 3 года назад

@@justanothaguy3714 okay

@thomashall3314 3 года назад

@@justanothaguy3714 YEAAAHH.

@istvanfodor9749 3 года назад

Best channel to listen to in-between first and second breakfast

@NerdoftheRings 3 года назад

Most important meals of the day too!

@FreeSCV 3 года назад

@@NerdoftheRings an absolute treat to be sure! =)

@stonefox9124 2 года назад

Best at tea...

@dheijnemans 2 года назад

No mistake!

@Daydy377 Год назад

"True courage is not knowing when to spare a life but when to take one _by incineration_ Boromir, so take the crown and shut up"

@user-lz9ys9ex1q 8 месяцев назад

And I want to thank you for all of the hidden lore you're channel has taught me I'm a freaking nerd myself when it come to tlotr

@EletroBeau 3 года назад

Whenever there's a struggle for power and land, Sean Bean dies.

@castletreetv149 3 года назад

Weak!

@shawnm4759 2 года назад

I really like the poetic justice of Isildurs heir being the one begging someone to "CAST IT INTO THE FIYAH!"

@SketchieDemon Год назад

Amazing theory that gets the mind turning to flesh out more details and what it's. I could see a really cool fanmade storyboard /manga or anime adaption going well with this.

@ogion539 Год назад

Great video. One thing that I noticed while listening, is how similar Gandalf's endgame is to Magus Bayaz from The First Law trilogy. Honestly, while clearly evil, Bayaz keeps the kingdom in good shape (through subversion and intimidation) and manages to bring about peace.

@crazyd3uces 3 года назад

My wife just asked me what I was watching, and I replied "a hypothetical conjecture about if Gandalf di-..." she's like stop stop stop I don't care lol

@anakay1184 3 года назад

I'm sorry that you chose mistakenly

@bitchursofake 3 года назад

I too apologize for your mistakes

@mitzukirigaya3180 3 года назад

there will be preyers for you our fallen friend

@BeardAxeMcAxeBeard 3 года назад

Divorce

@leothelion19 3 года назад

Divorce her lol

@medyoscientific Год назад

Man… I expected the usual analysis of power levels and abilities, not a whole timetable for traveling on horse and foot!!! Amazing work!

@cjhiggins3803 9 месяцев назад

Really enjoyable hypothesis though. Very interesting and likely outcome showing good understanding of the subject matter. Thnx

@andromedacarina Год назад

I like this scenario, though it seems to me to ignore the primary concept of the One Ring, that it only has one master, and works its will to get back to Sauron, betraying all others who wield it. I imagine the boss fight between Gandalf and Sauron coming to a head, and just when it seems all hope is nearing triumph, the Ring betrays Gandalf - perhaps by tightening at an inopportune time and taking the wizard's mind off the battle at a critical moment, or drawing on the ring of fire and burning his hand, or drawing his will towards submission to Sauron now that the source is so near. Or just being a dick and do what it does best: slipping off that darn finger.

@dark7element Год назад

As the video mentions, the author himself said that Gandalf might've been able to use the ring to defeat Sauron.

@Gilliganfrog 12 дней назад

In Gandalf, just as in Saruman or Galadriel, the Ring's treachery would result not in its betrayal of the weakling new wielder (e.g. Isildur, Smeagol, Bilbo, Frodo) but rather in its recognition of an immensely strong new wielder and the creation of a new "Sauron" to be loyal to. The old, original Sauron would never touch his Ring again.

@stand355 3 года назад

Gollum is going to get his shit beaten out of him by a dark Gandalf everytime he tries to steal the Ring.

@gandalf7262 3 года назад

Yes

@sledge2742 3 года назад

This cracked me up 🤣

@chriscobble48 3 года назад

"You poor, wretched soul," Gandalf said, standing over the cowering figure of Gollum. "The torture you must feel, the sadness and longing in your soul for that which does not belong to you!" "Smeagle will serve Master, will protect his precious, will do as Master Wizard says!" croaked Gollum, wringing his hands and backing away from the towering figure before him. A light shone now in Gandalf's gray eyes, a spark mirroring the very fires of Mount Doom. " Oh, pitiful creature, I do not need you as a servant, " chuckled Gandalf, raising his staff. "With this Ring, all of Middle Earth shall serve me. I have no need for your sniveling wretchedness!" Gollum's screams echoed through the night as the Gray Wizard drew near, but were cut suddenly short. The night air grew silent as a dark cloud rolled across the moon.

@stiimuli 2 года назад

I think the real tragedy here is Borimir going all that way to Rivendel for nothing and has to WALK all the way back home. He was probably attacked by a moose on the way back and never seen again.