What if Germany did not made mistakes during Operation Barbarossa?-Hoi4 Timelapse 

Barbarossa was more successful than this in 1941

Axis had a lot more problems than mistakes

It's impossible to not make mistakes in a war of this scale.

Barbarossa was the best option available to the Germans in 1941 because it was the only option available to them which offered the prospect of relieving the dire economic situation which they were in. They were strapped for natural resources of all kinds before the war even began. By early 1941, many of them (particularly copper, chromium ore, zinc, manganese, rubber, and oil) were in short supply because their conquests in the west had begun boosting Germany's stocks but had barely added to their production. The long- term outlook for Germany was dire unless they could secure the natural resources which they needed- and the Soviet Union was the only area which had them. On the other hand, the war against Britain was nothing but a drag on Germany's efforts to establish an enduring empire. A neutral Britain would have required a strong Kriegsmarine to enforce neutrality- and the resources for that could only have come from the army and air force which were facing an inevitable showdown with the Russians. A conquered Britain would have required the Germans to provide for the basic necessities for some 70 million British subjects- and the Germans had neither the food, natural resources, nor shipping to provide for that. They in fact struggled just to provide for a minimum supply of continental Europe. All this said, Barbarossa was all but doomed from the outset. The German 'army' required one high speed rail line to supply each army, but the Russian rail net was so poor that each such line had to supply an army group. Between this and an equally poor road net, the Germans were forced to live off the land for foodstuffs. A May 1941 meeting of the National Socialist leadership concluded that many millions of Russians would die or be forced to flee to Siberia if the Germans took what they needed. The unofficial number thrown around was approximately 15 million. This alone guaranteed that the German armed forces would be opposed by the entire Russian people. It's little surprise that a popular Russian slogan during the conflict was "Comrade kill your German". The Germans 'might' have eventually emerged victorious despite all of these obstacles, but the war against Britain and (above all) Lend Lease shipments doomed them. Lend Lease prevented millions of Russians from literally starving to death, supplied all but eight (8) locomotives for Russian railways, motorized Russian infantry formations, and supplied over 3/4ths of the Russian Air Force's high octane aviation fuel used by the latest generation of Lagg, Mig, and Yak fighters. The Nazis took on entirely too many opponents, and- fortunately for the world of today- they failed.

There's a reason why Norway was invaded before France because alot of Iron ore came from Sweden through Norwegian ports so no way would Norway be under Ally control that long without major battles or Germany might as well call the whole thing off

Hitlers mistake was to turn Guderian from a way to Moscow south, to encircle soviets in Kiev. Germans could capture Moscow in October getting the upper hand in terms of logistics, morale, industrial base, maybe even capturing Moscow would be the end of USSR. Another blunder was to ignore Africa. It was not strongly defended by allies and taking Egypt and Suez canal would get Axis control over Mediterranean and Middle East. Iraq was Hitlers ally. Turkey, surrounded by Axis, would be forced to join them and attack nearby soviet oil fields from Caucasus. Its just a glimpse of what could happen.

The biggest mistake was to START Barbarossa when the UK had not been defeated yet. Never fight a two front war. Period. But lucky for us, the certifiable geniuses among us often fail spectacularly. From a modern German in Hamburg who is happy not to demonstrate daily how high a German shepherd can jump. (Just for clarification: about as high as a straight raised right arm to shoulder height).

Their main mistake in barbarossa is that they started it

You see his second mistake was letting me encircle all those divisions, of course his first mistake was challenging me in the first place.

the biggest mistake was to start Barbarossa, the second mistake was to led the Sowjets evacuate their industry. They should have bombed the railway lines around the big industrial centers or demolish them with special forces.

norway would have been taken way before due to iron ore. Also Greece destroyed Italy which led to Barbarossa delays. If not, southern flank would have been attached by the British.

One of the biggest blunders was the reflector plate in the Enigma. Without that, the major weakness of Enigma (never encoding a letter into itself) would have been removed, making it unlikely to be broken.

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Im going to make the argument that Barbarosa was a near perfect operation. The invasion happened on schedule and the campaign in Greece did not interupt anything due to very well planned logistics. The problems began on December 7th 1941 when Hitler foolishly declared war on the United States. That was followed up by a clownish operation into the caucasus where Hitler ran two armies into one another that culminated in the Battle of Stalingrad. In the unknown time between invading Russia and only being at war with the UK, one can wonder how different the world would be if Hitler had wanted to invade England and take over Africa and the middle east. Or a world where Neville Chamberlain is PM and peace is made with Germany in a combined effort against Russia.

I'd argue Operation Barbarossa was a mistake in itself, making this kind of redundant

Not sure if the AI scenario takes into consideration logistics - but I think this is really where the German Army failed especially when they were far into Russia.

In real life, the invasion itself was the mistake, in a game you can 'fix' that mistake by winning which is not possible given the numbers 'game' at play with Russia USA and just Germany and friends. Also if the mistake continues of not countering the RAF but bomb cities in the UK, the RAF in this alternate timeline would also break german air forces and open them up to being bombed to rubble just like happened in history.

thats about how its of went if not diverting most of the power to stalingrad and also not ordering them to stop.

The mistake was being ordered to move vehicals through rivers of mud that destroyed or wore out every last vehicle they had.

The question in the title is "What if...". I think Robert Harris answered it well in "Fatherland"

When you look to the casualties, i am not sure that Axis made no mistake....

how did you get those statistics?

Operation Barbarossa was an operation that could have succeeded. The thing to do is very simple. At the beginning of November 1941, the advance would stop and instead of going on the offensive, it would be defensive until the end of winter. Trenches would be dug and the line would be completely defended. Logistics would also be strengthened and the necessary supplies and ammunition would be stockpiled on the front line. In this way Army Group Center would not suffer too many casualties and would be ready for the next offensive. After that, Moscow must definitely fall first, Stalingrad should not have been the priority, this was a mistake. The most important place after Moscow fell was the oil fields in Baku. The Luftwaffe should definitely have achieved air superiority in the Caucasus, sent paratroopers to Baku and captured it, and then Army Group should have advanced into the Caucasus from South Crimea. Then, in a joint operation with Finland, Leningrad, the last strategic position, would be taken and the Soviets would retreat to the Ural Mountains and the war would unofficially end.

I bet your pc specs are good

Logistics, weather, terrain conditions and scale of war.

One can see how stupid the AI is in this game...moving units from the Russian front to Spain and back again! lol Used to love this game but not played it for over a year! Nice vid though!

What if Germany had launched Barbarossa on schedule?

I mean axis pretty much just lost all of its manpower with that push lol

Those logistics in peak 1942 must’ve been a nightmare. How could one nation even feed its troops, replenish ammo, give air support to soldiers in practically a different world so far East

WW2 was a perfect storm for Germany. Disgraced nation, united by a charismatic leader. Technology advancement, begging to be used in a total war. Brilliant generals, yearning to utilize this technology and finally given full respect and freedom from the state. Divided and morally bankrupt allies. Soviet Union in shambles, disorganized and weak, due to Stalin's paranoia. Everyone else kept making mistakes. When they stopped making mistakes, Germany stopped winning. Perfect storm had passed.

Just imagine Stalin being brought to Berlin in shackles, his trial, execution being filmed to be shown to the German populace in movie theaters.

1) Error: not delete Britany. 2) Error: no ocupy Africa. 3) Error: attack SSSR.

Then August 1945 rolls around, Berlin is hit with an atomic bomb with a decapitating attack.

Your typical German game :D

Alternative title: what if the Allies didn't realize they could d-day(maybe they tried to or maybe they got blocked by navy but still the soviets held until January 1945 the Allies have no excuse for not landing anything with the industry they had.

My every single game when I’m random country not Germany

Question is. Would the atomic bomb yield the same outcome anyways but they would have just used it everywhere

Actually start the operation on 10 July is a huge mistake

hey man i got one question how tf do you make these vids?

Did you micro manage or give orders?

I mean to go south to Stalingrad was the greatest mistake. It madet the front larger, supply way longer. Better was to focus the mid to cut north and south suppline line.

What if. What if France did not make mistakes. What if Soviet Union did not make mistakes.

they didn't really make mistakes and if they did they we're in high risk high reward situations like when hitler send down half of the southern army to capture the soviet fleeing army in the caucus because the soviets started to withdraw and retreat when the axis tried to encricle them so they tried outrunning them if that worked the axis would have captured most of the caucus as the soviets still could reinforce it from iran but they failed and the 6th army was left to alone take stalingrad

And what if Russia did not made mistakes during Operation Barbarossa?

Launching it in the first place was a mistake. The question is moot.

When France falls the Allies army size doesn't not change, France 2mio man strong at the time...

We fought the wrong enemy in ww2.

Starting in August?! LOL

Invading Russia early in the summer instead of being delayed by helping Italy would have made a good difference too

basically if germany put they tanks in moscow

Barbarossa was the mistake

How did you make this??

That territorial gain in Russia without the capture of the Caucasus oil fields?

We'd be speaking German right now if Hitler didn't swing back to Kiev & kept pushing on Moscow.

Which errors exactly?😅

Barbarossa itself was the mistake.

What if Germany did not made mistakes, and going to war, but make Friendship and Piece in Europe ? 😇

Yes, what if Germany did not "made" mistakes during Operation Barbarossa?

2:23 the entire Europe is axis except for nuetral switzerland.

It's an interesting concept but i personally just do not agree it would have happened this way. At the start of Barbarossa, the Germans were already having major issues with supply and resources. Their allies in the Romanians and Italians were just not up to the task in holding their part on the Russian front. The Germans constantly had to divert resources to those locations to help them. Not to mention, the further east they pushed the greater the strain was on their logistics and re supply chain. There is just no realistic way Germany would have been able to continue to pump resources so far east without interruption. The allies faced these issues too and a lot of time had to focus on a single operation or base of attack rather than supplying all fronts. Moscow falling would have been a blow but if you look at the Russian history in warfare it shows that it would also have stood as a rallying cry for resistance. It would have hardened them. At that point in the operation the Russian war machine was in full swing, unmolested, sending massive train caravans to the west and would have still overwhelmed the Germans. While the Germans would not have been able to properly supply it's ever-expanding eastern front. Not to mention, with the time table changing in this situation, how would the rest of the allies behaved? would the western front have been opened up sooner? I think it would have. I think that the moment they stepped foot on russian soil, they were doomed.

Why are axis casualties so high in a win?

I see what you did here. You focused all the forces on Moscow instead of trying to take Leningrad and Stalingrad. But you forget the Italians would've had to hold up their end of things and not get caught up in Yugoslavia. Rommel would had to have done better in North Africa. A lot of things would've had to have gone right, but didn't. IFFFFFF the codebreakers failed to crack the Japanese code at Midway the US would've lost in the Pacific and ended up diverting all war efforts to save Hawaii which would've delayed Lend Lease for USSR and UK. That means no North Africa push and definitely no D-Day. And Hitler would've had to have been sane and not craved capturing cities named after his communist enemies.

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Maybe only mistake was to start whole operation. Soviet Union stopped germans before help from USA had time to be really big factor.

The mistake was to attack in the first place.

Germany made almost no mistakes, it was just fighting against the world.

The first step was a mistake.

Good little fun PC game. How Axis could have really won. 1) Started making better tech support into Gasafirers in 1938 not 1943 with Goring 2) Rebuild all of Poland rail lines to Russia gauge. (work force of ex-polish army) 2,00000 and moved them straight into Russia once attacked to help Germany rail battalions so line repair to about 20km per day. That is about 3600km track and warehouse in before snow 1941. Moscow is, like, 1800km so a lot of in between network could easily be done. 3) All Germany locomotive +running stock built from 1939 Russia gauge 2500+ built =1939-1941 alone. 4) Build 300,000 + Gasafirers trucks to unload trains in Russia and network. So Germany logic's basically up from 30% to maybe 75% as good as Russia supply lines. 5) Only build the 88mm gun,1 inf gun,1little inf mach gun 1 heavy Mach gun,Stug,panzer4,tiger 1 Bf109 (38-41) Fw190(41-45), etc have Me 262 by (42) If more work put into Logistics, syn fuel/ gas-wood fuel per war and push only Russia Centre and South. Don't push north, let Finland, axis minor slowly drain Russia out of North zone. 6) If axis pushed Russia and controlled Baku oil fields by the end of 1942. Russia in 1943 couldn't have attacked =tanks or feed = trucks or moved = trucks. 7) USA 1943 couldn't have supply Russia oil needs at war. Yes, 10% at best. 8) All axis would have Oil 1943 100% Fleets/Subs Training pilot /Tanks etc. 9)) All germ indust, at 100% 1943 with war economy. 10) All Russia indust at most 25% without oil. Zero training pilot, tanks etc. 11) Russia death rate would 1943 go up 4 times and civil rate 10 times. Lend lease would be cut by easily 80% only have from south. Norway's area would be Wolf pack heaven and axis control air. Zero carrier's zero Russia air from zero fuel. 11) Hitler does deal with Turkey 1943 land zone for Buka oil field to Turkey for them to join axis. That another 5million Men into supply, army, axis production. 12) Hitler with new axis minor can push into southern Russia even more but free up Germany manpower to send back home to build the next tech level machines 1943 winter for death kill Russia 1944 summer. Germany would have (PERFECT) Panther,Tiger1 FW 190 as fight bombers ME 262 fighters only. Building 4engine bombers to kill last industry in the Urals. Nothing Russia has could stop them. Panther full trained vs T34 untrained.etc. Dennis-Michael.

Timelapse decent but why the title. It’s literally just a normal Germany game.

I have a counter question. What if Russians or Soviets did not make so many mistakes in 1941? The war would end in 1942 or 1943 latest , probably with some peace between USSR and Germany and the western part of Europe would have remained under Nazi Germany......so there are always scenarios...

What software or game is he running?

Why were there Japanese troops on the eastern front? Shouldn't they focus on Asia?

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Can anyone answer this question seriously. If Hitler hated mankind so much, why build only the best to keep his troop, pilot safe. Why not just build coffin like UK, USA, Russia. Weird ha. Maybe Allies didn't care for their people, but unit = money Russia I understand but not UK or USA. Not saying war good. But weird ha. Why build Units bad when you own 80% of world resources, tech, manpower etc. Almost like a good way to have a kill off. Remember, without a Will and Testament, the Crown gets all die soldiers and Civilian land/money if uncontested. That is why Dog-Tags are used.

Ridiculous. The Logistik would have been a pure Nightmare with such Front + anglosaxons would have won in West + atomic bomb on Berlin in 1945. Sole result: No Iron curtain in 1947.

Barbarossa was the mistake Germany made in 1941.

Even the ai had better plans than hitler💀

Comitern casulities +25 million

Stalin went all in on Stalingrad had they given up on that city it could have made all the difference

The German logistics could not sustain the campaign. Most of the mistakes were because of that.

Germany knew very little of the Soviet Union and for that reason they paid the price .

Germany's biggest mistake was Barbarossa itself

There was no mistakes....

The question in the title is posed in the wrong way. Germany made mistakes because they had not the men, the resources, the technology to conquer such huge land defended by millions soldiers. The mistakes were made out of this considerations. Yeah, they made mistakes to divide their forces along the front, but even if they kept the bulk in a single area, the Red Army would have outflanked them. So, sooner or later even without mistakes.

Here there are more mistakes than IRL. Invasion on USSR on July? Come on!

Can we make it true please?

Germans did only one mistake! THERE WAS NO NEED TO OCCUPY MOSCOW....NO NEED!

This video makes a HUGE mistake, it shows Norway as an Allies country throughout.... Norway fell to Germany in 1940

..but the point of the war was to fail...and for Germany to be demolished...

axis was kinda late ngl

Why norway was not invaded after denmark ?

Now this is what I call a *gay fantasy*

These sorts of questions are so stupid. "What if the Germans did not make mistakes, while the Soviets continued to make all their mistakes? Huh? What would have happened???" Give me a break.

What if Soviets did not make mistakes during Barbarossa?

well ask urself this question.... WHAT IF Soviets would have stopped at their Soviet Border and signed a peace treaty with Germany.

The mistake was to begin the war. The Germans could not come close to meeting their demands for rubber. Without rubber you can't wage modern war. The Germans turned out to be excellent tacticians, but tragically poor strategists.

I dont think barbarossa had a real chance of success. German tactics were all about speed, and their economy couldn't sustain a long war. Once the Soviet war machine of men and material was properly mobilized, the germans were toast. Slowing down the depth of offensive penetration only gives the Soviets time to stiffen the front line further west.

Hitler was stupid.. Keep your ground and when strong enough push on or not. Napoleon made that same mistake.

Showcases HOI4's failure in partisan warfare.

first 30 second falsh! and if i know moscow no falls!