What if GOKU and TURLES Were TWINS? (Full Series)

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Todays video was the final part of "What If Goku and Turles Were Twins?" or "What If Goku and Turles Were Brothers?". In this series I am going to explore what may of happened if the non cannon character Turles was the the twin brother of the saiyan Kakarot, aka Son Goku.
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Art made by Ryu Alex: kid turles, base Turles, ssj turles, Ultra Ego Turles
Art made by Brokan: ssj 3 turles, ssj rose Turles, ssj kaioken goku
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@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

What series would you like to see me do next?

@mynameisrayaan 3 года назад

First GG

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

@@mynameisrayaan gg

@mynameisrayaan 3 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan gg

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

@@mynameisrayaan gg

@mynameisrayaan 3 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan gg

@GamerZachX 3 года назад

I like how he says the power level after training and skipping the useless parts

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

thanks

@skylerplayz1519 2 года назад

Same

@nifemiseton-soares6957 2 года назад

Facts

@_Meltedburrito Год назад

personally, i like the useless parts. it adds more to the character

@clareh2495 Год назад

Same noone does

@JCardo2502 4 месяца назад

Raditz: the oldest son that is heavily underrated Turles: the middle child that no one cares about Goku: the youngest child and the favorite one

@SacredSaiyan 4 месяца назад

lol

@RVGmetallicasaw 2 года назад

Turles and 18s kids would have some INSANE potential! Kai Ki, god Ki, the base PL of Turles, and him having unlocked SSJ3, coupled with 18 being a genetically modified amped up human with about the power of a canon Super Saiyan Blue, at base… absolutely insane potential for growth, especially after you factor in the halfbreed potential boost.

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

INSANE

@kennyvincent7171 2 года назад

When their born, they’ll prolly be hypothetical ssg goku and vegeta level in RoF

@samariyasgafoor8809 2 года назад

@@kennyvincent7171 that is a little to much they whee just born

@kennyvincent7171 2 года назад

@@samariyasgafoor8809 you saw how strong goten and trunks were, not to say that what i said is practical, just that it is plausible

@buckblackbbz4654 Год назад

Also the Androids have infinite stamina

@covertfro5774 3 года назад

Tien was stated to have his godly potential harmed because he was taught by the crane school, and it made him less pure. So, What if TIEN wasn't taught by the CRANE school?

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

hmm

@Ggg-ym7cr Год назад

That was stated nowhere

@howtogoogle8031 Год назад

look at roshi roshi wasnt pure of heart he waws a pervert so the tye of schookt eacher shoudlnt judege a person pure and impure and the namless namkeaisn despite beign mostly good namekaisn are genrally putre hearted with some evil in them

@howtogoogle8031 Год назад

@@SacredSaiyan look at roshi roshi wasnt pure of heart he waws a pervert so the tye of schookt eacher shoudlnt judege a person pure and impure and the namless namkeaisn despite beign mostly good namekaisn are genrally putre hearted with some evil in them

@5stargrim Год назад

Gonna need a source on this, it's stated nowhere in the manga or anime..

@dominiccayton8831 3 года назад

Even if the Granolah arc was done, since the Galactic Patrol Prisoners were never released, that means the Heeters would never get Seven-Three, so that whole arc is cancelled before it can even begin

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

oof

@thenextfailure886 2 года назад

Turles and goku death is alot more gruesome than cannon

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

yep

@loganfranck109 3 года назад

Well done! This was quite a series and the ending was just the icing on the cake!

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@godexuirl1942 2 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan a very amazing job on this what if

@dragonplayer1634 Год назад

I legit thought "yum, icing!" when i first saw this comment. 🤣

@ian-yo7od 3 года назад

This series has been good can't wait for what video you do nexts

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

thanks!

@The.Lokster 3 года назад

i was here when you had 7k on my other account, you have grown 2x bigger

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

nice

@BJMIXDARIGHTONE 3 года назад

what if goku and vegeta were twins?

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

possible

@julgy_has_QUIT 2 года назад

True

@samariyasgafoor8809 2 года назад

@@julgy_has_QUIT what true it is a what if not true

@justaguywithapowerpole Год назад

bruh

@Lenodab 11 месяцев назад

What if they were cousins

@ron3615 3 года назад

Do what-if Goku has 3 brothers and a sister first one being Raditz and the other ones kakarot/Goku and then do his name as (the third one) Baraka then the sister name being a twin of Goku Matilda Edit: the sister was not a vegetable sorry

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

hmm

@The-Stitch 3 года назад

The last could be potan

@ron3615 3 года назад

@@The-Stitch hmmm

@personalaccountbre6437 2 года назад

@@ron3615 hmmm

@58jn89 3 года назад

You should do another what a video about "What if Fasha was Bardock's wife instead of Gine?" or "What if Bardock and Gine and Bardock's Crew member's survived and went to Earth with Goku?" What if suggestion 1."What if the whole entire Saiyan race were in Mortal Kombat?" 2."What if the whole entire Saiyan race was in Castlevania?" 3."What if Ashi from Samurai Jack was a Saiyan from planet Vegeta?" 4."What if the whole Saiyan race were in Samurai Jack?" 5."What if Kale was Broly's sister?" 6. What if the whole Saiyan race was in Avengers endgame? 7. What if Aku from Samurai Jack was in Dragon ball? 8.What if Hell Spawn was in Dragon ball? 9. What if Alien and Predator was in Dragon Ball?

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

haven't watched samurai jack

@58jn89 3 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan you should see Samurai Jack is the coolest show. It's on HBO Max season 1 through season 5 of Samurai Jack. Trust me it's a great show

@levievil9220 2 года назад

@@58jn89 thx I’ve been wondering where to watch it

@ShadowWolf2023-yp5zg 3 месяца назад

Lol

@Sword_Man_YT 3 года назад

Oh yeah! This got to be one your best Series yet!

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

agreed

@janmarcial3309 3 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan will sacred get 100k subs by 2022

@covertfro5774 3 года назад

@@janmarcial3309 I mean... no offense but... how is he gonna get +90.k subs in 3 months? Maybe aim for 20K or 50K first...

@janmarcial3309 3 года назад

@@covertfro5774 yea......

@janmarcial3309 3 года назад

100k is not logical in 3 months

@SpaceOrbisGaming 3 года назад

My ideas for what if's are what if Turles was Goku's father or what if Turles was Goku's uncle.

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

hmm

@cooltylerbruce 3 года назад

It would be a honor if you could maybe do what if goku was born with super sayian i know it is not the best idea but it be a honor if you did it

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

hmm

@cooltylerbruce 3 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan is that a yes or no

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

@@cooltylerbruce it’s a hmm

@monkeyd.chunky1494 3 года назад

It isn’t that bad of an idea but I feel that king vegeta would just send him off to a random planet for being too strong, just like Broly

@can8974 2 года назад

@@monkeyd.chunky1494 Goku's power level at birth was 2 so in super Saiyan it would be 100. So I think king Vegeta would just think it's like a wierd mutation or something

@isaac-77 2 года назад

What if Vegeta and Tarble or Vegeta and Cabba were twins? 👀

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

hmm

@dianne74 2 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan it's very possible cause their siblings

@bubbagrissett3579 2 года назад

BROOOO thank you for this bro omg i'm so glad I found your channel bro Idc who thinks i'm stupid/crazy for thinking this but bro c'mon now everyone knows when we all first seen Turles we all thought they we're related, But now that's out the way like i said thank you for making this bro because I didn't think that I had so many of the same creative thoughts as some people

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

no problem

@ShadowWolf2023-yp5zg 3 месяца назад

Yeah bro, it's bro great bro, keep bro it bro up bro bro bruh...

@drfat0101 3 года назад

Bro your so underrated keep up the good work

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

Appreciate it

@drfat0101 2 года назад

Omgg thanks:)

@rogerwilson5534 3 года назад

Goku turles raditze as brothers pls do it and I bet u won’t pen this comment 😂

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

you are correct, I won't

@covertfro5774 3 года назад

Android 17 was relative to SSJB Goku in DBS. So what if Android 17 came to Bulma's birthday party and possibly meet beerus?

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

hmm

@dianne74 2 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan it is possible

@mereumxkomugi780 2 года назад

Nothing he still gets folded wtf 🤣🤣

@babyjae7316 2 года назад

@@mereumxkomugi780 fr tho nothing much gonna happen. cuz he’ll be weaker due to the timing he was reintroduced.

@darkprince8211 3 года назад

Do what if goku and vegeta were siblings

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

perhaps

@OkayKaze 2 года назад

This was absolutely beautiful. Your story telling Is unlike anything else.

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

thank you!

@notoriouspauley27 3 года назад

Do a what if planet sadala in universe 7 was never destroyed

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

hmm

@wolfcraftfrags234 3 года назад

Can u do a vid about if goku was born by universe 11 please I have been wanting to see a video about it

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

maybe

@orca_boi1856 3 года назад

New fan just subscribed

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

thanks

@scogl 2 года назад

HI sacred saiyan make one serios what if goku was bon a angel

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

probably not

@mynameisrayaan 3 года назад

Some new and my fav Video idea: 27.What if Broly was Goku's brother Idk.What if Vegeta was Goku's brother 33.What if Hercule trained 34.What if Vegeta went to King Kai too 35.What if Vegeta went to Yardart too 36.What if Bulma married Yamcha

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

Hercule does train? That is how he is the world martial arts champion

@cattosgamer 3 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan I think he meant train like the z-fighters

@mynameisrayaan 3 года назад

@@cattosgamer yes

@cherishkaye 2 года назад

I prefer Vegeta going to yardrat

@mynameisrayaan 2 года назад

@@cherishkaye np

@GENERALYT-gm5pr 3 года назад

Cell may be good or has a chance to be good and change his ways cause he has non of king cold nor frieza dna

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

welp he dead soooo

@Sqoz Год назад

Saiyan's showing up:change your ways and come with us Goku:no you

@SacredSaiyan Год назад

yep

@yourmissingdadthatgotstuck1013 3 года назад

You know how i forgot your channel because i was busy with someone on omlet arcade

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

don't know what that is but okey

@SonicBahasa Год назад

I like how he says the power level after training and skipping the useless parts

@SacredSaiyan Год назад

thank you

@CinozYT 3 года назад

I hope this is going to be lit

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

same

@dragun7667 3 года назад

hey this is a comment for the algorithm

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

pog

@lintrixdbz5972 3 года назад

2 hours early this time. How long have I been doing this for…

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

no clue

@lintrixdbz5972 3 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan ik i’ve probly said this a thousand times but what editing software do u use bc rn i have nothing and i’m using google slides to edit my first what if, (it’s better then i expected).

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

@@lintrixdbz5972 filmora

@lintrixdbz5972 3 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan filmora what?

@ultraplays5942 3 года назад

epic...

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

thanks

@dianne74 2 года назад

Goku Black;this form is absolutely beautiful Turles;i know Turles;I know it's a pink form it's a ssjb with Kai ki

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

lol

@dianne74 2 года назад

*I'd use my god form also my god forms hair color is pink*

@dianne74 2 года назад

It's seriously is pink it actually a pinkish red

@dianne74 2 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan good video

@dianne74 2 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan btw white hair ultra instinct is called mastered ultra instinct

@lucid5308 3 года назад

12:57 i woud put it on 27M

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

well I didn't

@lucid5308 3 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan susred saiyan

@dontewilson5680 2 года назад

I got an idea what if vegeta and goku switched places

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

in what way?

@dontewilson5680 2 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan I mean like what if vegeta got sent to earth instead of goku

@herculesburgess6773 3 года назад

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

@yinglin2255 3 года назад

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

@unam_senpi1998 3 года назад

Hi everyone

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

hello

@bubbagrissett3579 2 года назад

In otherwords You are a (G.O.D) for making this see what i did there haha lol

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

i indeed see what you did there

@samariyasgafoor8809 2 года назад

What does G.O.D god of destruction or something else

@bubbagrissett3579 2 года назад

@@samariyasgafoor8809 yeah it meant God Of Destruction

@bubbagrissett3579 2 года назад

It was literally the best pun to give to a subject as this

@mynameisrayaan 3 года назад

First GG

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

@mynameisrayaan 3 года назад

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

@@mynameisrayaan gg

@mynameisrayaan 3 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan gg

@cadenscrazycave3900 3 года назад

Hi remember me? I’m here

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

hello

@cadenscrazycave3900 3 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan well hello good sir 😀👋

@herculesburgess6773 3 года назад

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

@jayhawkrulz3375 2 года назад

Jesus loves you all and have a great day also remember to not say the Lords name in vein and to say your blessings before you eat food and to not hate anyone no matter what.

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

👍

@krxyzee_editz 3 года назад

THIS IS SICK

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

glad you enjoyed

@_mitchell.official6619 2 года назад

Thumbnail gives me salad saiyan vibes

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

I will take that as a compliment

@bruskiwaffel6480 3 года назад

What if broly was sent to yardrat

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

hmm

@alexcs4883 2 года назад

Do I question what kind of training 18 and Turles did?

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

@alexcs4883 2 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan good....

@budgetproductions1178 2 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan a bed breaking training?

@Theeefbeef 3 года назад

What if Broly was sent to Beerus' world?

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

interesting idea

@justaguywithapowerpole Год назад

tones of those already

@alexbenjamin3777 3 года назад

I know salad saiyan already did this but what about what if Gohan and goten were twins

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

hmm

@maxbrown4020 3 года назад

you are one of the best youtubers ive watched

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

thank you!

@julgy_has_QUIT 2 года назад

Carthus and salad saiyan his brother in youtube

@julgy_has_QUIT 2 года назад

Carthus and salad saiyan his brother in youtube

@NinjaRocc 2 года назад

I genuinely thought turtles had a rokakaka fruit deadass

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

lol

@ethanbrown9382 2 года назад

I know we're you got your inspiration for this series salad Saiyan I admire his work hopefully you get as many subscribers as him or even more much luck by the way great video I've watched it 3 times already keep up the good work.

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

thanks!

@brentjames847 3 года назад

Nice editing bro 💯💯

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

Thanks 💯

@NickTheSpitFire 2 года назад

That turles looks cool af props dude

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

thanks!

@larvasupershow Год назад

Well done! This was quite a series and the ending was just the icing on the cake!

@SacredSaiyan Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@omnisystem6030 3 года назад

I still wonder why Turles looks like Goku

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

who knows

@susimposerfrommogus466 2 года назад

Because low class saiyans looks like eachother. :D

@alehlete830 Год назад

u egg dumdum

@braylinbmacc 2 года назад

Sacred and salad sayian are the best please hit me for some ideas on anime and manga to make a career

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

idk how to make manga

@jannarebojo9788 2 года назад

What if Goku was born with super saiyan

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

hmm

@evervanh-miscgamingcontent2787 2 года назад

i loved the ssjr turles thing it was great

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

thanks!

@anaveragehedgehog 2 года назад

hmm what if vegeta got his wish and became immortal... That's something I'd like to see...

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

hmm

@Exaris79 6 месяцев назад

Awesome What If story. Would had kept Krillin with #18 and Turles being married to Bulma's sister Tights instead.

@SacredSaiyan 6 месяцев назад

fair

@THEPROPHETSEERISAIAH 2 года назад

Can you do Gt?

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

haven’t watched gt

@ShadowWolf2023-yp5zg 3 месяца назад

You say the dragonballs can't bring someone back from death after a second death except for the Super DragonBall. The dragon reversed zeno's erasing of other universes.

@SacredSaiyan 3 месяца назад

the super dragon balls aren’t regular dragon balls so my point still stands lol, it’s obvious the super dragon balls don’t have such exceptions

@reyoanaveragerobloxplayer7948 2 года назад

if raditz turles and goku were triplets

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

hmm

@Robloxtheorist733 3 года назад

This is a good one

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

thanks

@jjmulvaney2758 Год назад

You know what’s the perfect name for Turles? Roku. Because Roku rhymes with Goku.

@SacredSaiyan Год назад

ehhh

@sulaymangassama474 8 месяцев назад

Like if you've been sick of sand should be there with this the same power as Super Saiyan blue Super Saiyan evolution blue 3

@SacredSaiyan 8 месяцев назад

huh

@Ps4kids-y5k Год назад

can you make a what if Goku and Vegeta are brothers\twins please sacred Saipan

@SacredSaiyan Год назад

perhaps

@alehlete830 Год назад

wouldnt the tree of might food help roseeeeeeeeeee

@SacredSaiyan Год назад

@YnashaTMC 2 года назад

Can cell still use the death beam without Frieza’s and Cold’s dna

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

@Goku_Black-SSRose 6 месяцев назад

I see what ya did there with Turles getting Super Saiyan Rosè

@SacredSaiyan 6 месяцев назад

i see you saw that

@thesmartass106 Год назад

Bro just speedrunned half of DBs lol

@SacredSaiyan Год назад

lmao

@messiahchill4195 6 месяцев назад

THANK YOU I DON'T CARE IF THIS WAS 2 YEARS AGO THIS IS ONE MY FAVORTIVES THANK YOU

@SacredSaiyan 6 месяцев назад

i’m glad you enjoyed it 😂

@THEPROPHETSEERISAIAH 2 года назад

I really like this a lot

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

thanks

@daltondakin5967 2 месяца назад

SSJ Rose

@SacredSaiyan 2 месяца назад

what about it

@daltondakin5967 10 дней назад

Rose isn't ten times more Goku just got stronger.😂

@poortracy1946 2 года назад

bruh goku and turles is twins turles is really just a black saiyan be real

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

huh 😂

@babyjack449 10 месяцев назад

Bro they are twins what are you talking about 😂😂

@SacredSaiyan 10 месяцев назад

😂

@misterunknown405 2 года назад

Goku and Turles Are actually Twins‼️

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

yep

@misterunknown405 2 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan 🤯💀!

@lastsamurai420 2 года назад

That makes no sense you can't die in hfil if already dead

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

you can, goku even told vegeta in the kid buu fight not to die again since he’ll be gone for good. Vegeta was dead during that fight

@kenkenzaki5929 2 года назад

Turles and android 18 kyaa 💞💞

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

yeah

@Darkangel_2613 2 месяца назад

I wanted fusion Goku turles 😢

@SacredSaiyan 2 месяца назад

sad

@SethHann 3 года назад

I got a question for you. 18 likes short guys she said that in trunks Arc am I wrong. And yes I know this is a what if story. So no need for trolls

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

that was tfs

@SethHann 3 года назад

Okay

@Entity3506 Год назад

14:13 man's should of went ssj grade 2

@SacredSaiyan Год назад

oh well

@AlphasDojo 2 года назад

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

@dianne74 2 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan lol I'm laughing so hard 😂😂😂

@Mikemmmz 9 месяцев назад

What if goku was Vegeta s brother

@SacredSaiyan 9 месяцев назад

hmm

@ITS_FUTILEE 9 месяцев назад

I thought they were going to fuse 40:08

@SacredSaiyan 9 месяцев назад

you thought wrong

@divinebird1999 Год назад

Gine Is A Kind Hearted Saiyan, So Sending Her To Heaven Is The Best Thing For Her. Bardock Is Lucky To Have A Beautiful Wife Like Gine. 😌 Also 10/10, Best What-If Story Ever!

@SacredSaiyan Год назад

tysm!

@overheatedfrost8947 3 года назад

What if Goku reached King Kai's planet earlier.

@SacredSaiyan 3 года назад

hmm

@Hareith0 2 года назад

the edits was insane dude

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

thanks

@siscowley6693 2 года назад

do what if popo was a tuffle

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

pog

@uchia9180 2 года назад

I love this what if it is not dragged out or too short

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

thanks!

@uchia9180 2 года назад

@@SacredSaiyan your welcome I been watching for 2 years your a goat

@karlrobinson2191 2 года назад

528k to 26 mil yeah ok bruv you really love turles and hate Goku don't u

@SacredSaiyan 2 года назад

not at all?

@karlrobinson2191 2 года назад

Goku goes from 3.5mil to 6 mil turles goes from 528k to 26 mil nbu blame it on potential unlock ( gokus doubled turles is 25 X power up);n zenkais sorry ur numbers r up the shit n yes it does seem like u hate Goku

@CosmicGoku529 Год назад

@@karlrobinson2191 Goku went from 90,000 to 3million with one zenkai. that is a 33x power boost. Turles was 528k and was more hurt that Goku in canon. He also had a boost from the fruit of the Tree of might. All that combined would give him a bigger more powerful zenkai. So Turles jumping that much isn't really a stretch.