@@QaamansLand What if Goku, Piccolo & Gohan trained on Yardrat to face the Androids? Chi-Chi goes along to make sure Gohan studies & those 2 stumbles upon Ki based medicine, which is something Gohan created on Earth in DB Online.
To me goku and gohan would be the exact same power level as they were originally and would probably kill cell instead of letting him run and the cell saga ends with the androids fate undecided and goku lives.Also first
1. Love the use of dokkan's assets all over the video. Always nice to see 2. Love the Ultimate Battle 22 music, that's my childhood right there 3. Love that you included GT in the discussion Thanks for the vid Qaaman
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Beerus still would've had the vision/dream about the Super Saiyan God, right? If he does, then they would still ask Shenlong about it, and Goku would still achieve the transformation via ritual. Whis and Beerus would still train Goku/Vegeta because of this observed potential, and Resurrection F goes nearly the same as it did in canon.
@@greenightponydragon5127 While that's true that Goku would likely lose to Frieza, Beerus wouldn't let him destroy the Earth and probably would've destroyed him for trying to. Its another way everyone could survive without Goku having to steal the win all the time
@@DemonSaine you then have to consider that the only reason why Frieza nearly won was because Goku and Vegeta were THAT powerful where they could go 1v1 and still win despite frieza being slightly stronger but had imperfect golden form which means that even if Frieza came to earth then Goku and Vegeta could just jump his ass together and outlast him which would lead to same ending -earth blowing up and Whis reversing time.
goku didn’t beat frieza in RF he got shot 😭. vegeta would’ve beat him tho knowing frieza is stronger. i think vegeta would realize how much stronger frieza is and would try to kill him instantly this time or it will be literally the same with whis rewinding time and goku stealing the win. and yea i agree beerus and whis would still train goku and vegeta because they are the strongest mortals in the universe and i don’t think a goku that didn’t spend 7yrs dead would be that much weaker.
With how strong A17 has become in super, could it be possible that he could take on ROF Frieza alongside a potentially just as strong 16? (Though that honestly just comes the question of why he wasn't in the RoF or BoG arcs in the first place tho...)
The first appearance of SSB Goku in ROF is easily dozens of times weaker than the SSB Goku in the TOP... #17 should be more than enough to handle ROF Golden Frieza... and #17 wasn't there because nobody knew where he was lol remember? Goku had to ask Dende to find #17
I assume you mean 17 by the time of the RoF Arc and I’d say it’s very realistic. If he has the same mary suish writing as he did in the ToP, I could see him being relatively close to the Super Saiyan Blues but not quite as strong for plot convenience.
The only argument I can have for RoF is that 17 can’t sense ki so he wouldn’t have known about anything happening across the planet But that still doesn’t explain why Dende couldn’t telepathically ask for assistance
If Goku never died, he would have trained w Gohan for sure. Ik u mentioned, shortly before Gokus death, Chichi accepted that Gohan needed to be trained plus we see w Goten that she even trained him herself.
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Nice it’s good to see you back Qaaman. I hope to see more what ifs and Dragonball discussions in the future such as explaining relationships in Dragonball like the one you did for Gohan and Krillin.
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“The reason or one of the factors as for why 18 fell for Krillin is because he stayed by her side after Cell puked her out” What a sentence, welcome back Q
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Oh wow this turns bad fast. I was thinking maybe there would be change, but as soon as you hit DBS it became a car crash fasted. Anyways another really good video man, and looking forward to the next one. What if suggestion: What if Gohan trained after the Cell Games?
What if Yamcha and Tien shinhan learned the Fusion Dance and Kaioken and taught everybody when they got revived and going the buu arc they managed to increase Kaioken to 400 and 17 and 18 survived and turned good and good buu survived and turned good too
I think when it comes to Goku if he was still alive in the 7 years before the Buu Saga, he would mostly spend his time on King Kais planet and train there, so I think sure Goku wouldn't have SSJ3 but would highly probably unlocked SSJ2 and also maybe mastered it, because he would know how to use it effectively in his training like he did with his SSJ1. Goku realized it was a big difference to use his SSJ forms in living and dead boddy especially with the SSJ3 that it drained his energy super fast, so he would probably realised that SSJ2 would drain energy a bit faster than SSJ and would probably train so he could maintain the transformation longer and maybe also making it stronger. So I think that Goku's base strength gonna be a bit weaker, but his SSJ 2 gonna be stronger maybe as strong as SSJ3 from the orginal story. Gohan can maybe be stronger if he When it Comes to Gohan he could be stronger if he chooses to join Goku sometimes on his Training on King Kais planet but maybe only the days he have Finished his home works and if his mom lets him. He could have maybe 2-3 days of training with Goku and I dont mean 2-3 24hours, but maybe 4-6h where Goku would probably be 12H+ in every 6-7days. Goten I agree with Vegeta could be the same and also stronger, because if he and Goku would join the 24th World Martial Arts Tournament and if would lose against Goku than he would probably trained even harder until the 25th Tournament where the Main story take place in. Kid Trunks I think would be stronger if Goten is stronger because they would press each other in their friendly battles. When it comes to Future Trunks he would be weaker because he and and Vegeta wouldn't need to go into the hyperbolic time chamber a secound time but the first time would still make them stronger than Android 17 and 18, but I think he gonna realise the weakness of Grade 3 probably against Imperfect Cell in his future, he sure would heavily damage Cell, but Cell would in his last resort use Solar flare and escape and go to hiding until he maybe tries to asorb Goku Black in the future where he fails and gets destroyed by him. Battle of Gods saga would be the same minus SSJ3, but I think the a the SSJG Ritual and everything else gonna be the same. Same answer with RoF saga Universe 7 vs 6 Gonna be kinda the same bu Buu would probably been replaced with Krillin. But the battle probably gonna be this Goku vs Botamo: Goku Wins Goku vs Frost: Frost Wins Krillin vs Frost: Frost Wins Piccolo vs Frost: Frost Wins Vegeta vs Frost they realise that Frost was cheating but Vegeta still wins and only Goku chose to make a comeback and rest is the same as the main story. Future Trunks Saga would almost be the same, sure Goku Black would be a bit weaker, but when he and Goku Black would fuse, I think that Gowasu would tell them that they can also fuse but probably it just gonna be Goku and Future Trunks because Vegeta would probably to be to proud to fuse. And the Fused form maybe called Trunkto would beat fused Zamasu where he still becomes a universal virus where they still gonna use zeno button to stop him with. When it comes to the Universal Tournament saga I think that if Gohan trains with Piccolo before the Tournament he would maybe be the only one who has Unlocked SSJ3 but he still would still be softer to his enemies because Piccolo wouldn't told him about his weaknesses to be over confidently about himself. When it cones the Roster for Universe 7 it gonna be 1. Goku 2.Vegeta 3.Gohan 4.Piccolo 5.Master Roshi 6.Krillin 7.Tien 8-10 could be Android 16-18 if they could be found and his still alive and if they willing choose to join, but if not than the 8.Frieza 9.Yamcha 10.Chiaotzu How the Tornament gonna go I can't tell it based wich characters chose to join and what the strategy most of them ginna use minus Goku,Vegeta and Frieza because they gonna do what they did the orginal story.
Hey at Qaaman, I always wondered why did Trunks not go in with Piccolo when Trunks went in for his second time. I think for both trunks and piccolo it would've been a more effective training if they went in together. This could've even been played out that Piccolo still goes in first, his power level increases, then Vegeta goes in, When he comes out Trunks goes back in and asks piccolo to join him. This would mean that trunks has someone to battle against and work on staying in super saiyan. Then he might be able to achieve grade 4 as Goku and Gohan did and push past by getting Piccolo to shoot actual deadly moves against him. I also think he would ask Goku tips on their training while Vegeta is inside and then know how to be most effective
Well the main reason Frieza trained is because he heard about goku beating buu and fighting on par with beerus. Its safe to assume if he didnt know this he would not have trained as hard if at all
Oh snap Qaaman with the upload. Definitely check out later today. Hey Qaaman question. Are you interested in the movie at all? The movie looks ok but the CGI is really a buzz kill. Keep up the good work.
I’m a bit curious, why exactly would Beerus have no interest in the crew? Maybe it’s my misunderstanding but I’d figure that even without SSJ3, we still have an equal power level SSJ3 Goku and Vegeta. Vegetas rage knocked Beerus around a bit, so i assumed that between that small display of strength, the decent mood Beerus would be in and the ability to wish for the god ritual information, leading to the new form- things would’ve been okay. Although if that form wasn’t enough and Beerus left, we’d at least have SSJ Gods
short answer, Vegeta would have been devastated, because, by the halfway point in the room of time of space, he'd realize his method wasn't getting him the gains he wants. Though if he did go second he probably would have estimated what Goku did and copied him, leaving him and Trunks to be more stronger possibly.
One thing I think vegeta would have been stronger than normally since at the end of the cell saga he said he is done fighting so he Proab didn’t train that hard compared to if goku was alive he would have trained much harder, He also wouldn’t have been depressed cause he didn’t see gohan atain that level
@@QaamansLand yeah but I’m talking about like how at the end of the cell saga he flies away and he’s like I’m never going to fight again (Cause goku is dead and seeing gohan) But I feel like since neither of those things really happened He would continue to train harder then he did originally and would have had many battles with goku through the 7 years And omg I’ve been watching u since 2012 big fan glad to see you back king of dbz theories
Beg to differ when it comes to the end they would of asked sheron about the sayain god and things would of similarly played out the same as in regular dragon ball world
This what if comes down to these situations 1. Does Gohan train 2. Even if Vegeta is less likely to want to fight Goku is he completely pure? 3. Even if Goku and the gang don't impress Beerus would they still do the ritual. Gohan training can be inconsequential but it could matter for if he has to fight Buu because of question 2 because if he ends up on Supreme Kais world in this timeline Goku will not find him and would most likely die or just barely survive because Super Buu will likely happen Gohan would then have to kill Buu or help Goku kill him using the Spirit Bomb if Goku survives. I think it's still possible for Majin Vegeta too happen depending on how bad Vegeta wants to beat Goku even if they fight during the 7 years no guarantee Vegeta changes or even becomes less self-centered. Which leads to Gohan or Goku or both Killing Buu. Lastly Beerus in the end is looking for the Ssj God so even if Goku doesn't initially impress Beerus if Beerus gives them the ultimatum to bring out the super saiyan God it can still happen. At the end this is me playing devil's advocate for why something can happen
To me some of these events would still stay consistent to the main timeline being that beerus would want to fight the SSG and would be alot more patient being thay buu didn't upset him
But Beerus and whis would still train the saiyans tho, because he would've still wanted to see the super saiyan God, asking shenron and making Goku the first ssg, seeing his potential then and take them to train, also the food. Meaning DBS wouldn't be affected at all up until Moro, because Uub would not be there to give goku the last push to defeat moro, meaning Moro explodes and destroys the galaxy.
I don't think Trunks would get stuck on his bulky form, because if Goku and Gohan had trained first, Goku would have still figured out the flaw with that form and so the two of them would still have trained to master their basic super saiyan forms instead. With that example set, Trunks would probably have just done the same and never even attempted to acquire the bulky form in the first place. As for DBS, while Goku might be weaker and never attained SS3, Beerus would probably still have come to earth looking for the Super Saiyan God, so the wish for that information might still have been made and whether it was Goku or Vegeta that fought using it they would probably still have impressed Whis enough to receive further training in mastering god ki, after which they would probably catch up to their canon counterparts and the rest of DBS would proceed nearly identically. Meanwhile, in the GT, while there would be no Uub for Goku to train, he'd probably just end up training Pan instead, much as we saw he was already doing prior to meeting Uub. So not only would she probably be a lot stronger, and very likely reached super saiyan levels, but the two of them might still have been sparing on the lookout when the Pilaf gang came looking for the black star balls and so Goku could still have been wished back to being a kid setting off the rest of the events to follow similarly from there. The biggest wild card in all this really is just how the fight with Cell goes in the first place. Obviously Goku wouldn't have let Cell become perfect the way Vegeta did, but having glimpsed Gohan's superior potential while training, he would still probably want Gohan to be the one to actually finish Cell off, which could inadvertently give Cell the chance to escape and go back to concealing his ki while waiting for an opportunity absorb 18 & 17. Speaking of which, assuming Goku and Gohan still came out of the chamber early they might have been around to intercede with Cell's first attempt at absorbing the androids and prevented him from even reaching his semi-perfect state, at least initially. Again, no telling what a Cell that goes back to hiding his ki and sneaking around might do.
I hate to say it... but i think Goku would have done the same thing as Vegeta... he would have wanted to fight him at the very pinnacle of his power...
For Dragon Ball Super, the ability of going SSJ3 didn't seem to be the deciding factor for Beerus' curiosity. It's very possible that the events in Battle of Gods play out the same way. Goku and the others find out about the SSJ God and still conduct the same ritual and because of DBS power scaling (other people in the comments brought up Android 17) It's very possible that power wise we can end up in the same scenario we are now except for Gohan not unlocking his ultimate form and the fusion dance (there are likely ways Potara fusion could still be discovered, obv not via the elder Kai).
Tbh I think if Goku and Gohan went in first, Goku woulda still let Cell transform, but would wear hin down more. Then Gohan would get desperate and angry and turn SSJ2 against a weaker cell and a goku without Senzu and Gohan would prob just kill him.
Okay, few problems with your idea. First of all, if Goku and Gohan go into the time chamber first, Vegeta and Trunks would see that mastering Super Saiyan is the way to go. Trunks wouldn't be stuck in the mindset that Super Saiyan Grade 3 is the way to go. So Trunks would master Super Saiyan, same as Vegeta. Dabura and Babidi wouldn't win in the future. Second of all, with no Buu, Beerus might not blow up Earth, but there STILL might be a Super Saiyan God. So what if Goku was weaker? He and Vegeta would STILL train on Beerus's planet. Third of all, even if Beerus doesn't train Goku and Vegeta, they'd be able to prevent Frieza's resurrection, and Zeno might NOT erase all the universes. Fourth of all, even if Goku was slightly weaker, that doesn't really affect the power gains in Dragon Ball Super. Finally, even WITHOUT the wish to turn Goku into a child, Adult Goku GT without Uub would still be as strong as Kid Goku GT, if not slightly stronger. He still might get his tail back, and he would still get Super Saiyan 4. All in all, the only major changes to the story in your idea would be: Trunks and Vegeta get Mastered Super Saiyan early, no Buu, no Fusion, and no Uub.
Something I don't get about this "What If's" is why wouldn't it be possible for the existance of a Super Saiyan God, Goku would likely wanted to know about this SSG like in the original timeline and would ask Shenron, maybe his fight with Bills in King Kai's planet would be pacetic but that doesn't mean that Bills would kill him. They also got the same amount of Saiyans to do the ritual. Maybe this Goku wouldn't be as strong as the original, even in SSG, if we accept that Goku's "normal" power level means anything in his God form with divine ki. This also doesn't mean that Goku or Vegeta would have a chance at Frieza or that they would even achieve Blue. But this is a point I never get, why wouldn't it be a "failed" Battle of Gods?
i think youre wrong from the very beginning. the most effective way for a Saiyan to get stronger is to fight. goku and vegetas chemistry is particularly potent for powering up. if goku didn't die, and was able to spar with vegeta for 7 whole years, goku, and definitely vegeta would be much more powerful than they were, certainly strong enough to deal with fat buu if need be. potentially both goku and vegeta master ss3 in those 7 years, or get a form beyond ss3. they might even become strong enough to impress beerus enough to leave a positive impression. enraged vegeta was able to catch beerus off guard, id imagine a much more powerful vegeta would at least keep beerus' interest additionally, earths food alone left a very favorable impression on beerus and whis, enough so that they would regularly return for food, like they did in the main story. this would lead to goku or vegeta having the chance to seek out whis and beerus for training. this effectively puts the timeline back in order, with goku and vegeta having stronger base forms
Let's not pretend that Cell wouldn't have tricked Goku into absorbing 18. Gohan would still end up going SS 2 because Goku would have gotten the breaks beat off him in a non tournament setting especially after He does that warp Kamehameha and cell stops playing
