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What If Ireland United? 

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Check out my latest video from the "Alternative History" playlist: "What If Ireland United?" In which we explore the history of why Ireland is divided, as well as the great complexities involved in the proposal for a United Ireland.
Watch this video of Rudyard Kipling's poem "Ulster 1912" that perfectly summarizes the Unionist community in Northern Ireland and how they feel betrayed by England time and time again:
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@shubbagin49
@shubbagin49 3 года назад
I am from Glasgow, a very good analyse young man. The catholic, protestant thing was part of my culture until I grew up at the tender age of 12, I had good friends whose parents were from Eire, my mother would not let them in my house, and she was a teacher. I blame old British governments, divide and rule. I am sure the people of Eire her sisters and brothers together would welcome you as a Wonderful Irish race in pure uniqueness, never met an uninteresting Irishman yet, Pddy or Billy. from a 72 yr old X squaddie.
@RebelofIreland
@RebelofIreland 3 года назад
To be fair Laurie, I'm always amazed at how open minded ex squaddies can be. As a southern Republican I asked one once if the whole shit show could have been handled better. He said absolutely. The British Gov completely messed things up. Ir esponded by saying the Irish gov didn't exactly play a blinder either.
@shubbagin49
@shubbagin49 3 года назад
@@RebelofIreland Some of the English soldiers had not a clue what it was all about, just here to do the job mate Horrible times.
@RebelofIreland
@RebelofIreland 3 года назад
@@shubbagin49 my own thinking is that the unionist ruling class was at fault. They created the conditions for conflct through disceimination. Inflamed the loyalist working class when nationalist asked for civil rights. Used the RUC to go against civil rights demonstrators. And finally used you guys as well. In my opinion yee were uninformed as to the situation. Very poor leadership by the govs, who needed to come together a lot sooner.
@shubbagin49
@shubbagin49 3 года назад
@@RebelofIreland As a member of the working class, and from my position as a free thinker, the UK government did not do my head any good.. The Irish problem is not a problem for me, Celts seem to be united in what we call freedom, who dare meddle with me is a problem.
@RebelofIreland
@RebelofIreland 3 года назад
@@shubbagin49 Fair comment. I reckon the Irish gov could give the UK a good run for its money in the gobshite olympics. We seem to do better nowadays but back then we had some real cretins in power. We have so much in common culturally. I liked Irvine Welsh’s idea of a cultural union rather than a political one.
@mikesmith-rp1mb
@mikesmith-rp1mb 3 года назад
What didn't get a mention is how the Republic has changed in those 100 yrs. The Northern protestants were very fearful of a catholic dominated country. Church scandals, travel, immigration etc etc has changed Ireland. Divorce, abortion and gay marriage. It has become a much more secular, Liberal and tolerant that the North. Massively less to fear for the protestant/British population. As Northern protestant I'm looking forward to a united Ireland.
@ciarancassidy7609
@ciarancassidy7609 3 года назад
There are many like you who see the progression in the Republic, I am from the North now living in the South believe you me you are better off, much better off, financially, kids education, standard of living, a health system where you can actually see a doctor, time to start dispelling some myths, the fact is in time the island and all it's people would prosper, isn't that what life is about, we live in beautiful island full of potential if only everyone could see it.
@paulkielty3800
@paulkielty3800 3 года назад
Great vid and good luck with everything you do in the future 🇮🇪
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thank you! You too! Really means a lot when people send such lovely messages! Also check out some of my other videos and let me know what you think of them!
@evanprinsloo6412
@evanprinsloo6412 3 года назад
Charming man. Great presentation.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 2 года назад
Much appreciated, finally getting around to replying to everyone haha
@johnfoley9031
@johnfoley9031 3 года назад
When East Germany was absorbed in to West Germany it was a strain on their successful economy. But it was the right decision. Ireland can do the same.
@jamesdowson3673
@jamesdowson3673 3 года назад
You will have a bloody war with 50,000 dead as we will DIE before uniting with these killers!
@johnfoley9031
@johnfoley9031 3 года назад
@@jamesdowson3673 Not what I would like to see happen. But if that is what it takes to bring the sorry saga to a conclusion...
@Bkh0498
@Bkh0498 3 года назад
@@jamesdowson3673 Jesus man you must be a lovely well rounded educated person
@Mugdorna
@Mugdorna 3 года назад
@@jamesdowson3673 so 3000+ killed in 30 years but you claim it will end up being 50K dead? Sounds rational..........
@alanedwards6491
@alanedwards6491 3 года назад
Many would be killed and the troubles return for many years, but this time Dublin would be the target......not what any sain person would want....but that is the most likely outcome. The other issue is financial, the Republic cannot afford to finance the North and the North do not want to pay for the debts of the South.....
3 года назад
An excellent primer for this subject, have pinged it to a few folk to help aid their understanding. Hats off! As an immigrant from England *to* Ireland myself it's been very interesting watching this slowly develop. I guess one of the big questions in my mind is whether Ireland is wiling to change much if the north is going to be absorbed into the republic. De Valera and chums quite specifically designed a country, constitutionally and institutionally to reflect their dreams of, what even then was a bit of a fantasy of a homogenous, rural catholic idyll. With Ireland globally at the forefront of socially liberal change, the rollback of the church constitutionally and in daily life, and most importantly a confident young, increasingly multicultural country no longer defining itself as in opposition to the auld oppressor but as a thriving member of the European family, I wonder how politically acceptable it will be to change some of the symbols of the Republic as a gesture of inclusivity for the protestants in the north. I think a new flag, anthem and some tweaks to the constitution could go a long way to reassuring them that they could actually be better off in a united Ireland than as historical adjunct to a union that isn't looking like it might last much longer anyway; but I have no idea how that would play, especially among the older generations.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thanks for sharing it about! While its true that RoI has beome more tolerant and secular over the decades, I dont think its enough to persuade anyone but moderate Unionists. Hardline Unionists/Loyalists will never accept Dublin rule, but Im covering this in more depth in Part 2, so stay tuned!
@JeremiahStillWillChill
@JeremiahStillWillChill 3 года назад
As respectfully as possible, any unionists should either go back to Scotland where the planters came from or anywhere in Britain. We didn't get a choice in the plantation in the first place so shouldn't have to take their thoughts on unification into consideration
@davidmccullough2930
@davidmccullough2930 3 года назад
Go and lookup the history of the people of the island of Ireland. Our ancestors have come from all over Europe going back thousands of years there would be no one left if we took your advice.
@MICHAELCAMPBELL69
@MICHAELCAMPBELL69 3 года назад
I think we are fed up humouring the British citizens in N of Ireland. They came as working class or peasants and pushed the indiduousof their and so if not happy they are welcome to go back to their roots mostly in Scotland. Sorry Scotland you are welcome to them. A pain in the ass .
@papi8659
@papi8659 3 года назад
Well done, very balanced - Dail rhymes with Fall
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thanks lool, you and many others have corrected me on this, I'll never forget now haha
@chrisyoung5929
@chrisyoung5929 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp Don't bother from here in Ireland as an ex Brit I can tell you that there are half a dozen different versions of this word to rhyme with fall, oil doll, and others. watch some RTE news broadcast and you will hear the posh version, like BBC English.
@06741590
@06741590 4 месяца назад
I'm here pretty late, but fair play. Brilliant nuanced take 👍
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 4 месяца назад
Much appreciated!
@alanbailie5458
@alanbailie5458 3 года назад
I would have considered myself a unionist, and still very much identify as British. However, now that I have a family and want them to have the best possible future, I simply cannot support continued Union with GB. The future here is a united Ireland, and after an initial shock to the system, I am sure most would settle into the new reality. With that new reality the prospect of a national government with a real vested interest in the prosperity of this place is very very appealing. Great video, it is well informed and above all focuses on the facts.
@finishedarticle7953
@finishedarticle7953 3 года назад
Hi Alan - the orange in our flag is for your people.
@alanbailie5458
@alanbailie5458 3 года назад
@@finishedarticle7953 Thankfully I was taught that at a very young age, unfortunately some others simply refuse to understand our shared history. Also, 'My people' are your people. Until we all think in those terms unification (unity) will take a very long time.
@damienflinter4585
@damienflinter4585 3 года назад
@@alanbailie5458 What unionists need to understand is that republican history is peopled by Protestant advocates (not least Ulstermen and women) and that southerners identify with their British history and culture far too much for political health. We have no problem acknowledging the genius of Swift, possibly the original internal rebel, an Ascendancy Protestant at the heart of empire. English people know our contribution to their literature better than many Irish people too busy watching the football and soap and, thanks to a savage education, alienated from their own Gaelic teanga almost as much as the DUP reactionaries. Spike Milligan's Puckoon and Dave Allen's comic genius spring to mind. Besides, its time to get planetary and escape these flat-earth delusions before the Borises f£atten it permanently with their mega£omanic war toys. Or are we already too late?
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thank you very much for this comment, it's great that its from the heart, however I must say that I'm somewhat disappointed (from my own narrow selfish position), only in that you are the first and only Unionist that I can see anywhere on the comment section for this video, and yet you have now come around to the concept of a United Ireland. Can you please spread this video amongst other Unionists so that I can get their take on this also? Unless of course most other Unionists are like you say, hostile to the concept, but will slowly but surely adapt to the new change relatively easily haha?
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 3 года назад
A lot of people despise the orange-green labelling, especially if they are half-breeds.
@mgcostello
@mgcostello 3 года назад
He understands Irish history well.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thanks, I've grown up knowing all about it!
@wkdwiz
@wkdwiz 3 года назад
Your analogy of a mass migration to Liverpool or Scotland was a very interesting point that I had never thought about before. And also it did make me chuckle. Either way fun times ahead ehh. The parliament is Dáil, the á extends the sound. Think of ball but with a d, so dall = Dáil. Nevertheless bravo 👏
@MrMarcelWiel
@MrMarcelWiel 3 года назад
Very best interesting ... Thanks!
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
You are welcome! Much appreciated!
@markaxworthy2508
@markaxworthy2508 2 месяца назад
As you say, demographics will solve it in the end. It will not be resolved by either side being "right", because neither is. It should be pointed out that demographic shifts have already been advanced by ethnic cleansing of Protestants from the South over 1923 to the 1980s and in parts of Northern Ireland by targeted IRA assassinations of Protestant farmers in the 1970s to 1990s.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 2 месяца назад
@@markaxworthy2508 Unfortunately, this is facts!
@hauskalainen
@hauskalainen 3 года назад
Excellent and very informative. Can anyone out there point me to a video explaining how the political parties have developed in the Republic? Sinn Fein, Feanna Fail, and Feanna Gael (I've probably slaughtered the spelling, sorry) don't map easily to the parties in Great Britain as far as I can tell.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
That is a very good point! Unfortunately I don't know enough about Irish domestic politics and from what I can see the other 2 major parties seem to be kinda bland centrist parties with not a paper's width of difference between them, but that probably doesn't apply to their earlier histories. Wish I could be of more help and thanks for watching this, stay tuned for Part 2 coming in the next few months where I answer some of the comments, as well as give my own views on how to solve the Irish Question.
@neilmooo
@neilmooo 3 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iuIGFvv2p_I.html
@neilmooo
@neilmooo 3 года назад
Check that out anyway
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thanks, very interesting video!
@patrickmccutcheon9361
@patrickmccutcheon9361 2 года назад
All these parties have their roots in the original Sinn Fein of. a hundred years ago. When the deputy leader of Sinn Fein obtained independence for 26 of 32 counties his leader did not accept the result and this led to a civil war between those who accepted and those who rejected aTreaty on this partial independence. The former won the war and took power and evolved into Fine Gael. The losers refused to recognise the new State. But after 10 years some decided they might as well play politics and they took power and ruled as Fianna Fáil. The rump that was left was what was left of Sinn Fein. Fast forward and they got a new leas elf life 50 years later when the troubles started. Since the cease fire and *0Good Friday Agreement Sinn has more or less become a political party. While it does not condemn the terrorist activities of the IRA it has become a left of centre party that could well end up as the largest party north and south of the border. Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil despite being the descendants of the opponents in the civil war are practically indistinguishable one from the other and are for the first time sharing power in a coalition. In the long run I expect these parties to merge or if not for one , more likely Fianna Fáil, to wither away.
@adrianduggan4739
@adrianduggan4739 3 года назад
I feel like an ideal situation would be a referendum taking place, then if united ireland won, it would be decided by British and Irish governments that a decade would be needed to gradually transition. In that decade a dialogue between people of the island (the republic uses citizens assemblies, they’re democratic and have proven great at coming up with solutions to divisive issues) the citizens assembly could also include British members or perhaps another citizens assembly for the future relationship between these two islands could take place too, so within that decade we’d have the beginning of a consensus on how we govern the island and how we address the relationship between these two islands. The common travel area would have to be made permanent, British rights in Ireland would have to be on par with Irish rights, identity on the British side would have to be allowed to pass down from generation to generation, we would probably need a new flag, and a new anthem. Irish would probably have to be more discreet and more of a second language with English being the first. Consentions on both sides would have to be made. The British government would have to slowly reduce fiscal support as the Irish Government takes up fiscal responsibility for Northern Ireland, we’d also probably need a loan package from the IMF and the EU to cover infrastructure disparities - but I would say that after a period of time, the island would have a stronger economy and a wealthier population, and if done right, in terms of our relations with our neighbours it could also be a catalyst for proper and lasting peace.
@raymondhaskin9449
@raymondhaskin9449 3 года назад
The Irish flag would also have to be changed to reflect the British population in the North. Possibly a Union Jack ensign like Australia.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Some excellent suggestions here, if only more people in Govt were of a like-mind to yourself! I would say that the timescale of 10 years would be too much though, a transition period of 2-5 years is already more than long enough (as someone who lived through the Brexit negotiations, the general public become agitated and frustrated about processes taking more than 3 years to implement). Other than that, couldn't have come up with a better set of proposals if I'd come up with them myself!
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
I doubt that most Irish, North or South, would be happy to end British rule in Ireland only to adopt it on their flag (plus the Union Jack would have to be changed to, as it would no longer have the Cross of St Patrick).
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 3 года назад
People who love flags ARE the problem!
@derekmcmanus8615
@derekmcmanus8615 3 года назад
Naw it is much simpler than that...the Protestants will kill lots of Catholics and the Irish Republic will think do we really need this hassle
@terjoe6643
@terjoe6643 3 года назад
The Good Friday Agreement doesn't allow for repartitioning. The EU and America would not stand for that. On the point of Scottish Independence - that's more likely to happen first and it would accelerate Irish unification. I'm hoping that happens very soon. It's the reason that the Tories don't want another Scottish Independence pool, at least outwardly.
@Dair.Builds
@Dair.Builds 3 года назад
great job thanks
@jasonirwin2947
@jasonirwin2947 3 года назад
5:41 dont care what you say its Derry 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪 only joking 🤣🤣🤣 welldone mate good video
@BN-cf8gk
@BN-cf8gk 3 года назад
Fair play! Very good analysis. You may wish to look into the causes of the recent riots, tensions were high and rhetoric from the top was inflammatory. Paramilitaries are also involved, many of those on the streets were children encouraged by these thugs. Brexit fed into this in a massive way but I personally think that politicians did a lot to fan the flames. I also read about a massive crack down on drug operations which may have caused certain paramilitary organisations to lash out at police and customs etc., not sure if this played a part. There is certainly a lot going on here, some of which we may never know. It's funny you mention mass migration. I thought Arlene Foster saying she would leave a United Ireland was pathetic. I am sure nationalist leaders don't like being "ruled by London." I wouldn't expect anyone to stay where they feel unwelcome, but I think it's a horrendous message from a First Minister. It did a disservice to the whole community. Can't judge her for leaving, but I judge her for her lack of tact. Personally I would love to see a move beyond the tribalism. A new Ireland rather than uniting a fractured one. Prosperity on both sides could be in jeopardy without some fresh thinking. Best of luck with the channel. Subscribed!
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
The causes of the recent riots were Brexit related and is tied up with the overall divisions, so I didn't mention them much because in a few years time they will probably fade into memory given all the other riots etc. However, with regard to Unionists leaving, I can imagine as others have said mass migration of the hardliners but the vast majority of Unionists will overtime peacefully just adjust to the new norm of being part of RoI, just as Nationalists in NI adjusted to partition instead of moving south in the years after Partition. And as for the sub, right back at ya (as I always try to do with my subs!)
@chrisbeggs9733
@chrisbeggs9733 3 года назад
I'm disappointed in the whole "feel" of this discussion, it's as if there is only one answer, and that's that. Where is the question of uniting Ireland by rejoining the UK? I think that's a reasonable point as it's exactly the same as the original question, only opposite. With this original idea of Irish unity being only Dublin rule it's the Unionists/Loyalists that will have to "suck it up". So why not discuss why the Irish don't just "suck it up" too under London rule? So when the Nationalists shoot this idea down from the beginning, why not think how the Unionists are feeling with the original option? What's sauce for the goose.....
@Loostyc
@Loostyc 3 года назад
Because the British don't care about Ireland whilst the Republic cares about the NI
@chrisbeggs9733
@chrisbeggs9733 3 года назад
@@Loostyc that's a bit of a childish, simplistic and dare I say, incorrect answer. Far too much assumption put on too large a number of people.
@derekmcmanus8615
@derekmcmanus8615 3 года назад
@@Loostyc the Republic gives absolutely zero fucks about Northern Ireland
@chrisbeggs9733
@chrisbeggs9733 3 года назад
@@derekmcmanus8615 I'm pretty sure the people of the Republic of Ireland don't share one single view,,,
@harshbutfair8993
@harshbutfair8993 3 года назад
It's a fair question, though I'm not too fond of the language used, 'rule' and 'suck it up'. For me a big reason why Ireland really wanted independence from the UK was there wasn't real parity there. I'm not even talking purely economics, but symbolisms, the monarch is known first and foremost as the Queen/King of England, not the Queen of the UK. the majority of the nobility were Anglo centric. The capital city, and with that the government and centre of the economy, was not only in England, but far from the Celtic regions. In the current climate in Scotland, although there is no violent struggle thankfully, think there are some similarities nonetheless. That feeling that the Westminster government doesn't represent them is very much there amongst the majority, not only the nationalists there. More often that not it's not the government they would choose. And to reiterate the capital London is opposite end of the country to them. Maybe a bit of a left-field idea, but what about changing the capital to somewhere in Scotland or even some city in (North of England, Wales etc) for half a century. In theory, if Britain didn't vote in the Tories regularly, didn't hark back to the days of empire (I know it's only some people FWIW), had a PR electoral system, and shook up the UK so it wasn't so South East of England centric, and had some in built constitutional protections so its constituent parts didn't get screwed over then if it wasn’t for the weight of history, I wouldn't necessarily be against the idea. Reality is different though, and don't see any prospect of UK undergoing any sort of progressive (not the current political connotation of that word) change, quite the opposite is happening IMO. And yeah thanks Pritti Patel for the reminder that you could always starve us to keep us in line, like that never happened before!!! So yeah in theory, the question is fine. Hope I gave some sort of answer why it's a non runner, even amongst more milder nationalists like me! And on the original topic of a United Ireland, the poster SKP, does make a fair point, it's very difficult to make it happen in a way that would be peaceful. Imaginative solutions would probably be needed to keep as many people happy, or more likely as many people not too unhappy, solutions that might not be the preferred choice of anybody, but like the Good Friday Agreement, ones that people could live with.
@Hipit55
@Hipit55 3 года назад
Great video ,as a person who has lived on both sides of the border I believe that Protestants in the north who are willing to respect their Catholic neighbor's have nothing to fear from a united Ireland .
@paulohagan3309
@paulohagan3309 3 года назад
Some of their leaders have a vested interest in making sure they have plenty of fear
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Yes that is true to an extent, I believe that many hardliner Loyalists will migrate to Britain, but the rest will form a solid voting bloc in the Irish Dail (pronounced "Doyle", now I've been told) and be a constant thorn in the side of Irish politics.
@ckpalmeiras1318
@ckpalmeiras1318 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp Not really how it would work. The unionist community is by and large middle class. They also own the majority of the quality land in the north east as a result of the plantation. For those that stay, it’s massively in their interest that things go peacefully and they ingratiate into the economy and therefore the political system ( the right wing Fine Gael party in the republic was historically the choice of the unionists who were left in the 26 counties after partition). Former unionists would make up 9% of a small landmass following reunification. They have a dreadful history of bullying and harassing the nationalist community under the protection of the British state. A nationalist community who would then make up 91% of that small landmass when the British leave. You’ll have a significant percentage who will want to repay the unionist community for what they’ve done, and absolutely a land owing nationalist community in the north east, who tend to have poorer quality land owing to the plantation, with a massive incentive to foster a violent unionist act to provide cover for reprisals and removal of unionists from their land. Sometimes you get the hilarious idea unionists are these hard lads, whenever British people speak about the situation here. It’s a bizarre reading of the situation. Violence is in the interests post reunification of the Irish community, not the tiny minority planted British community now stripped of British state protection.
@dianehanna4292
@dianehanna4292 3 года назад
Most Unionists are working class.
@ckpalmeiras1318
@ckpalmeiras1318 3 года назад
@@dianehanna4292 no they’re not. Or anything close to it. There are 18 electoral wards in NI, 9 CNR majority and 9 PUL majority, 1-9 in terms of wealth are all 9 PUL majority electoral districts! (Gives an outsider an idea of the level of structural discrimination this place had/has….remember CNRs vastly outperform PULs in school results, typically all 10 top performing schools in a given year will be Catholic schools, yet PULs remain the bulk of the middle and near the entirety of the upper middle classes) Who the fuck is gifted land and power via a plantation and ends up the majority of the working class, you complete pudding haha
@andrewbrennan4423
@andrewbrennan4423 3 года назад
NI is neither a nation or province. No country recognises it as a state that existed in some sense before unionism unlike England, Wales, Scotland, and nine counties make the province of Ulster, not the Six Counties. It's an artificial statelet, poorly creates through partition on a demographic of chauvinism that was doomed to fail as Tyrone, Fermanagh, and south Armagh were all still Irish and Gaelic oriented.
@philiporeillycork
@philiporeillycork 3 года назад
While the polls you mention say those in the Republic would be less likely to vote for a United Ireland if it meant higher taxes, I believe it would still be a landslide victory here given the politics on the issue would outweigh the economic concerns. Similar to how people in the UK voted for Brexit when they were told they would be financially better off by remaining in the EU. Labelled as Project Fear they were still happy to vote for it even though there has been some project reality consequences for many sectors!
@alwayslearning7672
@alwayslearning7672 3 года назад
I'd be happy to pay extra taxes to get NI back. I honestly doubt there would be more taxes anyway. Bigger country = bigger economy and we owe it to our ancestors who suffered & died by the millions by forced emigration and starvation so I could have my passport and freedom. And besides, the problem has no chance of ending until the British end their rule in Ireland. Full stop!
@glensargent647
@glensargent647 3 года назад
Only a small amount of people said that about the taxes most be happy to pay nearly 64 percent.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Very true, "It's not the Economy, stupid, its Values". People don't vote purely on economics, they vote on values that are important to them, and Self-Determination is important to most folks outside of Elite circles.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Where does it say that?
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Bigger country doesn't necessarily equal bigger economy in that sense; just look at Germany 30 years after reunification (covered this in another video, check it out!) and the richer West is still subsidizing the poorer East. The RoI would have to spend trillions over the decades to raise the GDP per Capita of the North up to the same level as the South.
@BennyPoppie
@BennyPoppie 3 года назад
Good show. Well done. Is there anything you can do to prevent the subscript from blocking out the bottom part of your presentation ?
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thanks for the feedback, but what exactly do you mean by the subscript? You mean the text that I put on screen?
@BennyPoppie
@BennyPoppie 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp that's it. When I watch your show I get two sets of text, one over the other. I'm not sure which one is yours and which one is being generated by some software somewhere I don't know anything about
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
I've checked it over, I can't see this problem on screen and haven't heard it from anyone else. Sorry that its like that for yours, but I can't see the problem from here. Best of luck with it though!
@TomDore
@TomDore 3 года назад
@@BennyPoppie Turn off the subtitles using the button in the bottom right (hover over the buttons to see what they do: do this on a computer, not a phone!).
@BennyPoppie
@BennyPoppie 3 года назад
@@TomDore thx. Tried that but it's possible on my tablet. Subscript is already turned off.
@paulduffy4585
@paulduffy4585 3 года назад
Concise and accurate.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Loving the support, thanks for that!
@superbad3591
@superbad3591 3 года назад
Can you imagine an independence day in Ireland being celebrated in all 32 counties, it would be like another St Patricks day,
@michaelking9772
@michaelking9772 3 года назад
First you must United the people !!!!
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
This is very true, hopefully one day they learn to peacefully co-exist.
@jamesbovington8218
@jamesbovington8218 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp It's ongoing religious segregation in primary school that is to blame.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Very true, it's like busing in America, people opposed it for decades but it's done more to break down tensions between groups than anything else. More integration of schools in Northern Ireland would break down the divisions within a generation or so.
@damienflinter4585
@damienflinter4585 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp No peace without justice, SKP. Injustice is institutionalised violence masquerading behind '£aw&order' diktat.
@thomasjamison2050
@thomasjamison2050 3 года назад
As a passing historical note, when the Roman Republic first went to war against the German tribes to their north, it was a long, fierce, bloody and hard won business. At the time, historians noted that these immediate German tribes were all red-headed. The Romans, determined to put an end to their troubles with these people, killed all the males of the age to procreate, packed up the whole lot of the rest and moved them to a place where they were sure these people would never cause trouble again for the civilized world. That place was the British Isles.
@BurningMad
@BurningMad 3 года назад
Something missing from this analysis is that religion in general is a lot less strong than it was during the Troubles. There are plenty of non-believers now. Which side of the nationalist v unionist debate do they fall on?
@asanulsterman1025
@asanulsterman1025 3 года назад
Counter intuitive as it might seem there are also many 'nationalists' who don't want a united ireland anytime soon (read never).
@BurningMad
@BurningMad 3 года назад
@@asanulsterman1025 interesting, why is that?
@asanulsterman1025
@asanulsterman1025 3 года назад
@@BurningMad Many reasons: jobs, benefits, pensions, NHS, quality of life, house prices, cost of living, bigger pond. I have seen one survey that estimates 50% of SF voters would not vote for UI, which fits with the overall 70/30 split against UI. Of course Brexit has kicked up some dust but it will all settle down to 70/30 against UI in a couple of years.
@bluechip297
@bluechip297 3 года назад
@@asanulsterman1025 The GFA should be amended/abolished to reflect your opinion. The automatic right of NI people to Irish citizenship and passports should be withdrawn.
@asanulsterman1025
@asanulsterman1025 3 года назад
@@bluechip297 I don't think the Belfast Agreement matters anymore as it has been broken and nobody in gov.uk or gov.ie seems to care. But I would have no problem with withdrawal of irish passport rights (which existed before Belfast Agreement) as they are a relic of ROI's hostile claim to Northern Ireland (rescinded in Belfast Agreement). I would go further and remove the CTA rights which entitles ROI citizens to life and benefits in UK.
@DoninicGoland96
@DoninicGoland96 3 года назад
I'm from Ireland and to see someone from England (I assume your English from your accent) talk about Irish history in a fair and balanced way like you have is very welcome and wholeheartedly appreciated. Thank you sir, you have well earned a follow. ps your script sounds great. pps dail is pronounced dall (like doll with an a instead of o)
@marconatrix
@marconatrix 3 года назад
It usually sounds like 'doyle' to me ...
@damienflinter4585
@damienflinter4585 3 года назад
@@marconatrix You are closer than Dom...it is from the Gaeilic Dáil which phonetically might be rendered 'dawill' ..but if you allow for individual accents doyle hits near enough...though sometimes I think it's a bit of a doll with a corporate sycophant's finger shuas a thóin.
@patchso
@patchso 3 года назад
Dom GB: I was going to tell SKP that it's pronounced "Doyle" (as in Mrs Doyle from Father Ted), but I thought I'd better leave it to someone from Ireland, in case I got it wrong :-)
@damienflinter4585
@damienflinter4585 3 года назад
@@patchso Not too wrong...close enough.
@thomasblockley7263
@thomasblockley7263 3 года назад
I always describe it as it’s similar to the daal like the food hahahaah
@addictedtocraic
@addictedtocraic 3 года назад
It is soooo refreshing to hear an English voice with such a deep and erudite knowledge of Northern Ireland. Just plain facts. Well done sir. Great job.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Of course bro, I grew up with a deep knowledge of the Troubles, have travelled there twice and have many friends who live out there, so I understand the complexities and the need to solve this issue in a way that causes less hatred and tension.
@mickeencrua
@mickeencrua 3 года назад
@John G: Plain facts? Are you serious?
@paulthomas8262
@paulthomas8262 3 года назад
​@@mickeencrua facts such as William of Orange hating parades taking the backstreets to avoid them, and the battle of the boyne not strictly divided by religion. The Ulster flag being yellow with a red cross using the Irish symbol of a red hand not some flag invented in the 50s. Ulster being 9 counties.
@Mugdorna
@Mugdorna 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp I liked the video itself. But it’s a bit hard to claim “a deep understanding of the Troubles” when you have visited the province “twice” My first carbomb was when I was 3 months old. I been held at gunpoint by the British army countless times. (Even stopped by the IRA a couple of times too at an unofficial vehicle checkpoint) I spent my childhood watching the parades on the 12th and laughing at the bowler hatted Orangemen. Even 20 years after the GFA I still find myself internally assessing which community people are from when I met them for the first time.
@paulthomas8262
@paulthomas8262 3 года назад
@@CD.91 That is absolutely true. When taking about protestant / non conformists historically in Ireland there are major distinctions between groups "protestant" is just too vague. Covenanters cannot be compared to Quarters for example, who where one of the most helpful during the famine. Pity there are so few Quakers in world today, however their oppression is why they stopped evangelising / seeking converts. I would think about Covenanter like this -> transplanted sectarianism. There had their issues in Scotland, and that was weaponised in Ireland. It is not a clear cut issue becuase there were those protestant that pushed back against direct rule who weren't really Republican in the modern sense. There were those that only pushed back when non-conformist were also discriminated against for not being in the established church (Church of Ireland/England). As an atheist from a catholic background I'm kind of fascinated by Martin Luther. Not the myth of an angry guy nailing demands to door, which there is little historical evidence of, but they actual person who knew the church intimately and went to Rome to witness the corruption in the church he experience in his home town being mirrored there. Can't really blame him for having a problem with it. He was more introverted then the caricature, he had tones of guilt and that is something he took with him from catholicism when he left the monastery.
@billyoconnell6669
@billyoconnell6669 3 года назад
Northern Ireland wasn't given a second thought when borris and his buddies were banging the brexit drum ...because they don't care about Ireland. Never have done, its a hangover from their colonial past . They would gladly wash their hands of it in the morning . I genuinely feel sorry for the unionist community...I hope they realise they have nothing to fear from a united Ireland. Think they would be actually better off in the long run. Being able to control their own destiny. The poorest areas on the island are protestant working class areas so it couldn't be much worse than it is now .
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Definitely agree that most Englishmen don't care about it and see it as a hold over from our colonial past. However, stay tuned for Part 2 of this video where I discuss the matter of Unionists/Loyalists and their thoughts on a United Ireland.
@patrickgleason2066
@patrickgleason2066 3 года назад
I’m very impressed with this excellent short summary of the recent history of Ireland, (I’m Irish, from the Republic.) A huge amount of people in this state haven’t a clue of the realities and implications of a “United Ireland.” It definitely has the potential to be a “billion dollar train wreck.” On the other hand if it’s with the due consent and respect of all the peoples it could be a considerable success.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Very true and thanks for that, stay tuned for Part 2 where I give my actual opinion on the issue (this video was more of a neutral brief overview)!
@Kitiwake
@Kitiwake 5 месяцев назад
It's the opposite.. It's a billion dollar bonanza. Why import 1.5 million migrants from Africa when we can import 1.5 million Irish from the north?
@cjon6898
@cjon6898 3 года назад
Probably the most unbiased examination of the border issue i've ever seen. Well done!
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thanks mate, that's honestly the best compliment I could've hoped for in such a divisive topic! Appreciate it!
@pgarland9714
@pgarland9714 3 года назад
The border is the sea...
@asanulsterman1025
@asanulsterman1025 3 года назад
@@pgarland9714 Dream on Chuckie
@CraigHetheringsting
@CraigHetheringsting 3 года назад
@@asanulsterman1025 genuine question (honestly i am not trying to insult you or be inflammatory) but do you not feel as if the rest of the UK doesn't really care about Northern Ireland these days? That is certainly the impression i get from the Tory party and from most people in Great Britain
@asanulsterman1025
@asanulsterman1025 3 года назад
@@CraigHetheringsting I do feel that UK is tired of NI that's why its time for unionists to begin preparations for a fully independent Ulster. And an Independent U
@andysm1964
@andysm1964 3 года назад
A GREAT PRESENTATION ,HOWEVER, two points: 1 The Border poll would have to be taken in conjunction with the ROI in such a referendum. 2 its not quite as simple in NI, Protestant and catholic -one unionist,one nationalist..There are an incresing number of people in NI that do not identify by faith, but no faith; agnostic etc or wont say, and an increasing though small number of non-christians
@Mugdorna
@Mugdorna 3 года назад
Which has its own issues, as a future election may find Alliance as the 2nd largest party in N.I. The “loyalist/unionist” vote could be split between DUP, PUP and TUV.
@Couly
@Couly 3 года назад
I live in the republic and I'm all for Irish unity but I think people here don't realise that unity is not simply an extension of the republic, rather a new country with a new flag, national anthem and massive changes across the board.
@NegativeAccelerate
@NegativeAccelerate 3 года назад
Exactly.- and I’m only for it if there is a majority for it up north, and we cater to the unionists.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Yes I think thats fair, although tbh I think while the moderate Unionists could be included into RoI and would be catered for properly, the hardline Unionists/Loyalists will never accept Dublin rule. Stay tuned for Part 2 where I cover this in more depth!
@joanesp100
@joanesp100 2 года назад
Nothing wrong with that at all if it brings peace and inclusiveness
@str.77
@str.77 6 месяцев назад
Why should the Republic of Ireland adopt a new flag when it had alread include Protestants/Unionists in the flag despite their opposition to joining a united Ireland? The Republic had more than its share of massive changes in recent years. And none for the better.
@Couly
@Couly 6 месяцев назад
@@str.77 Because unionists burn it every 12th July, they won't suddenly embrace it.
@manintheshed9830
@manintheshed9830 3 года назад
As other commenters have said, this is a refreshingly unbiased, balanced, and well-researched piece that is genuinely rare among analysts outside of Ireland. Very well done.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 2 года назад
Thanks, although you should see the level of vitriol in my other videos on Ireland to see that these people only like hearing what they want to hear and dont actually care to hear any view but their own.
@tomtomftube
@tomtomftube 3 года назад
The plantation of Ulster was a combination of ethnic cleansing and social engineering
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Sadly very true.
@davidorourke4311
@davidorourke4311 3 года назад
And maybe an other factor was a trial and error/testing out in planning for Future British colonies in North America,Carribean, South Africa and Australia New Zealand area. A hint in this direction is A Cavan town has the same name as US State of Virginia. Just saying a possibility.
@mactoirdhealbhaigh4873
@mactoirdhealbhaigh4873 3 года назад
@@davidorourke4311 During the Plantation, Aghanure, "Achadh an lúir" ( the field of the yew) was named "Virginia" after Queen Elizabeth I.
@dannymcintyre3819
@dannymcintyre3819 3 года назад
The Scottish elites in Edinburgh, dukes and lairds and the King, even tried to plant the Gàidhealtachd in Scotland with protestant non-Gaelic speaking south east lowland Scots loyal to the Scottish monarch and the Calvinist reformed Kirk of Scotland. Various attempts were made. One was to Lewis and the attempted planters were called the Gentlemen Adventurerers of Fife. It failed.
@Alan13Mac
@Alan13Mac 3 года назад
@@dannymcintyre3819 Oster Protestants used to speak Gaelic the state was set up and they took it off state school pupils catholic and Protestant and changed all the names townlands of places to English check out the videos from P are 0NI and orange Gaelic speakers it would surprise you
@ger5956
@ger5956 3 года назад
Funny how things always go to hell when outside forces arbitrarily draw new borders.
@janeos01
@janeos01 3 года назад
Very true, look at the end of WW1, WW2 and going back further look at Africa
@alganhar1
@alganhar1 3 года назад
How do you think MOST borders were drawn? Look into it and you will find damned near every modern Border in the world was more or less drawn the same way, through agreement and conquest... A highly short sighted view when one looks deeper into the history of various borders....
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Very good point @alganhar1, although I don't think that its helpful to call other people's comments "short-sighted", I think that you are all in general agreement on this issue.
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 3 года назад
The treatment of German speakers in drawing up the post WW1 borders sure seeded a storm. The ‘re-shrunken Ulster’ map looked like repeating the whole divisive mess yet again.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Part 2 with a Q&A is out already, check it out and share it about and let me know your thoughts in the comment section!
@danielmcgrogan2106
@danielmcgrogan2106 3 года назад
A most excellent examination. The impact of a migration wave from N.I. really interesting and not something I’ve heard before. The big difference in the leave/remain vote between middle and working class Protestants coats was something I wasn’t aware of. Thanks man.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
So sorry for the super late response, was snowed under by the number of responses! Part 2 with a Q&A is out already, check it out and share it about and let me know your thoughts in the comment section!
@philiporeillycork
@philiporeillycork 3 года назад
According to the Good Friday Agreement if there was to be a border poll, the options would be to remain in the UK or become a United Ireland. There wouldn’t be an option for segregation of Unionist / Nationalist areas of NI. I believe that most politicians will try to find ways to make the country more inclusive and we are hearing more of this lately even from parties such as Fine Gael who wouldn’t have traditionally been seen as pushing for Irish unity. As you say, a United Ireland is probably more of a when now than if and even Fine Gael are starting to recognise that and attempt to reach out to unionists.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
True, but this was an inherent problem with the short-term thinking of the GFA, as regardless of the result of a Border Poll, partition of some kind (whether it be an independent state consisting of "DUP Country" in Antrim and North Down, or whether it be that region as an autonomous region of the RoI) is inevitable.
@gerardwalsh4346
@gerardwalsh4346 3 года назад
Agreed. The shift in Fine Gael is a highly significant change.
@Alan13Mac
@Alan13Mac 3 года назад
Much of what u say the GFA good friday agreement a border poll at some time it doesn’t say you will mix of some more counties annexed off ,Irish stte Vote leave in England got their way we thought it remain inside of Europe it’s only a matter of time go back 188? aprox. It cused a civil war ! Catholic where s not the are not the not only ones the protestants that fought and and died togeter. There no check for goodsto Briton 1in 6 items from briton get checked More checks ess drugs!!£ Australia I don’t want their food standard.
@philiporeillycork
@philiporeillycork 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp can’t see how segregation will form any solution should there be a border poll. Firstly it would require a referendum to be passed in both NI and ROI which would never happen on that issue. Secondly splitting off a section of community has never worked in NI and has led to where we are today with decades of hostility. I can see the majority of politicians in ROI trying to reach out to unionists to make this island as inclusive as possible rather than dividing further. All of this could be years away or never at all but if there is a border poll it would be a simple Yes/No on Irish reunification.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
@@philiporeillycork Mmm potentially true, I just think the Irish Question lies entirely in the hands of the Unionist community and how much of their 400 year old hertiage they're willing to put aside to be governed by Irish Catholics, however secular or inclusive they might now be.
@Leptospirosi
@Leptospirosi 3 года назад
Let's just say Brexit screwed the best option for peace and tolerance that Ulster could ever had. It just threw a huge chunk of crap into the vent, and "good luck: have fun!"
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Very much disagree, Brexit did nothing but just warm up a frozen conflict. There was no peace or prospect of real peace and there won't be until the issue is finally resolved properly. Stay tuned for Part 2 where I'll be discussing my opinions on what the solutions ought to be.
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp The EU took nationalism and unionism out of the N.I.field of view, all the crap would have gradually died away. Cameron, the yellow belly just pandered to one loud mouthed English fraction and waved the arse-hole flags in NI all over again, he was a prat.
@eoin79
@eoin79 3 года назад
Reasonably accurate except, I would find fault where you said after the 1916 Rising Ireland switched from wanting devolution within the British empire to wanting full blown independence. I can see where this misunderstanding arises, but it isn't correct. The Irish people always wanted complete seperation from Britain. It was what they fought for in 1798 and in 1641 and in a thousand other battles. But as long as they pursued this ambition via constitutional means (with the Home Rule party) the only way to achieve it wasn't just to secure the support of Irish people - which was a given - but also of a majority of the House of Commons and the House of Lords. There was no way on earth, the British parliament, at the height of it's power were ever going to agree to complete independence at a time when empire was an ideology and the King's writ extended across on quarter of the globe. So the parliamentry party campaigned for dominion. But that does not mean that their true end goal. Think of it like a captive's negotion with their kidnapper. As a captive, you might ask your kidnapper to let you walk outside in the garden under supervision, instead of being cooped up in the basement all the time. That doesn't mean that was all you wanted. It just means those were the best terms you had a shot of securing.
@jonathanbuzzard1376
@jonathanbuzzard1376 3 года назад
Except polling at the time showed just that, a majority didn't actually want to be completely independent. It was the ham fisted execution of the "ring leaders" of the Easter Rising that turned public opinion. Noting that Home Rule was all agreed and ready to role but was on hold due to this things called WWI. No WWI, home rule would have come in 1914 and there would have been no Easter Rising. Germans have a lot to answer for.
@eoin79
@eoin79 3 года назад
@@jonathanbuzzard1376 That's completely untrue. Opinion polling didn't even exist in Ireland at the time. You made that up.
@jonathanbuzzard1376
@jonathanbuzzard1376 3 года назад
@@eoin79 That's because you have been taught a distorted view of history as the victors have re-imaged history as they wanted it to look. The idea that there was prior to the Easter Rising in 1916 anywhere near a majority in support of an independent Ireland is like thinking the Bolsheviks where in the majority in 1917. Nice story, completely fabricated.
@aaronboggs9719
@aaronboggs9719 3 года назад
Nice work on this one. As a Derry man, this is refreshing to hear anyone educated on the history of the North. Fair play. Maíthu. 😀
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it, stay tuned for Part 2 (which you might not like as much, as I'll be giving my own opinions as opposed to here where I just gave a very neutral overview).
@geraldcapon392
@geraldcapon392 3 года назад
Very well done young man this is excellent work. I lived through much of the the history that you describe so fairly, once again very well done and thank you. Subscribed and liked.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it! This is the best sort of compliment I can get: that I described it in a fair and balanced way! If you enjoyed this video, check out some of my other ones too and let me know what you think!
@geraldcapon392
@geraldcapon392 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp i will check out your other videos and let you know what I think. I really like to encourage young talent like yours. So I will keep watching and be in touch again. Best regards, Gérald from L’Hay-les-Roses near Paris.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
@@geraldcapon392 Thanks for that Monsieur, that's very kind of you to say! Makes me know that I must be doing something right to get so many nice comments from people like yourself!
@alanmcgowan3457
@alanmcgowan3457 3 года назад
As a Protestant, living in the Republic of Ireland, I can confirm that there would be no ethnic cleansing by the Nationalist community (nothing to do with religion) against the Unionist community. I have not encountered any bias towards my religion since the late 1980's. I am a patriot to my Country (Ireland) - and once they realised that, religion was forgotten about. The divide is not all about religion, especially since all the scandals that came out about the Roman Catholic church. Most Irish are non-practicing Roman Catholics. My biggest fear of a united Ireland would be violence from the Unionists, and bringing it down south of the Border. They need to understand that they were betrayed by the Tories, not Dublin, not the EU, but Westminster, BoJo and his team. But there's no "fun" in that fact for them (Unionists).
@vickyalberts6716
@vickyalberts6716 3 года назад
I’m from a (perceived to be) catholic background but am a unionist and British. I think a united Ireland would be a disaster for us economically. You only have to look back to 2009 and the credit crunch to see how badly Ireland suffered. However this NI protocol is damaging our economy already. If it was up to me I’d vote for a hard border between NI and the ROI and get rid of this protocol.
@Loostyc
@Loostyc 3 года назад
Ireland is doing well economically. Its only a matter of time when Ireland will reunify, better be ready. Honestly I don't think much will change economically for the NI after reunification anyway.
@bluechip297
@bluechip297 3 года назад
Agree but the GFA must be amended first so people like you cannot obtain an Irish passport or citizenship and all the benefits that entails.
@paulcronin3626
@paulcronin3626 3 года назад
I don't think you're being truthful
@vickyalberts6716
@vickyalberts6716 3 года назад
@@bluechip297 I don’t mind that. I’ve never wanted an Irish passport. I’m curious though. Why would you want to prevent ‘people like me’ from having one?
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thanks for the comments everyone! Stay tuned for Part 2 which should be out in the next few weeks, where I'll be replying to common comments and giving my own views on the matter (so not as balanced as this video, but hopefully still as enjoyable!!!) Much love and take care!!
@seosamhdude
@seosamhdude 3 года назад
Pretty good. Most of the southern unionists in the 20's threw their lot in with the political party that eventually became Fine Gael... they're a centrist party with some right leaning tendencies, I don't know if that would happen now, in Ulster the unionists were and are that bit more firm in their convictions. I don't know if something like that would happen again but who knows. It will be interesting to see.
@TheSWCantina
@TheSWCantina 3 года назад
Alliance party have moderate Unionist which I could see enter Irish politics. DUP and the TUV are the hardline which never would.
@seosamhdude
@seosamhdude 3 года назад
@@TheSWCantina maybe, only time will tell
@wataboutya9310
@wataboutya9310 3 года назад
I was born and raised Protestant in Northern Ireland back in the 50's, 60's and 70's. I left the island for a new life in America in 1979. I remember as a young boy growing up in a housing estate all us kids played together and we never really paid any attention to the fact we were from different religions. We pretty much had an idyllic childhood even though we were all quite poor. That however, all changed when the Troubles started. I was only twelve years old at the time. From then on it was nothing but bombing, maiming and killing. People became hardened and long time friends were torn apart by the rapid change in Northern Irish society. As a twelve year old in those days, I really couldn't grasp why this was all going on but as I went through my teenage years. I began to resent it because I felt that instead of enjoying my teenage years as in normal peaceful society. We found ourselves living in a place where you could get clubbed to death by other teenagers because you were from a different religion. As time passed bombings, shootings and mutilations became part of normal every day life and some of the children I had once played with as a child became very bad adults indoctrinated into a regime of hatred. I hope and pray that Northern Ireland never reverts back to the sort of violence I remember from those years. That said, with what is happening now I would not ever rule it out because I grew up there and know the people.
@TD-yk8bf
@TD-yk8bf 3 года назад
I see this sort of crap coming up more and more often. It's a time honoured British unionist ploy to don the clothes of those they persecuted in an attempt to play the victim. The exact same scenario was enacted in a James O'Brien radio (LBC) broadcast where one from the british community waxed lyrical about "those beautiful times" pre troubles where all us children hopped on a unicorn blah blah blah. Complete rubbish and probably written by someone on the shankill Road. They forget about gerrymandering, the pogroms, innocent catholics being murdered on the Shankill in 1966 (3 years before the troubles). I could go on like this ad infinitum. Don't believe a word of it. Pick up a reputable book and see for yourself.
@TD-yk8bf
@TD-yk8bf 3 года назад
@@monty0289 Watch this "Eye witness-the burning of Bombay Street" (you Tube). Then ride off on your unicorn to fairytale land.
@TD-yk8bf
@TD-yk8bf 3 года назад
@@monty0289 No. Love dismantling your fairy tales.
@monty0289
@monty0289 3 года назад
@@TD-yk8bf dismantling my fairy tales? ok, well enjoy!
@TD-yk8bf
@TD-yk8bf 3 года назад
@@monty0289 Already enjoyed. Job done. Bye!
@simonwiggins8570
@simonwiggins8570 3 года назад
You can't really look at religion as being a determining factor politically these days in Northern Ireland. For example, many of those once deeming themselves as Protestant no longer identity that way and list themselves as 'Other' or 'None' in the Census. This brings down the % of Protestants but doesn't bring down the % of Unionists, because those Prods who now describe themselves as Other or None are still Unionist. Meanwhile Catholics are still much more likely to call themselves Catholic even if they aren't at all religious which keeps the Catholic % figures high, but that doesn't mean support for a United Ireland. Many Catholics today (20-30%) when polled explain they would vote to remain within the United Kingdom.
@damienflinter4585
@damienflinter4585 3 года назад
The Unionists viewed it as a sectarian war (back to 1690 and all that)which suited the British military framing of themselves as 'neutral peacemakers' holding the ring between the primitive paddies, thus erasing the civil rights argument against the apartheid tribal state£et p£anted to keep Ireland divided, and thus conquered, in perpetuity.
@maskellmaolseachlainn6347
@maskellmaolseachlainn6347 3 года назад
Simon Wiggins - would love links to reputable sites that back up your claims, thanks.
@maskellmaolseachlainn6347
@maskellmaolseachlainn6347 3 года назад
@@damienflinter4585 If you're going to make a bigoted and hateful comment, you could - at the very least - make it more intelligible. (Or perhaps you're simply too primitive - with little grasp of basic English grammar - to make it any clearer.)
@damienflinter4585
@damienflinter4585 3 года назад
@@maskellmaolseachlainn6347 Any chance of an example of that 'hate and bigotry' from my above comment, Maskell? I'd suggest you are projecting your own preconceived psychology. As for my grammar, I've master's degree in English from TCD, so perhaps you should lodge your peevish whinge there. I'm also old enough to have been a teenager as Paisley unleashed his hate and bigotry through the 1960s; and internment, torture, and the shoot-to-kill Para and asSASsination squads were unleashed on peaceful demonstrations. I also spent time on the ground, from the Belfast streets to the walls of Derry and Garvaghy Road trying to explain to kids caught in the Unionist war-trap that they served nobody but Sandhurst and the status quo. I also have a degree in history, so I'm not regurgitating hearsay. TCD is hardly a nationalist stronghold, and one of my lecturers was an Enniskillen Protestant who seldom had to contradict or correct my views. Try sobering up, reading what I wrote, and replying without the reactionary knee-jerk. Slán.
@OhEidirsceoil
@OhEidirsceoil 3 года назад
@@damienflinter4585 spot on 👍👍
@geoffreypyne5809
@geoffreypyne5809 3 года назад
As a 5th generation Australian of 82% Irish/18% Scottish DNA, 7 convicts, a fine old Anglo-Norman surname and Famine refugees I must congratulate you on this balanced report. I was christened Church of England, won prizes at Presbyterian Sunday School and raised in the Catholic School System, so I am fairly broad-minded. My observation is that the Republic has become radically less Catholic, more secular, in just the last 20 years. The educated in the North have read themselves out of Religion long ago. So the hope is that a tolerant majority of both "Irelands" will see the common economic, cultural and political sense of uniting to form One Ireland, free of Church interference and foreign indebtedness. Just look at the bright young, secular Irish kids making these 'As Ghaelighe" You Tube clips.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Yes, I think that's very true, however the Loyalist community form more of a nationality than just a religious group now, and so they'll either have to move to England or else will be a thorn in the side of Irish politics in a United Ireland.
@OhEidirsceoil
@OhEidirsceoil 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp they have other choices too
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 3 года назад
The divided schools is a curse.
@OhEidirsceoil
@OhEidirsceoil 3 года назад
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 I don't think there is any legal reason for it. Unfortunatley it is what a lot of people still want.
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 3 года назад
@@OhEidirsceoil I'm not sure that ordinary people want the divided schools.
@Jack-yz4ws
@Jack-yz4ws 3 года назад
For me the main issue no one discusses is class. As the issues Ireland has faced in our history has been social, political, economic, and religious. Now we have made great strides in all of these areas but not completely. One major aspect of the creation of the statelet of Northern Ireland is the idea of class and wealth. Now in the 1920s Northern Ireland had a booming industry of ship building, farming, and linen mills and clothing factories particularly in Belfast and Derry. The owners of all these industries and all the massive acres of farmland were majority protestant and unionist. And after 1916 they were afraid because many of the leaders of 1916 and Irish republicanism at the time was thought if by by socialists and communists who wanted a 32 county socialist Republic, for example James Connolly was one of these. So they were afraid that people were going to rise up against and demand better treatment in the workplace if not going as far as seizing all of their wealth too and fearing something similar to the United Irishmen of Wolfe Tone in the late 18th century which United many Catholics and protestants and it's consequences of major land reforms and redistributions all across Ireland. Now in 1919 Sinn Fein was not running around the country with guns and bullets; as many believe; instead they fought and won an election that was more radical and leftist that any other party in Britain or Ireland has ever campaigned in. And they won the majority of the votes, and since it was their party policy they refused to take their seats in Westminster and instead wanted to set up their own independent Irish Parliament. So therefore, the people of Ireland democratically voted for independence. And only 2 and a half counties in Ireland had a clear substantial unionist majority, these being Antrim, Down, and Armagh. The rest either voted for independence of had a significant nationalist majority that wasn't a clear cut majority. So the unionist working class through the threat of violence and arms tried to oppose this and began to fear monger the protestant working class man who was equally as poor as the Catholic working class man to fear him. They said "Dublin rule was Rome rule" and that they will all be oppressed and have pogroms against them in an Irish republic (which is what happened to Catholics in the north). And they needed to do this because economically they would not be able to uphold a state smaller than 5 counties otherwise their state would collapse. Now fearing further violence and fearing bloodshed the Irish government at the time were willing to give them the entire province of Ulster, yet they refused. Instead taking the 6 protestant majority counties of Ulster and leaving 3 behind because they'd a significant Catholic majority to protestant minority. So the British government said hears your 6 counties. And for 50 years the ruling class have sowed the seeds of discontent between the 2 communities pitting them against each other and keeping them poor and down low while favour one group slightly more because they vote the right way. So in the 20s you had pogroms and tit for tat killings and state killings of Catholics after the partitioning, you had pogroms against the Catholics in the 30s during the depression and hunger marches because the Protestants were told that the Catholics were taking their jobs and were too lazy to work and we're taking all the state benefits, there was pogroms against the Catholics in the 40s when the south stayed neutral in ww2, and pogroms in the 50s when the IRA had an unsuccessful campaign of attacks along the border. So in the early 60s/late 50s the civil rights movement was started yet failed to get anywhere, and it was started with the sole idea of Catholic emancipation. Then in 1964/65 they took to the streets and began marching peacefully for civil rights and to end housing discrimination, job discrimination, police discrimination and heavy handedness, and to end various special powers acts which included the power to jail people without trial. It wasn't until the much more radical student group 'Peoples' Democracy' got involved that they got anywhere. The student group and its most iconic member Bernadette Devlin were more socialist in their beliefs and pushed the civil rights movement to be more radical, to not follow any particular political ideology to unite people from various backgrounds, and to campaign for all people not just Catholics. The movement had been scrutinized by poor protestant people who were alienated by the main focus of Catholics when they too were suffering, so Bernadette and many others sought to unite the whole of the working class. The marchers eventually took on a series of long marchers from Belfast to Derry and across the whole province in which they were attacked and stopped by police and mind if angry unionists who again we're fearmongered into believing that the civil rights movement was strong for the IRA. Eventually the protestors began to get tired of being stopped and best of the streets and began to responded to the violence with violence, this then turned to mass riots across the province and the troubles began. The idea of the border being drawn wrong or being redrawn or the peace walls or trying to separate the two communities doesn't work and creates more division. And this has been the case for all of British colonialism and every time it has been their own downfall. Just look at Rwanda, just look at South Africa, look at India and Pakistan, look at Israel and Palestine, or look Yugoslavia after the collapse of the Soviet Union or turkey and the Kurds. The problems of people affected by colonialism both settlers and natives aren't solved by separating the two, one conquering the other, or god forbid ethnic cleansing. The real solution, I believe, is through the working class asserting itself as the democratic majority and as the people who do all the work campaigning for unity amongst people and for better economic and social rights and protections because the main aim should be to give people enough so that they can live good lives. And if people are happy and live good lives then they'll have no reason to be angry and no reason to see armed struggle as an option.
@raymondhaskin9449
@raymondhaskin9449 3 года назад
Class does not answer the Ulster question. Identity and nation are what matters to the people in Northern Ireland.
@maryjbara42
@maryjbara42 3 года назад
Well Said Jack
@Jack-yz4ws
@Jack-yz4ws 3 года назад
@@raymondhaskin9449 class is not the end all and be all of the issue in Ireland in that sense you are right. However, I don't think the factor of class should be if ignored and that it has significant underlying attributions to the issues in Ireland, I think I could've specified my point a bit better. What I mean to say is that you simply cannot solve some of Ireland's issues but not the rest otherwise you risk creating a different framework of issues and making the issue unsolved. Because in my view, politics isn't as simple as the odd economic or political issue and the odd reform or bill one ought to make. Because everything is linked and everything that effects a man's life is linked from what food he eats, to his house, to his job, to where he lives etc. And the issues effecting Ireland and especially northern Ireland are all linked. And the various uprisings and trouble we've had here have been brought about because all of these issues social, political, economic, and religious and religious have too much for people to bear. And it simply isn't solved by moving something from one box to the other, my view is that the entire system and socioeconomic state of things must change. Moreover, the colonisation of Ireland resulted in not only the social, cultural, national, and religious subjugation of the Irish people by also the economic subjugation of us. For example, the fact that English land lords owned thousands of acres of land here even though they had not set foot here for generations resulting in impoverished tenant farmers paying money to them and that there was barely any land left for the native Irish to own which cause the Land league to be formed. Or how about all during the famine when we were starving and immigrating in our millions due to the potato blight only for other Irish produce like grain to either be stockpiled and guarded from us and/or exported to English and that the poor Irish peseantry had to flee. And there are countless other examples. And these issues were massive in Ireland, and are massive parts of Irish identity and history so this did effect us and did cause the background reasons of which the framework of Irish nationalism is built. Moreover, identity also plays into economic and class oppression in Ireland when we think of how Catholics were oppressed here. Think of the "No Irish Need Apply" signs for jobs, think of how before the land league there were limitations on what Catholics could own and sell an example being horses worth over 15 pounds I believe (not exactly sure if the weight). Or in northern Ireland, how about when Catholics were discriminated against in jobs, housing and policing? Is this not classism built on a foundation of sectarianism in which one religious class is treated differently from another? This is significant in my opinion as this lead to the civil rights movement which lead to the troubles. Moreover, I would like to provide more modern examples. I live in the North and recently at Easter we had riots all over the country largely due to the Bobby storey funeral and the NI protocol, these weren't the sole issues, but indeed the main issues and the ones that broke the camel's back. Now when you look at the footage and pictures of the rioters the thing I notice is that they're all working class kids from working class and disadvantaged areas out rioting. If it was solely an identity issue then why was there no rioting in middle class or rich unionist neighborhoods. These kids from disadvantaged neighborhoods have likely been hit bad by the economic crisis cause by the Coronavirus pandemic and that they're frustrated and scared and don't know what to do and the only thing they can fall back on is to blame the other side. And the North was in a bad state before the pandemic too with a homeless population at around 25,000 and the number of people living below or at the poverty line at roughly 300,000 people Which is half our population. Similarly look at the riots we had from 2011-2015 after the economic crash in 2008 in which our hosting market was hit badly. Now these riots also coincided with the flag issue and the protests around that, but before this was an issue people were already angry, again this was just the straw that broke the camels and made people say enough which gave them an outlet to voice their frustrations with the system. And just look at the troubles too. Why were the paramilitary strongholds all in working class and disadvantaged areas? Ykno big rich Jim up the Malone road (a rich area in Belfast) wasn't running to join the RA or UVF. But wee Jimmy and Sammy from the shankill and ardoyne did. At the end of the day I think we have to ask who does it benefit to have working class Catholics and working class Protestants divided and hating each other to the point of a civil war? It benefits no one. But it does benefit the factory owner who then has a distraction from the question as to why his employees wages are too low, or the landlord as to why his rent charge is too high, or from the politicians or can pick a side and rile them up to get votes and thus political power. I'm not denying that you are right in saying that identity, culture, and the national question are the big issues but I believe there are underlying issues that aren't spoken about as much that equally cause so much more frustration and historically have been major factors in Irish politics and have shaped out national identity, politics, and culture to this day. I hope this makes more sense and clarifies my point a bit more. : )
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thank you for that very in-depth take on this issue. I would say however that this represents the common blind-spot that most Leftists have; Its not the Economy, stupid, it's Values. The Unionists and Nationalists could be rich or poor, working or middle class, and it wouldn't make the slightest difference in the fact that one wishes to live and be governed under one flag, and the other under another. Borders ought to reflect People, not the other way around, and if the Unionists in Ulster do not wish to be governed by Dublin, then they ought to have the right to Self-Determination, just as the Irish Nationalists in Ulster ought also to have the right to Self-Determination.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thank you for your take here, although one cannot look at protests and riots as a representation of the entire community. Middle class people don't tend to riot and are reluctant to protest (unless it's for very safe, non-divisive issues). This is also the case for older people as well. That's the reason why you see working class kids rioting, because they are the ones who are most likely to, whilst the Great Silent Majority of Unionists in Ulster, be they middle or working class, young or old, are in agreement and common cause with them.
@rexlex7784
@rexlex7784 3 года назад
Superb evidence-based piece that steers clear of polemic. Well done! This is the content I love - well researched with facts. I’ve subscribed.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thanks for that, really appreciate the kind words! Ive subbed to you too, just as I always try to do with my supporters! Check out my other videos too and let me know what you think of them too!
@CollieJenn
@CollieJenn 3 года назад
Me too.
@Alan13Mac
@Alan13Mac 3 года назад
@@CollieJenn thanks
@michaeldaly6532
@michaeldaly6532 3 года назад
Good analysis. Using the word "when" rather than " if" is unhelpful if avoiding street violence is to be considered. I'm 82 years old and predicting the future is still difficult. By the way the Dail( Irish Parliament) is pronounced dawil. M D
@CollieJenn
@CollieJenn 3 года назад
No its not.
@poronkieli
@poronkieli 3 года назад
Thanks for another good video. Anyhow, I think that there is probably one important mistake (time stamp 14:18) when you're telling: "... having this border down the Irish Sea means that goods going to and from Northern Ireland..." It's only "to", not "from". The border is from GB to Northern Ireland, not other way around: NI can export to GB like ever before. The UK Gov -website page "Guidance Trading and moving goods in and out of Northern Ireland" tells: "There are no changes to how qualifying Northern Ireland goods move directly from Northern Ireland to Great Britain." This is why now NI has really good position for companies located there: free access to both the GB as well as to the EU.
@frankaczmarek3042
@frankaczmarek3042 3 года назад
Therefore I don't understand the stubbornness of DUP. Do you really know what they want?
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thanks for that, and yes I had misspoke when I said that, it is indeed only GB to NI and not the other way around. Thanks for the correction!
@poronkieli
@poronkieli 3 года назад
@@frankaczmarek3042 To me (an outsider) it looks like DUP is not trying to find what is best for Northern Ireland, they simply try to keep NI as close as possible to the rest of the UK (and as far as possible from the ROI). No matter what damage this might do for the people in NI. DUP is talking as if they presented all the population of NI. They got 30,6% (loss of 5.4%) of the votes in the 2019 in the general election in Northern Ireland. Yeah, it's big, but far from the majority that they try to make it look like.
@frankaczmarek3042
@frankaczmarek3042 3 года назад
@@poronkieli Thank you very much for the answer. I had similar suspicions that they saying NO just because. I'm Polish-Canadian but Irlend's situation always was very close to my heart Especially my interest was awoken when Margaret Tatcher allowed young Irish freedom fighters to die on a prison hunger strike. Since that time I read everything I could find about the Irish struggle. Similarly, I feel for Scottish people. But it doesn't mean I don't like English people. Most of them are wonderful, unfortunately, some are not.
@frankaczmarek3042
@frankaczmarek3042 3 года назад
@@poronkieli One more thing. recently last DUP leader lost his position because his party is not allowing the Irish language to be recognized in NI. This is such a sad story because this is Ireland but Irish the language of the land is still not allowed.
@robertn2951
@robertn2951 3 года назад
Should the Protestant Unionist emigrate to Liverpool, London or Scotland, they would CHANGE their mind about Unionism. When you move to a place, the place changes YOU. You become more like the people of the place you move to.
@georgebarnes8163
@georgebarnes8163 3 года назад
moving from one part of the UK to another is not emigrating.
@cyniciam
@cyniciam 3 года назад
Point of order - Ireland did not strictly speaking get independence in 1922. They became what was then the ‘Irish Free State’ which required an oath of allegiance to the Crown. It was only in 1949 they became a republic.
@patricklynch6547
@patricklynch6547 3 месяца назад
As I was born in 1942 in Dublin I was born a subject to the crown, that’s the part I don’t like.
@philipshanahan2774
@philipshanahan2774 3 года назад
A very accurate analysis. Thank you.................. [ The Pied Noir problem].
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thanks, much love for that!
@rocnaturalherbes6120
@rocnaturalherbes6120 3 года назад
Yes. However, I doubt the Irish would give a “suitcase or coffin” option to their fellows.
@jamespower2984
@jamespower2984 3 года назад
Very good information and accurate, this is kind of interesting and informative advice that is needed now, 👍👍
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Glad it was helpful! Really appreciate that bro, thank you and much love!
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 3 года назад
The 2021 census will be interesting, it will be hard to assess the growing middle ground who do not feel comfortable in either sectarian flag waving camp. Sadly in elections the middle will be squeezed by ‘I don’t want THEM getting in’ retro voting. The elected politicians will remain embarrassing.
@davidorourke4311
@davidorourke4311 3 года назад
even more sadly many of the middle ground northern Ireland Voters may decide not to bother voting if there's a perception of 2 extremes but Apathy makes things worse.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Apologies for such a late response, Ive been snowed under from all the responses. Part 2 with a Q&A is out already, check it out and share it about and let me know your thoughts in the comment section!
@johncahalane7327
@johncahalane7327 3 года назад
Just to point out in 2021 there will not be a Census due to Covid 19 either in UK or ROI ,The only issue I would take with you is that many of the exports to the British mainland are not strictly Northern Irish ,milk from cows in the Republic made into butter or vodka is neither one or the other ,,I can see the European Union and the United States having a massive say in the settlement here and indeed the same applies to Scotland too.The concept of kin is very strong much stronger than in England in both countries ,not sure if Unionists and Scousers would be welcome in Liverpool a very Irish Catholic City ,would be like landing them in South Boston or Framingham, good mix and can't see a welcome from the SNP seeing new tories arrive in Scotland.It is that mistake of English clearings and plantations.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
@@johncahalane7327 The Census did take place but the results wont be released til 2022. Yes true that exports are complicated, but nonetheless they still pass through the respective nations. And watch my Q&A to this video as I cover my own thoughts on why Unification is an unwise policy to undertake.
@ryanoneill7560
@ryanoneill7560 3 года назад
It would be worth noting that when the Unionists were afraid of their rights being "trampled on", they were simultaneously "trampling on" the rights of Catholics/Nationalists. Very key detail that was missed in the beginning
@jamesdowson3673
@jamesdowson3673 3 года назад
As did the south with the Protestants left behind. We lost 70% of our people while Catholics in the big bad north grew from 250,000 to 900,000 so not that bad eh. My and my wifes gran parents like thousands of Protestants were forced/burnt our of the south be Devs Bigoted fascist Catholics state and laws refusing to even recognize Protestant marriages. Go look it up.
@ryanoneill7560
@ryanoneill7560 3 года назад
@@jamesdowson3673 wouldn't pretend that the Republic were whiter than white tbh but it doesn't negate the fact that Irish citizens were seen as 2nd class in the Orange state. Though in the South can you really be surprised that after some 300 years of brutality and attempted cultural genocide that people would want to take their pound of flesh? Not saying its right but you can half understand the thinking behind it
@Alan13Mac
@Alan13Mac 3 года назад
We can’t change the past,. But we can change the future Soon we’re going to have an opportunity to make a new ireland😄😅
@steve00alt70
@steve00alt70 3 года назад
They wanted the irish to stay in the south. And ROI is actually more economically richer now than NI. If a united ireland happened right now there will be war again.
@ryanoneill7560
@ryanoneill7560 3 года назад
@@steve00alt70 would be more than slightly ironic that those who lambasted the nationalist community for taking up arms would then in turn do the same. Though I think their reasoning would be fear of possible retribution instead of civil rights.
@TheKalihiMan
@TheKalihiMan 3 года назад
I understand that you may have omitted some details on the historical background for the sake of the video’s length, but you seemed to have glossed over a very important fact concerning the settlement of Ulster by Protestants from Britain: that these settlements were in fact on land taken by force and its native inhabitants (primarily Catholic Irish) either displaced entirely or relegated to second class status. It isn’t as if these two populations were living as equals side by side, these British colonists formed a colonial elite which controlled large estates (plantations) of stolen land granted to them by the English government, and in fact Ulster was the region least affected during the Great Famine due primarily to the nature of land division. This is also why Ulster Protestants were so staunchly opposed to Irish home rule and later independence, as they would lose the privileged status they enjoy under British rule. Ulster Loyalism is very much a reactionary colonialist movement displaying the same type of reaction as similar settler-colonial projects like Israel and Apartheid South Africa in the face of an anticolonial struggle.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
1) Check out my 2nd video (Q&A) on why I omitted some things in this video. 2) The narrative painted here is too simplistic (Leinster was actually least affected by a narrow margin by the Famine, for instance) and yes, Catholics were either forcibly moved and were given second class status, but its far too simplistic to say that Protestants formed a landed elite (some did, but not even a large minority of them). 3) Whilst it was a settler-colonialist arrangement, the conflating of Apartheid South Africa with Israel is deeply inaccurate and offensive. Apartheid and Jim Crow in America were uniquely evil systems of racial segregation, the likes of which were not seen in Ulster nor in Israel.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Even the terms "reactionary colonialist movement" tells me that you have a specific bias with regard to this conflict, and I have no interest in the support of either side, but peace for both. I have no time for those who wish to go off of ideological simplistic narratives which ignore nuance and destroys any sort of compromise. Just what exactly are the descendants of such settler colonialists to do in the event of a United Ireland 400 years after their ancestors moved there? Labelling them as "settler colonialists" means that they have no right to the land that they were born and raised and fought for, which does nothing to bring peace because it signifies no other choice for them but to get out.
@TheKalihiMan
@TheKalihiMan 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp Whether every single Ulster Protestant was or is a member of a landed aristocracy is beside the point as far as the colonial subjugation of Ireland is concerned. The Protestant plurality in Ulster is due in part to an influx of refugees from Scotland in the late 17th century fleeing famine, and it’s almost certain than not all of them were granted large plots of land upon arrival. However, even working class Ulster Protestants who didn’t hold large estates of stolen land still formed a sort of labor aristocracy within the British colonial system, being granted both higher wages and preference for employment, particularly when cities like Belfast became industrial centers in the 19th century. Organizations such as the explicitly supremacist Ulster Protestant League arose specifically to protect the privileged status of Protestant workers over Irish ones, which UPL members erroneously claimed were being given preferential consideration in terms of housing and employment when the opposite was true (see the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Movement for an example of actual housing and employment discrimination against Catholics). Organizations such as the Orange Order do a very good job at solidifying the ethnoreligious divide and continuing to pit working class members of both communities against each other. Regarding Israel and Apartheid South Africa, Ulster Loyalism very much embodies the same type of supremacy and colonial domination found in those societies, from displacing the previous inhabitants and relegating them to second class status to the fanatical siege mentality displayed by its adherents. It is an entirely appropriate comparison, and it’s no coincidence that Loyalists tend to show solidarity with both Israel and Apartheid South Africa while Irish nationalists show solidarity with Palestine.
@TheKalihiMan
@TheKalihiMan 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp Simply being the descendant of a settler-colonist does not mean you forfeit your right to inhabit the land you live on. This is a very common reactionary projection which assumes that the original inhabitants wish to enact upon you the exact same type of displacement and domination you have on others for generations. No one is suggesting that Ulster Protestants have no right to live in Ulster, and especially not that they should be expelled en masse. Most of the desire for a mass Protestant exodus in fact comes from hardline Loyalists who view the end of British occupation of Ireland as an affront to their very way of life (see Arlene Foster’s recent declaration that she would leave Northern Ireland should the island unite). Of course, when you’re a reactionary colonial movement, nuances such as the fact that an end to your supremacy doesn’t automatically relegate you to second class status and that the community you’ve kept down for centuries has no desire to do so become obscured, sometimes deliberately.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
They support Israel but not Apartheid South Africa, and as I said, your conflating of the two says a lot about you and the angle you're coming from. Its a worldview which I do not subscribe to, nor is conducive to moving forward. Im well aware of all of the history that you're speaking of, but this video was about the Future, not the Past, and thus a blow-by-blow of 400 years of ethnic conflict was superflous to that end.
@jarlathmurray
@jarlathmurray 3 года назад
Great video... I've never heard someone with an English accent show this much knowledge and understanding of our history before. If only there were more in Westminster or English TV/radio with this level of understanding
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thanks for that, and yes definitely, most of us Englishmen dont have a clue about NI.
@D88111
@D88111 3 года назад
A loyalist paramilitary bombing campaign on the Republic of Ireland is what would happen lol, Troubles 2.0
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Hopefully it doesnt come to that!
@D88111
@D88111 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp It will tho, the loyalists seen how much the republicans gained from their campaign of terror.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
To an extent, that's sadly true. The politics of the whole Ireland, North and South, has been one in which the Bullet ranks higher than the Ballot for far too long.
@1969JohnnyM
@1969JohnnyM 3 года назад
Rebellious because they objected to foreign occupation and the taking off their land by force, the Protestants brought in were given land taken off the indigenous Irish people by force mostly ended in the North East of Ireland because it had the best land, whilst around Dublin (The Pale) a lot of English settled there and throughout Ireland. Laws for 100's of years discriminated against Irish Catholics and to a lesser degree even Presbyterians were treated less than other Protestants which is why they joined with Catholic Irish in the Enlightenment influenced United Irishman Uprising but after this was crushed by British forces Presbyterians began to be treated better and within 2 generations they'd forgotten their previous Republicanism. To be an Irish Catholic was akin to being black in South Africa with discrimination everywhere. After the Irish Republic was formed and they sold out their Irish brothers and sisters in the North for British money and left them to be treated as third class citizens. An Irish Catholic in the North faced discrimination on voting and representation, gerrymandering was rife, job and housing discrimination all wrapped up in a Protestant Security State full of bigots especially in the notorious B Specials. When a little bit of fairness for Catholics was talked about by Unionist PM Terence O'Neill the unionist public led by Ian Paisley created a IRA bogyman that ironically didn't exist. The UVF began killing Catholics a few years before the Troubles began and Paisley and the UVF set of bombs in the hope it would be blamed on the IRA which it was until a Paisleyite killed himself trying to set a bomb off and this was in the years leading up to the Troubles. It wasn't uncommon for a 19 year old Protestant girl to get a new council house over a Catholic couple with many kids who'd been on the housing list for years. Demographics are bringing an end to the North Eastern statelet but Protestants will be welcomed as equals in a united Ireland, that's why the Irish flag is green for Catholics, white for dissenters and orange for Protestants so its represents everyone, meanwhile most Unionists think the Pope is the anti-Christ and Catholics follow the anti-Christ. No side is perfect but one side has ingrained bigotry as its foundation.
@asanulsterman1025
@asanulsterman1025 3 года назад
Your bigoted sectarian spiel is fooling nobody.
@frosty_soda
@frosty_soda 3 года назад
Shut up you gael. Ulster was British long before the UK existed. This video was Sinn Fein propaganda. He overlooks the actual reality of here which most of us see. You ain't getting your "united" Ireland.
@davidthompson9141
@davidthompson9141 3 года назад
Bloody sunday didnt kickstart the troubles…that was like 2 to 3 years in. Bloody sunday helped massively with I.R.A. recruitment though. The troubles really started after clashes between loyalist football hooligans and nationalist civil rights protestors, led to republican areas being attacked in belfast.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thanks for the clarity, I don't claim to be an expert on the complete history of the conflict, but as this video tried to focus more on the Future than the Past, its helpful to know, but not wholly relevant to the question at hand. What are your personal thoughts on what would happen if Ireland attempted to unify?
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thanks for the clarity, I don't claim to be an expert on the complete history of the conflict, but as this video tried to focus more on the Future than the Past, its helpful to know, but not wholly relevant to the question at hand. What are your personal thoughts on what would happen if Ireland attempted to unify?
@davidthompson9141
@davidthompson9141 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp i think the council estates would erupt, violence would return and there would be a full scale humanitarian crisis. Northern ireland’s economy, propped up by welfare, uk government jobs and minimum wage callcentres servicing the british mainland would almost completely collapse, leaving Northern Ireland as an even more impoverished afterthought of a dublin government, which already has enough of it’s own problems and still hasnt recovered from 2008, let alone covid.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Very good analysis. Stay tuned for my upcoming video which will be a Part 2 to this one in which I'll do some Q&A and will give my own views on how the issue might be "resolved" (as Thomas Sowell said: "There are no solutions, only trade-offs").
@biggiesmalls3096
@biggiesmalls3096 2 года назад
Idk if I’m just a naive biased Irishman but idk how you can back England when they essentially started all these troubles by coming here in the first place
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 2 года назад
I back England because I'm an Englishman. Ireland wasn't Eden before the English came, but we wasted a whole lot of time, men and resources occupying an island that had little strategic value and has continually been a thorn in our side with very little to show for it.
@christopherward9506
@christopherward9506 3 года назад
That was a really interesting and well developed explanation. Well done, I really enjoyed watching this.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 2 года назад
Awesome, thank you!
@judemcguigan
@judemcguigan 3 года назад
Very informative and unbiased. An excellent video. I'm from Tyrone and grew up in a nationalist family. I was always fine with the status quo but now that Brexit's happened it seems like the unification question has been put into overdrive. I worry how loyalists will react in the coming years and sincerely hope that peace will prevail.
@colloquialsoliloquy6391
@colloquialsoliloquy6391 3 года назад
How loyalists will react? The majority of them won't. Quite soon after the ceasefire,loyalists turned their backs on the DUP,as they were sick of their policy's being based upon anti Irish rhetoric,instead of improving the community's of the very people that fought,killed,and died to keep those politicians in power. Once loyalists see that a United Ireland,will lead to more prosperity,more safety and zero change towards their culture(as in Donegal for instance) they will leave their ancient hatreds behind.
@fromireland8663
@fromireland8663 3 года назад
@@colloquialsoliloquy6391 Good luck with that!
@joanesp100
@joanesp100 2 года назад
England doesn't want the loyalists
@seamusandpat
@seamusandpat 3 года назад
Liverpool is already an Irish city! lol You would think that in private, the British Government would like a united Ireland and let any consequences be a problem for a Dublin Government!
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
This is so true, from an English perspective, even former Army vets I know who served in NI during the Troubles said that it was a waste of time, lives and resources, and it would have been better for us to have withdrawn and let the Irish deal with it!
@damienflinter4585
@damienflinter4585 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp Its a Tory problem...and unionist tend to be conservative, as do most people with wealth and power. 'What we have we hold' translates as 'not an inch'. We're dealing with NRA/KKK type mentalities of militarist mobsterism. Delicate decommissioning required.
@Mugdorna
@Mugdorna 3 года назад
Funnily enough in the 2018 election an Irish Home Rule MP was elected in Liverpool.
@michellearmstrong7903
@michellearmstrong7903 3 года назад
@@damienflinter4585 no more conservative that middle class Irish
@damienflinter4585
@damienflinter4585 3 года назад
@@michellearmstrong7903 Very true....midd£e c£ass Iri$h is d€€p Toryism.
@ruairijoseph
@ruairijoseph 3 года назад
Just do a swap… bring Irish people in Scotland back to Ireland and Scottish people in Ireland can take their place… and anyone who wants to stay wherever they want can… sorted
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Haha if only life were that simple! People are people, not chess pieces on a board. Borders ought to reflect people, not the other way around.
@harrypmay
@harrypmay 3 года назад
That’s presuming the Scottish people with Irish heritage would go back though. I understand the thinking because I’ve also had that thought (i.e. calling their bluff) as a Lancastrian with Irish heritage and, personally, I think making the journey ‘home’ would be symbolic way of closing the circle of migration, if you will. However, my girlfriend’s father is Scottish with a strong Irish Catholic background and he, as is the rest of his family, more than content with staying in Great Britain. He’s very sectarian, as most people from Glasgow often are, but it doesn’t extend beyond Catholicism and the Old Firm i.e. He’s not stopping English Protestants from coming into his house etc. I think this is because he and many others, see themselves as Scottish first and foremost and then would say ‘Irish Catholic’ if pressed, but never out and out exclusively Irish. That’s the first stumbling block with this exchange of disaporas and one, when concerning Scotland, that’s hard to overcome because the basis for being Irish is, essentially, you’re ‘not English’ which is already case if you identify as Scottish. That being said, it doesn’t matter if you’re first or fifth generation Irish, there is always a bit of a yearning in your heart to go back to the motherland so who knows. A historic moment like uniting the country might be the push the Irish diaspora in Great Britain need. Maybe all those Irish Americans and Australians will also emigrate back too. First things first though, the people of Northern Ireland have to make the decision. It’s easy for so-called ‘plastic Paddies’ like me, living in Lancashire, to say daft things like this when I haven’t been through the trauma of The Troubles and the decision isn’t tied up with all that.
@ciarancassidy7609
@ciarancassidy7609 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp I unfortunately they don't look at Africa borders look like they have been drawn by kids with rulers
@tonyodonnell7189
@tonyodonnell7189 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp that's exactly the point, people are chess pieces when its in the British interest, remove and replace the Indigenous populations and replace with planters from scotland or wales or even england, and to ensure in modern times that voting runs along british religious beliefs and loyalties from a british planted population. I have the right to tell these unwanted colonial planters, who were given Irish land by the british, to FU*k OFF back to britain, or is that right just reserved for the british.
@LiLyM0e
@LiLyM0e 3 года назад
WOW 59K VIEWS!!! Thats amazing! Keep up the good work, you're doing so well!! Hopefully one day i can do as well as you! :D
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thanks, its crazy, I'd been running the channel for 10 months and in the last month, one video propelled the whole channel. Its all about tagging and sheer luck. This video did nothing for its first 50 days, so a song you posted months ago could suddenly blow up!
@LiLyM0e
@LiLyM0e 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp yeah it is so crazy!
@gold3084
@gold3084 3 года назад
Modern Irish Republic is not that religious and the constitution guarantees religious freedom. What do the protestants really fear?
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
I suppose its more to do with nationality than religion, they dont want to be governed by the Irish as they're not their kinsman.
@malachytully5469
@malachytully5469 6 месяцев назад
Rome controlled England Wales and part of Scotland was ruled by Rome but never did anything in Ireland!
@dpg957
@dpg957 3 года назад
as an irishman from belfast i found it very balance until the last few minutes. When you mentioned that we would go from a persecution of the catholic minority by a protestant majority to the reverse. I think that is very very poorly thought out. The government of the republic has for well over ten years recognised there will likely be a future united Ireland (UI) , they have quietly been holding talks with all parties including the Unionists and the british on what this UI would look like. They have likely also been holding talks with the USA and EU about this and their funding of it. As we are now closer to any vote there has been a lot of outreach tot eh unionist community. Some have reacted violently some will quietly be talking. Ireland has a written constitution and is a liberal democracy within the EU which has a number of important laws protecting all citizens. The unionists/ protestant will be fully protected by laws of the EU and ireland. The irish are asking to sit down and discuss with the unionist all matters including flags anthems NHS etc etc etc . Ireland has now offered to pa for all children from the 6 counties to say within the Erasmus higher education scheme. Ireland is holding out an open hand but finding many unionists with a clenched fist. Ireland is now going to pay for a bridge and road connections over the peninsula near warrenpoint. These are just some of the many schemes being fully funded by Ireland .THERE WILL BE NO PERSECUTION OF ANYONE in a UI
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Im not saying that there will be, only that the Unionists feel like there will be. Thats whats important, its the perception of it, thats why they oppose it and have every right to Self-Determination if they see fit (also, why talk about the EU when a majority of Unionists voted for Brexit?)
@lindarenaud2907
@lindarenaud2907 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp Northern Ireland voted against Brexit.
@jaypee6061
@jaypee6061 3 года назад
@@lindarenaud2907 ....so did London , Birmingham , Scotland.....
@jaypee6061
@jaypee6061 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp The Republic of Ireland facilitated a 30 year ira campaign of murder and mutilation against NI Unionists...
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
@@lindarenaud2907 I'm well aware of that, but Unionists voted for Brexit by 60%, whilst Nationalists voted for Remain at 85%.
@olearyma57
@olearyma57 10 месяцев назад
Well that was impressive. Excellent communication skills; logical conclusions from bald facts and recognition of the fact that a solution to the national question in Ireland has to be both democratic and sensitive to the existence of those who don't think like you.
@aidanmurphy9694
@aidanmurphy9694 3 года назад
As an Irishman I knew most things but you did a brilliant job of explaining this stuff and it’s great to see that your actually unbiased I’m sure you have your own views but hopefully we can unite the island and move on from the past
@sampowell1649
@sampowell1649 3 года назад
I myself am pro Irish unification, but from this guys vocabulary and presentation of the video as a whole, he seems to be pretty biased on our side. I don't care really but wouldn't call it completely unbiased
@paulhennessy5627
@paulhennessy5627 3 года назад
Rely enjoying your content and in particular your videos on Ireland and the history of its partition. Factual and unemotional. Keep it coming sir.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thank you, I wouldn't call it "unemotional", but I get what you mean in that I like to think as rationally as possible.
@Stephan74
@Stephan74 3 года назад
Why would the people of Northern Ireland vote for united Ireland?..the British NHS would cease to exist. Just one thing of many.
@sheen5329
@sheen5329 3 года назад
HSE
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
I dont think thats an argument against unification, the NHS isnt the best health service or the best model. National Self-Determination is more important than technicalities (its hardly as if RoI bans poor people from getting healthcare)
@stephenwhalen5632
@stephenwhalen5632 3 года назад
So anyway, it should all be very interesting! I personally believe that there will be an united Ireland in my lifetime. Demographics are destiny! The one aspect of a possible Irish reunification that I have not heard that much talk about is what happens in Ireland post-reunification. There are currently approximately 6.7 million people on the island with 1.8 million in NI. Doing the math, about 27% of the population is in NI. Now, let's make the reasonable assumption (made carefully, its Ireland after all...) that NI will roughly divide politically along the current Catholic and Protestant demographic lines, about 50/50. In addition, assume that the Protestant portion on NI will, at least initially, form an "Irish Protestant Party" IPP so to say, that would be the successor of the DUP. What would happen to the rest of Catholic NI would be anyone's guess; looking like the Republic's current politics, going all Sinn Fein, whatever. My point is that the "IPP" almost immediately becomes the King Maker of Irish politics. They would have a 13.5 % share of the Irish vote in the Dail. Assuming there is not a grand reconciliation government bringing together Fianna Fail, Sinn Fein, Fein Gael, Labour and the rest of them, that 13.5% share will be very powerful as it is concentrated geographically and at least to some extent "united" by a common background ie the Orange. I would love to hear what everyone thinks...
@raymondhaskin9449
@raymondhaskin9449 3 года назад
It isn’t really accurate to use religion anymore, since a large number of people are non religious now, and non religious tend to be overwhelmingly unionist - and a lot of Catholics, especially younger ones, are recent arrivals from Poland and other A8 countries. In 2012 only 513,000 (24%) of people in NI said they had an irish national identity. 500,000 is also the same number of votes that republicans parties pick up in elections. So I don’t think the demographics are as inevitable as people think.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
That is an excellent take! This is what I keep saying, if they stay in a United Ireland, they will constantly be a thorn in the side of Irish politics, even with the mass migration of hardliners to Britain. Unless there is an autonomous region of sorts (almost impossible to draw those borders), then the DUP/IPP or whatever its called will always be a solid voting bloc that can hold Irish politics to ransom.
@stephenwhalen5632
@stephenwhalen5632 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp The question is how can Sinn Fein, Gerry Adams, etc. as the proxy for a United Ireland, can walk into Belfast and immediately talk about how to make the trains run on time. The distinct difference between being in the EU and not will eventually create the opportunity for a United Ireland. How it is sold and then delivered is how history is made.
@stephenwhalen5632
@stephenwhalen5632 3 года назад
@@raymondhaskin9449 I would use religion interchangeably with identity. As unification gets more probable, the segregation of NI into "religious" identifications will intensify, regardless of where you spend Sundays.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
@@stephenwhalen5632 Very true, I think that the longer the Brexit protocol exists that puts barriers between GB and NI, the more NI will slowly fall into the EU's orbit (which has been the plan all along). Its inevitable at this point unless drastic changes happened to reverse this outcome.
@thomasreilly6362
@thomasreilly6362 3 года назад
The figures presented ignore agricultural produce which cross the border and are classed as Irish EU export to the UK and NI export to the UK. The most recent figures show an increase of NI/Irish trade in both directions allowing Irish companies access to the UK market without the EU checks. An all Ireland economy is emerging due to the protocol. There is a sizeable Protestant population in Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan as well as Wicklow and in Dublin. Its no longer an issue in Ireland they are equal citizens in the Law/constitution. I suggest you look up Shifting ground by Susan McKay who has done the most recent research into this subject.
@damienflinter4585
@damienflinter4585 3 года назад
Also, Thomas, theologically, Irish Catholicism has abandoned the old Roman conservatism and moved to a more liberal 'protestant' (individual conscience) praxis...this is the change nobody seems to be explaining publicly to the stubborn Calvinist rump of generally liberal Protestants, who less and less subscribe to the antedeluvian bible-thumper intolerance. Given time the twain can meet, but SF need to cool their porridge, and, in the words of Van recognise, 'you can't push a river'. More haste, less breakneck speed for a paper trophy republic without the equality that the DUP need see as the Democratic slice of their title. Southern politicians are cynically appeasing this recalcitrant rump for their own partisan motives.
@thomasreilly6362
@thomasreilly6362 3 года назад
@@damienflinter4585 Indeed Ireland is not the restrictive Catholic Conservative country I grew just in the 70's. Every time I'm home a see more positive progress towards a more tolerant and inclusive country. "Ireland comes in colour now". On my trips to NI I still see the fading teratory markings on the sides of the road. The fences and the nervous smiles of suspension on peoples faces when a stranger enters a shop. They still have the Mexican from down south coming over their border attitude I don't see a quick fix,winner takes all referendum now or anytime soon. Brexit turbo boosted the inevitability of a referendum but not the result. My guess is if there is a change in government direction (I don't see Labour getting into power but a less right-wing more traditional Tory party retake the party) in the UK and a customs union deal is reached then things will settle down to something more like normal for NI. Scotland will be a bigger factor in NI eventual future.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thank you Thomas for this take, I think that slowly the Unionist community could be absorbed into Ireland, but this could be done more readily in the other 4 counties of NI, not in Antrim or the northern part of Down. There is no way that "DUP Country" will quietly be absorbed into RoI, and their ties, both culturally and economically with England will remain for the foreseeable future.
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935
@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 3 года назад
Their ties are more to an imaginary pure protestant Scotland than to England. There is cricket playing but the real _culture_ looks to Scotland, the wee girls do the Scottish dancing in the traditional outfits. It might be in part a divide from Irish dancing and those outfits!
@kennybrown_ni
@kennybrown_ni 3 года назад
I am pro remaining in the UK. However...A United Ireland would only work if it was A New Ireland. To Achieve this you would split the country into 4 regional assemblies. It could be formed of the 4 Old Irish Kingdoms of... Ulster, Munster, Linster and Connaught. This would be the best way to slowly integrate the North. Ulster would already have Stormont and just add the 3 the other counties. By each region having regional differences the health system in the North could remain seperate until a Irish NHS could be established to cover all of Ireland. Trying to merge Northern Ireland into Ireland as it is at present without major change to how Ireland curently operates would cause serious issues. The United Kingdoms Of Ireland approach would be the best way to see Ireland succeed over time as a new United country. It will be costly and maybe bloody but that is for the People of the Republic to decide because they too have to vote for unification and the costs to the Irish economy and costs to tourism if things turn violent will be felt island wide as international seen as one single country. The question arrises... what if Northern Ireland votes Yes for Unification and Ireland votes no... what happens then???
@pedclarkemobile
@pedclarkemobile Месяц назад
Great content. Its refreshing to get balanced commentary on Ireland from an Englishman. I live in Ireland but went to school in England. The educatioal curriculum just doesn't cover Ireland in any depth. WW2 and the glory days of empire temd to get more attention than avoidable famine (arguably genocidal) of Britain's nearest colony & neighbour.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp Месяц назад
Love for that, thanks a bunch!
@byrnedes
@byrnedes 3 года назад
As an Southern Irish person, I applaud your presentation. Very fair. Very informative. 👍
@johnmcgrath5813
@johnmcgrath5813 3 года назад
"southern Irish" lol
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it, check out some of my other videos too if you enjoyed this one!
@CollieJenn
@CollieJenn 3 года назад
@@johnmcgrath5813 Express reader prolly lol.
@661shivers
@661shivers 3 года назад
@@johnmcgrath5813 I say the same when people say "Northern Irish"
@johnmcgrath5813
@johnmcgrath5813 3 года назад
@@661shivers yep
@str.77
@str.77 6 месяцев назад
England could use a bit of an influx from Northern Ireland, but I don't think many would move.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 6 месяцев назад
True, but they'd be welcome here!
@str.77
@str.77 6 месяцев назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskpSure!
@AClockWorkKelly1
@AClockWorkKelly1 3 года назад
I'm really impressed. It's a very difficult subject to cover. And an Irishman I have to thank you for how open and respectful you have been. One issue also worth discussing. Attitudes to unification in Ireland (the Republic). These actually vary person to person and it's interesting to see how attitudes towards unity differ amount pockets of Irish society.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thanks very much for that, that's the best kind of compliment that I could get from a topic like this which can be so divisive. I did mention about RoI attitudes with regard to paying extra taxes etc, but it would indeed be interesting to see what regions and demographics in RoI who would be for or against reunification.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
The 19th Amendment referendum in 1998 (GFA) was supported by 94% of Irish people, and was over 91% in every constituency, so I doubt that there would be much of a sizeable population or segment of the country that would be strongly opposed to it, only tepidly anxious about it.
@margodalton2608
@margodalton2608 3 года назад
Ian,the economic cost to the ROI is an issue whether we like it or not.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
@@margodalton2608 Very true
@wkdwiz
@wkdwiz 3 года назад
Hmm particularly when it comes to nitty gritty things like national anthems, joining the common wealth and my favourite one the flag, has our current flag does in fact represent both sides, but understandably there are those who don't see it like that. In terms of economics of course its going to cost us, but I believe Westminster will have to contribute also. Moreover, I welcome the fact that it will force the Irish government to finally look at the sate of health care. Roll on the Irish NHS!
@TheGrayPilgrim331
@TheGrayPilgrim331 3 года назад
Very nice video! Good luck with your script, a movie I would definitely watch.
@TheGrayPilgrim331
@TheGrayPilgrim331 3 года назад
One option for unification could be to just pass sovereignty from London to Dublin, but keeping Stormont and the NI assembly going. This way the unionist can still have their say and have a form of independence from Dublin. It wouldn't be a complete unification but could keep the status quo and peace going. Obviously those born in the 6 counties should still be able to have either passport. Good question on who's going to pay the 16% GDP. Can the EU help?
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thanks for that, really loving the support! I love hearing that people want to see my scripts being turned into films, that's the whole reason why I set up the channel in the first place; to build a platform to promote my films rather than having to beg agents to give my scripts a chance.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
I agree, more likely than not there'd have to be autonomous status given to "DUP Country" in Antrim & North Down whilst officially being governed from Dublin. The EU would likely help (although I'm opposed to the EU as a Brexiteer, I recognize that it might be a good thing for the Irish if they consent to it), although tbh its the market place that will close the gap, not central planning from Brussels. Ireland became rich by low taxes and competitiveness, NI is poor because of the tensions and the fact that businesses don't want to invest in a warzone. A combination of autonomous status combined with free market policies will quickly lift NI to the same/similar standards of RoI.
@sallydoc4439
@sallydoc4439 3 года назад
As a Tyrone man …. You give a very balanced well researched video.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Much love and glad you enjoyed it! Stay tuned for Part 2 (which will be less balanced as I will be giving more of my own opinion on the matter, but should still be worth a watch!)
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Part 2 with a Q&A is out already, check it out and share it about and let me know your thoughts in the comment section!
@seanmangan4914
@seanmangan4914 3 года назад
You could have something like a federal setup for a while...this would give the north a semi independent status
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Yes exactly, I'd say that would be the optimal solution, kind of an autonomous region status in which most of Antrim and North Down govern themselves.
@Mrtalbotf
@Mrtalbotf 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp kicking the can down the road won't help, needs to be addressed from day one.
@damienflinter4585
@damienflinter4585 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp Nope, SKP...it's like any racist apartheid mentality...it needs decommissioning. Tory neoimperial Borisitis is a varient virus.
@BoldOne8760
@BoldOne8760 3 года назад
I think the North should be given the exact same government by the South as they have now in the UK.
@davyglen1
@davyglen1 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp There are many Catholics living in Antrim and North Down who might not be happy with this arrangement.
@andrewlally605
@andrewlally605 6 месяцев назад
It never ceases to surprise me how enclaves and exclaves are conceptually beyond the imagination of irish and british people. It happens all the time in Belgium Netherlands Switzerland germany... Could the irish and brits not just become just slightly more sophisticated and mature and creative in their debate? I was born in England and grew up in ireland and have lived in 6 european countries. And if ireland were to unify, then a solution such as exists btn Protestant baden Württemberg and catholic Bavaria is quite feasible under a German template constitutional model for ireland.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for this; the Anglosphere is unfortunately very cursed at the moment with conventional thinking; time for a radical rethinking of how we do everything, build on what we see works elsewhere!
@brianraftery7675
@brianraftery7675 3 года назад
A very impressive presentation. As an American of Irish descent (there are about 40 million of us in the US - second largest ethnic group in America after German Americans), I have always been interested in this topic and I feel that I now know more than I did 25 minutes ago. I also always appreciate unbiased presentations that allow the viewer to make determinations for themselves - your video was as close to such paradigm as I have seen on RU-vid. Thank you.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Thank you so much for that, genuinely appreciate praise like that, as the greatest compliment I can receive for a topic like this is that I'm unbiased and balanced. I mention the German-American diaspora in some of my other videos ("What if the British Empire Never Existed? Part 2"), and think I briefly mentioned the Irish Diaspora too. Also, check out my recent Israel/Palestine video, in which I similarly tried my best to be unbiased (although for that one it was a little harder to stay neutral). Even if you don't watch any more videos of mine, thank you for taking the time to watch this one at least, your time is very much valued!
@corsai7506
@corsai7506 3 года назад
2 of you can make 2 idiots, enjoy
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
@@corsai7506 What? Makes no sense loool
@corsai7506
@corsai7506 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp obviously your cut price talent, senseless in extremis
@josephquesnel1737
@josephquesnel1737 6 месяцев назад
Canadian here. If the North unites with the Republic, I would not be surprised if many left and returned to mainland UK if it happened. I would not blame them at all for refusing to live under Sinn Fein. They are terrorist sympathizers who have abandoned democratic Israel to love Hamas. Terrorists stick together
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 6 месяцев назад
I 100% agree with this take, and we'd welcome them into England if this was the case!
@irishmatthew
@irishmatthew 3 года назад
Fantastic presentation. It’s so refreshing to hear an English person who has taken the time to understand Northern Ireland.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Of course, love it there and have been there twice, have friends out there and have been raised knowing about the history there.
@clareomalley5644
@clareomalley5644 3 месяца назад
Really good exposition. I hope there will be a seamless and smooth transisition .
@p.oneill6943
@p.oneill6943 3 года назад
To Laurie Campbell, Laurie that was One of the Best Answers I have heard, we need More Men with Your Train Of Thought. you are a Good Man and I would like to Thank You Sir for your Fantastic Input... P O'Neill
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Glad it was helpful!
@shubbagin49
@shubbagin49 3 года назад
We Celts are sometimes our own worst enemies, at least we seem to have some kind of soul, God bless you sir.
@cringycook9597
@cringycook9597 3 года назад
Even if we were united we would never be united.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Brilliant way of putting it!
@cringycook9597
@cringycook9597 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp Cheers Man!! Also if I had you as my history teacher back in the day I would have definitely got an A+ 😉
@casteretpollux
@casteretpollux 3 года назад
It'll be grand.
@AM-xh9iq
@AM-xh9iq 3 года назад
Eventually we will be united. Protestant and catholic doesn't matter. Wolfe Tone, Robert Emmet, and other Protestant figures were Irish nationalists. Connolly and several others had no belief in religion at all and believed it was divisive to segregate people by faiths. Eventually we will be united. All of us. One irish people.
@kimmycarolhed7292
@kimmycarolhed7292 3 года назад
@@AM-xh9iq or ROC could unite and join the UK again because i refuse to call myself irish again and no i do not hate catholics or irishmen as my dad is catholic who served in the british army in the troubles. But the divide has gone on for so long i dont feel irish but British
@boojumjunkie402
@boojumjunkie402 3 года назад
Great video, as someone from NI I think its well researched and balanced. However, I do not agree that the same threat of violence exists today, there's a couple of important points to consider. Firstly, the provisional IRAs campaign was heavily funded by Irish-American, Arms and semtex donated by Gaddafi and other anti-colonial supporting organisations such as the ANC. This international support was the reason they would carry on the violence over the troubles. Similar support was not available to loyalist paramilitary groups, who relied the old south African apartheid regime for weapons shipments or the british intelligence services. One of these supporters no longer exist and the other has no interest any more in funding and directing sectarian killings in Northern Ireland. The final point to consider is simply, since the end of the troubles, technology and data intelligence has increased significantly making any sort of coordinated armed campaign in Northern Ireland pretty much impossible. Sure a united ireland could get a couple of hot heads on to the street but the vast majority of people envisage no scenario where a structured armed campaign could be carried out in 2021.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Respectfully I entirely disagree, if anything technology makes war more deadly and available to all sides (3D printed weapons, drones, online purchase of material etc etc). No one is saying that unification ought to be done through violent means, all of this can and ought to remain civil. The ballot is far more preferrable to the bullet, and much of Irish history has been regressed due to folks choosing the latter over the former.
@billydonaldson6483
@billydonaldson6483 3 года назад
There are 1,000,000 people in NI who describe themselves as British. NI gets £10.8 Billion from Westminster in order to offset its deficit. I doubt whether the Republic would keep that up. The Irish government itself has said that it would have to change its constitution and its relationship to the U.K. and possibly its flag if it ever had a hope of winning a referendum.
@skeletonkeysproductionskp
@skeletonkeysproductionskp 3 года назад
Very true, its a clear headache even in the best case scenario (no violence). A vote for unity would just be the first step in a process that realistically would last for at least 5-10 years (imagine the Brexit process, just much worse!)
@derekmcmanus8615
@derekmcmanus8615 3 года назад
@@skeletonkeysproductionskp imagine all the dead Catholic nationalists...do you really think that any Irish government wants that?
@corkboy4523
@corkboy4523 3 года назад
@@derekmcmanus8615 do you think the government and the EU would just stand back and watch that happening? Not to mention the IRA!
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