What If Jason and the Argonauts Had Smoother Stop-Motion?

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What if the 1963 movie Jason of the Argonauts had smoother stop-motion animation for its effects scenes made by the famous Ray Harryhausen? I used an AI program to interpolate the scene to a higher frame rate to see what that would look like.
You liked a similar video I did about 1933's King Kong, so I thought I'd do a sequel of sorts. What do you think of the results?
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-I used Flowframes with RIFE to interpolate the framerate from 23.98 fps to 191.74 fps and then used FFMPEG to reduce that back to 60 fps. Flowframes is free and you can find it here: nmkd.itch.io/f...
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Комментарии : 12 тыс.

@Fickets 3 года назад

The original of the statue works so well because that’s how I’d imagine a bronze statue to move like.

@countersphere2924 3 года назад

Ikr!

@dru1432 3 года назад

Couldn't agree more.

@claymcdermott718 3 года назад

Exactly

@Diathon1 3 года назад

Absolutely

@metalheadmaniac8686 3 года назад

you are a 100% correct

@YarolYarol 3 года назад

The Skeletons looked better, but there's something about the jerkiness of the bronze statue in the original framerate that made it more menacing.

@lyokianhitchhiker 3 года назад

Because it emphasized its nature an an unnaturally mobile construct?

@wyvernharries4788 3 года назад

Id have to agree with that.

@MicahMicahel 3 года назад

@@lyokianhitchhiker because it seems to be in another time zone there's a desirable strange effect.

@CthulhuWaitsDreaming 3 года назад

Exactly what I thought. I preferred the 8x skeleton but the original statue.

@burra007 3 года назад

Uncanny valley. A rare case such trope works in it’s favor

@derianardor 3 года назад

Makes you realize just how impressive this movie was when it came out. It's really not bad even on original form

@josemoreno3334 3 года назад

Yep.

@AAAFilm-yt7gx 3 года назад

I remember watching this as a kid, I didn’t think it could get any better. This was one of the ones that blew your mind as a kid because he loves spooky stuff and then to see the skeletons come to life was amazing. This is just enhancing the heck out of it and it’s glorious.

@StanKelley 3 года назад

@@AAAFilm-yt7gx Yep I was 10 in 1963, nothing better than this for a Saturday morning at the movies. Unless it was Annette- be still my heart.

@Sabaelos 3 года назад

I think some are bad but for the time its great. However, the skeleton one in the end was actually pretty great

@Sabaelos 3 года назад

maybe if the right foot wasnt so stiff it would have been awesome as well for the giant

@maxencedworaczek602 8 месяцев назад

Proof that an active understanding of the rules of animation is more important than frames per second. Ray Harryhausen was really a great.

@hutchmusician 5 месяцев назад

Harryhausen was a giant of cinema. Such an incredible innovator, these movies were nothing without him.

@Deadener 5 месяцев назад

Also anyone who knows jack about stop motion in this era, knows the main issue wasn't the lack of frames, it was the lack of motion blur..

@hutchmusician 5 месяцев назад

@@Deadener Motion blur? With 3D figures? How would you achieve that?

@LudwigVon 5 месяцев назад

@@hutchmusician You wouldn't but if you do this today in CGI you add motion blurred at render, it makes everything look more realistic.

@Ivan-bk9xs 2 месяца назад

BUT DOOD BIGGER NOOMBER MEAN IT MORE GOOD, DOOD!!!!

@colbyneblett8454 3 года назад

The original shots of that statue still hold up. I can only imagine how impressive that was back then.

@bobh.6108 3 года назад

I remember seeing it on the "Big Screen", paying something like $1.50 to get into the matinee. Man that was impressive Ray Harryhausen was the George Lucius of his time. All the classics "had to have Harry" doing the stop animation. It was brutal work, time consuming, but when they finished, you really knew in your heart that colossus was coming for you. It was going to come out of the screen and get you. If it was Harryhausen you made sure to take your crap before going into the theater.

@bobwallace9814 3 года назад

Not only the movie itself but most theatres of that day were large gold leaf ornate interiors with a huge balcony. An organ player played a large pipe organ before and after the shows. The seats were red velvet and there were box seats up along the sides. There were cartoons first before the main show and an intermission to hit the can and buy more stuff from the concessions. The sound systems were surround sound and loud. A 10 cent bus ride got your there. A whole day of adventure for young kids.

@bobh.6108 3 года назад

@@bobwallace9814 We didn't have the organ, and we had a good sound system it wasn't surround sound yet; The THX sound hadn't made it to us. but the rest yes, they were built as "stages" and the screens could be lowered and tied in place, and you could actually walk behind the screen on the stage. Those were they days, 10 cent boxes of candies. Juju bees were the best, they lasted the longest.

@Ouchimoo 3 года назад

In my animation class my professor used this movie as an example of good animation even when frames are limited. Then he found a shot from a stop motion movie that's godaweful simply because someone who wasn't good at animation worked on the shot. It is amazing!

@LegendKingY2j 3 года назад

Idk, i don't like it but for those poor fictional effects it works good

@richardzryd5118 2 года назад

The original bronze statue was intentionally made to have stilted animation in order to simulate metal having a tough time deforming in order to move. Ray even expressed his frustration with executives that couldn't understand this.

@Blox117 2 года назад

if metal deforms it hardens and eventually breaks. the executives were right

@morganbrowning867 2 года назад

@@Blox117 yea and irl statues don’t come alive.

@seriousgranpa 2 года назад

Its not about stiffness but smoothness Ps it still looks stiff

@Dilaudid281 2 года назад

I dunno, the Terminators move around just fine

@mattalex2113 2 года назад

@@Dilaudid281 terminators have joints

@jim8045 3 года назад

I remember a documentary years and years ago, where Ray H. intentionally made the Bronze statue move kinda herky jerky to show that he was in fact made of metal. Both look great, but I prefer the original tbh.

@MadDragon-lb7qg 3 года назад

Agreed!

@DANT98 3 года назад

I agree. Smoothing makes it look like a dude in a suit. The jerky movements for the statue makes sense. I think the smoothing works great for the other parts.

@SheitlQueen 3 года назад

I agree, prefer the original

@sodapopbrosky 3 года назад

Same!

@dorianleakey 3 года назад

He wouldastill have liked this option though, i am sure. It does convince me the most effective effects mix the pratical and digital, these minitures had weight, CGI often doesnt.

@airdriver1460 2 месяца назад

I'm 69 years old and first saw Jason and the Argonauts when I was a little kid and I thought it was the greatest thing I'd ever seen. I guess that I might be just an old guy, but Ray Harryhausen was the man. Nothing needs to be changed and why would you?

@Kayther33 Месяц назад

No saying that need to be changed, but is very interesting to see how it looks with more frame rate. Don't you agree?

@fallguyssuperfan3 Месяц назад

Nice age

@rickkcir2 Месяц назад

Because I’m curious to see the changes, nothing wrong with that?

@wildanrosyada7787 Месяц назад

Nice

@WeedShaggy Месяц назад

N i c e

@MVP_MAGAZINE 3 года назад

Funnily enough it’s the slightly jerky animation that gives its the terrifyingly timeless appeal

@hammersandnails1458 3 года назад

Particularly the skeletons.

@homersimpson7068 3 года назад

Loved the original jerkiness of Talos, I thought it suited someone who may not have moved for decades, not sure on his feet. All the Ray HH films still fill me with wonder, there is something mythic about them that a lot of modern films, with better special effects just don't have, they seem, 'over-real'.

@MasterQueef88 3 года назад

True. However, when I look at the comparison, I can easily see the age of the movie and to see the smoother stopmotion makes it seem like the original work was way ahead of its time in the visual effects aspect. It gives it another vibe that is also interesting.

@Loriddian 2 года назад

Same with the original terminator movie

@grilledsleaze 2 года назад

Agreed, it feels so much more menacing that way

@bombomos 3 года назад

I'm glad the "it must have been the wind" line started with this classic

@Tao-fp3yr 3 года назад

It's really about to bring a whole smile to my face as I play Skyrim again...

@safwanshuhaib9968 9 дней назад

The statue says TALOS like what

@Ronin-ke5wm 3 года назад

I think the appeal of the original is just how 'jerky' the movements of things are. Its that unnatural jerkiness that makes the monsters that much more terrifying

@peterpereira3653 3 года назад

Exactly that sir!

@buttbuttson737 3 года назад

Plus it makes a lot more sense for monsters like the Colossus to be stiff moving, as he's made of metal.

@myoungho12 3 года назад

That’s exactly what I thought. The mechanical movements reminds me of antique terminators. But the bigger question is how this video was recommended to me...

@yashbalaji3262 3 года назад

The only one improved is the skeleton fight imo

@KairuHakubi 3 года назад

i find both versions creepy for different reasons..

@FitzChivalryFarseer2 8 месяцев назад

The effects have aged incredibly well

@felphero 2 года назад

I know this was supposed to show how video software technology can improve stuff, but damn this just made appreciate the original more. I can't imagine how much insane work and effort they had to put into this

@someinteresting 2 года назад

Improve is a bit strong, the retouched version looks faker than the original.

@MarvinMonroe 2 года назад

Are you sure that was the point? I thought the point was to show how the original is better and freakier

@timadams940 2 года назад

Something curious....I actually saw the original footage as appearing more "real" than the higher frame rate. The figures seemed more solid and had apparent mass...and genuinely seem more convincing. These higher frame rates and extreme definitions may be a mistake...Is lack of motion blur to blame? I do know that I feel the cinema projections of most of the Marvel films look great on the big screen. But when these same films are on a 4K television, everything looks plastic-like, phony, and not convincing at all. I hate 4k. They need to put a resolution dial on these tvs.

@ThePinkerton 2 года назад

Totally agree

@holynder3181 2 года назад

Yeah, usually these things look better with the original FPS because of the way the animators intended it to look. In this case I can barely see the difference. Edit: after watching in higher video quality, I can say I think the original is better.

@MrPresidentGeek 2 года назад

The smoother effects kind of look neat, but, at the same time, it makes the creatures look more like they aren't actually there.

@jonathanwaters206 2 года назад

Cool not alone in thinking that

@blastermaster5039 2 года назад

I agree.

@twodollarking8009 2 года назад

It literally looks the exact same to me but as the title says "smoother" it still looks clunky but a little smoother.

@bouhhgz1969 2 года назад

So does the original tho, its just more even movement

@Mr-tu4cj 2 года назад

Yeah the smoother version looks a lot more fake despite being smoother, probably because it's AI

@MemeMan91 3 года назад

the skeleton movement was actually pretty good in both original and 8X

@MysticWolf1223 3 года назад

I remember reading somewhere that the skeleton fight scene took like 3 months to complete

@TonyDracon 3 года назад

both look the same

@Novusod 3 года назад

Jason and the Argonauts (original) had some top notch special effects for the day.

@PoofyKittyPants 3 года назад

@@Novusod Yeah my understanding was when it came to the Greek action film craze it was clash of titans for the best movie but Jason and the argonauts for special effects.

@l3esme568 3 года назад

Hell yeah it is harry is amazing at this stuff

@forestcitytrivia9167 8 месяцев назад

Before Star Wars THIS was the movie that blew people's minds. Harryhausen is a legend.

@Thisisaweirdthing2makeusdo 3 года назад

Blows my mind that they achieved this in 400AD, just crazy.

@brokeandtired 3 года назад

I would be impressed too...as 400AD was after the fall of the ROMAN Western Empire.

@porterhouse_ 3 года назад

....more like 1200BC

@alrick3000 3 года назад

It must have been the wind

@advancedraymondology2914 3 года назад

@@brokeandtired yeah, duh. It was a period piece. Like Mad Men to us.

@lumethecrow2632 3 года назад

Saying this happened in 400AD is like saying the Middle ages happened in 2020

@TheArtofGuitar 2 года назад

Trying to imagine the effort and time that went into making the original. Damn!

2 года назад

Yeah they had to build like a 100ft statue out of iron, not only that but they had to mold it to look like humanoid. And to move that thing, holy shit idk how they pulled that off, maybe with helicopters idk

@boneknockgrit2695 2 года назад

yeah that why it still holding its value till this day. when most of new movies in this day...well.........trash.

@syer3789 2 года назад

lol I just watched your video about dave mustaine's 22 guitar techniques

@lenonel3286 2 года назад

@Jakabok you know it's just a miniature they compose into the shot right?

@darklex5150 2 года назад

@@lenonel3286 you know he's probably joking right?

@GeneralTantzu 2 года назад

The slightly unnatural movement of the monsters is what makes them so great and distinct.

@markpercy4277 2 года назад

Totally agree

@brian4544 2 года назад

Agreed.

@irish66 2 года назад

The smooth version loses all sense of menace, at least for me.

@jhoover33 2 года назад

Don’t like the smooth version at all the original one the shuttery movement of them and an unreal nature and a real weight to them

@billhensley8324 2 года назад

Exactly that was the magic of stop motion

@mrhaag 7 месяцев назад

You managed to take something that was great and make it ok. Kudos.

@Dookieman1975 Месяц назад

How? Only thing that it didn’t work for was the statue

@rickkcir2 Месяц назад

How bro felt after commenting that: 😈😈😈🐺🐺😫😫🗿🗿

@ehtresih9540 Месяц назад

your the type of person to turn red from anger after seeing someone be happy

@JohnNouel Месяц назад

I think the mistake here is there is that we are seeing a 60fps mask on a 24fps film. He needs to record the 60fps movement on a virtual 24fps camera and then use that masked on the original footage. Will look better, here it just looks more fake since it stands out as a 60fps movement.

@Adrian-vy5vn 3 года назад

The jerky movements give a creepy and supernatural feel to the 'monsters" in this movie

@mr.badguy8500 2 года назад

It’s probably the Uncanny Valley effect.

@BerryTheBnnuy 2 года назад

Yeah, the staccato movement of the stop motion makes it feel like there's an unnatural force imposing itself on the natural world in a violent fashion, and the smoother animation just makes it look like an awkward metal man who hasn't moved in a while so he's a bit stuff and needs some time to loosen up... Which really takes the edge off of it.

@stevenadams1795 2 года назад

I agree. Like they are forced to move in a world that is supernatural to them ( the skeletons)

2 года назад

Exactly, this isn’t an improvement, it’s a slap in the face to artistic intent

@nature.rbeauty2255 2 года назад

That’s the magic 🪄 of special effects lol 😂 it is so life like 👍🏿 🍿🥤🎬🎥😎😍.

@Foudedanse 3 года назад

The second that statue turns his head is terrifying at any speed.

@stonewallperformance 3 года назад

Especially with the creeking sound effect!

@anthony8721 3 года назад

Yeah I forgot how creepy that one scene is. Wtf happened to movies these days lmao

@CarlNiemi 3 года назад

Yeah, that head turn awakened some long-repressed terror, yikes.

@eirschu8973 3 года назад

Yessssssss this is pure horror

@CarlNiemi 3 года назад

@@stonewallperformance the really brutal brass music that kicks in when he turns is what really gets me

@nonamesupplied1875 3 года назад

This gives me so much respect for the people who accomplished this back then.

@vonbek8118 3 года назад

Person, it was one man that did the special effects, Mr. Ray Harryhausen.

@DigitalApex 2 года назад

You should see the effects in The Thing, the original. Not the prequel. Or check out The Fly with Jeff Goldblum. Really good practical effects and some stop motion here and there.

@GazzaAyrton 2 года назад

It looks amazing smoother. Really can appreciate how ahead of its time this was. Reminds me of certain portraits hanging in the gallery. Some of them are so sharp and clear, they look like photographs 😳

@bigbilly9657 2 года назад

Totally agree. I wish I could fight skeletons and stuff.

@GazzaAyrton 2 года назад

@@Deadma6 I'm used to the original, but can appreciate innovation and change. If we saw these things in real life they would all move smooth 🤷🏿‍♂️.

@SynthD 7 месяцев назад

The smoother version just feels like something I’d see in an adult swim short.

@gregsvoice5628 2 года назад

There's a certain charm to these stop animation effects that hold up well to this day. Must have been mind-blowing to see this in the cinema back in the day.

@FuImaDragon 2 года назад

Yeah. They outdid even CGI up until fairly recently.

@littlemrpinkness295 2 года назад

It was.

@ThatMichaelTGuy 2 года назад

Yep, it was (:

@snurfbee58 2 года назад

I'll add another "it was". Really scary!

@Dembilaja 2 года назад

It's mind blowing seeing it today

@kalvin-klien1313 Год назад

Can we just appreciate how minimal the change is with the skeletons when it’s 8x smoother, that hard work really shows in this 60 years later!!!ray harryhausen was a legend

@Travybear1989 Год назад

I really can barely tell a difference.

@obliviousmode575 Год назад

I was going to say the same. The original is still impressive. The amount of detail in the movement you almost forget it’s stop motion.

@adamb89 Год назад

666th upvote. Hail Satan.

@PainInTheS Год назад

ALWAYS original over these socalled improvements. Just look at how the first 3 Star wars movies were 'improved'. 🤣🤣🤣

@mega6662 Год назад

I watched both the original and x8 and I thought I was still watching the original and they just reused a scene, it really shows how good it is

@sixstanger00 3 года назад

Look closely at the skeleton sword fight -- the sword swings are perfectly synced with the swings of the actors. What they accomplished in this one shot back in 1963 with no computers, CGI, roto-scoping, etc is mind blowing.

@glenchapman3899 2 года назад

In an interview Ray H explained that the actors and scene had already been filmed and he had to match the motion of the actors. In most films it was done in reverse because of the long lead time needed for the stop motion effects.

@sixstanger00 2 года назад

@@glenchapman3899 That's still how it's done today, even with CGI. Any kind of special effect, whether it be stop motion or CG, is done "in post." That is, post-filming of actors, scenery, etc. The main reason of course is that FX artists can use the footage for reference when setting up their own shots. It would be virtually impossible to shoot the effects first and then try to shoot an actor syncing to the effects, because neither party has anything to go on. My OP was referring to how, in a time when compositing tools consisted largely of, "OK how do we do this?," the FX shots were overlayed on the actor footage in perfect sync.

@glenchapman3899 2 года назад

@@sixstanger00 Though it was more common to not integrate the footage with stop motion. The times it was tried it usually looked all wrong. With exception of RH. Even Willis Obrien, who taught RH the trade preferred to back project the stop motion for that reason.

@ebenadams4212 8 месяцев назад

Ha. Interesting. Also, haven't seen this in forever and was surprised to feel that same terrified, nightmarish, almost sick feeling I got when I first saw this as a kid. Thanks for the memories!

@matthewaxe6647 Год назад

I think the jerkiness adds something of the uncanny valley to them. It makes them scarier and is more atmospheric. This film is so good

@tperk Год назад

Absolutely true

@homegrown6845 Год назад

Oh enough of this stupid god damn word. 'Atmosphere' this and atmoshit that, it's honestly grating. Come up with a different word for fucks sake.

@matternicuss Год назад

Jason and the Argonauts is a masterpiece. Along with Seventh Voyage of Sinbad and Clash of the Titans it’s one of Harryhausen’s best films.

@pandakicker1 Год назад

For me, it is the higher frame rate that makes them seem uncanny. That’s the case for me with all media with a higher frame rate that aren’t RU-vid videos of modern people talking about random stuff. I think my eyes are too used to the old frame rate.

@nickstevens4482 Год назад

I first saw Jason and the Argonaunts when I was 3. Was fascinated about ancient civilizations, legends, and history ever since. I'm 35 now.

@BaltimoreAndOhioRR 3 года назад

I remember watching this movie as a kid. A fantastic memory! ✔

@byzonho 3 года назад

Me too....

@cathystewart2268 3 года назад

I had nightmares as a child after seeing the statue scene.

@wildwinebert 3 года назад

i watch this in class highschool mid 90s

@fuzzblightyear145 3 года назад

Jason and the Argonauts, Clash of the Titans... Great stuff.

@endurance_pilot 3 года назад

I agree 👍☺️❤️

@lapinakawaii5010 3 года назад

My God, the special effects of this movie are incredible for being from '63

@Massivecarcrash 3 года назад

The soundtrack as well. The use of atonal effects is really effective. "Must have been the wind" Screeeeech BWWUAAA BWUAAAA nah fuck that.

@angelbasiliorodriguezbusto2065 3 года назад

Hola, Piña 😬👌

@ro32643 3 года назад

@@Massivecarcrash Don't forget the percussions with the skeletons

@DCL4793 2 года назад

Estás en todos los canales, piña

@awesome346 2 года назад

Jesus loves you!

@DjVanillaGuerilla 6 месяцев назад

Remember my grade 7 teacher showing us this movie. I thought it was so coolest thing. Then that Christmas The LoTR came out and it changed my life forever lol.

@bachelorchownowwithflavor3712 3 года назад

It is a testament to Harryhausen's genius that the higher frame rate really doesn't make the animation look any better.

@dhtango 3 года назад

true!! i take the original. i see very little difference.

@Aquascape_Dreaming 3 года назад

Exactly. The only slight improvements are the gargoyles and the skeletons when they are fighting, but it's minimal at best.

@richierottweiler923 3 года назад

I’m glad someone said it, because i was thinking that very thing myself. The only difference i could see, especially with the skeletons, was that their movements were faster with the higher frame rate. I’ve always liked liked Ray Harryhausen’s work, always

@lifesavid 3 года назад

Agree.

@RavenCloak13 3 года назад

Looks worse overall cause looks even more fake. Like bad 3D models overlaid because you can see where the green screened out the monsters and people more.

@Ra-zor 3 года назад

This is one of those rare time when I have to say the original actually looks and feels better...

@Yasviele 3 года назад

Except the flying ones

@machineman6498 3 года назад

@@Yasviele sort of. That brought another problem by making them look cgi and not well blended to the frame

@christianflores7583 3 года назад

The original has a natural jerkiness to the movement which makes sense with the statue and skeletons, the higher frame rate looks like its slowed down and stiffened, like a smooth action purposely made stiff. Where as the original its feels like the statue is naturallly creaky.

@elldawg999 3 года назад

The smoothed up version looks like I’m watching a news report of a school play. Older movies (and new ones) work so much better at the slower frame rates. Modern TV’s that adjust the rate like this for “better” sports viewing make most films unwatchable. I always turn the “smoothing / frame rate feature off” no film should look like a live news reel.

@broganirwin864 3 года назад

Agreed.

@JackSmith-qp9nh 3 года назад

I think the original animation should be kept for just the statue. It's made entirely out of metal with no actual moving parts like joints or hinges, the jerkiness makes sense for it.

@moviearchaeologist9655 2 года назад

Defo. I also think the jerkiness also conveys the sense of sheer weight.

@Icewind007 2 года назад

@@moviearchaeologist9655 I think the mass should lend to it being less jerky, due to conservation of momentum and all.

@bumblefritz Месяц назад

The juddery quality of stop-motion was always appealing to me. It adds an uncanny charm to it, The T-800 in the finale of the original Terminator is another great example.

@milanstragier6142 11 месяцев назад

For a movie from 1963, this is still unbelievably far ahead of its time and so well done

@c4lmchor 9 месяцев назад

unreal to think about. we can't even use a 10-15 year old device without getting frustrated. and they did all of thie shit in 1963!

@jeng3000 9 месяцев назад

That's what happens when people are allowed to create something to the highest quality and integrity capable. It's something all groups workin on endeavors need to understand. Your work will be diminished the minute you are forced to compromise a lot and make major concessions in your craft.

@chloesmith4065 9 месяцев назад

It's still one of the best stop motion sequences of all time

@yarpen26 8 месяцев назад

Even long after I forgot the name of the movie, I still had so much footage stuck in my head, particularly the skeletons and of course Gorgon who terrified the shot out of me. This movie is such a treat to 8-12 year old boys.

@kingexplosionmurder9436 7 месяцев назад

It’s not ahead of its time at all. In fact it’s within its time. Blade Runner, 2001, Avatar, Inception. Those films are ahead of their time, and pushed boundaries

@Del-Canada Год назад

Ray Harryhausen was a legend. He'd go off for months at a time and hide himself in a room to animate all of this stuff. The dedication is almost supernatural.

@danielwatkins2195 Год назад

They wanted them to do Jurassic Park

@NwaHp3 Год назад

and wouldn't even think about making a "how to" YT video for views and sponsorship...

@edmontonhermit1156 Год назад

He would even unplug his phone so he wouldn't be disturbed. Can't say as I blame him, some of these sequences are very complex and gotta be done right the first time.

@BushyHairedStranger Год назад

IT IS SUPERNATURAL!! He used Alchemy to bring the clay to LIFE!!! ……..the best!!!!!

@bluesburg 3 года назад

I'm 62 and recall being transfixed watching this as a kid. The way Talos leaned back after stepping off the pedestal added so much realism to his menace. One could feel the massive weight he supported through this simple action.

@eric988 3 года назад

The vast majority of people who make movies now-days don’t put this much love or care into production.

@FMK1317 3 года назад

I'm 26 now, remember watching this with my dad when I was maybe 6-7, and Jesus did Talos scare the living crap outta me 😅 The way he moved,the sound's his movement made..I still can't watch this movie without getting a shiver running up me spine when I see him. You can just tell the love and attention to detail that Harryhausen put into his movies.

@rosssandeman6883 7 месяцев назад

Wow. I often wondered why it is that old films I like seem very distant and peculiar. From the way they speak to the language they use, this just goes to show that when it looks more smoothly, they look more human

@douggraham5082 2 года назад

I think one thing this video overlooks is that the smoothing out of things takes away all of the charm of the original. For its time it was a fantastic effect. Stop motion was not new, but they did it so well. As a kid this blew me away, especially the skeletons.

@Paufit 2 года назад

.a while back I found on Ebay the (Holy Grail )Argosy magazine Mar. 1959 that had Ray Harryhausen article "Monsters Are My Business" I first saw that back then as my dad subscribed to it. I did 3D animation in my life ..retired now. Many as myself forever looked to find that old magazine...I lucked out !! Problem back in 1959...seeing how it was done..this 7 year old was crushed because it was not real... :-)

@hellomate2672 2 года назад

Jesus loves y’all! God bless y’all! God loves you and is your protector and healer. Praise be to Jesus!!! “God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble.” Psalm 46:1.

@Justusson 2 года назад

As said by Kyle P, I don’t think it’s a statement that it would be better being smoother. However, we might be wrong. Regardless I agree that it loses it’s charm and becomes something else - that I think the creators/animators didn’t intend for. They worked with this stop motion medium, being a bit choppy. So they used that in their rhythm, in favour for their work. They leaned on the scary part, whereas that gets lost in the smoothened version. That’s what many lacks to realise and acknowledge today: the respect of the creators! The know the tone they set, the heart in which they create these things. Nowadays everyone thinks they can do everything, because they have access to technology creating them. The result becomes superficial, whereas this? This original strikes in chords,.. 👍

@standardissuegoblin 2 года назад

Blows my mind how well done stop motion can still look "better",more interesting/ visually engaging, than alot of the cg we get today.

@frederickdefeo3768 2 года назад

It’s because the special effects in movies are overdone. When you need to rely on real models, you have an easier time staying in the story and convincing yourself that what your seeing is real. Even the dinosaurs in the original Jurassic Park movie, because they didn’t often fill the screen with digitized dinosaurs, the movie could trick your mind into thinking there was really a dinosaur there. When you load the screen up with too much digitization, your mind, whether it’s in story mode or not, starts to call BS.

@allmektig3604 2 года назад

@@frederickdefeo3768 I agree 100%

@julianfull280 2 года назад

@@frederickdefeo3768 exactly, thats why the original lotr trilogy looked way better since it was made 95% with real props, except for the balrog and gollum. The hobbit looked just unreal and bullshitty cgi, except maybe for smaug.

@kurtilingus 2 года назад

There's a fundamental concept in filmmaking & storytelling in general that took me forrrrever to properly appreciate which is also likely **beyond** antiquated to the status quo of film production sensibilities: LESS IS MORE!!! It's not some fix-all Golden Rule or something, but the fact that you reeeeeally have to keep your eyes peeled now for examples of films that make use of the inherent virtues that idea has in abundance which can easily be the difference between a goodgreatmasterpiece-level film/filmmaker....

@Laufield 2 года назад

I agree. Stop-motion and 120 fps looks real than cgi

@dRevnik 3 года назад

I think this is important to know: The jerkiness of the original animation is not caused by low framerate; after all the framerate of the animation is the same as of the live action footage. It is actually caused by lack of motion blurr - it's just series of photographs of static objects. So if you want the animation to appear smoother and more lifelike, what you need is to add a little bit of motion blurr, appropriate to te speed of depicted movements. This is, afaik, what they did way later in Ghostbusters, when they were able to actually move the animated objects a little bit during the time of exposure of each frame.

@j0anr0ch 3 года назад

ED-209 in RoboCop used some motion blur as well.

@EchoWinters 3 года назад

@@j0anr0ch That was the first time I ever noticed them trying to add motion blur to stop motion. Wasn't perfect, but still looked really good

@ing-alim-2 2 года назад

It sounds similar to the smears in 2D animation

@B1SCOOP 2 года назад

Alien³ was animated in Go-motion, but everyone confused it for shitty CGI.

@DerFinder 2 года назад

The animation is NOT the same framerate. Look at the shot in the boat and go frame by frame, you can see that they're different framerates. The reason it still looks like it does is because it interpolated between frames that look the same. So still every 2nd frame or whatever is mostly the same as the one before.

@BeverleyZarnowski-xl3my Месяц назад

My son and I have always loved this movie, especially the stop-motion actions of the skeletons, Talos, scorpions, etc. I wouldn't change it for the world! That was part of the magic of the movie!

@oneyedthing 3 года назад

If you make fantasy too real, I think, it loses the quality of a nightmare.. of a dream -Ray Harryhausen

@raychat2816 3 года назад

just what came to mind when I was watching, Ray was never going after make believe, but rather creating a fantasy

@PaulGuy 3 года назад

I'm convinced a lot of modern film makers are just repeating techniques they like, but don't understand why they like them or how/why the techniques work.

@Aquascape_Dreaming 3 года назад

I know that was a quote, but you just put into words the jumble of impressions and feelings I have inside me about ultra realistic imagery on screen. I could never arrange it into communicable terms. Thanks for sharing this quote.

@dusk1234567890 3 года назад

That’s just justifying crappy sfx.

@jamescpalmer 3 года назад

My god that is a perfect sentence to create suspension of disbelief.

@leokimvideo Год назад

If it moves too smoothly it's going to look naft. The original has a feeling of weight and size

@aeu569 Год назад

This is a valid point. Some scenes could be smoothed and slowed down, don't you think?

@karlkarlsson9126 Год назад

Stop-motion creates robotic movements (scarier) and adds as an effect, while the Smooth version looks like a normal person doing mo-cap.

@zach6372 Год назад

based leokimvideo. nice to still see you on youtube.

@andyknowles666 Год назад

100% this. they absolutely nailed the mass / heaviness with the original, making it super smooth loses that realism rather than adding to it.

@watamatafoyu Год назад

@@andyknowles666Making the whole picture smooth (generating entire frames) gives it that news broadcast look.

@emptee5941 3 года назад

I don’t know why, but by making it smoother, it almost makes it like one of those cheesy 3D animation attempts that fails to make it realistic.

@brianstone6463 3 года назад

It's a prime example of the Uncanny Valley.

@CrimsonRayne 3 года назад

As a whole we all got used to shitty 24 fps for "cinematic reasons of immersion" when the human eye is so much better.. even cheap walmart TVs are 120hz. Movie business is lazy

@tba113 3 года назад

Something about the harpies made me think of those old '90s-era FMV light-gun arcade games. I guess it's the same idea of them trying to get live actors to react to animated monsters they're planning to add in later. Whatever the reason, a bullet counter on the side of the screen and a score tally at the top would fit right in.

@scottdavidson526 3 месяца назад

One of my favorite movies. Great special effects for it's time.

@luchodelio687 3 года назад

00:01 when skyrim guards almost catch you sneaking

@Gruestep 3 года назад

underrated comment :')

@rozzer2872 3 года назад

Yeah I think that oblivion dialogue directly quotes that first scene.

@OChunks Месяц назад

What's Skyrin? Never heard of it.

@Somtaw420 Год назад

It's interesting how much the "smoothing" takes away from that sense of weight in the original. Goes to show how much effort and intention went into making those effects feel like they belonged in the world.

@danmadrid8227 Год назад

Agreed, the original is better.

@KucheKlizma Год назад

Yeah just smoothing something doesn't make it better. It would need extra keyframes to actually look good in 60fps.

@Kaaos_ Год назад

no it doesnt dawg 😭 bro js saying stuff

@Somtaw420 Год назад

@@Kaaos_ I mean, obviously it's subjective, but I stand by my original comment.

@SampleTheWorld Год назад

I think it really helps in some scenes like the skeletons fighting. The others make it really obvious how out of place the effects are, by taking the jarring stop motion out. You can tell how "cutout" the creatures are when it's so smooth like that and when the creatures have that very jittery movement its hard to focus on them. If you could play with the interpolation to make it less smooth during the really "cutout" moments it would look great. I still think the skeleton fighting scene looks MUCH better with this smoothing.

@elevenseven-yq4vu Год назад

Very interesting how the original versions feel somewhat heavier, more impressive, threatening, strong, dynamic, and even more natural!

@Jin-Hu Год назад

Even the live action feels better at 24fps, curious

@prancey227 Год назад

That's because motion smoothing technology is not creating frames as if it were shot at a higher framerate--it is artificially smoothing the lower framerate. Motion smoothing is hideous.

@elevenseven-yq4vu Год назад

@@prancey227 How does it do that if not by inserting transitional frames?

@teejay4034 11 месяцев назад

maybe on the statues, but as for the gorgoyles and skeletons it is much smoother (the feeling too).

@Alen725 11 месяцев назад

Nope, they feel worse.

@johncallaghan8696 9 месяцев назад

The Skeleton fight is still impressive. Christmas wouldn't be the same without Jason and the Argonauts.

@hideshisface1886 2 года назад

This smoothing effect always give me this uncanny feeling. There is something wrong in the way it smooths the frames - makes things too even, and gets lost on key frames.

@rsolsjo 2 года назад

Yeah it's interpolation, so it's trying to automatically create or "paint" in-between frames that don't exist. Guessing what would be there. That's why it'll often feel even worse than material natively made in 60fps, like video games.

@christopherstein2024 2 года назад

It's just that just are not used to see it. Especially if you were shown the original right before it will feel out of place.

@hideshisface1886 2 года назад

@@christopherstein2024 Not at all. Look at the fragments Akira or Little Mermaid which were animated in 60fps and they lack this uncanny feel. Look at most modern video games where at least 60fps is standard. That is the issue with frame interpolation being applied across the board - it kills the momentum, evens the tempo of animation even in places where it is not needed, because it is incapable of distinguishing between key frames.

@WildWombats 2 года назад

I haven't seen the original, and I thought the animation for the statues was a massive improvement. I know others are complimenting the charm of the jerkiness, but for me, without having the context of the full movie, it just seemed as a downside that was improved upon by the smooth FPS. Perhaps I'd appreciate it more having seen the movie, but I speak as somebody who hasn't seen this film. Is it 100% Perfect? No, but I view it less janky and jerky than the original.

@francisbaxter4663 2 года назад

I noticed it on the flying creatures, I don’t know much about the technology used but it looked like they cgi them. Something was just wrong about the way it looked.

@elkofdeath 3 года назад

The old one looks more like it’s breaking the laws of space and time to come after you, and therefore more scary.

@TinTeddyVideos 3 года назад

Agreed, the "jerkiness" was part off the character. It added to the magic.

@Argol228 3 года назад

@@TinTeddyVideos I find it is quite the opposite. Give me CG any day

@cleveland2020 3 года назад

Yes!

@MSTL144 3 года назад

CG isn't real, these Harryhausen originals were actual real solid things. The difference is lost on these modern days. I'll keep the handcraft, personally.

@Deathcardcodwaw 3 года назад

@@MSTL144 real doesn't mean better. Just keep that in mind? Sure everyone may want practical effects but if it looks terrible or low budget than what's the point? Time and effort wasted with no pay off. Same goes for cg

@TheChocolateNick Год назад

It’s amazing how they were able to do this all before CGI. There’s something really special about stop motion

@bickflick Год назад

Though even old CGI has its charm, seeing the brilliance and ingenuity that has to go into the tricks used to pull off what they did back in the day. LOTR developer diaries is certainly an interesting watch in that subject.

@PutItAway101 Год назад

The fact that someone stood there and put heart and soul into manually moving the figures in a way that felt right to their eye for every single frame is whole different thing to scripting some movements in a piece of software and wandering off for a frappucino while it renders.

@mkuti-childress3625 Год назад

It was _amazing_ special effects for that time! I watched this when I was about five and was so terrified by the skeletons fighting, especially, that I remember it clearly today. I haven’t seen it since, so I’ll have to watch it with my husband now, fifty years later, to see how it compares to my memory!

@dieterrosswag933 Год назад

The low frames make it look more scary, somehow

@xxx-pliskin-sniper-xxx8538 Год назад

@@PutItAway101 Animations on software can also be hand moved to each individual frame. That’s not with motion capture or scripting.

@ASIGuitarGod 21 день назад

This is why watching sci-fi/fantasy movies at 120 Hz feels like live action role playing lol.

@keithvincent3993 3 года назад

That moment when Talos turns his head to look at Hercules is one of cinemas great sphincter-loosening moments at any frame rate.

@Piledriver2006 3 года назад

Indeed it is. It terrified me as ask kid and it didn't change to much viewing it now

@bluerisk 2 года назад

Almost 60 years and the visual look is still pleasing.

@doguezter7047 Год назад

1:46 is the best part, this part is so good the smoother version that's supposed to be 8x smoother isn't that more smooth

@RealHorsen Год назад

Pleasing? By todays standards it's a borderline parody

@richmoves 3 года назад

I have produced a couple of TV commercials that have included stop-motion animation. It took us a week to get 7 seconds of film. So it never fails when I see this Harryhausen masterpiece I am in total awe. I bow down to the master of the technique! 🎬🧡

@brentgarlick9605 3 года назад

This and the original Clash of the Titans are two if my all time favorite films. Love Ray Harryhousen movies.

@brinsonharris9816 3 года назад

Old school stop motion is not for the faint hearted. The creators of South Park found that out as they made the first pilot ep from construction paper.

@rsngfrce 7 месяцев назад

Stop motion is a true art form that computer graphics will never be able to duplicate. See Mad God!

@koyaanisqatsi78 3 года назад

My eyes can't get used to this it makes all the rest look like a wedding video

@iankelly7722 3 года назад

Soap opera effect

@koyaanisqatsi78 3 года назад

@@iankelly7722 Ah yes it will be that, too smooth or too much frames.. 24 frames per second is enough to convince us, if you move your hand or arm fast it becomes a blur anyway irl so seeing those movements well defined is also weird. The movement of the animation is improved but the humans now seem unnatural to me :)

@bleepbloop101010101 3 года назад

@@koyaanisqatsi78 It does look unnatural. I don't know if it's the same for most people but my normal vision seems closer to movie fps than soap opera. I can see the extra frames when they're on a screen for sure but... maybe it's the extra information my brain's handling when dealing with IRL 3D stuff and motion but the real world looks like 20-30's fps.

@prltqdf9 3 года назад

Once your eyes get used to smoother, at least 60fps playback, it's very hard to watch 24fps content. That's what happened to me.

@koyaanisqatsi78 3 года назад

@@prltqdf9 ah yes this is what I was wondering is it just because we're used to it.. but I already had it with 30fps, or anything video, it doesn't feel cinematic. Some modern 4k 60fps look just totally unreal to me, movements are too defined, it's almost like slow motion, the physics are off, I mean there's definitely more info as you can see even microexpressions better but there's too much info everything looks like a set even camera movement seems weird. and IRL something fast is also a quick blur, now you get to see some steps inbetween... If it's in a natural setting it gets indeed a soap opera or home wedding video vibe, if it's heavy CGI laden it gets a video game vibe, but neither of those are relaxing to watch.

@imqqmi 3 года назад

The main thing that's missing in the animation is motion blur more than frames. Making it smooth and razor sharp just makes it stand out even more.

@atomicskull6405 3 года назад

Should try downsampling the 8x version back to 24FPS with interframe blur to simulate motion blur.

@tgs1766 3 года назад

Which is why Tippet pioneered Go-Motion.

@reptomicus 3 года назад

@@tgs1766 Go-motion had it's own problems. Works best with linear movements. Looks jerky with movements that had compound curves.

@johnkeck 3 года назад

Ah, that explains why the smoothed figures "stick out", or visually "pop"!

@Becka_Harper 3 года назад

@@johnkeck especially the harpies, they were too smooth and ended up looking like cheap CGI to me.

@bgpapa4178 10 месяцев назад

the jerky stop motion is a huge part of the charm and depth of the characters. they are all much more menacing in the original, especially the bronze giant and skeletons. they just felt other-worldly and trigger the uncanny valley enough to make you uneasy just looking at them. and all these years later, this still holds up incredibly well. it gives me just the same feeling now at 35 as it did when i was 6. i love it

@HappyBeezerStudios 9 месяцев назад

Yeah, the reference points for the interpolation are still jerky stop-motion references, so the interpolated animation feels a bit off. But it works really well for the skeleton fight.

@CatholicIrish 8 месяцев назад

Came to say this!!

@locinolacolino1302 8 месяцев назад

@@HappyBeezerStudios Yeah, the effectiveness of the interpolation is really a testament to the quality of the original animation, looks far better than the attempts making anime and cartoons smoother.

@damsen978 7 месяцев назад

I guess it's up to preference because i'd rather pick the smoothed ones. It just looks better imo

@scumbaggo 6 месяцев назад

As someone who just watched for the first time at 30 years old- just know you're not blinded by nostalgia, it totally holds up even to someone with an outside perspective.

@The_Hirohiko_Araki 5 месяцев назад

No wonder why people in 1963 were amazed from this movie. It’s amazing and it fits the story too well.

@athebeau8776 3 года назад

The smoother ones fall too much into “uncanny valley” territory

@redskullz1249 3 года назад

I was thinking the same thing.

@familycorvette 3 года назад

I think it's a fricking disaster. Motion-smoothing Harryhausen is as stupid as colorizing a classic B&W Hollywood movie.

@Dranok1 3 года назад

Smoothing the Colossus worked nicely, it adds to the sense if size and mass, but the others didn't seem to help a great deal, and the harpies suddenly looked like they were CGI on a separate plate floating above the action. Terrible! Even the skeletons looked slightly less "real" after treatment, their background fringing and colouration not quite matching the film frame. :-(

@nvision 3 года назад

Additionally when the smoothing overlaps camera movement instead of just the animation. The natural tracking of the camera designed to accentuate action and energy is lost.

@DanielHBuchmann 3 года назад

I thought uncanny valley had to do with cgi and humans. Doesn't really work the same with statues and Harpy's does it?

@harrylane4 3 года назад

Ok but it's wild how good ray harryhousens animation was to begin with

@ianarmstrong1636 3 года назад

Agreed the best never to be forgotten

@bobh.6108 3 года назад

It's because he was an artist, with the eye to see how things could be, should be and would be, and then made it happen. He was supposed to be bastard to work for in his exactness, but when it was all finished everyone felt the joy and pride of doing something that has held up to this day.

@eyellgeteven9928 3 года назад

He was the absolute master.

@bobh.6108 3 года назад

@@eyellgeteven9928 Anyone who wanted to be a animation master, studied his movies. Like that is some punishment, "Thank you sir, may I have another movie.".

@eyellgeteven9928 3 года назад

@@bobh.6108 Haha, no doubt.

@juliusalimari 3 года назад

When i was a kid, in the early 2000s, the stop motion monsters were kinda more scary than normally. I believe its because stop motion like this was not so common.

@hammersandnails1458 3 года назад

@PewDie-Ton EX That's called the "uncanny valley".

@leod-sigefast 3 года назад

@@hammersandnails1458 Yeah, didn't VSauce do a really good video about that effect on the human perception?

@Pyrela 8 месяцев назад

The origin of, "Must have been the wind."

@pw6002 2 года назад

The stuttering animation makes it look more real and more outworldly at the same time. I know it’s a paradox but that’s how I feel it !

@roddmatsui3554 Год назад

It’s called strobing.

@dieterrosswag933 Год назад

It gives a horror vibe while the smoother one a more friendly impression/more sane character. Maybe the last one works better for children programs/friendly scenes

@robertbeebe849 Год назад

I agree. I really liked the strobing as a kid, before I had the vocabulary to describe what I was seeing. It's "unreal" as opposed to "less real".

@pw6002 Год назад

@@roddmatsui3554 Thank you for the precision (english is not my first language 😅) !

@darassylmoniakam Год назад

easy to say with nostalgia glasses

@tunnelsnakesrule7541 2 года назад

Choppy slow motion isn’t always bad, sometime it helps make something feel eerie and inhuman. (Evil dead and evil dead 2 are main examples)

@CrazyGuysDoubleTapGaming 2 года назад

Shop Smart.. Shop S MART. YOU GOT THAT!

@joaocardoletto 3 года назад

The sword moves of the skeletons fighting are more energetic and convincing than the actor's performance.

@kingneutron1 3 года назад

That was because the actors were fighting "nothing" not even a placeholder or stand-in actor - the effects were added in later.

@LEFT4BASS 3 года назад

Someone should have reminded the actors shields are supposed to go in front.

@Leispada 3 года назад

lol! I was actually amazed they made it look as good as it is

@Klikoderat 3 года назад

These movies are like 2 weeks of filming, 2 years of one guy in his studio animating all the creatures frame by frame. Imagine wat Harryhousen could have done with a huge budget!

@ginogatash4030 2 года назад

@@Klikoderat well he did work with apretty big budget, it's just that he was pushing 60's technological film making limits.

@Rat_King_Reviews 7 месяцев назад

I remember as a child being obsessed with the skeletons at the end and wanting them as action figures 😂

@huruduru5144 Год назад

I like the Stop-Motion effect it somehow makes the monsters more creepy/scary.

@BooBooKing Год назад

Same here. These effects are yet better for the living dead

@carlosaguilar7418 Год назад

dude they still make me tremble with fear

@ritparent7239 Год назад

I prefer the "jerkiness" of the original. It reinforces the fact that these objects are not "alive", but merely animated, like a marionette. In the movie, the Talas statue does not become a living being, but a magically animated supernatural object.

@animalnt Год назад

@@ritparent7239oath, plus the jaggering and juttering make them quick and unpredictable- which is terrifying

@MrScottx 3 года назад

Original is much better. It gives the super natural characters a sense that they are not part of a regular world. It fits the mood!

@heldreiter2299 3 года назад

When I saw this in original release as a child I thought just that,👍

@hotpopcorncake 3 года назад

Na the smoother version looks better

@thomasohare8552 3 года назад

I prefer the old one, but the smoother one manages to keep it quite jerky so I think if you remade it you could convince a younger audience to watch it still, but not lose too much of the jerkiness

@hotpopcorncake 3 года назад

The old looks choppy as hell bunch of boomer

@jayson7627 3 года назад

@@hotpopcorncake 🙄

@darthmuadib7237 2 года назад

You can't improve on the perfection of Ray Harryhausen. His work is timeless. The fight scene with the skeletons is still regarded as some of the best stop motion in any movie.

@Liquidglitch 2 года назад

Absolutely! The difference is almost imperceptible. Let sleeping dogs lie. Or rather, let reanimated skellys look how they were meant to, at the time.

@Cypherwraith001 2 года назад

It's becoming a lost art, and Harryhausen was the best

@trevorflarty1811 2 года назад

100%,agree.No negotiation!

@ThomeTeque 2 года назад

Bullshit. I'd like to see it at 288 fps and it would look also great.

@patrickcain2085 2 года назад

Ray Harry Hausen was and still is a genius for his time. When they would show his movies when I was growing up it was my favorite form of cinema.

@keatonwastaken Месяц назад

I like how the smooth version still keeps the unique clunkiness of the statue, really cool.

@planetbrooklynsupreme 3 года назад

It's crazy how the smoother animation doesn't look better than the original

@eyellgeteven9928 3 года назад

You can't beat Dynamation.

@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 3 года назад

It's pretty subtle

@spencerphilippinedream3706 3 года назад

yeah, so the question was "what if it had smoother stop motion?" well, it would have taken 8x longer and cost 8x more for a slight improvement.

@Dr3amtime 3 года назад

My Dad was a cinematography prof for a while, and he loved Harryhausen. He took me to see Jason sometime in the early 70's, and at one point he set up a primitive stop motion animation studio for my sister and I to use. Also taught us ho to edit / splice film.

@ThatOpalGuy 3 года назад

Ray was the best.

@alejandrootero8894 3 года назад

nice

@G4m3G3ni3 3 года назад

Is your Father still alive? I always wondered what the creator of such special effects opinion of AI/Neural Network enhanced Framerates would be. Do they approve? If they had the tools back then, would they have done a better job? And if possible some kind of Frame by Frame analysis describing the original fottage and its errors/limitations and what the enhanced version fixed/made worse. I would appreciate anyones input ofc!

@HipposHateWater 3 года назад

@@G4m3G3ni3 Inserting my personal opinion as someone in the industry today (for what it's worth), I imagine they would've absolutely loved it if it was indeed available to them. They were basically just people trying to get by with the tools and techniques they had on hand at the time. (That said, I would love to hear their own insights and perspectives on it.)

@michaelhall2709 3 года назад

I loved my dad, who of course was the best dad ever. That said, your old man sounds awesome.

@patinho5589 3 года назад

I liked the skeletons being jerky. I always imagined them to be animated by magic that way. Rather than a living life form moving fluidly.

@santi_super_stunts2573 3 года назад

Totally agree. They cant move like a normal human if they are missing litteraly everything that makes them human so magic moves them in a way that is in-human

@creebow2625 3 года назад

No mussels, no organs, they would probably have a jerky movement like they were being pushed by some magical force.

@macabweu7682 3 года назад

A lot like the Doom Revenants that move and jerk around cause they're basically just animated Skeletons.

@gloomioozi 9 месяцев назад

I think Ray Harryhausen would agree, the jerkiness of large objects definitely gave it mass thus making it more scary, also the jerkiness worked better with the skitterish of the skeletons, but everything else looks like a huge improvement. RIP Harryhausen you were a movie wizard.

@lincarrey 3 года назад

Can you imagine moving the doll a thousand times to create a 10 second scene?! These guys were gods!

@DenerWitt 3 года назад

yes, thats how stopmotion works

@zacharyrollick6169 3 года назад

*All hail Robot Chicken!*

@joescott1526 3 года назад

I hear you. Lots of tedious effort to make these movies happen.

@alexandrebeaudry8377 3 года назад

@@zacharyrollick6169 Exactly my thought

@alexandrebeaudry8377 3 года назад

10 seconds that we still watch 50 years later. And it's actually better than some CGI now.

@Rog5446 3 года назад

TRIVIA: The man being menaced by the flying Harpies was Patrick Troughton (Doctor Who)

@KRAFTWERK2K6 3 года назад

Ah yes the second Doctor. He was in good company as the fourth Doctor was also in a Ray Harryhausen movie "the golden voyage of Sinbad" from 1973 :)

@GravesLilDarkAngel 3 года назад

@@KRAFTWERK2K6 I absolutely adore The Golden Voyage of Sinbad, it was one of my favorite movies as a child. My father had recorded it on VHS off AMC back when AMC did movies more then series. I think I wore out that VHS. Lol

@KRAFTWERK2K6 3 года назад

@@GravesLilDarkAngel Same here :D My parents had a VHS of it and even the cover artwork already had something magical about it. As well as the screenshots on the backside. That film has such an incredibly dense atmosphere and really is one of the strongest Ray Harryhausen movies. It seems the responsible folks behind Dr. Who thought so to which is why they hired Tom Baker after seeing that film.

@jao.3815 3 года назад

Doctor who?

@aniMeaganstream 3 года назад

That’s a fun fact, not trivia

@zombiesalmon4997 3 года назад

These terrified me as a kid but i was so damn fascinated by stop motion at the time that I couldn’t look away. Thanks for reviving that experience.

@ChaoticHoly 8 месяцев назад

The jerky stop-motion works as it gives a sense of unnaturalness to the monsters. Once they're made smoother the mind sees them as vastly less-threatening cartoons.

@Philtration 3 года назад

The jerky motion actually makes it look more frightening. More like a nightmare.

@seanbarker9272 3 года назад

I agree

@mrv1271 3 года назад

Very true

@countersphere2924 3 года назад

Totally agreed

@offsetcircle1903 3 года назад

It also seems to add a bit more weight to it

@pentelegomenon1175 3 года назад

It also helps the brain to separate the movie from reality, so you can get immersed more easily, it doesn't look like an actor on a set play fighting with a plastic toy.

@arcticwind1368 3 года назад

For a movie made 58 years ago ,the effects are awesome

@martinzwaan2721 3 года назад

58 (.ish). either that or I'm younger than I thought I was.

@melaniesmith1313 3 года назад

It came out in 1963.

@AA-db9cb 3 года назад

Honestly looks better than most CG crap today

@arcticwind1368 3 года назад

@@martinzwaan2721 yes you are correct

@juansorbetes3301 3 года назад

@@AA-db9cb uhm, no. Lmao

@roninwaveman 2 года назад

Man I really miss movies like this. They had such an epic feel to them.

@fighthighlights2201 2 года назад

Why do you miss them? Can't you just watch them any time?

@roninwaveman 2 года назад

@@fighthighlights2201 Sure if you can find them. For me though movies nowadays just don't have the same quality to them.

@sjwarialaw8155 Год назад

@@fighthighlights2201 I think that what he means is that there should be more of them.

@justinkashtock333 Год назад

Dune 2021 had some of that epic feel to it, though movie making has changed to more close-ups and less long hold wide angle shots like the older epics like Ben Hur, Zulu, or Jason and the Argonauts. Back then, they'd stay on those shots of large groups of people doing exciting things for a long time, which makes the scope seem much larger in scale, but nowadays it's a quick wide angle to set the scene then straight in to quick edit close-ups of the overpaid actors - the studios want to get their money's worth by using the actors in as many close and detailed shots as they can.

@sjwarialaw8155 Год назад

@@justinkashtock333 That was a very good acessment of what's happening.

@JustSomeRandomIdiot 7 месяцев назад

The problem with these automatic methods of interpolation is that an algorithm doesn't know what the 'intent' was of the animators. Movements are simply linearly interpolated from one frame to the next, and while that works for anything moving at a constant speed and constant direction, it results in all kind of weirdness for anything else. It won't for example, hold frames that the animator wanted held, it will make movement that was MEANT to look sudden and jerky look smoother. And if you watch it frame by frame, there's lots of interpolated frames where legs/arms briefly disappear in the interpolated frames.

@flowerthencrranger3854 3 года назад

“Must have been the wind” Me: HE SAID THE THING, HE SAID THE THING

@bandzsadventures1865 3 года назад

@Mr. Miyagi You ok buddy?

@Michael_______ 3 года назад

@@bandzsadventures1865 ♥️

@Peron1-MC 3 года назад

same XD. i wonder if this is where bethesda got the line from. from this classic(i havent seen)

@SharpDesign 3 года назад

@Mr. Miyagi ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BizxD_QaCNA.html

@fuzzydunlop7928 3 года назад

@Mr. Miyagi You probably didn’t even get the fucking joke. What a waste of a comment.

@amar.mohamed 3 года назад

Bloody hell...the stop motion would be impressive even by today's standards...

@d2factotum 3 года назад

Ray Harryhausen was a genius, no two ways about it.

@blacksmithbeatz 3 года назад

heck yeah it would

@gbrown2984 3 года назад

I just watched, king kong 1976. That movie would rock if they replace that man in the ape suit with an animated Kong add a few dinos. Ha ha.. just musing.

@OroborusFMA 3 года назад

The fight with the skeletons alone took six months to complete.

@TheInflicted 3 года назад

For it to look truly modern you would need to change camera angles 3 times a second.

@mandolinic Год назад

Watching on the big screen, the controlled jerkiness of Harryhausen's animations made them seem truly fantastical and really scary. It's an integral part of the experience and smoothing it away actually spoils the effect.

@Sir_Adam Год назад

Its just an experiment, he isn't saying its better.

@Sir_Adam Год назад

Its just an example, he isn't saying its better.

@mandolinic Год назад

@@Sir_Adam Fair comment.

@ScratchcardsWithScotty Год назад

Agreed my friend 🫡 New isn’t always better 😊

@rfjohns4452 Год назад

I fully agree their largeness & off movements add to film.

@mcstrangelove 8 месяцев назад

I saw this as a kid and it really freaked me out, even more than the scene with the skeleton army. Interesting comparison though!

@michaelirizzz121 3 года назад

For some reason the originals make the monsters “pop” a little more on screen in a cool and almost disturbing way. I kind of like it more haha.

@piobu5357 3 года назад

yeah, they look like toys when you speed them up, and compositing, and the way they move still looks unnatural enough, that it doesn't solve anything.

@triforceofcourage100 3 года назад

@@piobu5357 The increased frames actually make them look silly

@jonnyyen7169 3 года назад

Cool, I'm not crazy! I thought it looked worse too. Somehow smoothing made it look less real instead of more. However, could a smoother modern stop motion attempt with more detailed models, better lighting, and minimal vfx for icing work?. Unfortunately cost is probably going to prohibitive.

@piobu5357 3 года назад

@@jonnyyen7169 the movement looks kinda robotic when you fill the missing frames in, especially on the statue, so it could be improved, if it was made with a higher fps in mind from the start. They did a surprisingly good job with the lighting on the dolls/models considering it's an old movie, but still some compositing here looks visibly fake, cause the colors are more washed out/brighter on the background or foreground. This is because they used rear projection here, so yeah, it could be improved by using a more modern green screening solution. Just look at the little guy in Tool's Parabola from around 2002 - he moves rather smoothly, and he blends with the background well (though in this particular case the model could've been shot on set, and there's clearly some CG used in the video).

@jonnyyen7169 3 года назад

@@piobu5357 well, maybe some young filmmakers who are sick of overblown modern CGI will try to bring it back with modern technology. I've noticed that whenever a young movie reactor sees good stop motion they usually like it.

@ThyDungeonman2 3 года назад

I don't know, guys- the higher frame rate to me makes the animation appear sped-up and weird, where the original 24 frames slows it down and makes it feel, strangely, more natural- and I think that shows when it does get the extra frames because Haryhausen's work is still phenomenal no matter how you do it.

@SchardtCinematic 3 года назад

I agree with you. The original 24fps looks better. I thought the same thing.

@SidNightWalker 3 года назад

The stop motion they did really was just that damn well done. It's amazing how well it holds up.

@atanvardo5730 3 года назад

The higher frame rate appeared better and more natural to me, specially when the figures movements are slower (like when Talos moves his head to look down on Hercules), although it didn't actually improve much on the effect. Anyway, I watched that movie when I was a teenager and its amazing to see how the figure designs holds up. Same for the animation, even though it definitely doesn't look natural for today's standards.

@davejanes8091 3 года назад

Actually, to me it looked like some of the faster frames looked like CGI.

@rickg8015 3 года назад

The faster frame rate gave it a more Soap Opera Effect, looks like it was shot on video.. The jaggy motion of 24fps gives it its menacing charm..

@smirky101 3 года назад

When i was a kid this was one of the first movies that had the effects to really electrify my imagination, i was intrigued to see what the smoothness would look like on the animation, and i can honestly say, the original has an otherworldly quality that i like better. The bones of the skeletons look like they're moving individually with minds of their own. very creepy.

@bman4503 8 месяцев назад

A perfect illustration how advanced technology does not equal better artistry. A shame this simple concept seems to be lost on so many modern film productions.

@randyfitch7911 Год назад

I think the stop motion for the bronze statue and the skeletons work very well and gives them a creepiness that we wouldn't normally feel if they flowed smoothly. These things aren't supposed to be alive. But it works for the scene where the harpies are attacking because they are alive and smooth movement looks natural. By the way, the first time a child watches the statue turn its head to look at the human, the child almost always gives a little jump.

@dregant Год назад

Because face of this statue is fkin terrifying!😅

@dmgroberts5471 Год назад

Well, it scared the hell out of me at six years old. Hercules: "Huh, it must have been the wind..." Talos: (Creak) "Is that so?"

@CarmenFiala Год назад

i actually disagree. the harpy scene smoothed out makes them look even more fake, taking away from the scene

@Vindsvelle Год назад

Exactly; it recalls the reason that humans find arachnid and other arthropods' movements so uncanny and grotesque: their movement is literally _hydraulic_ rather than musculoskeletal. Harryhausen's animations often have that quality, which lends itself tremendously to the effectiveness of the scenes.

@BOBINDUN Год назад

My papa showed me this when I was very little, we rented it from Hollywood video. It was awesome even though I don't remember much lol

@Grizzlox 3 года назад

Can we take a moment to respect the hard work that went in to these old special effects? Can you imagine seeing it in the theater and watching a GIANT STATUE come to life? Must have been amazing.

@kirnpu 3 года назад

Oh it was! Talos stayed in my brain for a LONG time after seeing it as a kid in the theater. I can still always call up the screech of metal in my mind when I think of the scene. Brilliantly done. His ankle leaking and him falling over was burned into my brain.

@mimi1568 3 года назад

Terrifying. For my five year old self it was utterly terrifying. I screamed in the theater and then had nightmares for weeks after. So, I guess that means the special effects were quite effective and my folks were idiots.

@Liberty-or-Death-1776 3 года назад

Still is. Practical effects and physical objects look better than CGI to me, and I'm not knocking the talent required to make good CGI. I just prefer practical effects.

@luishernandez5732 3 года назад

It was amazing indeed!; I was 9 years old when my father left me ALONE at the cinema while he was at the pool salon and bar with his friends; it was in 73, at a small-town theater where they exhibited double features of older movies or new b movies, many times one of them was a kung fu and the other a Hollywood produced one; that night I had to sleep with my older sister because that damn statue scared the soul out of my body! lolol. I watched, as a child, alone, movies like Dog Day Afternoon, Westworld, Planet of the Apes, The Crimson Pirate, with Burt Lancaster (one of my favorite movies ever, I have it in DVD!), Seven Samurai, The Way of the Dragon, Fist of Fury and many more. You can NOT leave a child one minute alone these days...those were the times!!!

@kirnpu 3 года назад

@@luishernandez5732 Indeed they were! All those terrific Saturday matinee movies!

@abdullahalbraiky5956 3 года назад

I wish movies these days are made like this instead of every time there's a giant in the movie the camera is so pressed up against them that most of the time you spend trying to know what you're looking at and we only get to see the monster fully in 1 or 2 short scenes

@br2485 3 года назад

Also having the monster in dark lighting all the time so the animation isn't as expensive. It's not mysterious, we know it's because you're making it cheaper 🙄

@abdullahalbraiky5956 3 года назад

@@br2485 yesss!! Exactly how I feel, I honestly used to love any movie or show that has monsters or new creatures but I gradually lost interest in the genre since at least in other genres I can see the characters.