Have it show when people send super thanks. I didn’t even know they existed until now. If people can’t throw a super thanks….well, that’s as brazen as treason.
As to why Rhaegar never wrote to Robert or Ned: The war wasn't actually about Rhaegar. To Rhaegar, the war was against his dad, and Rhaegar was being forced to lead an army because his Dad held his wife and kids hostage. There is no reason to think if you're Rhaegar that admitting Lyanna is fine would change anything. To Robert the war was about Lyanna, but to Jon Arryn and Ned it was about overthrowing Aerys. It was always about Aerys, Robert just convinced himself otherwise
exactly. its actually a very compelling theory that Rhaegar wanted to overthrow his father once the war was over but never got the chance to. He even tells Jamie “there will be changes when i get back” right before he leaves for the trident
Exactly this. The Lords of the rebellion (Jon Arryn especially) were putting out feelers and making small moves for quite a while before the rebellion actually began and a lot of people believe that the initial plan was just to make sure the crown passed to Rhaegar sooner rather than later. The fostering of Ned and Robert was most likely done as a tacit show of alliance between the three main houses of the Rebellion, as it gave all three a socially acceptable reason to take up arms if any one was attacked - if House Arryn is attacked, then the Heirs to the North and the Stormlands are also under threat, letting both react as if it's an attack on them without making a formal alliance against the crown. Meanwhile, if House Stark or Baratheon is attacked, it would only be natural for their heir to join the fight/avenge the loss, and equally unsurprising if their surrogate father and brother decided to march with them. The big change was Aerys executing Neds father, which forced them to move faster and then demanding Robert's head which forced them to act then or allow the entire thing to crumble. Considering the optics of how Rhaegar was behaving as a Prince ('kidnapping' a prominent Noble Lady, alienating Dorne etc) having him as the new King was also suddenly far less appealing and other plans were made. Robert rebelled because someone took his idealised obsession he'd been promised he could have away, everyone else rebelled because the Mad King was burning people alive for the fun of it. If this had simply been a case of Rhaegar abducting Lyanna during an otherwise peaceful, prosperous and just reign by his father, even if Robert still rebelled over it half of the kingdoms wouldn't have marched behind him. It's most likely that Rhaegar would be slapped on the wrist, and the Starks and Baratheons would have been paid 'compensation' for the loss of their daughter and bride's virtue respectively. The Crown offering both a generous amount of land, gold or short term concessions and a higher status match for both Lyanna and Robert would probably have been seen as more than fair compared to a Princes indiscretion because, disgusting as that attitude is by today's standards, Lyanna in this society is essentially seen as property that Rhaegar damaged in a way which ruined it's value. And if word got out that it was consensual? In that case, Lyanna would just be seen as a bad daughter who shamed her house and ruined her prospects by taking up with a married man and it would be House Stark forced to compensate Robert and possibly even Rhaegar.
@@aecides3203 In the past, it was nothing to sniff at- marrying a prince/ king's mistress/ former mistress ('royal cast-off', as one novel described them) - as you say, it's not a great attitude- _but_ behavioural standards were different; a marriage to a royal mistress could come with some benefits- a larger dowry for the 'damaged goods' (ugh) as compensation, being the adoptive parent of a royal bastard, position at Court, appointments, &/ or titles, & income -- when marriage was seen as the goal, & it was really the only true avenue for independence from one's family- making a marriage of convenience would be necessary, after such an indiscretion - an unattached woman was seen as kind of dangerous. Again, it's a bizarre set of attitudes- but there's a commonality of form to the matter, so it happened fairly often...
Serial rapist, drunkard, abuses his wife, neglects his kids, serial adulterer, sleeps with girls possibly as young as 13, rewarded Gregor, Lorch, and Tywin for raping Elia and killing a toddler and a baby... I could go on here
Isn't Dany the reincarnation of Azor Ahai and they got the prophecy wrong because of a translation mistake? Part of the Azor Ahai prophecy was, that the reincarnation creates a three headed dragon. And Dany is able to resurrect the eggs with the ritual and hatch them. She thinks about who the other heads of the dragons are supposed to be (meaning their riders) and currently all signs point towards young Griff and John because they seem to be the last remaining people with a larger percentage of Valyrian blood in them. Since the dragons and riders were created via blood magic, it would make totally sense since she sacrificed the Maegi, her unborn child and Khal Drogo.
I love delusional Booby B fans 😂 it was a close enough duel that the Twinkaryen Prince dealt him such a grievous wound he was unable to fight for the rest of the war. In fact wasn't it said that the fight was even until Rhaegar lost his footing?
@vigokarnebeek9856 he lost like twice tho. Robert was left too wounded to fight like 3 separate times during the rebellion and was a few inches away from losing to Rhaegar
To be fair, Rhaegar almost did best Robert in combat…he wounded him so badly he couldn’t march to Kings Landing and had to send Ned, he took him out of the battle. Rhaegar was trained by Ser Arthur Dayne and Barristan Selmy, it isn’t out of the question that he could’ve killed Robert in single combat had the tide shifted that day. Honestly a part of me feels like there may have been some foul play on the Trident anyways, we don’t have a pov chapter of that fight. In the madness of battle, someone could’ve easily shanked or hit Rhaegar from behind, leading to Robert’s victory.
Wounding someone badly does not a win make, and whilst Rhaegar trained with the best, it’s clear he was never a born fighter like Robert. It’s also likely that politics played a part in Robert staying behind- it’d be a damn shame if the new king drops dead of an infected wound so soon after winning his grand victory. With this said, let’s not forget that their battle began on horseback where Rhaegar had the edge. I think he could win ahorse, but once Robert gets him on foot 1v1 Rhaegar is dead meat. Nor do I think Robert would let anyone interfere. He wants Rhaegar one on one. He got it.
True, but i think there were too many witnesses (soldiers both loyalist and rebel) for anything other than the 'truth' to fly. If there was some foul play I'm sure we would've heard some dissenting whispers by now.
@@rakshithanand8262Yes, wounding does not mean you win. But it shows that Rhaegar was a capable enough fighter to potentially get a killing blow on Robert. If Robert makes one bad move Rhaegar could kill him, it just so happens Robert didn't make that bad move after being wounded.
@@rakshithanand8262I thought the story was that the fight was fairly even until Rhaegar lost his footing in the ford and fell? Which is how Robert caved his chest in.
@@OurHiltsHurt Bonus points if Dany STILL has a premature stillbirth. Like she's got a long family history of that AND she's damn inbred I don't think she can carry a healthy baby to full term anyway. I call bullshit on Mirri Maz Dur's ritual causing the death of Dany's fetus. Like make it so Dany can ONLY have ONE of three things: Drogo, her baby, or dragons. She can't have her cake and eat it too. Which ever one she has she loses the other two. Makes it far more interesting in my opinion.
Personally i think it's Viserys. If i am not mistaken, Viserys is the male derivative of Visenya. We know for a fact that Rhaegar was obsessed with the prophecy of the 3 headed dragons. And he named his 2 kids with Elia Rhaenys and Aegon. Visenya was known to be boyish, rowdy and a warrior. And finally, the order, the OG trio were: Visenya - eldest Aegon - Middle Child Rhaenys - Youngest. In this case their order is reversed Rhaegar's daughter Rhaenys is the oldest, Aegon is the middle child and Jon/Viserys is the youngest.
6:30 That has long been my biggest complaint about Rhaegar's plan! Like, if he'd just sent someone he trusted to talk to the Starks the war could have been either scaled down or out right avoided.
Tywin resumes his rightful role as Hand of the King. Rhaegar becomes a much better King than Ayres or Robert. Stannis gets Storm's End just like he always wanted. Cersei gets punished by being married off to Viserys. Dany gets her Red Door. Jaime never becomes the King Slayer and is remembered as a great an ld honorable knight. Ned unfortunately doesn't get his sister back and worse still is still married to Karen/Catelyn. So all in all Ned gets the worse of it.
@@OurHiltsHurtDorne doesn’t join the Seven Kingdoms as the Blackfyres were racists Reynes,Brackens,Hightowers all become Lord Paramounts Daemon Blackfyre wouldn’t have been as good a king as Daeron and the Targaryens definitely rebel constantly as the Blackfyres did but they’d probably have a far better chance of winning the throne back over a short time probably after Daemon’s death No Golden Company created Aegor kills Bloodraven and probably takes Shiera Seastar for himself Osgreys get rewarded lands from traitors and Eustace edges himself to pictures of Daemon Daemon Blackfyre probably demands Danearys from the Dornish as he loved her so probably starts a massive war with Dorne for her
@@Rizz779 The blackfyres weren't racist.. only a few of the lords that sided with Daemon hated the dornish and those lords didn't actually care about what the dornish looked like (half of Dornish lords look no different than Stormlanders or Reachman) they cared only about 2 things. 1. Dorne wasn't actually brought in as equals to the other lords they didn't have to change their name to Lord they kept the name Prince and most importantly they didn't have to provide taxes to the Crown. Which basically meant that Dorne was under the Iron Throne "in name only" the hierarchy after Daeron was the Targaryens, Prince or Princess of House Martell, then the Lord paramounts of the other kingdoms the Dornish also seemed to end up completely filling out Daerons court which made it look like he was being manipulated (don't believe he was but it was a bad look especially when no help was sent to the North by the crown when the Skagosi attacked them and the Stark lord was killed) 2. One of the biggest reasons. They had been enemies for Centuries. Lots of Blood has been spilt on both sides. Imagine the Brakens and Blackwood's but x10 in size and number of people involved in the conflicts.
Lyanna did in fact ran away with Rhaegar. Recently there was a GRR Martin approved calendar with ASOIAF themed pictures. In one of them Lyanna and Rhaegar on the isle of Faces and it does not look as if she's unwilling to be with him (also might be cannonical place where they married)
@@Pandemia616 _If_ he was able to give the order; there's an implication that Tywin's passing wasn't just courtesy of Tyrion's crossbow bolts- they merely sped it up -- also, Oberyn's a poisons master, in addition to being a skilled fighter- so how much poison would be needed to kill him, how many 'hired guns', as it were? When the scale for clandestine death goes from something like the relatively quiet death of Jon Arryn, the impaired judgement & delayed reaction of a drunk hunting Robert that passed as 'accidental'- to being cut down in the street/ throne room, wherever -- I don't think Oberyn's 'going quietly'... There's also the question of whether Tywin would even _risk_ the associated political hassles to come with such: Dorne was barely being held back as it was, when Oberyn died in trial by combat (ie. an obvious & lawful manner, with multiple witnesses) - had he been poisoned or knifed somewhere; even Doran's diplomatic skill would potentially have failed to hold back the war-hawks, & honestly- there's a difference between your brother taking his chances & dying in a legal arrangement, & being an ambassador of a neighbouring nation- knifed by some thug, so I don't know that he'd *want* to hold them back- he might be more tempered than his brother, but Doran grieved the death of their sister for just as long- it's an equally old wound that would be compounded by the new loss. Tywin would be more likely to want to come to a private understanding with Doran- which would likely mean part of the 'amends' that occurred in the book; Clegane's head, presented to the Dornish, as a gesture- what else the Dornish may want, I can't say -- a far bigger concern for Tywin, & everyone- if the trial 'proves Tyrion's innocence' - that needs must re-ask the question: who's responsible for Joffrey's death? Do people _really_ think that a sheltered young noblewoman like Sansa ever knew enough to access a poison as rare & pricy as the Strangler, **&** how to handle it carefully enough to *_not_* draw attention to herself while dosing him, *&* not dose herself or another by accident? It's unlikely Tywin believes Sansa has anything to do with Joffrey's death, & he holds more than enough power to shake some sense into Cersei over the matter. Would he perhaps investigate how a seemingly friendless tween - who had no resources, virtually never lacked for supervision/ spies, & spent next-to no time outside of the Red Keep, once arriving in the capitol- was somehow able to get out of the city that was replete with guards at every major point- *every day* , & completely disappear? If Tyrion was 'proven innocent'- what would Tywin **_do_** with him? Keeping him at Court is _no bueno_ (Cersei would lose her rag)- send him back to the Rock? To do what? The man swore black & blue he'd never rule there. Ok, maybe Kevan or someone would be officially in charge, but it'd be a pretty bitter pill to swallow- the war's officially over, but the aftermath is still being felt- & it cost Tywin; he's got fewer & fewer reliable allies- & his overarching goal is to free his golden heir from the Kingsguard, to take his rightful place- he's Hand, & while his second grandson seems more amenable & biddable- he's also younger, necessitating more work, over a longer period of time -- but, back onto the situation with you least favourite child who's survived your judicial murder attempt: he's *just* seen you condemn him to death, until he f^cked up your plans with his *successful* trial by combat (that's a 'trust is gone'-moment, if ever there was one) -- a quiet attempt in his room, at a meal, or a chance 'bandit attack' on the way back home _could_ wrap things up in a neat bow - but it's unlikely he has any trust in you, whatsoever- he sniffs *_anything_* off - at _any_ point, kiss your chances of knocking the guy off quietly, goodbye... I'd also argue that Oberyn _could_ have an impact; in the sense that there could be more unity in Dorne (book & show [though immensely weaker in portrayal, & a (half-arsed) fragment of what the book explores], part of why there are pear-shaped doings- is because there's a deep frustration & resentment over Doran seemingly doing 'nothing' in the wake of Oberyn's death- following not taking enough action in the immediate aftermath of Elia & her children's deaths, years before - however, what Dumbarse & Dipsh^t cut out was Doran revealing the long-game to Ellaria/ Arianne - not to mention conflating Ellaria with Arianne, & f^cking Darkstar, & making it look like Doran's little better than Cersei in not having a firm grip on what's going on in Dorne/ his own Court- whereas BookDoran has played his cards close to his chest, but confided in his brother- & after his brother's death, & his elder son's departure- to play his part, he reveals to Arianne the play- & what the next moves must be -- he knew about the rebellion from the start, & had it sewn up before they knew what hit them- if it wasn't for Darkstar's bloody-mindedness & Ser Arys' sense of guilt for breaking his vows, it could have been crushed bloodlessly, too) -- with both brothers alive, there would have been no rebellion in the first place, no coup- neither Doran, Myrcella, Trystane- nor anyone else, would have likely died at that point. Their alliance with Dany would likely still have occurred, but with a more experienced military leader like Oberyn- & a more political mind like Doran - their alliance might have proved even stronger, & more important- & if Dorne still had Myrcella, Cersei would be somewhat more hamstrung in making a move against them. Sorry, I had a lot of- _thoughts_ , lol
Either Tyrion would be sent to Casterly Rock by Tywin or he’d still be shunned to the point where his only options would be to betray King’s Landing either by going to Essos or Stannis anyway, but most likely Sansa would never go to the Eyrie, which would mean that crazy Lisa would be alive still so Littlefinger’s plans would go slower.
Rhaegar can just dethrone his father without killing him. * It was actually fairly common to abdicate the throne for your son, once you became too old to do it, or to depose a King who was crazy Rhaegar got enough people around to help, so he can just go perform a soft coup, say to the world that his father willingly abdicated, and then lock him away where he can't damage anyone (send him to dragonstone). Rhaegar literally has the entire King's guard on his side, so it wouldn't even be hard * Or he can even just make himself the De Facto King, by making himself the hand, and just keep his father rotting on the throne while taking all the real decisions until he dies. Veto anything stupid and that's it. Just gotta isolate him from any loyalist (ex, the pyromancers) who might try to do it anyway * He might even say it openly "Yeah, my father is crazy, I'm taking the crown now" without any trickery and literally no one would object. Just say "Yeah, he's retired" or "We're having an intervention, he smells like shit" . And it's done. If he needs an excuse, he can just say that was the price to get all rebels lord back in the fold, and he would get Maesters to call him Rhagear the great negotiator or whaever, lol I really don't know why you think he must kill him
3:30 maybe Bran gave Robert some naughty dreams the night before the Battle of the Trident, and ruined his retention grindset. He was low T the next day so of course he lost.
To be honest, even if Robert died in this battle, the rebels still would've won because Rhaegar made a HUGE tactical mistake the moment he decided to have his army cross the river.
@@OurHiltsHurt Tywin wouldn’t care as much that Jaime joined the Kingsguard as he has Tyrion as his heir so may stay on as Aerys hand but unlikely and if he does he probably gets burned alive Tyrion probably is married to Lysa Tully as Jaime was supposed to before he joined the Kingsguard so he gets a crazy wife Tywin probably ignores Tysha if she is still around or silently gets rid of her when Tyrion is away Tyrion still has an awful relationship with Cersei and a strained one with Tywin as he still “kills” Johanna being born but Tywin would be more keen on his lineage through Tyrion who won’t ruin it by being a dwarf Tyrion probably becomes a great warrior like Jaime as he was unnaturally good while still a dwarf Tyrion would be very much more respected and probably is given Kevan levels trust he more than likely leads the army Jaime would’ve during the whispering wood and may not fall for Robb’s trap and may defeat Robb in battle Cersei may try to take Tyrion as a lover instead of Lancel if he also looks like Jaime though unlikely due to Johanna Tyrion has several kids with Lysa ensured by Tywin that he probably names one Gerion after his favorite uncle Tyrion becomes Lord after Oberyn poisons Tywin and Littlefinger or even Oberyn is blamed for Joffreys poisoning before so Tyrion becomes the main power behind tommen and probably the hand of the king and also the Tyrell’s making her enraged at both sides
@@CougheePls less as Tyrion while killing Johanna wouldn’t be a “monster” in his view but his legacy Tywin hated Tyrion far more for being an embarrassment and a dwarf ruining his perfect family image than solely for Johanna
And I personally think that Lyanna would run away with Rhaega. She was headstrong and experienced in battle. She wasn't a damsal in distress who had to be saved by the prince. She seemed to be like Arya. Running away (in need to by saved) with Rhaega would have been a move made by Sansa. I personally think that there's a reason why GRRM wrote Arya with so many similarities to Lyanna, even though we don't know much about her yet.
I gotta say, the first time i clicked onto a video by you guys, i got salty. I stayed because it's very interesting to see a flip on popular perspectives you see all the time. You guys crack me the hell up now lmao, especially when i go into the comments 😂 Can't wait for the next video.
This channel has transformed me... I used to be a beta who hated the likes of Craster and Walder Frey all the while losing my mind over Oberyn... now I see the error of my ways
So I just have to come here and say this. Caitlyn Stark is the dumbest most evil character in GoT. She literally is the reason the War of 5 Kings starts, by arresting Tyrion for no reason. Like she literally sees him and has him arrested for a crime that she has no proof he committed, solely based on her own emotions. Like he literally just went to Winterfell helped out Bran, and then she makes this huge scene. Followed by the biggest idiot, Ned, who defends his wife even though she is acting like an idiot, like dude it isn't honorable to detain a person based on speculation, an defend your wife when she is wrong and doing crazy shit. Then they expect no retaliation for these unjust actions, against Tyrion, who to my knowledge is never known for using poison of having people killed. More over she could have just asked the Nights Watch guy he was with since they were together the entire time. Like she literally started a war based purely on her own emotions and stupid beliefs, knowing that Little Finger is a liar and a snake.
The biggest issue here is Dorne would have massive issues if Rhaegar won the war and remarried. Given Dorne was only brought into the seven kingdoms was by Marriage they would willingly rebel. And if Rhaegar fights his father its the Dance of Mad Dragons (without dragons but due to the crest they have) Viserys would be put as King (with a Martell bride)
Do a video where you break down what you think will happen with each main character in winds. Would love to see what you guys think. Keep up the videos, you guys are by far my fav new channel I discovered in years.
You folks missed a few important points about the naming of children: 1. Elia Martell was Rhaegar's wife and mother of his children. He nullified that marriage to be available to wed Lyanna Stark. By doing that he not only disrespected Elia, a Martell princess of Dorne, but invalidated his children with her and rendered them bastards in the eyes of the Seven Kingdoms (had they all lived and the annulment/marriage/baby been made known). 2. Because Rhaegar invalidated his first wife and children, he had to rename a legitimate son(Jon) as Aegon. There's a reason why both his sons carried this name. As to why the name held so much importance to him, I've no idea.
I want some final destination level bs to happen to make Robert lose. I’m talking someone archer trips over the pile of corpses he left in his path and fires an arrow accidentally hitting him in his eye. I’m talking a 1 in a billion shot. God himself had to take the demon of the trident down.
Bobby B swings his massive hammer at Rhaegar and slips on the shit from that Tarly boy he killed earlier. Rhaegar takes advantage of him and stabs him through the back as he's laying face down in said shit.
I dont think racist is quite the word you were looking for, but, alright. Jon has first men blood, it would be more of a cultural supremacy. Which would be ironic because the northerners are seen as the country bumpkins within the seven kingdoms.
Just discovered this channel love the content and working my way through your channel. One thing I was thinking about is, what if crazy horse lady Lyanna had just been normal and married lord chadsworth himself Robert? Who would be king in the time of the main story and how would they deal with the long night? Obviously that is a major theory to tackle and apologies if you have a video on that already. Love what you guys are doing!
Ned, as a Northman, needs to claim his rightful vengeance. He has lost two brothers, Brandon & Robert and his father. The North marched to war explicitly to avenge Rickard and Brandon Stark. The idea that Rhaegar could talk down Ned is false. Much of Rhaegar's reputation rests on the "James Dean Effect". He dies young, and thus becomes a romantic figure. If Lyanna and Rhaegar do not fie, they do not become romanticized, and likely become the target of many people's hatred, because their actions have cost the lives of many. Even if Rhaegar told Ned truthfully that he loved Lyanna, and Lyanna loved Robert, they did not have the consent of House Stark to wed. And people died because of it. If nothing else, Ned would need to meet his duty to his bannermen to avenge themselves on the throne, and on Rhaegar.
Bobby B saw how much of a bussy Raegar was and decided he didn't want to inhabit the same plain of existence and self deleted. Raegar could never defeat bobby b
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things also could you make a video if Baelor Targaryen didn't die in dunk and egg series and becomes king after his father
Stannis becomes the Lord of Storm's End and becomes the head of House Baratheon, but given Rhaegar's nature, the most likely scenario would have been for him to attaint House Baratheon and elevate House Connington to the status of a major house in the Stormlands. The Conningtons would become the new ruling dynasty of the Stormlands as a result. As for the Vale, the Riverlands, and the North, I'm not sure who's the rival of House Arryn, but in the case of the Riverlands, I'd lean towards either House Whent or House Frey as the new ruling dynasty. The North on the other hand, is tricky, as not a single house in the North had declared for House Targaryen. I thought of this kind of question a while back, but could a Red Wedding-like event have occurred during Robert's Rebellion? Given that a Red Wedding-like scenario happening during said rebellion instead of the War of Five Kings could have also gained a kind of justified reason, as in this case, the Starks and Tullys getting slaughtered much earlier would have had a legal side to it (the Starks and Tullys being the houses that rebelled against the Crown, and the Boltons and Freys were putting them down to reaffirm their loyalty to the Crown instead of illegally usurping their positions as Lord Paramounts).
Would love to a see a What If video about like Arya having Jaqen kill Tywin/Joffrey at Harrenhal. I feel like the war could go in several interesting directions
What rhaegar should’ve done is switch ser barristan with Arthur dayne. Ser barristan is a veteran in all sense of the word. Bro would’ve stuck inside the tower and protected lyanna and if ned and the northerners showed up they would’ve died on the spot. Ser barristan is honorable Don doubt but he is also isn’t blinded by it. He would’ve put some traps or some sort to even out the playing field agaisnt the 7 northerners. Arthur dain on the other hand being on the trident is a no brainer.the rebels wouldve shit their pants if they knew the sword of the morning was cleaving through their allies💀
Oh I am SO here for the why Robert was in love with Ned video!! I think you guys making their love language just Robert going “Damn you Ned!” is the best thing I’ve ever heard, I fucking die every time 😂😂
One thing to remember, Robert and Rhegar fought on horse back in the books. It is very conceivably for Robert's horse to tumble in the river. If the would happen. It would be very easy for Rehgar to get a sword point at Roberts throat and demand him to yield. This would stop the battle. Rehgar offering mercy to Robert and the rest of the rebels would be a very interesting what if, because it would thow the whole Rehgar is a unchivelris monster argument the fuck out the window and would give quite a few people pause. If Robert was wounded enough he could be captured and held by Rehgar for enough time for Rehgar and Ned to talk. That would end the war right there. Him offering everyone clemency and Aryes refusing to honor this, would give Rehgar enough of a reason to depose his father, and send him to be exiled/imprisoned on dragonstone or some small nice island.
I think Ned and Rhaegar would make a deal that includes Ned making sure everyone knows his sister wasn't kidnapped and the Mad King taking the black as punishment for burning Ned's father alive (among other things). And then sent word to Tywin, Mace and Stannis who will probably accept the deal as well. Only Tywin might need some encouragement, but like you said they can offer freeing Jamie and/or giving him his old job back as hand of the king. Tywin still rushes to kings landing pretending to helping the Mad King, but then instead of sacking the city they simply arrest the king. and if he tries to burn the city Jamie still stabs him in the back, hopefully.
Would love to see two what-ifs 1. What if Daemon Blackfyre won the Blackfyre Rebellion. 2. What if the Blackfyre rebellion had Dragons. The Blackfyre rebellion is less than 100 years after the dance and of the 4 surviving dragons from the Dance at least 2 (Silverwing and Sheepsteeler) should still be alive by the time of the Blackfyre rebellions not only would they be alive but they would be younger than Vhagar was during the Dance still. You could possibly even include the Cannibal if you believe the Cannibal was around the age of Vermithor when he disappeared.
