What if Scandinavia United? - The Nation That Could’ve Been | Alternate History 

Vinland would probably have the most overpowered hockey team ever

I think this guy is from Scandanavia

New Zealand being scandinavian is such a cool concept

Neatling trying to not make videa about Kalmar Union/United Scandinavia challenge (impossible)

This is the 3rd video you’ve made on if the Kalmar Union survived

Love the details. Like how you changed the names on the maps from Danish/Swedish/Norwegian to Scandinavian

Like the fact that the Vinlandflag is the same as our Småland. As a smålänning this makes me happy

As a norwegian, I aprove this (Also this video is really quality! Great work!)

fun fact: Poland-Lithuania was in a union with Sweden for a bit

I'd like to suggest a "What if Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth never fell" remaster, if you would like some ideas

Video suggestion: countries that failed to become superpowers [examples: Argentina, Egypt (through a pan-arab federation), Saudi Arabia (possibly), et cetera]

Please a make a burgundy scenario where it survives and also doens't just become bigger netherlands

Your alt-hist videos def gotta be one of my favorites from this channel (I too dread that Scandinavia was never an single unified state and its immense potential to be a super power)

Neatling this is the seventh week on a row you make a what if scandinavia united, keep it coming and soon we might actually unite them.

That was a well thought out alternative history that kept bound to more realistic possibilities, and didn't fall into the traps of the incredibly unlikely possibilities that most alt histories tend to do.

What If Russia 🇷🇺 never colonized Siberia and didn't expand East into Asia

i love your videos, they tend to have the best endings. Always fairly realistic, always solid and you never go overboard!

This was a much more realistic take than your last video, good job

Neatling you make amazing videos I legit get happy and excited when I see them pop up in my notifications

Very interesting! Watching from Norge ❤

great production quality!

Interesting go at alternative history. Thanks for the video.

Yet another banger

I love America casually expanding east everytime we see it again, and it basically trading new england for more of mexico

Forget the European Union BS, THIS is what should be, the Scandinavian/Nordic Union with Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland & Iceland (but if not, the other 4 is fine) This would be so much better IMO.

Why did you narrate my EU4 Scandinavia playthrough?

This guy is either from Scandinavia or he is just a REALLY REALLY big Kalmar Union fan cause this is the 13th video on Scandinavia as a whole (including non althist vids)

Dude I wish this was reality, it would have been so cool. (I’m a Swede btw)

The thing is that Old Swedish from the 1500s were closer to Old Danish than the modern Swedish and Danish languages are today. Old Norwegian was also closer to both Old Danish and Old Swedish at the time. So I think they would have tried to unify the three Scandinavian languages to further unify the whole of Scandinavia.

As an Ontarian whose hometown is in the countryside outside of Toronto. I approve of this video. Can you do it irl too? xD Two comments: this is what my average ck3 game playing as Denmark looks like, and finally Estonia becomes part of the Nordics lol. Speaking of which, is Vinland part of some type of Nordic council with the Kingdom of Scandinavia along with the other colonies?

Could you do a scenario for "What if feudal fragmentation in Poland never happened"

New Sjælland was a nice touch.

What if the Imperial Federation was successful? What if United States of Austria was successful? What if America purchased English Carribean and Madagascar? What if Italy was united by Medici? What if Bohemia United Germany? What if Constianiople was Reconqured early?

Biggest problem with "what if scandinavia united" is the control of the baltic sea. Germany, Russia, and Poland simply couldnt live with a united scandinavia and the total control of sea way.

This is like the 7th vid you’ve done on a united Scandinavia and united Nordic countries

just a qustion, wouldnt it be more logickel to put lappland insted of norrboten?

Do a video on Serbia or Bulgaria I think it would be interesting.

What if Crassus and Publius conquered Persia and ruled the east along with Crassus Jrs sphere in north Africa?

Was this inspired by DOD at all?

I love these videos.

could you do a senario of "what if the middle east never had oil" this senario has huge ramifications like a different coldwar, usa probably "annexing" venesuela for their big oil reserves and perhaps a greater progress on renewables.

"New Sjælland" was really the icing on the cake

As a Norwegian I approve

In this scenario Novgorod vs Muscovy war would've gone down differently.

I absolutely love to see an Alt history where Europe keeps its colonies for once considering there wasnt a ww2. This is a very nice world

I’m Canadian living in Nova Scotia. Although remote & difficult to travel to, i strongly recommend visiting the only existing Viking settlement in North America- L’anse aux meadows in Newfoundland - it’s a truly underrated historical site. Side note - there’s no actual concrete evidence the Vikings traveled any further inland North America. Especially as far west as Minnesota/Wisconsin etc. Just more examples of Americans trying to rewrite history. I’m surprised I haven’t heard about Ghengis Khan sailing up the Mississippi River. 😊

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The biggest stretch in this video was Vinland: as interesting as that is there is no president. Perhaps if they pressed the issue they could’ve gotten Newfoundland and had a small Provence as a colony but they wouldn’t’ve beat Britain to lower Canada. If they had had an interest they wouldn’t’ve given up after 2 attempts. However them getting some African colonies would’ve happened…provided oto von Bismarck still happened (and thus the scramble for Africa) since Germany and all its constituent countries are radically different. Some Polynesian islands are to be expected but it’s a little odd they wouldn’t compete in the Caribbean or South America, sure Spain was there first but who cares what Spain thinks?

Danish dream

Interesting theory. I think it more likely (or at least very likely) though, that United Scandinavia would have extended itself even further in the east. Instead falling under Muscovy rule, Novogorod could have very well become part of United Scandinavia or at least it's protectorate. It was not until 1470s, when Novgorod was annexed by Muscovy and Russia as we know it was born. Novgorod ruling families - boyars - were divided in their opinion about Moscow until the end and United Scandinavia could have challenged Moscow easily. This would have redrawn the Northeastern European Map completely as Novgorod extended itself all the way to Ural Mountains. There would never have been St. Petersburg and probably never Russian Siberia. Instead Russia would have turned more to the south and possibly Kiev would have re-emerged as the seat of power. Russian empire would have been replaced by Scandinavian Empire that would have expanded to Asia through Novrogod lands during the following centuries (instead of Russia).

For some reason I think that even under Swedish crown, Finns would maintain the language and culture even if the main official language would be Swedish. It would help tons with the trade and most likely annexation on Estonia since by those times we spoke literally the same language and had shared culture. Same applies to Karelian people as well as Sami in the far North to thge reaches of Kola peninsula. I'm sure Finland would stay under the crown and wouldn't try to declare independence or break the union like with Ruskies, though I'd dare to claim Finland would be antonymous state with own governance under Swedish/Scandivanian rule.

This is how history should have went.

Pls do a what if on mexico🙏

Saw you talking about Elfsborg becoming stronger, well the Danish did have plans to move the capital of Scandinavia to Gothenburg. Scandinavia would probably also forgo colonizing and leave it to England in order to get hold of the baltic coastline, making it an inland sea. In WW1 England would have allied Germany & Scandinavia against Soviet, France & Ottomans.

part 2 please

the håndbold would go insane

Portuguese here. I couldn't avoid to notice that this scenario would have weakened UK and as a consequence, South Africa would be Dutch and a united Portuguese colony in Africa would have been achieved as was intended IRL, linking Angola to Moçambique, and afterwards giving birth to a big united African country, like Brazil in south america. Good for them. After decolonization, a country like that would certainly be a wealthy nation.

the days when the baltic sea was a swedish lake

I almost view our countries as one. We have free travel, working is no problem, banks that cross the borders, defence was earlier a close collaboration. Even more now with Nato. If I want to move from sweden to one of the other countries it wouldn't be a big problem. And we view each other as brothers and sisters more or less. We are mocking each other as siblings at least : ). We have very little differences in our customs with holidays. Not any bigger difference than any other bigger country with different beliefs. Our kings and queens are related to each other. I think we have more in common then differences .

What if the Brazilian Empire survived?

Did you make Tasmania into a Scandanavian colony just because the Danish Queen comes from there? :)

This is why we play the Europa Universalis games, what a commercial for those games xD

I don't see why the nordic traders would be more sucessfull than the hanseatic ones. The germans had a more diverse range of goods to trade.

I have a problem with this. The main reason neither Denmark or Sweden expanded much after 1600eds was because of wars between Sweden and Denmark. Russia was founded only years before Kalmar union was dissolved. Russa expanded (population vice) mostly into the then Sweden and Poland, and doing so mostly because of wars between Sweden and Denmark. So to say, Denmark was not on Russian side, but they was on the side of who ever was in war with Sweden. If Sweden and Denmark was on the same side, Danish troops that was in effect of support of Russia, would in that case be in support of Sweden in stead. This is also to a degree true for War between Denmark and Sweden involving Poland. Here is a bit more complicated because its not clear cut if a unified Nordic would generally support Poland or be against Poland. I would say the most likely scenario is that Poland mostly would be a enemy of Sweden. Buuut, russa would probobly be the more important enemy becasue Russia trying to take land from already pre existing Nordic. The result of that would be that Russia would never establish a coast and hence never grew to a empire, hence remain a poor backwater. I would also say its unlikely that Nordic would try to take over the whole of Poland or even want to. Basically Baltic would be lake Kalmar Union with Kalmar union all around. Even if this would be a significant super power, it would not be quite as large as UK or France, while fairly close. Also with no great Russia to have war with, the situation in Europe would be very different. Most of the conclict between UK and Sweden or Denmark involved Russia, with no powerful russia i would say that Kamlar Union and UK would. This would probobly result in a higher engagement of colonization while i would assume that the Kalmar union colonies would fowled into the UK colonies in america just as in our timeline. Where it really would matter is in Africa. I would also say that with out a large German coast, Germany would not be close to as power full as in our timeline. With UK and Kalmar Union on the same side there would just not be sufficient power to even challenge the domination of the North. There would also probobly not be a European union today. With the north that much of a power house its unlikely that Neither Nordic countries or UK would join something that would probobly be seen as a way to suppress the more powerful countries.

You've built in points of potential nationbreaking issues, for example all the names of prime ministers and kings and so on are danish, despite the noted respect of swedish nobles this would be a problem. the centralisation of power and people around denmark and kattegat. You have to remember that nowray and sweden are already grappling with people living far from the capitals feeling disaffected, you compound that problem enormously by adding finland and estonia as well, it wouldnt work, these are places with long histories and traditions that would not let them accept such a centralisation. The only way such a realm could function would be the wa canada and the US work, with a high degree of federalism. That in turn would mean the historical centers of population in helsinki, st.petersburg(which was founded by sweden/finland, tallinn, stockholm and oslo would be important to keep this nation functioning. If you ask me...

if Scandinavia was stronger and united and ww1 was still a heavy slog, i would not be suprised if germany got forced to give up the german aeras that Scandinavia owned for hundreds of year, i also doubt that Scandinavia would say no, like denmark did to get all of Schleswig-Holstein. ignoring that, this is more or less my only complaint, where ofc everything could be way different, this is a ''what if'' and what would happen no one could know, also i really really like that you dont go over the top, or make Scandinavia a giant power house that could just triumph over everything. med andre ord, en god video.

What if Kaliningrad Oblast Became 51st U.S States? New sub from Vietnam hello

**Kalmar Union 2.0**

So ... divergences of darkness, victoria II mod?

I think you'd need to expand on how and why Scandinavia would turn from Catholism without the death of the Kalmar union (at least around that time). Personally I think there'd be more pushbacks from the other European countries if a Scandinavian empire had existed.

Jo mere jeg så din video blev jeg mere og mere sikker på at du er dansker det havde jeg så også ret i. Men fuck en fed video.

I have a small question. What eould happen to Finland. Would they ever get any national identity or would all the nationalist movements be shut down? Im no historian so im not sure if this is a dumb question.

I'm Canadian and I wished I lived in Vinland

So why didn't it work out? Because the nobility and the king were in eternal conflict with each other, maneuvering to get the upper hand, resulting in numerous civil wars, competing kings and director generals, till in the end most of the Swedish nobility becoming killed in the Stockholm bloodbath, resulting in a Swedish uprise against Christian II of Oldenburg, to form an independent Swedish state under the Vasa Dynasty.

Scandinavia: *stretches into Baltikum* Estonia: *happy estonian noises*

I liked everything except the massive Vinland colony. despite the unification Scandinavia would totally lack the manpower in the colonies and assuming the enlightenment still happens as it did IRL the American colonies would still form the United States although possibly later. Either way I think Britain or USA would end up annexing much of the valuable land around the st Lawrence and great lakes In this world’s equivalent wars.

Swedish Tasmania 😔

How Germany menage to keep Czekia. We Czech are Slavic people not german 💀

2:04 Norway generally suffered under Denmark. If Sweden remained under Danish rule then Norwegians would have the option of cooperating with the Swedish opposition possibly allowing *both* countries to leave simultaneously instead of just Sweden alone. 3:05 The world wouldn't refrain from reacting. The UK, Netherlands and HRE would all consider such a strong nordic region a issue and would oppose it. Furthermore such a union would in reality have weakened Scandinavia. Just like it would today. Countries are more efficient when they're smaller.

Bro Scandinavian new Zealand 13:19

It would be so awesome. It would be so cool.

What could have been ❤

Imagine Europe united. That would be a force able to overcome USA at least. Maybe?

i could live with this

The Nordic countries are united in a Nordic Union of sovereign countries that cooperate on trade such as EFTA and international goals. Unfortunately, the only perception of what a Union is is that it must be led by a dictatorial president like in the USA, UK, EU, Russia or China. Therefore, it is up to half of us in the north who are of the opinion that it is the EU that is the Union we are part of.

Include central Indiana I want to be apart of this

The third time you’ve done this lol

There is some historical subject there is incorrect. It's true that the war against Stockholm did start the birth of Sweden with Wasa. But not because of the bloodbath. Christian 2. Did use a lot of money to keep control of Stockholm. He couldn't tax them at home, cause there where a lot of tension there, so instead he tax the peasant around Stockholm. That led to an revolt which Wasa joined and lead.

New Sjælland 🤔

Oah where is Your video about how you make your Videos

Hungary defending Serbs? Now that's a stretch lol.

why did germany keep czechia when they should have lost all non german lands?

The state that can still be

Not sure if Scandinavia would become protestant in this timeline tbh, I think it would stay catholic

Mf thinks he can just recap his EU4 Denmark run and get away with it.

What if the South slavs were united in around 600-1000 and today All south Slavs speak Same language and have same Culture ( Former Yugoslavia and Bulgaria

LOTR in Scandinavian

I liked this scenario. still a little butthurt over swedesh beign forced over finland :(

New Zealand isn't named after the island in Denmark. It's named after Zeeland, the province in the Netherlands. How embarrassing.

Biggest Scandinavian patriot.