What if Sweden joined the Allies in WW2? 

This is a great scenario, but the USSR would have a lot of problems invading Japan. Especially considering that most of their competent officers had been purged in the 30s. Also there is a lack of the land lease to the Soviets against Japan. Basically the Soviet invasion would have a lot of problems, imagine a blend between the winter war and Barbarossa in a situation where that Soviet military is invading not just Manchuria and Korea, but also trying to conduct an amphibious and possibly airborne invasion of Japan.

Alternative Title: (Czechoslovak) Beer cooperating with (Swedish) meatballs

“I’m once again asking for Finland🗿”

While interesting, I find it highly unlikely that Sweden would buy military gear from Czechoslovakia. Sweden has traditionally bought British and American designs, some for local production. Later, it has been mostly Swedish designs in our armed forces. This scenario was more "What if Sweden decided to import the entirety of the Czechoslovakian military for some reason and then for some reason send them to Finland", and less of "What if Sweden joined the Allies", in my opinion. If Sweden joined the Allies, it would have gone all-in to help Finland with actual Swedish troops, as our public (in real life) demanded - but the government said no.

I think the idea of russia giving up all of karelia for a greater buffer around st.petersburg is very unlikely, unless they are truly desperate, but the soviets weren't exactly known for their prowess in amphibious invasions, and pushing across the envisioned border here, between the two lakes, in the terrain of dense forests, bogs and marshes is very unfavorable. The frontline would've remained static for years, until the airforce overwhelmed the nordic alliance... but this is a shame, because this is the kind of border that would discourage future conflict. Geopolitically speaking, it's the "natural" border between the scandinavian peninsula, and russia. I think this region would be a lot more peaceful if the border between russia and finland was between the two lakes today.

10:04 Italy has corsica instead of Sardinia

As a swede this is a really intresting video idea, keep up the good content king 🍷🗿

I can't really imagine Hungarian annexation of Slovakia not being considered aggression.

It's too bad for the germans they were so ideologically motivated. Aside from a large minority in sweden and other nordics, most people did not sympathize with the nazi's, however they did sympathize very much with the german people, and the british and their allies were not very well liked after them being directly responsible to starving thousands of people in scandinavia, in the first world war, due to a naval blockade. It is not unlikely that sweden and the other nordic countries would've joined a nationalistic germany that wasn't ruled by nazis.

I know you like to make your scenarios more unrealistic to make them more interesting, but I'd just like to mention that Joseph Stalin actually wanted good relations with the leader of China and probably would have given Manchuria back and maybe even give them Korea.

19:24 i love how Romania randomly lost Basarabia

I’m not sure the Soviets could’ve actually invaded Japan. In this situation, the Japanese navy is still fully intact because they never fight the Americans, and they’re still trading with the US since they never got embargoed cause they didn’t invade French Indochina. Given what the USSR gets in Europe, I’m very confident the support for Japan against the Soviets would’ve been considerable. The USSR probably takes Manchuria but I’d be willing to bet they don’t even invade Korea, much less attack the Japanese home islands. East Asia would be very weird since you’d have the Japanese and Chinese both as great powers and absolutely despising each other while both being mutually terrified of communism and both supported by the western powers as bulwarks against the spread of communism.

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Why is Churchill at Stockholm? Chamberlain was ousted because of Allied failures in Poland and Norway. With the Allies doing well, I doubt he would have been voted out.

The worst part of this is that during the destruction of Czechoslovakia Poland didn't seem to have time to get their piece of that country.

Ah, as a Swede I think the topic of this video was interesting, all Swedes for the last almost 80 years have asked themselves what it would have been like if we where in the war. Although your scenario is very detailed and I think you did a great job, but there are a few things I must point at. You base the scenario entirely on hindsight that Sweden somehow knows war will break out, while the others doesn't. Regardless of which leader would be in charge, in 1936 Swedish politicians, as the rest of Europe, would see a war as avoidable. We had our pants down just as much as Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium and so on. Sweden in the 1930's was more fearful of the communists and the Soviet Union than nazi Germany and would think that if a war broke out, Germany wouldn't have any interest in the Nordic countries. But we would expect Finland to fall in 1939, and the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact could make us belive we could be attacked from two sides. This could have led to Sweden forming a defencive pact with Norway, because if one of us falls, the other is in an extremely precarious situation. This would mean we would be attacked in 1940, and with 1+ year of mobilizing than in our timeline, we would stand a better chance, but would still not be able to resist. We could threaten to destroy our Iron ore deposits, and Germany could threaten to bomb for example Gothenburg to pieces.

Per Albin Hansson was responsible for the 1920's demolishing of the Swedish defense. He had had a failed army career and hated the officers, blaming them for his failures.

Interestingly Sweden was very close to joining the war near the end. The Swedes had trained both Danish and Norwegian ex-soldiers as the "Norwegian police troops" and the "Danish brigade". The Swedish approved a plan called rädda danmark (Save denmark) on the 4th of may which involved the Danish brigade and Swedish troops to land in northern Denmark and kick the germans out. Around 60 000 men were to be involved on the Swedish side. The plan was set for the 18th of may but the war ended before the plan could start.

13:14 the exact borderline you drew through the Netherlands is an unrealistic detail. even in our timeline, the dutch managed to hold the Germans off at the ‘afsluitdijk’ , so that the germans could not get onto the northwestern tip of Holland, which is coloured red. Just a little detail I wanted to share, but the overall quality of the video is very high. keep up the good work.

Denmark and Sweden wouldnt want those territories, denmarm might want really small border changes but mostly they would both want money and security guarantees

First part: Czechoslovakia giving sweeden stuff Second part: Czechoslovakia Fighting ussr ( again) Peace: not great but, as a czech, i can live with that

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Very good video! I love the idea of this! 🇸🇪

Very nice video! It was very enjoyable!

13:37 why Italy has corsica 💀

10:05 You gave Corsica to Italy (while separating Sardinia from it). As a french, I take it personally... Great video anyway.

Interesting question. However, this clip cannot be listened to as the sound is unbearable to listen to.

This is a really good video with an fascinating scenario but I dont understand why after the fall of the USSR Romania didnt keeped Bassarabia and North Bucovina or why the USSR didnt split East Prussia with Lithuania.

This sounds like a HOI4 scenario when you turn historical AI off 🤣 Great video though

Great video, and also very intresting scenario

This scenario should be renamed: What if the Czechoslovak army went on a volenteering trip to the nordics.

Sweden gave as much as it could to Finland when USSR attacked. Government change would have mattered little.

10:46 why would Czechoslovaks join Finland against USSR when Ussr was the only major power that supported them against Germany during Sudetenland crisis

Why do you have the czechoslovaks doing things like helping finland? They didn't do as much in otl as in your scenario

The video is great, tho I'd change a few things with the scenario itself, mostly with the peace deal after the war: 1. Sweden would probably make some kind of an arrangement with Finland regarding the Åland islands, which had an almost fully Swedish population despite belonging to Finland (maybe Finland would even give them to Sweden after the Winter War as compensation for the support they got from Sweden) 2. Poland would most likely still get at least all of Silesia (tho maybe they'd give Kłodzko to Czechoslovakia, since it wasn't even part of the historical Silesia region, rather a part of Bohemia proper), western Wielkopolska (with cities like Piła, Wałcz and Międzyrzecz) and parts of East Prussia which bordered Poland and weren't important enough for the USSR to care about them that much (including the Pomezania/Powiśle region, the city of Elbląg/Elbing, and bordering parts of Mazuria) and maybe also some parts of german Pomerania (with cities like Lębork, Bytów and Słupsk/Stolp) as compensation for the eastern lands they lost to the Soviets despite being on the winning side + these lands were, and to this day are, inhabited by Slavic nations like Silesians, Kashubians, and Mazurians so it wouldn't even mean the deportations of Germans being as huge as in OTL 3. On the flipside, Poland would probably still not get all of its pre-WW2 lands back after the collapse of the Soviet Union, but some agreements would be made with Belarus and Ukraine about the territories with large Polish populations (with cities like Lwów/Lviv, Grodno/Hrodna, or Brześć/Brest), so the Polish border would still be more to the East than in OTL 4. East Prussia would definitely not be given back to the Weimar Republic, it would either be an independent state, a Russian base similar to Kaliningrad in OTL, or be split between Poland and Lithuania 5. I doubt that the French would be allowed to completely annex Western Rhineland after the war. They definitely would be allowed to take the Saarland, maybe also parts of South-West Rhineland (with cities like Trier and Koblenz) + some small bits of land would be also given to Belgium and Luxembourg, but the rest would most likely be just occupied for some time and then returned to the Weimar Republic 6. The Netherlands would probably also annex East Frisia from Germany to reunite the Frisian people, most of whom were and are living in the Netherlands 7. This one is probably just a map error at the end, but since Romania never gave up Besarabia and North Bucovina to the USSR, it would stay Romanian instead of being split between Ukraine and Moldova after the collapse of the USSR

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10:04 Sardinia: What? Corsica: What? 13:36 Again?!

Awesome video! (Daniel here!)

how does basarabia got to the soviets? you dint say anything about soviet ocupation of basarabia, and after the soviet explosion basarabia magicaly gets eaten by ukraine?

Very Interesting video 😊

i don’t see how the price of steel changes all of this, and the relocation of czechoslovak industry is unrealistic.

Day 4 of asking you to do "What if Skanderberg's crusade succeseded"

Not sure if you did one like this, but could you do one when czechoslovakia refuses the munich agreement and fights alone? Their army was smaller, however more experienced and with strong border fortifications. And also defending. Could they possibly defend themselves and achieve a pece deal? Or would the german citizen perhaps revolt upon seeing their leader fail so hard at invading a nation for no reason, or maybe, with some help with czech spies too ;) . Would be very interesting.

The most important consequence would be that Orr, in Joseph Heller's novel Catch 22, would not spend th whole book doing mystrious, stupid seeming things that turn out to be preparation for going AWOL to neutral Sweden.

Nice video!

As a Swede, I thank you

Poland should get Silezia in the peace treaty, as they lost land to the Soviet Union and were attacked by Germany

Can’t wait to see

Great video

I have no idea why your intonation goes up and down like a sinus curve, sorry I can't watch it as that's too distracting.

Not even the soviets were invited to the Munich conference why would Sweden be invited if they were only going to vote against it anyway

Wasn't German attack on Norway and Denmark executed for protecting trading with Sweden if Sweden in this scenario is not that keen on cooperating with Germans why would they attack scandinavia in the first place?

This question is beyond stupid since the answer is blindingly simplistic. The war between Finland-Sovjet was a warof territory. Had Sweden joined, and lost (as Finland was forced to negotiate peace, the Sovjet army was bigger than the Finnish population...) then Stalin would have demanded land from Sweden and Finland would ceased to exist in the same moment. I always tell Finnish people to thank us Swedish for not joining.

May be, Sweden remained neutral only because Germans had failed to take Leningrad. Otherwise it could have join Axis.

I think this scenario, and scenarios like this in general, suffer from one problem in particular. They fail to adjust the actions of parties to take the changes into consideration. Would the Germans have acted as they did with Poland with a stronger guarantee from the West, with Sweden, the source of a great deal of their critical war material aligned against them? Would the Soviet Union have invaded from the east when the Poles were putting up stiff resistance against the Germans? What is the timetable for their invasion? Would they move it up or down? Historically they lagged behind the Germans intentionally, so as to appear that they were not in fact invading the Polish Republic, but protecting their Belarusian and Ukrainian brothers with the collapse of the Polish Republic. Would the Soviet Union have invaded Finland when Stalin knew he was not just fighting a weak, new country on its own but one possessing the former Czech army and the help of Sweden besides, with the potential of British intervention? Stalin likely would not have considered an intervention against the Germans when he was becoming increasingly isolated. Instead, he probably would have stepped up his support for the Germans, with their desperation leading to increasing promises, such as control over Bulgaria, a goal he had attempted historically but was thwarted by German influence. Stalin's hope in this situation would be to create another World War One with trench warfare so that the capitalist powers would destroy one another, enabling him to sweep over the remnants with ease. Why would Stalin declare war on the Japanese? His policy in the region was much the same as in Europe: exhaust both potential adversaries by allowing them to fight each other. He would be much better off by prolonging the war for as long as possible, providing some weapons to the Chinese or help from his divisions if they were faltering too much as he did historically. A Soviet invasion of the Japanese home isles provides an excellent opportunity for detente between America and Japan, or at the least a weakening of the American oil embargo. With such an event, it would be impossible for the Soviet Union to invade the home isles, as they possessed few naval assets in the far east, in comparison to the Japanese at least. All of these decisions as presented in the video and more besides are questionable at best.

Nonsense, everything would go basically the same. Sweden would not stand a chance, nor be at the Munich conference, this was for major powers. You overpower Sweden, no offence to them, but they were far from being a major factor.

Why did you randomly decide that Japan would just roll over and be taken over by the USSR? If anything, Japan would stalemate the USSR with support from the West as while they weren't fans of Japan, they'f be even more hostile against Communism. I could see Japan being forced to give up its ambitions in China and Manchuria by the West in exchange for aid but be allowed to keep Korea and maybe Taiwan but probably not.

If this would really had happened if sweden joined ww2 on the allies side, bs this is the best and even better for my country Finland

Ass a swidish man 🇸🇪 i am happy that you do videos about Sweden and Italy has corsica Napoleon

Those postwar German borders almost resemble a HOI4 peace deal, at least with the gains for Czechoslovakia and Sweden.

If Sweden joined the Allies then Germany would jump at them right after Norway and Denmark. Under German occupation Sweden would then most likely get bombed by both the Soviet union and the Allies, once Barbarossa was pushed back The Soviets would probably "liberate" parts of Sweden and the Allies would do the same. Sweden never officially picked any sides because it would get bombed and attacked no matter what side it would pick. Sweden joins the Commitern with The Soviets would end up in German occupation and being bombed by both Soviets and Allies. Sweden joins the Axis would result in The Soviets attacking it occupying it which would result in Sweden being bombed by the Germans.

sweden did help finland we had 15000+ troops there and gave them supply s and did plan to invade norway in 1945 with 100k soldiers but the war did end

Poland should have acquired Eastern Silesia. Aside from that, very good video!

But what if they joined the axis ?

Interest8; I wasant expecting this one swedens rarely mentioned

playing hoi4 as Germany rn and I believe if Switzerland and/or Sweden chose a team they'd choose Germany the war would have had to have been in Germanys favor long enough however or they'd pulled a Turkiye and Brasil being states more likely to join Germany but fought Germany for relations with the winning team

Well i have one more word: germany will win after spain joined and croatian empire,turkish joined,Portugal invaded,Switzerland,British annexed ireland if germany invaded sweden as well

For as much as i like it the region of Silesia looks horrendous and North Germany is still too Powerful which could easily be cut off by taking away silesia, as well as Poland is looking ugly for cold war

Sweden was famously neutral during ww2, this prevented mau dezong from every coming to party

Very cool❤ but can you do more interactive videos??

Why is corsica under italy and sardinia independent?

Can you create an alternate Post-Russian Civil War timeline if Anastania Romanov still survied from the execution and became the Tsarina of Russia?

I'm Swedish. No Swedish iron exports to Germany would make quite a large difference. I can't really judge the events in Czechoslovakia and Poland. Similar to the Poles in our timeline, the Checks would be willing to fight against both Germany and the Soviet Union, but would they make a big impact in Finlands Winter War? Regardless, if Sweden is better armed and a decided ally of England and France and France does not have to fear Italy, French and Swedish forces and British Navy could do much of what you credit the Checks with, so Finland could win against the Soviet Union. Swedish-British navy would likely liberate Estonia and maybe more of the Baltic states. If Finland gets so much of Karelia from Russia due to Swedish intervention, I think the Swedes would make Finland give up Swedish-speaking Åland and the Swedish-speaking regions around the Gulf of Bothnia to them. Sweden is much more interested in these areas than in the old Swedish Pomerania. Even so, Finland almost doubles its territory. Finland might also absorb Estonia, which is very close linguistically and culturally. This double-sided Finnish lock on Leningrad's shipping would infuriate the Soviets. If Sweden defends Norway and later liberates Denmark, the old ideals of pan-scandinavianism might resurface, creating strong links and possibly a future union between Sweden, Denmark and Norway. England and France would support this as a way to keep the Soviets in check. Closely allied with Greater Finland, this would actually be a major power. Sweden in itself simply lacks the population to be a major power. You are right in saying Sweden would not be the social democrat utopia Per-Albin Hanson wanted, instead it would be a more authoritarian state similar to Finland of our timeline, more conservative and with larger class divisions. However, over time, I don't think the difference would be that large. Would Stalin attack Japan in this scenario? Perhaps, but he would not be able to take the islands as he would need to keep a sizeable reserve in Europe to guard against the Scandinavian Union and Finland. Perhaps he could take Korea and Manchuria, only to become the enemy of an allied Japan and China. I don't think he'd be that reckless and content himself with minor border adjustments.

This is a good video but i very much doubt the Soviets would be able to invade mainland Japan

Pretty cool :)

Would all of what Stalin annexed in Galicia go to the Ukrainian SSR or would a separate Polish SSR be created?

Destroying Germany this much in a scenario where the war is so short doesn't seem likely to me.

Sweden Will get really good army if that much of Czechoslovak Industry And army moved to Sweden

What if Crassus conquered Parthia alongside Publius They could have took the route of Trajan, the Armenians hated the Parthians and offered Crassus but Crassus didnt trust the Armenians

Bruh… MILLIONS of Czechs magically live and operate in Sweden/Finland with bo regards for logistics?..

You messed up corsica and sardinia on the map. Otherwise nice vid

What if Democratic oe Monarchic Romania joined the commintern?

How the hell did Romania loose Northern Bucovina, Moldova and Budjak to the Soviets

great vid but oml the border gore is real 😭

18:57 sweden could anex estonia after colapse of USSR

Good video but soviet wouldn't invade japan since they aren't at war with the west beacuse there was no pearl harbor no oil embargo and japan didn't took inodchina. meaning they still trade with us so they have resouces to fight china and holding ussr wouldn't be much problem japan would moblize in manchuria and korea and defend manchuria. soviet would struggle much since japan have better navy. Also i think allies would give german lands to poland as a compensation for losing so much lands so they get lands they got in our timeline but they gain even more since they lost more probably but without eastern prussia. France and sweden wouldn't annex anything from germany (maybe saarland for france) sweden would get a lot war reperations and if allies didn't want rihenland to be part of germany than they would make it free state under french protection. Mussolini would want more likely whole austria as a puppet state.

Do pls sweden join the axis what if❤

my man casually gave Læsø to Sweden even though it's a Danish Island

And how the fuck did moldova got independence and ukraine annexed Romanian lands? 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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Too unrealistic for my taste even as a Finn

if they also get pomerania and hamburg better

How about a video What if Germany had a Kaiser loyal, social democrats and Marxist revolution after 43 or the Normandy landings

third social democratic empire

What on earth were those borders lmao. I feel as if there’s a point where giving up plausibility for entertainment just turns the scenario into a comedy.

wait skoda? damnnnnnn

I have an idea for video What if Russia became Fascist and not Communist How would ww2 go And will Germany Become Fascist Or something similar The idea is Fascist Russia

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A video very videoing