Get 20% Off + Free Shipping with promo code “XPERIA” at manscaped.com/xperia #ad The Flood allying with Humanity??? THIS IS LOCO! Or is it...? Today, we find out what would happen to the Halo universe should this insane alliance have been formed...
Flood infection wound... what if flood allied with humans... Oh God it is happening and he is getting us to drop our guard. This is confirmation that the video on if we would survive the flood was just to gather information. This whole thing has been a grand conspiracy and now that I'm on to you, I'd like to ask to be part of a juggernaut just make it work I believe in you.
Hey Xperia I was playing Halo 3, and was thinking about the nuerophysics. So basically what if the reason cortona was 'haunting' us throughout the beginning of the game; is because she's with the gravemind. The gravemind could be using her likeness or her actual self to have what happens happen, to when we ally with the flood. Then it turns on us. I think it orchestrated all key parties arriving to the ark. That's why the gravemind brought high charity too
For the longest time I wondered "Wouldn't it make more sense for the Flood to only target the Covenant in Halo 3 until the rings are no longer an issue?"
That's exactly what happen. Lol once The Gravemind stopped the prophet and brutes from firing on the Ark it literally betrayed us after Arbiter kills the prophet.
I mean yeah that’s why it happened. Twice-ish. Halo 2 the Gravemind helped stop the ring though the flood remained hostile. Halo 3 the flood arrived at the Ark, figured out its purpose, and immediately completely allied with humanity to stop Truth. I’m pretty sure the Gravemind was hostile to humanity after he came into existence because he knew they were the reclaimers of the halos and figured they’d follow in the forerunners footsteps. Humans WERE forerunners up until halo 3/legends
They say fear of the unknown is the greatest thing in horror because you make up whatever you think is scariest This is laughter of the unknown, it’s funny because you can make a movie whatever noise is funniest
The Brutes and Elites would both ally with the humans, though it would probably cause some internal conflict in the alliance as the two former Covenant forces constantly feel like they’re better than the other. Maybe it would start a Covenant civil war regardless except this time, Humanity would be a neutral party
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22:35 With the sheer amount of Flood, ALL the Keymimds, Graveminds, etc all converge on one point and fuse to become...a Precursor. This Precursor essentially absorbs all the flood back into himself and says "Congratulations, this Galaxy is yours to use as you see fit. I will resurrect my kind and continue our work in the rest of the universe. So long, thanks for all the fish". This, of course, leaves humanity utterly baffled. But, they have nothing to complain about either..
I mean yeah the flood's purpose isn't to absorb the universe and then die... it's to reform the precursor that it stems from. Once it manages to do so he just goes home to bring back the other precursors. He's just like "thanks here galaxy's yours bye" and pretty much tosses them the proverbial car keys. i imagine the precursor wouldn't toss them the level of knowledge of the forerunners, of course, i'm sure he's learned his lesson there, but the humans would probably shrug, go home, and celebrate.
I do find the idea fascinating that either the precursors unanimously decided that flesh beings was the best thing to be or that remaining organics was the only way to elude the forerunners. Because they can’t be so powerful (dimensionally transcendent) as to make the idea of the forerunners kicking their ass be laughable but they do have such incredible power or technology to become actual sentient or bio-programmed dust. And the process of them returning SIMPLY MUST require an unfathomable amount of raw genetic material in a big wriggly pile.
Hood and Keys watching the Flood eating Regret's fleet: Hood: Hey, do you get a weird feeling that this is gonna backfire spectacularly? Keyes:....Nah, they're cool.
Only plot hole here is that Cortana actually learns what the Flood is and what they did when she interfaced with the control room in Alpha Halo for the first time. So this would still not happen during CE’s timeline unless she never does it. I mean, the only reason Chief leaves to look for Keyes is because she was shocked by the information she just got. I don’t think she will trust them either even if they showed up as friendlies. I think it would end up similarly to the original, but instead of getting 343 betrayal, it would be the Flood’s.
Cortana would actually have a failsafe plan for whenever the flood attacks humanity. Even if everything goes like Hiddenxperia says I would imagine the failsafe being that Cortana somehow has the index and just activates the rings as a chance to destroy the flood.
another plot hole is that in Halo CE the flood is in their feral stage; there's no Gravemind to control them so they are going off of pure instinct instead of strategy. so forming an alliance would very likely not happen, in Halo CE at least
It makes sense since the Precursors wanted to hand the Mantle of Responsibility to the humans anyway. Wiping out the Covenant prevents the rings from being fired AND punishes them for worshipping the Forerunners. The Precursors get the ultimate revenge on the Foreunners in the end: They wiped themselves out, the rings don't get fired, The Flood teams up with humanity and bestows upon them, The Mantle of Responsibility.
This would make Halo 1 Allied Flood Instantly more hard as new scenarios would have to be created to make your life that much more difficult to keep up with the original game's difficulty
I imagine the "A walk in the woods" theme would play when Chief somehow decides to do a stroll through the library with friendly flood greeting him. A wild thought I know.
With her rampancy and no domain cure, she would probably be deactivated From halo 1-3, she’ll try and convince chief this isn’t the best plan but eventually going along and trusting his choice in supporting the team up
You wanna know what I'd find as a funny what-if scenario: instead of choosing the Forerunners or the ancient humans for the mantle, the Precursors chose another alien race... more notably, the Unggoy; otherwise known as, the grunts.
I like the "What If" scenarios. Siding with Chief is always the call, but you can't blame them for not knowing that until Halo 3. Also, losing the Arbiter is a huge blow. Sill waiting for that "buddy cop" TV series starring the two.
The Precursor’s final test theory must come from him admitting he held back on his attacks on the ancient humans since it wasn’t their time yet. If there’s even the slightest sign of mercy in broader flood behavior from that part, it implies the slimmest chance that the flood’s final state would be a test and rest.
I didn't know what to think of this video before I started. "An invincible force allying up with humanity's unyielding determination? Well, they win. Simple. Very easily in fact." and I guess I was pretty accurate, but I really enjoyed the scene-by-scene done. There's a clear answer, but the road to get to that answer was very enjoyable. Also that bandage on your forehead was never explained.
Holy crap... Imagine this story's final act being with the Banished as the heroes. The Banished are the only major faction left that hasnt been wiped and hasnt fallen for the Flood's trickery. They realize the galaxy is lost, and so the final "game" follows their fight to get to the Ark. Led by Atriox in a Keyes-like position, you play as an innie Spartan 1.1 who joined the Banished after your colony was abandoned by the UNSC. You already mistrusted the UEG after Far Isle, so you ahd the clarity to see the truth. Eventually the Banished fite the array from the Ark, with you hitting the button.
And they make an alliance with the Heretics, since while the know the truth of the halos they probably realize that there was a reason the halos were made all along because they can see it with their own eyes.
Literally two days ago, I was going through the season 5 battlepass and looking at the infected spartan armor effect and wondered if it would be possible for a flood combat form to become independent from the hive because the original host's mind was too powerful to be taken over completely or maybe the medical staff were able to stop or slow the infection before it fully completed somehow. It would be incredibly interesting from a storytelling perspective. A partially infected spartan would be even more powerful than their counterparts. They would probably be deemed too dangerous or too much of a risk to continue regular service however. So it would be interesting to see what that spartan would go on to do in order to continue the efforts for the UNSC, but independent from their spartan company.
Just a small point someone may have mentioned it, but humianty could still win against the flood in this timeline, halo wars still happened and therefore spirt of fire still reaches the ark
Considering the fact that the flood are corrupted precursors, I always wondered how a precursor would react to modern humanity, who had nothing to do with what happened to the precursors
That's the Xalanyn, according to a theory I've been working on. I think they're Precursors that reconstituted themselves, and chose new forms for themselves.
*What if Thel ‘Vadam (the arbiter) was never disgraced?* Would the Heretics still be taken out? Would the arbiter still meet the Gravemind and have enough time to stop Tartarus from activating Delta Halo?
Didn't Generalkidd do a video where it was Sesa Refumee (the Heretic Leader) who got disgraced and had to fight the heretic Thel? Because if you think about it, both were great leaders but Sesa was disgraced and assigned to some gas mining platform where he learned about the Oracle, etc. Thel was disgraced for his failure to protect the rings. But imagine if Sesa went back home to report about the ring while Thel fled to a mining platform to escape being disgraced, found the Oracle...
I think the good ending where the flood lets us live is a really nice one. The bad ending where flood betrays us is just boring as the same end could be in any other,,flood wins scenario". The good ending is more unique.
Chips Dubbo is an eldritch entity. Why else can he be in multiple places at once and even take over the body of a Marine when his voice lines are needed? (No really, play Regret and have a male Marine that isn't Dubbo or a Sergeant. Keep him alive until the first elevator. Then suddenly you'll hear "FULL CAR COMING UP!" when you turn away)
I'm currently writing the script to a fan made flood horror game, in which the big plot twist isn't that the flood ally with humanity, but that a fringe death cult ally with the flood (think unitology meets depopulationism), and how the flood use them as "sleeper cells" to plant "seeds" and start outbreaks inside populated areas across several colonies... it's a WIP haha Awesome video idea! Stay Iconic!
I really thought it would be post human-forerunner war theory. What if, the flood never went after the ancient humans? The humans were afterall supposed inheritors of the mantle and the precursor's main grudge was against the forerunners. Things would be drastically different. How about a video on that?
You know it is a really funny concept of horrors beyond human understanding allying with common humans. I wrote a practice blurb a while back about a setting where a similar to early colonization halo civilization runs into a civilization of essentially xenomorph type aliens which engage in all out war with them. Then in the middle of their greatest battle an immensely powerful eldritch force easily wipes their fleets out forcing humanity and the horrific aliens to work together if they stand any chance of surviving the thing that noticed them.
I honestly don't know what I would think about it because it would remind me of the halo 3 mission when the flood temporary help chief and arbiter and then do full turn and betrayed chief and arbiter and once again the duo saved the galaxy
1:05 I'm sure the Flood, even at that point, had enough infected Covenant hosts that understand human language and still have functional comms gear to start a conversation if they wanted to.
i imagine the unsc+flood will be like the combine from half life. you can have missiles filled with flood infection forms or biomechanical vehicles made from flood biomass piloted by humans
Missiles filled with infection forms? Sounds like spire missiles from Resistance, they started out carrying crawlers, then later transitioned to spinners to enable field transformation of infected humans
In the timeline presented here the flood are too powerful, and they could just easily consume humanity. But in yet another alternative timeline, or even the mantle timeline, I could see humans getting enough "control" over the flood in order to harness it's power without fear of it turning and infecting us. Maybe we could even cure cancer with the Flood lol.
I like the idea at the end about it being the final test for humanity proving themselves capable of holding the Mantle of Responsibility. I want more flood in Halo.
22:14 Just imagine that scene with the Arbiter replaced with a Hologram of the Gravemind and he reveals the full truth and during his speech the flood forms across the galaxy break down into dust. Leaving behind a veritable mass of Covenant tech right on Humanity's doorstep. The test has finally been completed. Humanity is the chosen.
Might be the reason why he even survived in the first place to become The Arbiter. If he was more about the whole death before dishonor thing he would be seen a tragic hero who fought to the end against overwhelming odds and be used a propaganda piece for the Covenant.
Imagine if humans found the hunters first. You know, the worms that make up the scarabs and hunters. Maybe the engineers. You know, Virgil the engineer in ODST?
They did on a few occasions. When Chakas (343 Guilty Spark’s human form) was on Zeta Halo, the flood spared all the humans there while wiping out the forerunners. Then we all remember that one mission in halo 3.
Great video. It touches on some of the questions I've had about Halo's overall plot. Directly related to the video: 01. We know from Cortana in the control room during the "real timeline" that Halo kills the Flood by starving them, but how long does it take to starve them? The flood outbreak that consumes Keyes (or helps humanity in this timeline) has been sitting there for 100K years. Not frozen. No stasis devices like in Librarian flashback terminals. They are just there, not "eating" anything. This folds into a later question not directly related to the video. 02. What were the Flood infecting for 100K years on Delta Halo in order to have combat forms fighting the sentinels, and ultimately, form a Gravemind? If some intelligent, space faring "mystery species" had ever landed on Delta Halo (similar to the still unexplained vessel crash on Alpha Halo in the Anniversary terminals), the Flood would have infected them and commandeered the vessel. They could have escaped Installation 05 and begun infecting various species tens of thousands of years before they had the slightest chance at evading the Flood or fighting them off. 03. As mentioned in the video, the Flood have no problem diving into corpses and using them bolster their forces. What good does wiping out the galaxy do if they are capable of this? Does infecting corpses versus live hosts mean no information is gathered, and they are "starved" of further intelligence? 04. There is mention here of The Flood turning on humans and consuming the galaxy. There have been previous videos about theoretical "flood galaxies", and the "transgalatic stage" is, as far as I know, canon. Do we ever get an exact number on how fast human and Covenant "FTL" ships are? Even 50x light speed would mean a 100,000 year trek to Andromeda, and who knows if they even arrive at a part of the galaxy with life in it. Does the Flood hibernate to avoid starvation? Would they even need to given their timeline on Alpha and Delta Halo? Slightly less related to the video: 01. Rounding back to my initial starvation timeline question: How much time did Truth think he had to excavate the Forerunner portal and get to the Ark? He didn't send Tartarus to fail, and he had no idea about Cortana's "unoriginal" idea to use In Amber Clad to blow up High Charity and Delta Halo, if needed. How long would it have taken a successful activation to hit Earth? 02. Why didn't the Flood use their own slip space portal to attack the "Lesser Ark" (Installation 00) 100,000 years earlier during their war with the Forerunner? They were perfectly capable of wrecking the "Greater Ark" and knocking the twelve ring array down to seven, with no "Omega" Halos remaining? 03. What species occupy the habitable worlds 25,000 light years in every direction from Alpha Halo? Did Chief and Cortana inadvertently create a "safety void" where the Flood could find hosts after a successful firing of the remaining six rings in the array? Disclaimer: I've played every mainline Halo game, but not the spin off RTS games. I've read a few books, including Greg Bear's Forerunner trilogy, Fall of Reach, Ghosts of Onyx, Glasslands, and The Thursday War, but that seems to account for less than a quarter of all Halo books at this point. I don't read comic books, but I'm familiar with how Didact actually "died" from channels like this. I watch the show, but I know that counts for Grunt doo doo in actual lore discussions. 😂. Any gaps in my knowledge are entirely a byproduct of the extended multimedia universe simply being too damn much to keep up with. 😅
Now I can’t get the mental image of Sergeant Johnson hugging a god-dammed infection form and I am blaming you for it, HiddenXperia! Jokes aside, if you want to do a What If series, may I suggest some ideas? + What If the UNSC found Installation 04 or some other Halo in the early stages or during the middle stages of the Human-Covenant War? + What If the Sangheili (Elites) found out about the Truth of the Great Journey and allied with Humanity before the Fall of Reach? + What If the UNSC discovered a Forerunner Shield World or technologies in their territories during the Human-Covenant War?
I think after dominating, instead of turning on each other humanity would do sacrifices to the flood like the imperium does to the emperor in warhammer
I feel like we would win in the end. Oni more than likely would spend the time Allied with the flood, researching them and their potential weaknesses. Then of course, once the flood inevitably turned, oni would have set like a dozen plans in motion to wipe them out. Even if the flood reached interstellar stage, humanity did have access to planet busting weapons (confirmed in halo: envoy) so all those flood consumed colonies would just be annihilated.
Here’s one that always made me wonder. What If: The Chief and Arbiters destinations in Gravemind and Uprising were switched. So you’d have Arbiter starting a revolution or giving Truth a legitimate reason to declare war on the sangheilli. Following that with Chief having to navigate through the civil war on the rings surface
Imagine if they find the Didact in this timeline. Getting woken up by humans of all things that are surrounded by the Flood who are apparently all friendly with each other as well as having the Flood in control of multiple Halo rings.
I saw the Halo CE developer commentary recently and they talked about how in an early stage Cortana would become completely insane because of all the information and power she finds in the Halo network and would then start to take over Halo and the Universe. I would've been down for that. But only if the Master Chief would just go "Alright, I guess I will enforce your will" and you start fighting against all other factions. And in the end Cortana allies with two other AIs called GLaDOS and SHODAN. But as one of the developers said as the answer to the question "What happened to that story?" - "It was too good".
There is also the possibility that the Spirit of Fire would still arrive at the ark and find out about the massive flood outbreak and remotely fire the halo array
Man I’m 2 minutes in and other than the moment in halo 3 I don’t think it would be possible while they are in the feral stage. And even Master Chief felt bad for the covenant and terrified, legit terrified when he first saw an infected elite. I can’t imagine Mendoza or another marine just being cool with them.
Ngl think that second ending makes more sense since it would mean that the precursors were still truly there just not im the form im sure many of us want
I think the flood would have a bit more trouble with infecting ships than in the video, they would probably lose many of them during engagements, especially when fighting the Wattinree fleet.
Next video idea: How would things play out with a speed runner with future knowledge and can get outside of maps and use the sword lunge from miles away and finishes the entire thing in under 2 hours lol
Why is there 0 ZERO, Nothing and Nada For Campaign or DLC the ten years' of the praised years for Halo content are nearly over... Or at least a long time with nothing.(im not the MP player mostly so) Thanks for your content btw.
Another What If; What if the precursor's final test happens to be humanity sparing the flood, if an eventual flood upon the galaxy occurs and humanity overcomes the parasite.
Hey man great vid, if you fancy anymore what if ideas, I reckon a 'What If Noble 6 got off Reach' would be pretty neat, interesting to see the story implications for Halo CE and where they'd be deployed afterwards. Keep up the great work dude, been watching loads of your stuff while playing Halo recently.
One of the more poetic moments of halo 3 was the momentary alliance with the flood to deal with a more immediate threat. I'd like to find us in that situation again.
So basically if the flood weren’t corrupted and closer to their precursor form?? Like imagine if the flood regained their original precursor intentions such as instilling the mantle to humanity.
Like some people have pointed out, what is Cortana doing during all this? Cortana would tell chief that the floods not good, so chief would probably end up AWOL, MIA or dead. Only away this would work is if master chief never went back to the control room and got cortana or ends up not believing her (which is unlikely). I also believe it make more sense for the flood to target humanity, considering we're the only ones who can activate forerunner technology.
The hard thing about this happening is that it takes place during the feral stage, the stage where they don’t have a central intelligence. Therefore, i dont know how viable it is for the flood to make intelligent decisions like this. But, fun video either way :)
Fun scenario but there are a few plot holes. 1. The flood that attacked Keyes and Johnson's crew were in their Feral stage so they wouldn't have even had a Proto-Gravemind at that point to do any sort of talking and negotiations. What about Cortana? The reason she sent Chief to the swamp was because she uncovered data about the flood inside the Control center. She would most definitely protest this whole "alliance" knowing exactly how grave a threat the flood poses. As for Thel Vadam, he had ordered the carriers to shoot down any ship they thought was infected after the outbreak in the swamp. Idk man its a fun what if, but theres just soo many liberties to the lore that have to be taken in order for this to even be plausible.
