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What if the Nationalists won the Chinese Civil War (Alt History) 

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What if the Nationalists under Chiang Kai-shek won the Civil War?
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ATTENTION: Any Comments that are Rude, Antagonizing or down right Racist will be removed. This video is Fiction, nor does it represent my view on how China should be today. Again THIS IS FICTION, and secondly it is made for fun and the focus is not for realism. please use common sense before commenting and please be courteous to your fellow Humans

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@ArcadiusHistory
@ArcadiusHistory 2 года назад
I have a Discord where you can receive better notifications and updated on my future Videos, Join by clicking the Link Here - discord.gg/cnDjQSC ATTENTION: Any Comments that are Rude, Antagonizing or down right Racist will be removed. This video is Fiction, nor does it represent my view on how China should be today. Again THIS IS FICTION, and secondly it is made for fun and the focus is not for realism. please use common sense before commenting and please be courteous to your fellow Humans
@pomernguy1835
@pomernguy1835 2 года назад
I need to say that it's very good video! I also think that the Kuomintang wouldn't be able to fully win the Chinese Civil War, because the Soviets wouldn't allow to have an anti-Soviet China right on their border. But yeah, the loss of a sizeable chunk of land would've certainly make a huge blow to the popularity of Chiang Kai-shek, as he would fail to conquer all of the territories that China had before the Warlord Era. The regime transformation from authoritarianism to somewhat a democracy would've been inevitable, as the more militaristic wing of Kuomintang wouldn't have a big popularity in the time of peace (especially after the death of Chiang Kai-shek).
@sweetcandysugaarmy8480
@sweetcandysugaarmy8480 2 года назад
I think Chiang's biggest problem is that he wasn't as charismatic as Sun Yat Sen, and instead of winning the hearts and minds of the Chinese, he used brute force and cruel policies to demand compliance from his citizens. This made many Chinese hate him, and support Mao instead.
@pomernguy1835
@pomernguy1835 2 года назад
@@sweetcandysugaarmy8480 Indeed! Chiang was also a military man and China under his rule was authoritarian, so even after KMT abandoned mainland China, Chiang ruled Republic of China to his death in 1975.
@sweetcandysugaarmy8480
@sweetcandysugaarmy8480 2 года назад
@@pomernguy1835 If Chiang was a kinder and more understanding leader and didn't rule with an Iron Fist, the majority of the peasants will support him as the KMT was tried and tested and has proven its worth by freeing China from Imperial Rule, rather than embrace Mao's Communism, which is a foreign concept from Russia, and will be suspicious of Mao instead. The peasants flocked to Mao as a way to escape Chiang's cruel and incompetent rule. I read that in the era where Taiwan was occupied by the fleeing KMT, the Taiwanese Army was very badly organized and Conscipts were treated very poorly. Overrall, it can be safe to say that Chiang was an important factor that lead to the KMT permanently losing control over Mainland China.
@pomernguy1835
@pomernguy1835 2 года назад
@@sweetcandysugaarmy8480 True! Chiang indeed made decisions that led to the victory of Mao in mainland China.
@sweetcandysugaarmy8480
@sweetcandysugaarmy8480 2 года назад
@@pomernguy1835 What a pity. The KMT would have won if 1: Sun Yat Sen didn't die suddenly, and convinced the majority of China to unite and defeat Mao's army. 2: Sun chose a much more competent and non- power hungry successor who would retain the respect of the citizens, and lead KMT to victory. The Chinese Civil War is mainly a war among Chinese Peasants with different ideologies. The USSR and US merely gave logistical support to their preferred parties, and kept their troop deployment to the minimum. Chiang lead to the the utter failure of the KMT in the war, despite the US providing them with superior weapons than the Soviets and the KMT army outnumbering Mao's before the Long March. This is why the Taiwanese regarded Sun and not Chiang as the Father of the Nation.
@Nietmeg
@Nietmeg 2 года назад
Nice video, interesting theories! thanks
@christoferrodriguez7672
@christoferrodriguez7672 2 года назад
Ah yes his back 😎Arcadius is a creative of alternative history nice 👍🏼
@sweetcandysugaarmy8480
@sweetcandysugaarmy8480 2 года назад
I know that America and the West were not so keen on being involved with China pre WW2 Era. Listen to this: what if Chiang Kai Shek made a friendship pact with Hitler and Emperor Hirohito instead of Stalin during WW2? After all, Chiang was the official liasion with the Soviets and not Mao.6It will be similiar with how the King of Thailand made a friendship pact with the Emperor of Japan where Thailand allows free movement of Japanese troops through Thailand and providing food and medicine to Japanese troops, in return for Japan not invading and occupying Thailand. With the help of Nazi and Japanese troops, Chiang could easily crush Mao's army and set up concentration camps to stamp out any trances of Communism among the Chinese. Of course, the Soviet Union will not be pleased about this and will attack China. But with Japanese troops pouring into Russia from both China and Nazi troops from the Western front, Russia will have a very hard time fighting against both fronts. After WW2, Democratic China could sign a military alliance with the US and allow them to put Military bases in China. China will then be invited to join NATO. Without a rich and powerful China supporting Russia economically and militarily, Putin won't be able to build up the Russian Army so well and use it to invade Ukraine today.
@Barry.Age63
@Barry.Age63 8 месяцев назад
We got an expert here
@tanapatyangkaew4649
@tanapatyangkaew4649 2 года назад
Legend is back
@Ali-bu6lo
@Ali-bu6lo 2 года назад
There a few things that don't make sense. Inner Mongolia is majority Han and I see no reason why it wouldn't be here as well given that Hans had been migrating to that territory for a long time and a nationalist military dictatorship that has lost lots of lands will send settlers there. Given that the Korean war was drawn to a stalemate because of the large Chinese armies, I can't see North Korea surviving the war.
@ArcadiusHistory
@ArcadiusHistory 2 года назад
Fair enough. but lets say that didnt happen, becuase it's alt history 👀
@aluminium5738
@aluminium5738 2 года назад
@@ArcadiusHistory That, to me, isn't really a valid argument.
@ArcadiusHistory
@ArcadiusHistory 2 года назад
@@aluminium5738 aight.
@some_unknown_random5668
@some_unknown_random5668 2 года назад
North korea could still have survived as we don't know how the soviets would have reacted if Manchuria wasn't able to protect korea. You shouldn't forget that we already had two nuclear powers when the Korean War started so the soviets still could have enforced a stillmate(besides being in the UN security council, since they wouldn't been protesting about the question about Chinas identity, they could have also stopped the intervention of the UN leaving SK and the US alone against NK, Manchuria and the USSR)
@Ali-bu6lo
@Ali-bu6lo 2 года назад
@@some_unknown_random5668 As far as I remember the US had way more nukes than the USSR in 1950 to 1953.
@thedoctorairsoft6813
@thedoctorairsoft6813 2 года назад
Martial law was only used by the Republic after they fled to Taiwan. In this alternative time line the Republic would never have put in Martial law as in this timeline the Republic was not forced back to it's very last fortress with the threat of invasion looming over their heads. However not bad video
@ArcadiusHistory
@ArcadiusHistory 2 года назад
Well this time it was imposed to ensure the reign of the General Dictators. Martial law in this has a valid reason for being imposed, atleast to me.
@thedoctorairsoft6813
@thedoctorairsoft6813 2 года назад
@@ArcadiusHistory I must have missed that. My mistake
@ArcadiusHistory
@ArcadiusHistory 2 года назад
@@thedoctorairsoft6813 no worries.
@jeremybeauvais4918
@jeremybeauvais4918 2 года назад
Great video Great work
@ArcadiusHistory
@ArcadiusHistory 2 года назад
Thanks!
@jeremybeauvais4918
@jeremybeauvais4918 2 года назад
@@ArcadiusHistory keep up the great work 👍
@commonmapper8528
@commonmapper8528 2 года назад
Amazing alternate history!
@Dock284
@Dock284 2 года назад
Question: When the Soviets collapsed in 1991 what happened to Manchuria? Did they become their own thing like the other SSR's?
@ArcadiusHistory
@ArcadiusHistory 2 года назад
They'd become their own thing. the video states they're a Hardline Maoist state stuck in Isolation with North Korea.
@HamzaShafiq629
@HamzaShafiq629 2 года назад
As always, this video is epic! Btw I have some ideas you should use like making an alternative history of the Mughal empire and an alternative history of the Omani empire. Plus, I think you should make a second channal "Aracdius Future" a channal focused in alternative future.
@socialistmapper3060
@socialistmapper3060 2 года назад
If u can, u should make another video on the ruthenian universe. That timeline is really cool. Love your vids btw!
@Jordaniantrex
@Jordaniantrex Год назад
Please make one about the nation of Jordan, it’s a small middle eastern state in the southern levant. I would love to see an alternative history of it as I have not seen any alternative history videos about Jordan
@joshuawaldorf9559
@joshuawaldorf9559 2 года назад
Very good timeline theory.
@falido.5374
@falido.5374 2 года назад
The next video could be about Russian Madagascar
@GoodVideos4
@GoodVideos4 2 года назад
Decades ago I thought of, and drew, a map of how I thought that Nationalist China should have at least been. It was quite similar to that map in the last part of the video. But, was less territory, without that part at the north west.
@Zelgah
@Zelgah Год назад
When will you make a new video?
@falido.5374
@falido.5374 2 года назад
what if the taiping rebellion had succeeded?
@user-oi3jk4qo9j
@user-oi3jk4qo9j 2 года назад
Can u do thai alt history too pls but in 3 Version 1 Not got colonized and still hold land (Just don't them being OP) 2 Colonized by British 3 ya France
@ltb_cool
@ltb_cool 2 года назад
noice
@umCara_aleatorio
@umCara_aleatorio Год назад
Alternate history of Dutch empire and Dutch Brazil pls
@seanchernov7178
@seanchernov7178 Год назад
One of the best China alt history I seen. Also the best ending, basically similar to Taiwan but more people, territory and general positive influence on the world stage (unlike our timeline).
@ionobedoza1090
@ionobedoza1090 2 года назад
Did the British give back Hong Kong?
@ArcadiusHistory
@ArcadiusHistory 2 года назад
of all th things I forgot to put in the video... yeah they'd return it in this timeline, it'd be essentially given a special city status on par with being its own province.
@motorbrain6349
@motorbrain6349 2 года назад
Can you do if america got into a 2nd civil war
@ArcadiusHistory
@ArcadiusHistory 2 года назад
I'll add it to my list.
@motorbrain6349
@motorbrain6349 2 года назад
@@ArcadiusHistory bet
@apollo268
@apollo268 Год назад
Can you do alternate history of lebanon when starting from 1861, or 1630, or 1914, or 1943?
@thatoneslushieaddict
@thatoneslushieaddict Год назад
and then when the world needed him most he vanished
@ArcadiusHistory
@ArcadiusHistory Год назад
I'll get back to doin this... Some day eventually
@ArcadiusHistory
@ArcadiusHistory Год назад
@@Diffy_name Working fulltime at the moment, and not having access to my mental health medication just makes the things I loved doing just not enjoyable anymore. I ain't got time and I just dont have a drive to do it.
@thatoneslushieaddict
@thatoneslushieaddict Год назад
@@ArcadiusHistory well if and when you get better, we’ll still be here
@starman825
@starman825 2 года назад
Hmm could this be the start of a nationalist world alternate universe
@ArcadiusHistory
@ArcadiusHistory 2 года назад
probably not. I have too many universes running around at the moment
@ArcadiusHistory
@ArcadiusHistory 2 года назад
which, also, dedicating a whole series to a horrid ideology isn't something I'd really wanna do. so even more unlikely to do that.
@starman825
@starman825 2 года назад
@@ArcadiusHistory ah ok then well I meant something like the White Russians winning and south Vietnam and South Korea and possibly a confederate victory
@ArcadiusHistory
@ArcadiusHistory 2 года назад
@@starman825 Well I have done both the first and the last suggesstion, but I'll add South Vietnam and South korea to my list!
@starman825
@starman825 2 года назад
@@ArcadiusHistory yeah I watched the confederacy one does that really count as the confederacy at that point
@JustinianG
@JustinianG Год назад
Wanna do a collaboration?
@librafrankie
@librafrankie 2 года назад
Would Covid 19 have even happened at all?
@ArcadiusHistory
@ArcadiusHistory 2 года назад
probably.
@sweetcandysugaarmy8480
@sweetcandysugaarmy8480 2 года назад
@@ArcadiusHistory or it might not. The Communist government allows the consumption of dog meat and other wild life. But the more Western minded KMT bans it.
@ArcadiusHistory
@ArcadiusHistory 2 года назад
@@sweetcandysugaarmy8480 Western Minded KMT also resides over an island nation of 23.5 million and not a sub-continent of a Billion. while im not a fan of the CCP it's not like they're able to have an iron grip on every aspect of society, especially with 150 million malnourished letting people eat unconventional food is a solution to it. should there have been oversight, yes, but I dont think a Change in government is going to change governmental Bloat and corruption, especially as the KMT And CCP aren't stellar when it came to historical corruption.
@sweetcandysugaarmy8480
@sweetcandysugaarmy8480 2 года назад
@@ArcadiusHistory I read that the Chinese (even President Xi himself) respected Sun Yat Sen for being a revolutionary who ended China's Imperial rule. But the KMT start to lose popularity ever since Chiang took Leadership, as many say that he is corrupt, cruel and incompetent.
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