What if we DO Get Sonic Adventure 3? And is Sonic Frontiers Preparing us for it? 

I think an SA1/SA2 remake is important for SA3. Sonic Team is currently like a “Ship of Theseus,” and the people making up the company have changed a lot over the years. The developers need to know how to make an Adventure game and understand the essence of an Adventure game. As you mentioned, character trajectory is definitely an important thing. A lot of the existing cast have already gone through their growth, so I think it would be cool to focus on less developed characters or a new setting. There are a ton of characters that have been abandoned or are currently very shallow that could be fleshed out by giving the character one’s own story such as in the original Adventure game. It could also be an opportunity to modernize Classic-locked characters and past one-off antagonists. We could also have a game set in the Sol Dimension, which I recall only appearing in Rush Adventure (wait a minute…). It’s definitely a setting that has room for fleshing out and room to introduce new characters specific to the Sol Dimension

I think they should redo the story of Silver for SA3. It just seems fitting for the third adventure installment to have their third hedgehog.

Easiest thing to do would be to get a development team who honestly understands what fans love about the Adventure titles.

All Sega needs to make a bunch of money is make a Chao World mobile game. Chao World was extremely ahead of its time.

Honestly, these are questions I’ve asked myself. The Main problem is how they are going to act on it. There is so much that could go wrong. I’ve imagined what a SA3 would be like.unfortunately, I don’t know if Sega and Sonic Team are willing to do it. The gameplay has changed and the elements that were in the adventure games are gone. The characters are hollow shells of what they were in the adventure era. They have problems with communication and how we know if they screw people like stealth. Honestly, until they have the confidence and they show it in their actions. I don’t care if they have a desire. If they say that they will make a SA3 . Do it, and show that you believe in the true potential of this game.

My thoughts on what an Adventure style GAMEPLAY might look like: Sonic - high speed boost gameplay, more of what we love in games like unleashed's daytime stages and colors Knuckles - focuses on exploration and combat through similar stages like in sonic 3, where we see how knuckles is a master of finding shortcuts and taking down enemies in a blazing spectacle of our favorite echidna warrior Tails - focuses on speed and platforming using vertical level design. all those parts of sonics stages that make you go "man wish I had tails here", but now you get it with some extra challenges thrown in the mix to benefit our blue blurs' prolific protege Shadow - Like sonics high speed stages, but with super intense combat like in frontiers & the DMC series Rouge - plays similar to knuckles, a focus on exploration and Stealth. kind of like metal gear with more vertical options in open-zone stages to show off why rouge is the best treasure hunter/spy extraordinaire! Amy - a time-attack high speed gameplay like a modified style like shadow surprisingly, with a focus on impressive combat as well as harder to get S rank emphasizing the need for effective gameplay and speed (this is the games secret hard mode, with displaying how much Amy Rose has grown from her fangirl years) Silver - a strange mix of "what if tails could boost?", focusing on tight platforming and high speed flying combat like those airplane dogfight games with everything we love of the "let's just boost in the air and zoom" we get from modern boost games Blaze - boost gameplay with amazing combat set peices to really hammer home how much blaze is an amazing fighter. she has fire powers, let's really make her use them in a way that leaves us going "holy heck that's so cool" Omega (and/or Eggman) play like a kind of interesting kind of action shooter like in 06 and the adventure games, with a splash of that awesome combat we see In games like sonic heros to really nail down how powerful these characters are The Chaotics Detective Agency - I really somehow think a metal gear kind of idea would be VERY interesting to see, with a focus on Stealth and exploration being the golden goose here? seeing them again would be great we love our boys Conclusion - I personally think the 'adventure' style of game really boils down to "these characters exist independently of one another, and have their own significant stories taking place". These characters are all amazing in their own right, and it's when they eventually team up in one another's crossing stories is when we all scream and cheer. As for plot, I think a continuation of Frontiers's plot would be a good way to go about things, with each characters caught up in their own plot thread, then finally converging near the climax of the story. I think seeing the return of the super forms of characters like: (tails, knuckles,shadow, blaze, silver) at different points in the story would be mighty cool, and then seeing all of them share that power to overcome a larger than life antagonist would be really awesome to wrap things up, while characters like (amy, rouge, omega, eggman) play a significant role in things like coordination of allies and strategy (with Omega getting a very fun final stage where the goal is "go nuts, destroy everytbing" would be very true to his character in an empowering and endearing way) thank you for reading my tedtalk, if you read it at all

I like to think that since the 3rd movie is being based on SA2 around 2024 they're gonna do something Adventure related (i hope remakes), C'mon SEGA you're sitting on a gold mine right there I do have a wishlist for what a SA3 could be Character exclusive stages Sonic and Amy - Open ended SA1 stages Tails and Cream - Near platformless stages but with some sections where you need to look around for keys and switches Shadow and Blaze - Action focused linear stages Omega - Mech shooting with his fast movility and Heroes' combat Knuckles and Rouge - Treasure Hunting with everything like SA2 but when getting 50 rings all pieces are shown in the radar thus encouraging to play smart and careful to hunt rings and not lose them The story is a whole other beast, i did write a concept on a Facebook group some time ago (Oh God what i have become) Didn't include Silver since... time traveling and the Chaotix i would like more an open world mission game for the detective gang

I think at this stage a remaster of the original two would be the best place to start, and then 3 could come after that once the base has been laid. Perhaps just have the Adventure series as their own canon to get around the games that came after. Maybe take elements of the 06 story (by that I mean Shadow and Silver!), and just pick up right after SA2 and go from there. Great video as always!

As a person who really likes the narrative and story parts of Sonic games, Shiro Maekawa is an amazing legend and I hope he comes back one day. That is also why I absolutely love the Persona series, the story told through great characters is something else. I wonder, have you played a Persona game before? If not, I strongly recommend them, specially if you love proper storytelling and character development. Regarding Sonic Adventure 3, I think SEGA needs to test the waters first with Frontiers, and build from that base until we get a worthy sequel. Great video as always!

for sonic adventure 3 to make sense they would say it takes place in a universe where every sonic game that came after sonic adventure 2 didn't happen that way they could find a good way to reintroduce shadow after his death and silver and blaze. it's like an alternate universe.

If adventure 3 had happened somewhere around in the 2000s then i think they could have pulled it off. Now though? No not really they've dropped the ball too hard with the recent generation of games. Besides almost all of the people who worked on the adventure games are gone and I don't think Sega would try to get any of them back to do adventure 3.

Honestly, for me, SA3 would have to be a soft reboot back to the ending on SA2. One thing that I wish Sega would explore is Sonic's and Shadow's implied connection. I know the leading theory is that Shadow is based on the Super Sonic mural on Angel Island, but there's so much that could be explored.

I feel it's just the other Characters and Playstyles that we miss, the adventure playstyle is kinda like 2d era becoming a full 3d space with everyone to have their parts to the story that eventually have everyone meeting at the same point of destination the Emeralds having strong connections the most narratives in the series. And Chao Garden. Adventure fan just miss it so much and feel left out, at least that's how I feel. Is anyone else feel the same?

One of the most important things is the chao garden

In terms of what characters would be playable in SA3, I’d love to see Tangle & Whisper from the IDW comics. Whisper could act as a successor to Gamma/SA2’s shooting stages, but her various wispon abilities could add some variety to the combat. As for Tangle, maybe her stages could be parkour-focused, with her using her tail to swing around and outmaneuver badniks (idk, just a rough idea). I know this is super unlikely to happen, but so is Sonic Adventure 3 in general. A girl can dream :P

I feel like sa3 would only work if there were remakes of sa 1 and 2

Whatever Sonic game comes next, they should make Blaze a playable character again (and eventually Silver for redemption). The Sonic Rush games were some of my first Sonic games and I loved them and that the stories of Blaze and Sonic were complementary to each other.

To be honest I think it’s far to late for adventure 3, at this point its been 20 years of expectations and dreams built up that making SA3 would only do more harm than any possible good. However a spiritual successor to the adventure games would be a better alternative since there would be zero built up expectations for the game. They had their chance back in the 2000s and didn’t pull the trigger.

I think the best bet would be to just do a remake/remaster of sa1 and sa2! Both the Adventure games had a certain attitude about them that (for better or worse) aren't with the series anymore.

You make great point with how even though we see other characters Sonic is the only one that dose anything, and the structure of the game would need.

excellent video, but wow did you have to make me cry at the end with the final scene music from sa2?

What I would hope for in a SA3 is they bring back the impact of the story and the sad endings just like SA2. And I know this won't happen if they make an SA3 but I want Sega to bring back the old voice actors. And I really hope they don't make the writing full of the jokes that Sonic has now. Because in the adventure era he had such a good character and amazing writing and overall was just cool. But now he has to crack a bad joke every 10 seconds. Don't get me wrong I love meta games like Sonic Generations but if they want an SA3 they have to have 1: Good writing 2: An impactful story 3: More serious tone. SA3 would be so important for Sonic because if they get it right then it will be an amazing game. But if they get it wrong it would probably ruin the reputation of sonic and he doesn't even have a good reputation anyways after Sonic 06. If they get SA3 wrong Sonic would probably just be history because the Adventure era is such in important thing to so many people and if they get it wrong all of the fans that have been sticking around since the Adventure era would probably leave and a lot of other fans would leave aswell. If they make an SA3 it better be good because if it's not Sega and Sonic might not be there for long after it.

I love shadow, rouge and gamma as my top picks and I hope dr.eggman will plot something big!

personally for a new adventure 3 game I would want to have the main hedgehog trio come back (they are 3 like the title) and others characters to come back and there is a lot of room for a good plot with this especially the ones with a planetary/universe power level main villain. I think that instead of introducing new characters they schould use the ones they already have because there's a lot of them and i recommand you to check a video which is called my pitch for sonic adventure 3 from lightning2153 and it is awesome (but i don't like what he did with silver (underutilised) I would want to know your opinion on this video and what he describes for the gamplay of the characters. and good content ad usual keep up the awesome work ace !

Playable characters? Tails, Knuckles,Amy,Shadow, Rouge,Silver,( because he needs a second chance) Blaze, Cream and maybe Marine( gotta see those water powers evolve)

Easy. It would take place after Shadow The Hedgehog because modern and adventure Sonic are different. The creator of 06 said that it’s a Sonic Rebirth and that it they are going back more than 15 years to remake the speed that made the character a legend and it’s called Sonic The Hedgehog.

Sonic and Tails R is the closest thing to a Sonic Adventure 3 story we're going to get for now. And as it stands, I don't trust Sonic Team enough to make an SA3. But if Frontiers is good, MAYBE I would want them to try SA and SA2 remakes. Then SA3.

I feel like Sega just says Sonic Adventure 3 to get people to buy there games to be honest.

Well, to talk about the opportunity of SA3 to exist we first need to ask if Sega will be willing to quit the mandates on how to write certain characters, I'm gonna be honest, if Shadow (to give an example) appears in Frontiers I don't think he will change, all just thanks to Sega's mandates, doesn't matter wich writer comes in, if the mandates stay the writing won't be much better

Personally, I first need to see some proof they can do justice to the spirit of the Adventure games before even attempting an Adventure 3, because right now, with how the games have been treated as far as story and characters, and the bits I've heard about them retconning things even in the comic over and over, heck even their stance on where CD takes place on the timeline has flip flopped over and over through the years. I want to believe they have an internal timeline and bible on how things are, but all the evidence says otherwise so I can't trust them yet. Also, just because we don't have Pontac and Graff anymore, doesn't mean the games will magically be better story-wise. They only localized the games and added in some extra jokes for the English speaking audience, they didn't direct the games we've been getting, they didn't write the story or what the outline was, they were given a pile of script ideas and plot points and were told "make it work", heck that's what happened with Ian when he had to write the prequel comics for Forces. And none of the ideas were even referenced or used in the final game outside of a handful of things, heck nothing was even expanded on, just look at Infinite. His entire reason for joining Eggman was simply "I'm bored of peace, oh this magic rock can help me make the world burn? Sure I'll join your side, even though I, as THE ULTIMATE merc, was about to raid your base for stuff to sell on some kind of black market." Then suddenly it went "I got beat by this black hedgehog! Time to forgo my entire identity because of one fight, even going so far as to put on a new mask with a voice changer to seem mysterious and so he cant recognize me when we meet again due to going through genetic experiments, maybe, and not even hold a grudge against him for longer than the prequel DLC."

I’d love for SA3 to finally happen. And as for its place in the timeline, I’m torn between whether or not I’d want it to take place after SA2, and have a post-credits scene leading up to Heroes. Or if it should pick up where Unleashed and Black Knight left off.

I hope I'm first or not but here my comment ace card gaming about sonic adventure 3 and I love to see the characters in more heroic roles and to tell their stories like tails, gamma and silver and I love to see that game in 2024 before sonic movie 3 hits theaters!

I just want my boy shadow to be playable and his characterization to be fixed

Quite frankly, Sonic Adventure 3 wouldn’t feel right without Ryan Drummond or David Humphrey. Mike Pollock would obviously be fine since Deen Bistro is gone, and Mike has been a worthy successor.

I was hoping for a remake of SA1 but alright.

Personally, I really don't want Sonic Adventure 3 to be made (yet). Looking at Sega's track record and the community's expectations of a SA3, it would highly (and I mean HIGHLY) likely be a suicide mission. Even if they knew what made both Sonic Adventure games so likeable and well received, the unrealistic yet high expectations would kill it as well as Sonic Team's great chance of lacking awareness. Nowadays, I feel like some "hardcore" Sonic fans see "Sonic Adventure 3" nothing more than a title in which it would be the "savior" of the franchise when I'm right here believing the total opposite. I firmly stand that in order for a Sonic game to be deserving of SA3, it has to be *earned* by expanding, evolving, building, and adding upon what made the Adventure era/formula games so good (or at the very least, what made both Sonic Adventure games well received), not given for what it's NOT.

If they just limit it to 3 or 4 playable characters (Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy) and make them compelling, it could work. No more coward Tails, stupid Knuckles, and lovesick Amy.

If they ever do make sonic adventure 3 they'll have to explain why the moon is fully intact

As much as I desperately want SA3, I know it can never hit that same magic. As faithful to the characters as they get, as many writers as they bring back, SA1 and 2 were basically miracles, lightning in a bottle, and from that point onwards the bottle broke and we started using different vessels to try and catch it again.

Frontiers story looks promising at least probs will be best since unleashed

Here’s what I think is the biggest issue (apart from corporate red flags of course) how do you define “The Perfect Sonic Adventure 3”? Should the game Retcon everything postsonic adventure 2? Should be working with the current lore? Should I bring back former voice actors or keep the current ones? Simply put what might be a perfect game to someone would be a disappointment to another. So I think it would be better for them to make a game in the style of Sonic Adventure but don’t call it Sonic Adventure 3 but instead treated as its own thing.

"there were no cameos" biig the cat and NiGHTS

Sonic Adventure 3 is essentially the "Half Life 3 of Sonic" now. And as such, I do not think that it could ever live up to the mountainous expectations such a game would have at this point. Sonic Adventure 3 would be, I think, the most important Sonic game... possibly since Adventure 1 or Colours. Messing up a game called "Sonic Adventure 3" would break people's trust in SEGA completely, I think. As you said: if they cannot guarantee that they'd do it right, they should not do it at all. This is the one game that they quite literally could not afford to screw up. If Sonic 06's failure has had this much of an effect on the series even to this day, I cannot imagine how destructive a bad Adventure 3 would be on the franchise. I personally don't mind not ever getting an Adventure 3 because, as I've alluded to, I can handle having no Adventure 3 much better than having a bad Adventure 3. They get one chance... and they've already messed up in a similar position with Sonic the Hedgehog 4. It's sad to say but I do not have faith in the current Sonic Team to deliver a worthy Sonic Adventure 3, and SEGA's attitude towards Sonic recently has only made me even less confident in their ability to pull it off. But even if they COULD pull it off, as I said at the beginning of this essay masquerading as a comment, I don't think that anything they could give us could satisfy the unreal expectations that much of the community has of such a game now. Sonic Adventure 3 has become practically mythical. If anyone thinks that expectations for Frontiers or Origins were high, they won't be able to comprehend how much scrutiny a Sonic Adventure 3 would be under. That said - regardless of Frontiers' role in the future of Sonic - for an Adventure 3 to even be on the table, successful remakes/remasters of Adventure 1 and 2 are essential trials for the team. They have to prove that they can and WILL do it right first. In my opinion. Great video as always, Mark. I am looking forward to the next one, as always.

I don't think current Sonic team should do an "SA3" cus these aren't the same ppl with same experience & expertise with that overall style to make it work. If they did I feel it would need a TON of roundabout prepping SEGA prob wouldn't be willin to go through with all the way. If they did they'd need to do the Adventure remakes first INCLUDING Shadow/06 that fully embrace and heighten the original points of those games WITHOUT makin drastic changes that go against them and WILL need the help of ppl who still understand ALL those games to their very core from story to characters to gameplay as guides for proper direction for all parts. As for SA3 itself I feel 06 is prob the best place to pull from for MOST fronts & u could still incorporate boost in parts of the game or even make a character specific style. I'd have to go on a whole thing on how I feel all that could be done but that'll be too long so I'll jus say for boost specifically the 06 mach stages were just one of MANY precursors to the boost so an Adventure style game with it somewhere couldn't not work. Frontiers seems to be the closest to what I want out of a 3D sonic but I don't feel I would use that as a true template like with 06 mainly cus I think it really is trying to do so much of its own thing

If only SA3 is the metal virus arc!

Bring back the hub Worlds and open world aspects from Sonic Adventure. Station Square,Mystic Ruins, The Jungle, and bring back Chaos bring back Shadow let me play as Tails Knuckles and Amy again maybe a new playable character.

The Sonic Advanced 3D fangame is perfect for SA3 and if Blaze were to be in SA3, she should play just like that having a fire based Boost

They should make the remakes have the characters have realistic fur. Sonic Adventure was trying to go for a realistic look.

My ideal Sonic Adventure 3 already exist, and it's not a game: Sonic X The Metarex Saga (Japanese version)

my biggest fear is them even doing it i think sa3 is just the bigfoot of the sonic series. do we want it sure but it has so much disaster potential just because it’s sa3

Even though Iizuka has said countless times over the years that he would like to make Adventure 3 someday, he seems pretty serious about Frontiers being the groundwork for it. However if that's the case, then Frontiers better have multiple playable characters. We should at the VERY least be able to play as Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Amy (the main 4 heroes). Having only Sonic playable in Frontiers is going to make it bland, no matter how big the open world is and no matter how long the game is. It's such a shame that Sonic is seemingly going to be the only playable character because there is literally going to be nothing left to do/explore after completing the game 100% as Sonic. What replay value is it going to have? None. So if Iizuka wants Frontiers to be the groundwork for Adventure 3, then he needs to take advantage of multiple playable characters especially in an open world game like this. There's so many powers and abilities that other characters have that Sonic simply does not, and I would want that to be reflected in both Frontiers and Adventure 3. Also, if they're smart, they would remake the first 2 Adventure games before releasing Adventure 3 to remarket it to the public and to get the team familiarized with the formula and incorporate that with the combat of Frontiers.

Sonic heroes 2!!

Like a lot of fans, I'm very torn on the idea of a Sonic Adventure 3. Everyone is saying that they should remaster the first two games, like they did with the original Crash and Spyro games, but I'm still skeptical whether Sega could actually pull it off. I haven't played Origins yet, but from what I understand it isn't getting the best reception. Heck, Sega could barely port the first game to the GBA without messing up royally! The saddest part is, even if they did miraculously create perfect remasters of these games, there would STILL be people out there criticising it for some idiotic reason or another! Like if they reimagined the awkward cutscenes of Sonic Adventure and made them, well, less awkward, you'd probably have people going "Aww they've ruined it now! The crappy janky cutscenes are what made that game so memorable! Now they're too polished and it isn't right! It was so much better the old way! Why did they change it?" Sega really can't win! When it comes to making a true SA3, I have to admit, I actually think it could work! The way I see it, they need to make huge levels that any character can transverse and explore. Every character can just run to the goal ring, or you can also explore and find other ways to complete the level, similar to the multiple missions in Shadow the Hedgehog, only you have to figure them out for yourself. For example, this is where Knuckles' treasure hunting could be introduced (you should be able to turn on the radar in the pause menu as a way to find hidden items in each level.) Or in certain levels there might be an area with multiple enemies, so if you are playing as Tails you can call in the Cyclone Walker and do some shooting. This is a way you can incorporate stuff from previous Adventure titles without making them the character's entire purpose. If you want to just run to the goal ring with Knuckles, then you can, but you can also explore by digging through the ground or climbing to a higher area that other characters can't to find alternative goal rings that might unlock new levels or cutscenes. Maybe the story changes depending on what characters you choose to be.

Sonic Performing A Muscle Contest To Sacred Explosive Boy Today. ♥️

If they ever do make an adventure 3 I hope they bring the dark era voice actors back everyone but eggman because we already have him we need everyone else

I don’t want an SA3 until I get an SA 1&2 remake.

I'm just gonna say it: I don't think they can do it. Nah, slightly upscaled ports of Adventure 1 and 2 would probably be the best case scenario, and I'd bet that even those would release in a right state. That is to say, as bad as Colours Ultimate was at launch, if not worse.

I love Sonic Adventure 1 and 2. Still got my old Dreamcast with SA1 in fact! As cool as it would be to have a sequel to the series: I know it’s a ship that has long since sailed. Let’s be real here: most of the people who grew up with Sonic Adventure back then are in their Mid-20’s to Mid-30’s by now. There’s a lot of people who are playing Sonic now who have never played the game or even know it exists due to its limited re-releases. It would take years of acclimation to get the Boost Era fans acclimated to Adventure Era gameplay. Not to mention the characters are portrayed MUCH differently these days; Eggman being the most departed of the bunch. It would be a LOT of work that I don’t see anyone viewing as “worth it”.

They would probably have you play as sonic and then you'd most likely get one or two levels with a reskin shadow, one level with tails most likely in the tornado so sonic is still there and knuckles would find one key in a small section in of the worst level

If the way to go about a new sonic adventure game ends up being an open world action RPG then by God I think that's the way to go. In essence the adventure titles even branding the same name but numbered both were different from each other and wouldn't expect a possible adventure 3 to be any different. And Iizuka thinks what they did in frontiers should be used for it. When he says this he's not specific to what. But my logical brain thinks how the open world with the combat works.

As much as I trust that frontiers will be good (I hope) I do not, at ALL trust current Sonic Team to create a Sonic Adventure 3 that pertains to our wants. They just can’t capture that same vibe, the essence that Sonic oozed in the adventure games.

I hope there will never be an S.A.3, Premy made (imo) a good video year’s ago. If they ever make an S.A.3, here’s what I think they should do. - Improve the gameplay from both game’s. Sonic has an improved S.A.1 physic’s/movement, more momentum base, S.A.2 abilities. Sommersault keep the momentum speed gained prior. Spin-Dash being able to rev up a little faster then in S.A.2 but not spammable like in S.A.1. Mile’s has his S.A.1 gameplay but improved with having more move-set’s. Knuckle’s is fine in S.A.2 imo, maybe have his S.A.1 radar back. Amy be a little faster. Dr.Eggman in mech having the same gameplay from S.A.2, just having smoother movement. A little higher jump. And a new character for this game. - Level’s be open, not too open, having multipule path-way’s, more then in S.A.1 but still have a clear direction on where the player goes. Keep the balance of platforming, speed and exploration. Tail’s have better level’s then S.A.1, made with his gameplay in mind and Amy has even more open stage’s. Knuckle & Eggman mech stage’s were good in S.A.2 imo, so continue that. - More environmental soundtrack, like in S.A.1. - Get either the most Adventure Duo & Heroes voice actor’s or voice actor’s that can do a great impression. - Model’s that look like a 3.D adapt of Yuji Uekawa’s art / design’s, more so from S.A.2 promo. Still I don’t or wouldn’t want it.

I'd say it would be better to outsource the gameplay aspects of Adventure 3 as was done with Mania, since there's no way I'd trust Sonic Team getting their grubby mitts on my Adventure 3. I'd keep the current voice cast and writers, for better or for worse, as this would allow the former to make good use of their skills and the latter to work on another game. Send all the execs to the guillotine though - they have no idea how something like this would work. In terms of timeline placement, I'd put it in-between Rush and '06, and I'd introduce a new villain but re-use past characters for the playables. I'm torn on whether or not to include Shadow, and truth be told he's kinda overrated and probably won't add much beyond being a reskin of Sonic. Unless he plays like he does in his own game - that would be cool. Everyone should play similar to Sonic, but with different movesets (for example, Sonic would have a drop dash and the homing attack, while Knuckles gets gliding and climbing. Everyone's getting a spindash or peelout though, mapped to ZR/R2/RB) and finish their levels the exact same way: with a goalpost, because let's be honest we really do need some obligatory classic nostalgia thrown in. Yes, there would be a Chao Garden. That's a given. I'm expecting it to be dumbed down though and be related to a crappy mobile game (I hate those things with a passion) that would be chock-full of microtransactions. Even with my wishful thinking, I'll never expect anything good out of a mobile Chao game. With that said, a Chao Garden should preferably encourage replaying levels if possible. Perhaps the player could also bring one of the little mutants into a level? Of course, this is just me brainstorming and I doubt that any of this really would happen. Except maybe the crappy Chao mobile game to prey on the nostalgia of Adventure fans. Frankly, I don't want a game called Adventure 3 and if they do make one then they should give it a different name.

Honestly If we had all sonic-like gameplay in sonic adventure 3 I’d want Sonic,Shadow,Silver,Espio,and Knuckles playable

I'd be down for an Adventure-style game featuring the characters from Frontiers and a much improved engine...but the TITLE Adventure 3 holds certain expectations and no game could (or should) have to deal with that level of hype, so I wouldn't use it. EDIT: As far as remaking/remastering the first 2, it would HAVE to be a remake to be worthwhile. There's so much jank in the old engine that would need to be fixed. If they just released a remaster with the same engine, I would refuse to buy it. EDIT 2: I say "the characters from Frontiers" because I'd rather they take time and get a smaller number of characters right. I see some people proposing massive 10+ character rosters and I'm like "How much time are you expecting this to take?" Honestly, my personal ideal would be JUST Sonic (and maybe a Chao Garden) before adding Tails/Knuckles/Amy in a later game, but I know for some people Adventure is defined by character variety, but for me Adventure means how Sonic plays in contrast to the Boost games.

Generations has shown that you can do a Adventure era boost level correctly. But maybe you earned boost in a much harder way then just getting rings

With two remakes (or is it remasters? I can't tell anymore 😓) not done well recently, I'm beginning to think doing an SA3 right now is NOT a good idea. I'm convinced they'll botch it. Definitely not something we want. We need at least two games (not necessarily remakes or remasters) to be good before I trust them doing SA3. Which pains me to say that... Also, I feel very silly for not realizing that the games after SA2 would actually have an effect on SA3 😳 Why didn't that occur to me?! 🤦 I still thinking limiting characters, as to not overwhelm players, is better than doing what they did with Forces; shoving characters in for the sake of it. Basically, it could be like a reboot of sorts regarding those characters and stories (as in we know them already but the characters have yet to meet eachother). And if SA3 did phenomenally, they could add a few more in with every new sequel. Probably very unrealistic but unless SA3 takes place after the 20 years of stories, what else could they do? 😅 I think slowly adding characters would be a cool idea cuz they reboot specific characters; particularly ones who have gained a bad rep in some way (i.e. Shadow and his game, Silver and his association with 06, etc). Yeah, maybe that's just lofty thinking but it'd be nice for good characters to shake off bad reputations and whatnot. I dunno. Maybe this heatwave is preventing me from making much sense 😓

Things like VAs I feel is too unrealistic of an expectation to get me disappointed (No matter how much I miss Jason as Sonic and Shadow). I'd be okay with changes to gameplay if it at least still has the same spirit of adventure (speed with exploration). If Frontiers' is able to do that, transposing that into SA3 with tweaks and variations for additional characters would be great! Most important aspects for me is a good story that has you emotionally invested (like SA2 and Unleashed for me), with lots of action, new sights to see, and stakes & tension. Would be cool if the next story takes place through space (heh not unlike Sonic X) or across dimensions with NEGA as the antagonist. Other characters are a must, but probably more team based like SA2 or P06 where we follow a lead hero (Sonic, Shadow, Silver) with members of their teams having segments in levels and/or a few one-off levels with their own gameplay styles. Pre pontaff characterization is a must though. And then there's music. The cast need new individual themesongs again. And I need new Knuckles level music that rival pumpkin hill and aquatic mine

With how broken the continuity has become, I do NOT want SA3 to ever be made. They'd have to retcon everything back to the Adventure era of lore and continuity to even begin thinking of making SA 3

Sonic Heroes was Sonic Adventure 3 It had multiple playable characters even though it was slightly different for different teams and we also had four different stories with a last story that involves a big villain (Metal Sonic had loads of character development in that game) that all the heroes have to go up against. In my opinion Sonic Heroes was Sonic Adventure 3 and no we don't need a Sonic Adventure 3 but it's all up to Sega at the end of the day

I suspect the reason we never got and never will get a full-on SA3 is because Sonic Team know they couldn't pull it off. Over the past few years especially they shown they lack the vision and skill to make a fully fleshed out game with an acceptable level of polish that players expect. Jeez, they couldn't even get a Sonic 3 port right after all these years. I'm not sure if Iizuka's at fault (whether he's a crappy boss or he's weak in the face of the corporates) or if it's just fucked up politics amongst the higher-ups at SEGA but there's definitely something broken in the land of the Blue Blur and I see no sign of it being fixed any time soon. These days, to me at least, the true custodians of Sonic and pals is the fanbase. Sonic-Tubers, coders and modders (SHC and SAGE always impress). Shout out to some third parties such as IDW and Paramount(!) who actually seem to care about Sonic and have a genuine vision for his future. SEGA don't seem to give a toss any more. They seem more interested in renting out the IP for use in other media and for selling toys than giving time and respect to the folks who actually sweat over developing the games. Sorry for the wall of text. I'm just so tired of SEGA these days.

I personally have zero confidence Sonic Team are even capable of making good Sonic games anymore. Sonic Forces was their last chance to win me over and Sonic Origins, combined with that IGN demo of Sonic Frontiers just killed any shred of love I have left for the series. I think any attempt to even return to the adventure series would just be a shameless, nostalgic cash grab and even remastering the adventure titles I don't think they would treat with any real respect and dignity. I think that ship really sailed over a decade ago and we really should stop trying to pretend we're dealing with competent game developers here. That all changed when Naka left and the series has been desperate to find it's own identity ever since. The thing we need to understand about Sonic Team is they clearly have no goal or planned road map when it comes to Sonic or even any idea of what this franchise is about, what Sonic's world is about or where it's going, where it should be going or even what the fans want out of the series in any practical sence. they're just going through the motions of making games every year just because Sonic still sells and clearly don't even understand why themselves. These aren't the same talent that made Sonic popular in the 90's and kept him popular through the 2000's. We can't keep talking about Sonic as if it's even got a chance in hell of ever returning to those days again. The last 20 years have painfully proven that, Hell Sonic 4 alone proved that to me. They can't even replicate the games that made them famous to begin with. The only attempt that worked was Sonic Mania and even that's never going to happen again as they burnt bridges with the only devs actually capable of making a Sonic game people really wanted. The sad thing is with Sonic and this to me is really the heart-breaking thing. Sega doesn't need to care what we (The older fans) have to say because there will always be a wave of new kids discovering Sonic for the first time who see the recent games and fall in love with the series through those titles and hold that as their golden standard and that cycle will always repeat itself. Sonic is infinitely appealing to kids and there will always be a new generation of kids to replace the old so our constant whining for the 'days when Sonic was good' doesn't really mean anything in the grand scheme of things because there will always be a new generation to replace us. It's why stuff like Teen Titans Go can succeed despite every Teen Titans fan hating it because the new fans can replace the old, buy the merchandise and shower the company with praise and telling a compelling story narrative or deep lore and world building doesn't really matter when the franchise wants to ensure easy money. It happens to the best of them. The Simpsons, The Halo Franchise, GTA, you name it. Sometimes you do get franchises that last forever and stand the test of time because the people behind it actually care about their brand. Batman and Spider-Man are two examples that come to mind. I don't know what Mario's future is if Shigeru Miyamoto ever retires but I doubt Nintendo wouldn't at least try and treat their biggest money maker with dignity. (Assuming Nintendo can still compete with Sony, Steam and Microsoft without Miyamoto) But Sonic either way never really had that same luck. The only place Sonic still gets treated with any kind of dignity is in the comic books and even that's starting to become uncertain with the constant delays with each issue and now Ian Flynn leaving. I've always had a personal theory, or at least hope for Sonic. I don't think Sega would ever do this and to be honest there's probably never going to be any incentive for them to ever even consider doing this but the one single thing I think could permanently fix all of Sonic's problems, the one single thing Sega could do to make up for every single bad Sonic game ever made and every bad game they will continue to make, the one thing Sega could do to truly fix every single problem this series has ever faced... is make Sonic a public domain character. Take Sonic, his entire world, all of these characters and give them to the public and Sonic could truly live forever. Everyone would have free reign over Sonic. Studios could make movie adaptions about him, publishers could make their own comics or manga, Sonic Anime's ever few years, different developers making different games and merchandise. Sega could still make and continue to make Sonic games and make money off of the character but now other studios would get a chance to do their own interpretation as well. Sonic would live basically forever and every bad interpretation wouldn't matter because another one would be right around the corner. Hell just look at Alice in Wonderland. That came out in the 19th century and to this very single day it's still relevant in modern media and always will be. Just imagine Sonic having that same opportunity. He could live on to be the greatest video game mascot who ever lived, even outliving Mario by possibly centuries. Sega would never do that because there wouldn't be enough of a financial incentive for them to give up their biggest cash cow like that, nor would any other studio in this cut throat industry but I really wish they would. That would be the greatest way Sega could ever go out with a bang with Sonic. Let the world carry the legacy themselves, y'know?

Well um that and Rip Dean Bristow. Otherwise ya they could easily bring back majority of the Sonic adventure era cast but they won't cause they're cheap Ryan Drummond is apart of a union and they won't hire him unless he leaves the union which makes me mad and sad.

If so sonic adventure 3 should release on an anniversary and sega should slowly bring the adventure style back and have a huge cast similar to avengers infinity war and endgame with the chao garden overall

I think sonic frontiers is setting sonic adventure 3 up because sonic frontiers is open world and I think sonic adventure 3 will be open world. I really hope sonic adventure 3 happens after sonic frontiers!

TBH I really don't want Sonic Adventure 3 to happen, mostly because of how Sega gave Sonic Fans what they want with Sonic the Hedgehog 4 (and by Sonic 4 I mean take a mobile game called Sonic the Mobile and rename it Sonic the Hedgehog 4), and being how the Sonic Fanbase is (BC of people like Spax3 and Richard Kuta), let's say if Sonic Adventure 3 dose get announced, the game will be overhyped and there will be Sonic Fans who are concerned with Sonic Adventure 3 true but still, game comes out and it gets a 2/10 or a 4/10 it will be detrimental to the series (especially how the Sonic Movies made the series mainstream again something that wasn't seen since 1991 though 2001). But if Sonic Adventure 3 where to happen remake Sonic Adventure 1 and Sonic Adventure 2 first test the waters (with new dialogue written by Ian Flynn to match the Japanese dialouge and have the current cast record those new lines, this is Sega-Atlus they don't to pay union actors look at the RE2 Remake and how Capcom didn't get Allison Court to play Clara Redfield), release it around late 2024 or spring 2025 and get feedback from Sonic Adventure rerun collection and then make Sonic Adventure 3. But if Sonic Adventure 3 happens with out the remake then Sonic Adventure 3 might be worse than Sonic 06 and Sonic Forces, and I'm scared for that to happen.

Never fail to see “Ugh this looks horrible just give us Sonic Adventure 3!” or “I don’t care about this give me Sonic Adventure 3!” In the comments of a New Sonic Game Trailer.

8:28 I don't agree that the boost can't be a part of the Adventure games. If you line it up just right with the narrative, having specific boosting sections like the mach speed sections from Sonic 06 could be a massive adrenaline rush. I think treating the boost like an ace up the sleeve is a better trajectory for the formula and ties the Adventure and Boost formulas together nicely to reunite the Modern Sonic fanbase. Getting access to the boost should hit like a lite version of pulling out Super Sonic. I think it'd be pretty sick if a game's final battle gradually transitioned all the way from Adventure to Boost to Super Sonic. I'll admit though that this is also an extremely risky way to treat the boost, because if the actual goal of giving the player the boost IS for the adrenaline rush, then there's a high chance the boost sections would be hollow and designed to let you "boost like a maniac"...

it is important to remember though that there are a number of circumstances as to why adventure formula had been dropped , for one sonic 1 , sonic 2 and sonic 3 and knuckles are built with a foundation that is about the use of speed through physics that are about going fast when going down and slow down when going up , unfortunaly , for any franchise in the 90s , a formula that once worked very good in 2d can't be faithfuly translated into 3d as there is so much could go wrong and many issues that could happen let alone being acceissible to any one with out having a lot of issues getting into it , and so the industry in 6 generation had to learn what could, work in 3d , sonic adventure represented a failed translation of that foundation from mega drive main line sonic games , but it was so much fun to play as well as its own thing , but when dream cast version of sonic adventure 2 got released , there was such a severe black lash from among sonic fans especially old ones from 90s to the point that it's rumoured yuji naka himself promised that there is going to be no mech shooting or treasure hunting in future new main line sonic games , and it do not help that with many changes that the gaming industry had been going through ecpecially with the release of grand theft auto 3 , and new expectations to how video games are supposed to be had been raised , the game cube port of sonic advenutre 2 was torn to shreds by critics them selves depite once praising the dream cast version , which is probably due to not delivering to the expectations of what video games are supposed to be at the time , which you can understand by watching a video named as "growing pains of early 2000s "game cube , x box , and play sation" " so no wonder why adventure formula had been dropped , but it could return if they found a way for it to work i this current time of modern gaming

considering how the franchise is doing, I DO NOT want SA3 anytime soon...

We already got SA3, and that was 06. Play P-06.

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The place i want the story to take place is before Sonic heroes. And the story in SA3 Will remove some charecthers and playable charecthers like What they did in SA2 which means No Shadow, Rouge, Or playable Eggman, Amy or Big. The charecther that Will return is Sonic, Tails and Knuckles. And the plot shall have some conection to the echidna tribe like in SA1-2. And add some new charecthers. All the charecthers shall have the Sonic gameplay and have that style to be the main focus. Level design shall be based on Sonic 06 which in my opinon had the best level design in the Adventure style. Oh and make tails fly like in Sonic 06 it not too powerfull or to weak. Make some sections in the level have some boost gameplay. Oh and dont give Sonic a hub world. But if they want too make some platforming in them or stuff to do but i perfer if it was not there. And i do not Think we Will have the voice actors from the adventure days. Oh and Can you stop acting that SA2 is the best story ever told there are flaws. Shiro makawa Can be a bit careless sometimes. Do i Think we Can all agree that Sonic heroes has a better story than SA2 it not perfect but it great. But the best is of Course Sonic unleashed which had the best Sonic and before you say “Eggman is too cartonny And Tails is a coward and Amy does not very much in the story” 1 It a part of his charecther that he is clumsy 2 If we ignore that scene Tails is acting like What Tails is. Yes he is more of an side charecther but the main focus in the story is the friendship with Sonic and Chip 3 She could be removed from the story.

Honestly I’d take almost any VA for sonic except for Roger. I just can’t stand his sonic voice. I’d take Ryan,Ben and especially my Favorite Jason back I just wish Roger would go as his voice just isn’t sonic let alone sounding way too old….

You cant mention an Adventure styled story if you dont bring up Sonic Colors story

(- Reads Title -) What if, and tell me if you've heard this before. What if this video comes back to bite you in the backside? At most, we'd be lucky to get a 'Sonic Frontiers 2' of sorts. Not trying to sound mean, I'm just accepting reality more and more overtime. Then again, I've been watching a lot of 'Angelina Ballerina' so perhaps I shouldn't be taken seriously. 🙃

A better question to ask is ‘Sonic Adventure’ necessary to bare a 3 and do fans truly want it? Let’s be real, Sega/Sonic Team chooses not to do momentum base stuff for making things simpler for the audience and critics. Should they try it again, it wouldn’t be an ‘Adventure’ game at heart due to Sega taking cuts or certain parts not wanting to revisit. Old stubborn fans are clinging onto the illusion that the Sega of 2000s are still present, which in real-time aren’t. They can’t make an Adventure nor do they feel want to, IIzuka may not truly understand what made Adventure the game it was anymore. This is different times and fans need to stop clinging onto the past for a potential that may never come back. That may sound harsh and it does, but we would’ve gotten an ‘Adventure’ something by now wouldn’t you think? The worse Sega can say is No and that’s that.