One correction -- they were saying, Oh, this is free and that is free, you get it from the kibbutz. .... No, it isn't free. In reality, it is "included" if you work and contribute. The kibbutz is not meant to be a welfare community of handouts. It just means that if you get sick, and miss a few days of work, you don't have to worry about being evicted. It cushions you but you definitely have to contribute.
I think the video conveyed it pretty well already. The Kibbutz people are indeed hard-working people, and they live the ideal life most of us would like to have!
Nothing is free in this world. Someone paid for it if just indirectly. This would never work on massive like in America, who donates billions to Israel by the way.
Yes, but I have to wonder how any of this would exist without foreign aid. It probably would not. Therefore, it may just be Israel's fantasy. Don't get me wrong, I am all for Israel. The only gem in the Middle East (for decades).
I lived on Kibbutz Ramat Yochanan from 1977-78 I was a volunteer and then studied in the ulpan/language work-study program. It was a life-changing experience. I have friends on the kibbutz..43 years of friendship that I have been fortunate to keep in my life all these years. I left the kibbutz for city life, but Ramat Yochanan was my home base while living in Israel. I still visit every trip to Israel. I loved kibbutz life and the people that I know there.
I had so many life experiences on various kibbutzim that I couldn't have had elsewhere !! .Like you , I moved to the city ( a community near a couple of cities in central Israel ) , but I still carry those memories with me !!
This is what socialist/far-left should be doing in the USA instead of trying to turn the central government into one giant commune. It would be better, since the social programs would be more localized/efficient and all members can play an active role, rather than some far off bureaucrat trying to make some sort of one-size-fits-all solution. Social programs at the federal level are incredibly inefficient and prone to corruption.
I prefer a free market on a societal level on the basis of competition, innovation, and freedom from big governments, but I fully condone kibbutzism. Small pockets of Socialism that were created by people who are consensually involved that exist without hurting anybody don't sound like a bad idea as long as such a model isn't forced on others.
@@mv1y3eb2qs4 I don't really know much about it other than what's being covered on the news/Internet. It seems kind of forced from what I've seen, but I'm not really sure, since I haven't seen it with my own eyes and it's difficult to understand the situation through distorted lenses. If that AZ is to last, they'll probably need to figure out some sort of legal framework similar to how American Indian tribes establish reservations with the federal government. Legalese is way above my head, but maybe the Kibbutz model should be closely looked at, in how it was legally integrated into Israeli law.
That didn't hurt. But the Israelis did all the grunt work themselves. Possibly America felt guilty about refusing the first wave of Jews trying to escape Hitler and sending them back to their deaths. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis@@bonita392
@@bonita392 america only invest in israel about militans stuff, israel is a friend of america that have the same enemies that israel had and surrounded by, so israel for the americans are the ones who keep control of the middle east who is strong and a good allay of the usa
kibbutz isn't a singularity , it's part of a unified collective organisation .Some kibbutzim are financially better off than others , so the " better off " kibbutzim share their wealth with the " not so financially well off " kibbutzim , so that all may survive
It feels like bottom-up socialism / communism, but in order that it works, the whole village needs to work hard to provide. That means it has to be a small and tight community that people trust each other. It works in a small nation-state like Israel, but I doubt if it would work in America or other western countries where people are more individualistic and want more for themselves.
@@chaselee86 when population is huge, there is too many people have different value of life, it don't work. It's work ONLY small group of people totally share the same value. Also, it have to be volunteer, if anyone is not happy, should be freely to leave anytime. I think it's good idea to me, because I experience life is not easy, if a community can provide me everything, I don't need to own anything. No pressure of how to pay bill, no stress. That's why they let the young people to go out, until 30 years old, then decide what they want. If anyone experience outside world, and happy won't return. Anyone find struggling would be happy to return to less stressful life.
the correct implementation of the kibbutz system in 3rd world countries would revolutionize the world! Greetings from a former kibbutz volunteer from Brazil!
An excellent piece - have just seen it now. I delighted so many kibbutzim still exist. I'm not Jewish, but in 1983, I spent 3 months on Kibbutz Magen as a volunteer. It was one of the best experiences of my life. At the time, I was encouraged to think about joining and for many years thereafter I regretted my decision to leave. I still admire the philosophy of shared contribution and shared reward - a far more preferable way of life than the shallow, greedy, accumulative, corrupt societies we find ourselves part of today. Such a pity that the model hasn't taken off in other parts of the world in building meaningful communities.
was a kibbutz volunteer back in 2010 at Kibbutz Lahav. I share the exact same words you did. Fantastic personal experience and the kibbutz itself is also a great social experiment too! Greetings from Brazil!
Exactly. Moral of the story: When EVERY house requires a safe room, and there are bomb shelters everywhere else - you should NOT be living there to begin with!
@@jackpine4347 Solid point! But regardless of which geographic region - it typically goes back to how/why a category of humans settled/inhabited that land to begin with. That's where things get tricky...
@@wendylpa lmao, yeah we should've kept them in the countries that had the holocaust and kept them as subhuman citizens. Why would the UN make such a decision. The state of Israel started in 1948... what could have possibly preceded such decision in Europe. 🤔
This beautiful homeland is Palestine, and these beautiful houses were built on the blood of the Palestinians who were killed by Israel and expelled from their homes (these lands belong to the Palestinians and they still have the civil legal documents for their homes and lands), then they built this town and decorated it so that the Israelis who came from all over the world could enjoy it. the truth will not die, and one day the truth will emerge in spite of the evil people
@@chahrazed6143Palestine? You mean Egypt. Gaza was part of Egypt until the 6 day war. Ottoman Empire never called it Palestine and Quran never mentioned it either. Jews have lived in these lands before Arabs, Islam and Romans came around.
@@chahrazed6143Squeal louder. Your lies are unending as is the Arab propensity for starting wars against Jews. Jews bought their own land and formed kibbutz and other communities. They stole nothing. The Arabs have been killing Jews since even before 1919 when the Ottomans were defeated and every war in Israel has been started by Arabs. Moreover, Arab invaders have no place in Israel.
I came here because of the news reports of, Kibbutz homes being attacked by Hamas parasites. Ive heard of the word but did not know what it meant. Found out is was a home. What a lovely way to live. I'm so sorry for what the people of Isreal are going through. I hope you all are able to repair the Kibbutz communities you were peacefully living in. My heart to you all. Glory be to Isreal 🙌🙏🙏 Sudbury, Ontario, Canada
@@amorenew Don't think so? We've already hosted piles of garbage from your area. Unless of course you have a dung heap suitable enough for your needs? Could look around if ya wanna? Maybe learn to spell Canada before you come? May be useful down the road? Never know.. "HEY?" 💋
That's why I say it will only work in small communities of like minded people and NOT as a larger and only system in a country. The people in the Kibbutz are there by choice and can leave that system anytime they want. Not so if it's the system of an entire country.
I have a stupid question about eating in a kibbutz. What is you don't feel like eating in a noisy cafeteria like setting ... do they have any smaller rooms there where a person could maybe only sit with a few people and it's much more quiet ? What if you really just want to take the food home and eat your meal and your little apartment or house ? Are you allowed to put it in containers and go eat it at home ?
@@gardensofthegods a lot of the communal living associated with kibbutz has been ditched over the years by many , but not all kibbutzim .The dining room used to be the centre of the kibbutz in so many ways ( I could go on and on , but I won't ) , but to answer your question , on some kibbutzim , some members do bring food containers to the dining room , then trot off home to eat , it all depends where one works , meal breaks are not infinite , and if you're working in the fields far from your home , you will have to manage your time carefully .
I'm watching this just over a week after Hamas attacked a Kibbutz in Israel. I don't know which Kibbutz this is but I wonder if the people in the video are OK!
Don't worry. They're fine. Also, lately they've been able to help families, that needed to evacuate from their homes and also to make a decent contribution to the areas that have been brutally damaged. So good for them!
Visit Kibbutz Ein Dor, near the city of Afula (Northern Israel). I lived there in 1989 and I can safely say it was the BEST time of my life. Just don't go in the summer, go in December up to March.
Lol, it's not. Daniel Gavron wrote a book about his experience raised in one and the current struggles they face. While entirely sympathetic to what these communities attempt to provide, the incentive problem as well as the unavoidable economic calculation problem has dwindled these communities to a handful. And the ones currently surviving do so because they provide marketable goods to the outside world that churn out profits.
@@StrongCoreSociety The right & religious took over because they became the majority, that's called democracy. 90% of the new immigrants in the 1950's were orthodox right-wingers, but the Israeli communists used forced secularization to try & control them for political & ideological benefit. That's NOT democracy. Finally, in 1977, the right-wing arose & defeated the left-wing. The left-wing is still trying to rule the country through the Supreme Court, the leftist media & the police, yet they are STILL losing power every day.
@@rienavoir8250 more like communism, actually. With socialism, you still have private ownership except for means of production and have to pay for services like utilities, transportation, food, medicines, entertainment etc. True, it's not as expensive as in a capitalist system because the socialist economy is not profit oriented but many things are not free. In these kibbutz communities (if the video is true) it looks like you own nothing except clothes you were and don't pay for anything other than the contribution you make through your work. Money basically are meaningless unless you go outside the community. I grew up in USSR and that's exactly what we were told about communism at school, how our society would work in future if we manage to "build" communism. The only difference is the scale and absence of the larger state structure (communism is supposed have a stateless society of these kibbutz-like communities).
Great video!!!! Actually I live in a kibbutz-like community here in Spain. People who never lived so can't understand it. But it's great to live your God-given life not only thinking about yourSELF , but for the others too. And when the people who live there think about each other and care about each other the life is much much easier!!!! Shalom al kol am Israel!!!
I am looking for à place liké this since 30 years ..bur all that I found was communities who fonctionned with practized sectarism. Just living and work together- impossible for those
It was a great experience!! was there for 6 months back in 2005! been in two different kibbutz!love from INDIA! also not all kibbutz are the same they varies in different layouts and productions(factories) and also amenities and food!
As a quick guide, a shekel is about the same as a US quarter, so they're making $1200 a month but most everything taken care of, and most of it better than 90% of us have it in the US. Especially health care.
As a secular Protestant (non practicing) here in the Midwest (metro Cincinnati) I am impressed with how well the Kibbutz concept works for those who opt for the lifestyle & life associated with its social constructs. I don't think I could give up my suburban (Bourgeois) life as this is what I have known all my (almost) 59 years of life. But for those who want a more communal sense of life with similarly shared experiences, this is a really cool concept! Thanks for sharing with us. It was interesting and informative!
The reason it works is the people want to be there. Socialism on a country scale doesn’t work because some people don’t want to contribute or are too lazy too
This sounds actually nice especially consideringthe way society is going in the west especially the Nordics where individual living is very normal and loneliness amongst the youth is a growing problem.
This kind of community can only exist only if everyone knows everyone and there is a high trust society where people feel obligated to pull their own weight. Otherwise - this is just impractical. Nice concept tho.
Well, taxation isn't a requirement for socialism, but it's the only way with how lazy socialists are 😂 There are 2 ways to generate value in the world. 1. Time 2. Money If socialists are lazy and don't want to give their time, they go after your money. The kibbutz everyone works from young so the time fuels the economy. Socialism doesn't work not because it can't work, it doesn't work because humans screw it up.
its well worth being a volunteer. In this world where there is so much selfishness and greed some time spent living together will really make you question how the rest of the world lives...certainly other western countries/societys.
What a beautiful way to live , that is what you call a community , not suited for all types of people so i can understand why they would be very carefull in their selection of choosing who they would accept in living in their communities , I did not know that this type of lifestyle even existed , how envious i am..... i wish you all a happy and peaceful life .
@@priscillavelazquezs It is impossible to put civilised people amongst barbarians , i understand the response Israel has taken . Unfortunately you can not change the mentality of the Arab Nations or mindset which they want the rest of the world to live in , maybe if they loved their childrens & their future more than they hate their enemies will things change . Hoping for peace and love for all Israelies & their enemies .
I would imagine a similar climate to Cyprus. Been to Cyprus a few times and it's pleasantly warm even in November. 5000 shekels = £1068 or $1323. At 6 shekels a meal that's just £1.28 or $1.59. No rent, no council tax. Electric? I would imagine no heating req. at any time but air con not sure about. These days I imagine a lot of the electricity requirement is satisfied by solar panels. This vid has got me seriously interested.
I watched it today, and realized that Hamas has destroyed the same community. If I had a chance, would like to spend around 2-3months in Kibbutz and learn how this utopian sysytem works.
That very attractive hostess with a great personality is Natasha Kirtchuk --- who is also an ILTV News anchor. She's smart, witty, pretty and an engaging speaker. I read somewhere that she is an alumna of Duke University.
The only reason this works is because it is Highly Discriminatory, in that they can choose who they allow and who they don’t, and also it is mutually chosen, i.e., the people choose to be there and the the people there choose who they let in. Also, the cultural homogeneity of the people is key. You can’t have something like this where a few people believe they are doing everything as to the glory of god, and the other people are doing, just good enough. Socialism as a government / complete economic system will never work because it is forced on everyone, and the majority of people will choose to be freeloaders, while the rest of the people will work to support the majority.
It works because they are careful to have people who actually want to work and contribute to both the kibbutz and the country. Kibbutzim are successful precisely because they have a motivated membership who want to cooperate for the greater good. Kibbutzim were founded by secular Jews for the most part, though there are some religious kibbutzim. This is not about discrimination. Would you call hiring the best person for a job in a company discriminatory, because they are ones most likely to not only personally succeed, but contribute to the success of the company?
This system works fine for very small cohesive communities with law abiding people. Communities that share same values and with little diversity in social mores and cultures. It will not work in most of the world.
Kibbutz has government support too. The government has incentive for people to move to land near Gaza and West Bank to legitimize the government claims of those lands.
Why wouldn't anyone not want to live in this environment....it sounds perfect. It is also a brilliant idea for the people and poverty in our townships here in South Africa.
yes, it would be, but most people do not qualify, because the amount of rules are huge. not going to work is not an option unless you are genuinely ill. not everybody can do the job they want to. etc etc
the ANC government is too corrupt ( and racist ) to have such a smart idea like this come to fruition in the RSA , ESPECIALLY if it originated from Israel ( and YES I did visit a couple of townships when I visited the RSA )
This only works if everyone takes accountability and works hard. Sadly South Africans have made it a habbit to blame the government and white people for all their problems, so it's probably not going to work there.
I am an Indian(hindu) and i personally find Jews best amongst all Abrahamic religions. Coz. 1. *they dont try to convert others* 2. *they practice their religion peacefully* 3. *they are very hard working* 4. *just like us* .. "live and let live attitude". 5. *people with high IQ*
Rajan A Thevar I like Israeli jews, but not international jews who don’t keep to themselves and manipulate other societies. Ethnostates are the answer - then everyone can live happily and work hard for their own people in their own land.
@@yelsavidaravskaja905 what a load of absolute rubbish. For every jew with an opinion there are 100 000 peoples with same opinion who are not jews. Since when is it sooooo easy to manupulate humanity in any area ? - stupid person you
It could be an example to a World fast going down the hole. It isn't Paradise and can even be a sort of Hell to some but altogether it has a lot to offer especially in a very difficult and expensive Country like Israel is. There is a saying that it is Paradise for kids and old people with the between time years more of a challenge. I just heard that a group of Israelis are establishing a Kibbutz in Portugal where vacant land is available and relatively cheap.
Would love to know where that is in Portugal. I lived in a Kibbutz back in the 90ies. Life changing exp. I think the model would be great for old people in most countries...Weird that other countries didn't try this model more.
OK please elaborate how everyone makes the same money. If someone is an executive or a surgeon and someone else farms the land...I understand how the one who farms the land lives there for free with a specific salary...but for the executive or the surgeon how is their salary the same if they work outside the kibbutz? Do they give their salary to the kibbutz and the Kibbutz gives some back (an amount is given back that is the same the one who farms the land earns)?
hipretty, you can work outside the kibutz in any profession, as a surgen for example, however still all your salary will go directly to the kibutz. it doesnt matter if you make a million dollars a month. you will still get no more than those 5,000 shekels.
@@erlich85 That's not entirely true, the amount of monthly funds you get from the Kibutz depends on the Kibutz and the method they use, in some of them indeed your entire salary will go to the Kibutz and you will get the same funds like any other member, but in others your monthly funds will depend on a calculation based on the income you give to the Kibutz, the number of children you have or some other calculation that will reflect your contribution to the Kibutz.
Sounds like the communal Mennonites and the sharing farm Amish. Not unusual my family lives this way in PA Dutch country with most circling around the church. My family is Jewish and socialist but I went to a Mennonite school. The Mennonites are basically Religious Socialist. If your Mennonite your family has to give you a Job so no worries. The church pays for everything so no worries.
@@memenadekhanh3992 The wealthy have social capitalism. The federal reserve Is the bank they call when in trouble. More welfare goes to the top 10 percent then the bottom 90 percent. Working together as a group, as a tribe, as a family keeps power centered within the group. Think mafia, church, police unions, Ford, Vanderbilt, etc. A union is socialism and the police union or teacher union gives those in career protection. The Mennonites where I live are the power, and the protection. People join groups for protection. Social Security is Socialism. America has been a socialist nation since the 1930s and is certainly not democratic. American companies always get bail outs and tax credits. America is a Socialist Republic ruled by a connected ruling family organization with different rules for them. Mennonites are a mirror image of the ruling class as the Kibbutz is. If you get American Social Security you practice Socialism. Tax credits, tax breaks, bail outs for broken companies are all Socialist activities. Reasons enough.
Yes. Im available. I don't need money. Please invite me for a year to a Kibbutz. I want to experience the life, work and spread/teach the skills somewhere else. (I just completed a life of 30 years as an aerodynamic engineer at a research institution. NOW IM FREE
I wish Finland, Karelia and Estonia became a single united ethnostate and started kibbutzim. I would LOVE to live a more traditional lifestyle, farming and producing for my people and writing in my free time.
Long back, some Indian villages (only those that are homogenous in terms of caste) used to function as Kibutzes (not this glamorous but same level of emotional connect within the members). It was like socialism implemented the right away. The only thing was it couldn't support a corporate structure that is required to produce industrial scale products. I am amazed at Israelis that they are not only able to blend both, but are able to succeed in that regard. Most importantly, Kibbutz like communities play a very important role in safeguarding overall mental health of the individuals and is immune to negative side effects of feminism, individualism and other divisive ideologies because they are centered around practicality.
Same type of community is there in Kerala, India called sidhshram ,headquartered in vatakara, Calicut district.and kurumathur in Kannur district...also in Salem , state of Tamil Nadu, India
