What is Actually WRONG With Goat Format? 

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Ironically if someone went back in time and snuck into the upper deck office and changed the banlist to their liking, Janjo would still be making this video. Every format will have something to complain about, it’s really inevitable.

The Unholy Trinity of Pot, Charity, and Duo are backbreaking, but the only thing keeping them balanced is that you can open them just as often as your opponent can. I think there might be a better format if we dig deep enough, but this era, and the gameplay based on resource management and trading efficiently are the cores of it's gameplay, and how Yugioh is made to be played

Here's what I'd do to give Goat Format a tune-up: Ban: Cyber Jar Cyber-Stein Dark Magician of Chaos Delinquent Duo Last Turn Monster Gate Morphing Jar Pot of Greed Reasoning Rescue Cat Royal Magical Library Sinister Serpent Trap Dustshoot Restrict: Chaos Sorcerer Des Koala Limiter Removal Secret Barrel Wave-Motion Cannon With this you wipe out most of the toxic OTK decks (Empty Jar, Reasoning Gate, Cat, etc.), weaken Burn so it's not a guaranteed duel 1 win and get rid of objectively cheap cards (Duo, Dustshoot, etc.)

Answer: Nothing.

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So, here is the thing: Mirror force and heavy storm are cards you have SOME ability to play around, and they make the overall game more interesting (you can't set a lot of backrow, you can'e attack with many monsters, if you do, you're at risk) but POG and duo are just free advantage. If someone opens duo, it is just a matter of do you have snake ready to go (and should you do they go neutral which is fine). So I would only get rid of like greed, duo, ring, BLS and maaaaybe dustshoot+charity (charity needs at least some combo to go + and keeping one OP card may be fine enough) What I would like the community to do is not only change the banlist but add some cards from the future to buff less viable decks. The point would be to make an enhanced goat format that has a lot of variety and less problem cards. That could be the best YGO format ever made provided the top decks stay competitive (so we do not powercreep the format)

As an avid Goat player I have to disagree with the idea of it being unfair, it's arguably the most balanced format in Yu-Gi-Oh's history. I get the argument about the sacky cards but you need to remember that all decks have access to them. I'm guessing it mainly comes from people who don't play the format much thinking every deck has to be Goat Control, which is definitely not the case. I have an Earth Beatdown deck and Zombie deck that I use to smack Chaos and Goat Control around all the time. Goat Format isn't about using your power cards to beat your opponent, it's about maintaining card advantage and playing around your opponent's plays, which can't be said about modern.

Good video. I would like to say hindsight is always more critical than the judgement of the moment. Just like evolution of combat in Runescape and Cataclysm in Wow weren't expected to be badly recieved. Both of these companies did do a second take on their old game and improved upon the original concept greatly. (Respecting powercreep, adding a few future updates, but scaled to the older format) Also, detrimental to power creep in yu-gi-oh was konami's corporate greed. They kept making their old cards useless to make more money. I'm pro changing goat format slightly to make it more enjoyable because we can all see what's overpowered and what wouldn't break to format if we added it.

I think if Pot of Greed was at 3 instead of 1 it wouldn't be as much of a "blowout" since both players would have a better chance of seeing it throughout the game. Just a thought. Of course if other things were different also I mean. Like no Duo or Charity or stuff like that maybe.

When you realize goat format can't happen on master duel cause of card erratas 😢

It's a community ran format, we should have a community voted banlist. It'll keep the format interesting

I wouldn’t prefer banlists as much as I would prefer card changes. Physical card games can’t buff or nerf cards but digital card games do. There’s a lot of nerfs that could be applied to cards to make them more balanced. Like GK Spy having Bubonic Vermin stats, or maybe she can special summon a GK monster that isn’t another Spy. Or having BLS banish a dark/light to normal summon without tributing, and no additional text after that. Chaos Sorcerer requiring to discard 1 to use his effect, just like Dark Core. Ring of D: only Ring’s user takes the effect damage. And so on. My favorite change to a lot of underpowered cards is to change their effects from “When… you can” to “If… you can”, so that they don’t miss their timing anymore.

The ONLY problem cards I see are BLS and duo since they make chaos turbo just a bit too strong.

The complaints people have about goat format is actually what I love about android/joeypeagasus format. I love the crazy hay makers you and your opponent throw at each other with these busted ass cards

So, has GOAT Format been GOAT'd? 🤔

GOAT format is the best format

Curse of Anubis trap card was good in this format I played that card at 3 for the longest time change the battle position of all monsters on the feild to defence position

I have a love hate relationship with goat. As a player that likes to get creative with decks it gets stale versing the same hyper tuned chaos or panda burn decks every game. I also feel like Dustshoot is a huge problem, the fact that your hand gets mapped out takes all the fun out of the game. One of the main appeals to me is the predicting and risk/reward of the decisions you make based on the cards that have been played and when you remove that it just feels bad. Even trying to play around it can sometimes just blow up in your face if you set S/Ts into heavy.

I like Goat format for what it is...honestly. With all the common/iconic staples played, it sort of resembles chess in a way where you have the same "pieces" as your opponent (it's also much easier to introduce the game to friends since they don't have to learn too many new cards for every deck they play). Even then, look at some top decks like Turbo, Warrior or Goat Control. These are three decks with distinct styles of play with their own win conditions, yet they have a lot of shared staples between them. Knowing what your opponent likely has in their deck forces you to manage your resources for the current game state while also taking in consideration what your opponent might play as a followup based on cards you haven't seen yet. You end up playing more aggressive at times because you know you're on a clock or try to drag games out and bait out counters to set up a game shot. It ends up being a game within a game. Also, having all those staples makes it really easy to side a smokescreen, which I am all for.

As much as I love goat, the format is so sacky. I played a 3 game match the other day (playing Gravekeepers), played a great game 2 but games 1 and 3 my opponent opened with DD and had Jinzo by turn 4. There was literally nothing I could do.

With all due respect, I don't know why this video was made. Goat Format's banlist doesn't need an update. The reason why people still play it to this day is because out of the various formats in Yugioh's history, it was regarded as one of the more enjoyable/tolerable ones. Using a custom banlist/card pool is the equivalent of making a custom format, and there is simply not a large demand or any real traction for fan-made formats to take off. It's been tried and done before in the Format Library circles; they all see play for a while and then people move on to other things. The people who play Goat, and all retro formats by extension, value the historical accuracy and it is imperative to out experience and engagement with the format. So, either you like the format and enjoy it for what it is, or you don't engage with it because it's not your cup of tea. Having tried Edison, I realized it wasn't for me, and that's totally okay! I also don't fault anybody for taking a liking to it. It's really that simple 🤷‍♂️ One final thing I'll add is that Yugioh's banlist philosophy of limiting/semi-limiting cards will always be problematic from a design perspective. Limiting/semi-limiting cards is an awful balance lever/decision 99% of the time because whatever powerful card gets put to 1 or 2 is still capable of affecting the game; it just happens less often, which increases variance. Boo, variance, the thing every competitive-minded player hates! There is no real solution here outside of doing what MTG does for all formats besides Vintage (cards are either banned or unlimited) or aggressively errata-ing cards (which is what digital card games do, except physical printings make this impractical). Regardless, this is very much a somewhat cursed problem in card game design and there's no clear way around it because, as humans, we are bound to make mistakes and print cards that "break the game" or are otherwise too strong for whatever reason. No card game (format) is perfect, and I think people need to come to terms with that. Goat comes *really* close to offering a play experience that is difficult to complain about though outside of generic "lol variance" moments, which are going to exist in every card game, period.

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My second favorite format to play. It used to be my favorite until they did Edison format I been enjoying Edison a lot more.

This format is garbage honestly, idk why there's such a community for it. All decks are running the same 10-15 cards to start, trinity is absurdly broken, and so many blowout cards (BLS, RING, YATA, MIRROR FORCE, HEAVY, DARK HOLE) that swing games way too much.

when i want to build a deck in goat i just go for the limited list and ad most of the card from there lol