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What is better: FLAC or DSD? 

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Again a popular question amongst my viewers: what is better, high-res PCM or DSD. Well, that depends…
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Комментарии : 137   
@dungysphincter7974
@dungysphincter7974 4 года назад
over 40 people that down voted, do not have a clue about the effort involved in creating this video, nor do they appreciate the content. TY Hans!
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 4 года назад
🙏🏽
@carloslarard
@carloslarard 3 года назад
what a shame
@midnightwind8067
@midnightwind8067 2 года назад
As for the down voters...... I was once told that you cannot teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
@albertloan396
@albertloan396 5 лет назад
This is the best explanation I've heard yet. You have a gift for making complex issues clear without oversimplifying. Thanks for the effort you put into this.
@kfalxa
@kfalxa 5 лет назад
Not over-simplified and not over-sampled! :D Sorry, I could not resist the bad pun but also could not agree with you more!
@haula251
@haula251 4 года назад
I’m attaining you class regularly because you easily solved audio questions/myths in simple but accurate informative ways
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 4 года назад
🙏🏽
@ProjectOverseer
@ProjectOverseer 5 лет назад
I've spent most of my audio engineering life (when making comparisons) trying to decide if various differences are better, worse or err, just different. It can be very subjective. As you state clearly here with digital, what and how digital data is handled as well as the quality of processing involved really does account for differences heard. The quality of recording/replay equipment I own does allow me to resolve these sound differences. This might sound funny, I found in storage an old but immaculate Phillips 256 times over-sampling 1bit CD player. It became a talking point in the studio as it sounded incredible - better than our vastly more expensive Red Book mastering CD burner with its dual BURR BROWN DAC converters, which is still occasionally used. I've found creating the highest possible digital master (DSD or PCM) will create far better Down sampled copies. Works the same in the digital filming world. Film in high end raw @ 4K, 6K or 8K and down sample to 1080p for superior image quality.
@seamussheehy8380
@seamussheehy8380 5 лет назад
Hi Chris, Which Phillips model was that CD player?.
@ProjectOverseer
@ProjectOverseer 5 лет назад
@@seamussheehy8380 Yes, we had two old models ... The CD-840 was the one that impressed. I note I made a mistake. Its a 1bit 256x over sampling player ... The other Philips was a CD-960 which is 16bit. That sounded excellent to, but it was the less substantial CD-840 that grabbed our attention.
@ProjectOverseer
@ProjectOverseer 5 лет назад
@@roygalaasen When you consider the age Its pretty amazing really.
@seamussheehy8380
@seamussheehy8380 5 лет назад
@@ProjectOverseer Thanks Chris.
@ProjectOverseer
@ProjectOverseer 5 лет назад
@@seamussheehy8380 Glad I could clarify.
@dougbanker6719
@dougbanker6719 5 лет назад
Excellent & informative! One of the best succinct explanations on this topic by anyone yet. Thank you!
@mikelisteral7863
@mikelisteral7863 2 года назад
i prefer to convert youtube music videos to mp3 and listen to them on my dollar store ear buds lol
@blackpepperprepper2025
@blackpepperprepper2025 5 лет назад
Thank you for this marvelous lecture and lesson. I like, "trust your ears."
@dorkvader5332
@dorkvader5332 4 года назад
This video has cleared up a few points for me. This week I ordered a DSD DAC .Plus with other advice I have got it should sound.. smokin :)
@alexlopez-u3i
@alexlopez-u3i 5 месяцев назад
What did you order? I have an interest in dsd. I heard a sacd player many years ago and it sounded like nothing i had ever heard. Through researching i found that sacd is dsd64. That got me excited as now we have dsd at higher sampling rates but the files available for dsd are ao eclectic my enthusiasm has decreased massively. Still curious, what external dac did you order for dsd playback?
@marcob.7801
@marcob.7801 5 лет назад
Thank you Meer Beekhuyzen for your utilitarian ability of making very complex subject matter somewhat understandable to an Redbook CD file player! I think most, if not all your "mini" seminars are the exception rather than the rule here on RU-vid (regardless of subject content!) Be well and many thanks!Marco B.Brooklyn, NY
@joyflips
@joyflips 4 года назад
Nyquist was a mathematician, not and electronics engineer. The nyquist theorem assumes an infinitely sharp cutoff filter. Something that does not exist. Therein lies the problems.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 4 года назад
Well said
@diablillosaurio
@diablillosaurio 3 года назад
wwwoooowwwww,,,i mean what???? slowly slowly,, you puted in 15 minutes more information than other persson in 15 videos, i really aprecciate, thanks for your time
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 3 года назад
Wow, thanks
@ReelHifi
@ReelHifi 5 лет назад
This is an amazing explanation I get it now :) thank you I have literally watched this five times
@AmarDamani
@AmarDamani 5 лет назад
*Simply* great....
@NeonluxDJWorks
@NeonluxDJWorks 5 лет назад
An utmost excellent video. Superb explanation. Totally subscribed and liked!
@jeffhampton6972
@jeffhampton6972 3 года назад
Mr. Beekhuyzen, I really enjoy your videos. They are very informative, and I particularly appreciate you always ending with "enjoy the music." It's simple, but such a good reminder that we're all in this hobby for a reason, and not to lose sight of it or get in fights about different ideas. Thank you!
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 3 года назад
My pleasure
@nakfan
@nakfan 5 лет назад
Excellent video. As usual :-) BR, Per
@ralphclark
@ralphclark 5 лет назад
Very informative
@leonardobenitodevalle814
@leonardobenitodevalle814 5 лет назад
Hans, you are the Man!
@utubeuser1024
@utubeuser1024 3 месяца назад
Interesting video - well said and explained. However I do disagree that higher sampling rates can improve sound quality (especially if the source or original rate was 44.1/48kHz). Using a well constructed modern filter which is able to fit any artefacts into the 2-4kHz bandgap - or alternately as you said, downsampling to 44.1/48 kHz is key.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 3 месяца назад
Let’s agree to disagree 😊
@ProjectOverseer
@ProjectOverseer 5 лет назад
PS ... Love your detailed observations, Hans 👍
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 5 лет назад
Thx man👍🏻
@iandavidlea
@iandavidlea 5 лет назад
Thank you
@mauricefultonii
@mauricefultonii 6 месяцев назад
He lost me at "investigating the flaws in these theorems journalistically, not scientifically." At that point, it's just opinion.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 6 месяцев назад
That’s correct. I never claimed it to be else.
@jannytyler
@jannytyler 4 года назад
When converting from SACD to Flac what is the best conversion type to use? I see options ranging from Integer Multistage to 64Bit Extreme Precision Direct. Thank you
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 4 года назад
Frankly I don’t know.
@rui1863
@rui1863 3 года назад
Not sure; but my thoughts is that DSD is based off the CD sample rate; i.e. DSD64 is 64x44.1kHz. With that in mind, when converting to PCM I would choose a multiple of 44.1kHz; i.e. 24bit/88.2kHz
@jannytyler
@jannytyler 3 года назад
@@rui1863 thanks but that was not my question.
@teeemotee
@teeemotee 4 года назад
I enjoyed this but I am completely lost about the "nasties" that occur in the 3kHz spectrum as a result of filtering above 20khz. As far as I can tell, you haven't offered any explanation as to why that is. If you could elaborate I'd really appreciate it.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 4 года назад
The nasties are caused by time smearing, in general due to digital filtering.
@kenkaminskyj3170
@kenkaminskyj3170 2 месяца назад
So how many Albums can you get in DSD and how many in FLAC ????,
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 2 месяца назад
Good question
@petersperspective6122
@petersperspective6122 5 лет назад
What are these 'nasties' at 3k at cd sample rate?
@petersperspective6122
@petersperspective6122 5 лет назад
Or in other words, why is the filter affecting 3K, when it's set to 20K? If this is true, it would explain a lot. Before all I got from audiophiles was that we needed the extra bandwidth past 20k, but no reason given.. Very frustrating!
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 5 лет назад
It's what filters always do: time smearing> This is what MQA solves to a degree. And it is not AT 3kHz it is the area around 3 kHz where our ears are most sensitive and where the time smearing is most noticeable.
@galaxophone
@galaxophone 4 года назад
All of these relevant video links... I have stuff to do! At least it looks like you'll save me time digging for more info in the long run, though. Great video, very informative! Thanks!
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 4 года назад
Great to hear!
@Tecnetkb
@Tecnetkb 3 года назад
I just had no idea of the complexity of the issue.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 3 года назад
Nothing in audio is easy.
@darthdurkelthewise320
@darthdurkelthewise320 3 года назад
Trust your ears...Great advice that many overlook
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 3 года назад
👍🏼
@midnightwind8067
@midnightwind8067 2 года назад
What an excellent video. Thank you for your clean, professional presentation.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 2 года назад
You're very welcome!
@jhna314
@jhna314 Месяц назад
I doubt DSD has any significance in the world
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Месяц назад
It’s a niche product, that’s for sure.
@ralphsmith2683
@ralphsmith2683 3 года назад
did you ever do any analysis on/with BURR BROWN DACs ?
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 3 года назад
I am only interested in ready to use equipment and not in components.
@ralphsmith2683
@ralphsmith2683 3 года назад
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel can you answer the actual question that I asked? did you ever do any analysis on/with BURR BROWN DACs ?
@JonSaperia
@JonSaperia 5 лет назад
In some download sites, the choice is not DSD vs FLAC. The choice is often FLAC, AIFF, and a few others. Assuming disk space is not an issue, would AIFF be better than FLAC since there is less work for the playback computer?
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 5 лет назад
As i said in the video, AIFF and FLAC contain the same information, it's all about the quality of the player if one sounds better over the other.
@JonSaperia
@JonSaperia 5 лет назад
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Thank you. So a high quality streamer would not be impacted by the extra work of uncompressing FLAC. This makes sense.
@FungedeBagre
@FungedeBagre 5 лет назад
Fantastic video.
@-freespirit-3314
@-freespirit-3314 5 лет назад
It’s all about the ,,,DAC’’’
@haula251
@haula251 4 года назад
It’s all about DAC’s processing
@aaronmathias6739
@aaronmathias6739 5 лет назад
A beautifully concise video that thoroughly debunks the snake oil in the audiophile community.
@OriginalgEd
@OriginalgEd 5 лет назад
very informative. thank you.
@PhillipVella
@PhillipVella 2 года назад
Very well explained. Thank you.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 2 года назад
🙏
@arunkumarnsmorpheus1983
@arunkumarnsmorpheus1983 4 года назад
Good explanation. Stay safe and stay healthy.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 4 года назад
Thank you, I will.
@Layput
@Layput 2 года назад
My files are in FLAC but when I play them, the DAC says DSD 2.8 Mhz. Does my receiver convert the FLAC into DSD on the fly? Or is the file being played using FLAC implementation but the DAC only says DSD because it was converted into DoP?
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 2 года назад
I really can't say. If our receiver does offer PCM to DSD conversion, that is the most likely situation.
@noobiesmurf
@noobiesmurf 3 года назад
Sound advice.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 3 года назад
🙏🏻
@bertjedekat
@bertjedekat 5 лет назад
Bedankt Hans! 👍
@MykeHawke-r9r
@MykeHawke-r9r Месяц назад
Thank you for taking the time to make this video
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Месяц назад
My pleasure
@denisovandrey6313
@denisovandrey6313 Год назад
FLAC. Since most DSD recordings, with the exception of some archived analog master tapes, are made from DXD (i.e. 24-bit 352.8 kHz PCM) there is no rational reason to use DSD 😊
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Год назад
This is not fully correct. The DSD signal remains in DSD, only on edits a very short section is automatically converted to DXD, the edit is calculated and the section is converted back to DSD. Apart from that: for affordable DAC's the signal can be easier to covert to analog since the very high sampling rate requires almost no reconstruction filter.
@paker51
@paker51 5 лет назад
Thank you!
@garymiles484
@garymiles484 Год назад
Maybe, just maybe, one day the audiophile community will stop blaming the format but instead blame the real culprit, the filters, the DAC.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Год назад
👍🏼
@RobWhittlestone
@RobWhittlestone 3 года назад
EXCELLENT explanations, Hans. All the best, Rob
@progrocker84
@progrocker84 2 месяца назад
There are too many good things I could say about this video. Thank you for all your work, Hans. You have made the rabbit hole that much easier to navigate.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 2 месяца назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@CraftAero
@CraftAero 4 года назад
Thanks for the "no BS" approach.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 4 года назад
🙏
@foraslan5801
@foraslan5801 Год назад
Thank you so, so much for adding English subtitles so as to understand technical terms with your native accent.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Год назад
👍🏼
@ALBERTO-mg1sq
@ALBERTO-mg1sq Год назад
Wonderfull explanation that I think will helping a lot of Audiophile People. Thanks so much !
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Год назад
my pleasure
@DenisDamulira23
@DenisDamulira23 3 года назад
I've listened to Hotel California in FLAC and the same file in DSD and the DSD sounded a little better and more 3 dimensional.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 3 года назад
That means primarily that your DAC is better in reproducing DSD better than PCM. At least, with the track you used.
@manuelcarcassesborges5079
@manuelcarcassesborges5079 Год назад
Excelente explicación. Muy profesional y asequible para los que no somos cientificos en el tema pero apreciamos el audio con calidad. Este canal es mi favorito en el tema del audio musical. Muchas gracias.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Год назад
🙏
@musikalniyfanboichik
@musikalniyfanboichik 3 года назад
should i bother getting dsd if i'm listening to music from my phone, not player?
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 3 года назад
I don’t know much about phones
@carloslarard
@carloslarard 3 года назад
a humble question to add is, if you had a SACD or mastering source .ISO disc file, and if you convert to DSD, and then using the same source to FLAC without any compression, which will sound better? running the properly DAC which could run natively both format. :)
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 3 года назад
That is a question that is impossible to answer. If the source file is recorded in DSD, conversion to PCM will give a (very) small loss in quality. If the file is recorded in PCM and then converted to DSD, there equally will be a (very) small loss. It then depends on the DAC. Some will do PCM better, others DSD. A DAC that does PCM AND DSD equally good, is unknown to me. Illustrated: the Chord DAVE can be switched between optimised for DSD or optimised for PCM.
@carloslarard
@carloslarard 3 года назад
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel thanks for take your time for the explanation. I'm aware of that. if you had a studio quality ISO file, for sure, DSD will comply with top quality. in my humble opinion.
@gibgun
@gibgun 5 лет назад
Hans the type of homie that your turn off your Adblock for 👍
@danbretherton
@danbretherton 5 лет назад
What are your thoughts of software such as HQplayer upsampling 44.1 to say DSD 512?
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 5 лет назад
I have no thoughts on products I haven't reviewed. Sorry.
@klewja
@klewja 5 лет назад
Have you had a chance to try the Chord Mscaler? I am interested to hear you thoughts on it and the effects it has on the final sound.
@7029100
@7029100 5 лет назад
Technical details are well explained, much less if a difference is audible or meaningful, which are what really matters, the second much more over the first. For that I would not dismiss compression so easily.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 2 года назад
What sounds the best depends largely on the equipment used. Some equipment handles DSD better, other do PCM better.
@yngwiemalmsteem18
@yngwiemalmsteem18 Год назад
Thanks for your detailed wisdom good sir.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Год назад
My pleasure
@RodCine
@RodCine 5 лет назад
Woah Thank you for this educational video.
@justanotheryoutubeuser5029
@justanotheryoutubeuser5029 4 года назад
Great explanation. There are other youtube videos that dont like dsd and flac is enough for them. So i tried it... got a better dac that plays dsd natively. There is a difference and no one could tell me other wise. The dsd and sacd sounded better to me, while 24bit flac sound fine. If i didnot hear any difference, i would be happier to listen to flac. Listen and trust your ears is the best advise for people going in to the hobby.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 4 года назад
It all depends on your hardware.
@Charlie-zj3hw
@Charlie-zj3hw 5 лет назад
Great video..It's funny it takes me a few minutes to adjust to his accent
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 5 лет назад
I am still not used to it 😁
@ZERO-CAPACITANCE
@ZERO-CAPACITANCE Год назад
Excellent material and presentation.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Год назад
Thanks for watching
@ZERO-CAPACITANCE
@ZERO-CAPACITANCE Год назад
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel my first video as I start my day!! Going to buy Aldine more SACD’s and work on my player :-)
@METALDKNO
@METALDKNO 4 года назад
Thanks for the amazing information and video.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 4 года назад
Glad it was helpful!
@accelerat0r747
@accelerat0r747 4 года назад
very well explained Sr !
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 4 года назад
Thanks and welcome
@franoisdemiras9446
@franoisdemiras9446 3 года назад
Superbe 👍♥️
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 3 года назад
🙏🏽
@taranagnew436
@taranagnew436 2 года назад
so what does dsd do/ is used for?
@taranagnew436
@taranagnew436 2 года назад
does the sampling rate effect the dsd?
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 2 года назад
DSD uses 64 times higher sampling rate compared to CD but it only uses 1 bit in stead of 16. It's just another way of coding audio.
@taranagnew436
@taranagnew436 2 года назад
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel and can you use dsd bia bluetooth or is it only for wired headphones?
@ornorra
@ornorra 3 года назад
The theorem was not really about sampling with numerical values (digital) but sampling with pulses ( dirac delta). Storing the pulses with numerical values is not the core of the theory. An overlooked part of the theory is the reconstruction part. It is often said that all you need is to sample at twice the sampling rate of the highest signal frequency and you are fine. Just add a HF filter at the input to limit the frequency. One problem is that signal that start and stop have a wideband spectrum compared to the steady state signal that the theory deals with. The reconstruction of the signal assumes a sinc filter or a brickwall filter at the output. It is a part of the mathematics that the reconstructed signal is an addition of endless sinc pulses. This is never done in practice and various type of HF output filters are used. Sometimes none, an approach by Audio Note. No wonder digital does sound non natural to many ears.
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel
@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel 3 года назад
You're so right. BTW the Chord WTA filtering constructs the analog signal with sync pulses which explains the sound quality. But even then only products like the M-Scaler come close to what I consider to be close to optimal.
@ornorra
@ornorra 3 года назад
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel I have never heard the M scaler but very curious to hear. Maybe one day this can be done cost effectively.
@raymondculpepper2203
@raymondculpepper2203 5 лет назад
Hans I need a good computer to run my Brooklyn DAC and sotm 200 ultra thxs
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