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What is Free Will? (Metaphysics) 

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The start of a new series on positions on free will, including an explanation of the principle trilemma in free will, and an introduction to the positions of determinism, libertarianism, compatibilism, incompatibilism, hard determinism and freedomism.
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@calepiaro6822
@calepiaro6822 3 года назад
I am relatively new to philosophy and you are right, this problem truly was one of the first one that crossed my mind! I cannot wait for more videos to come to this series.
@RareSeldas
@RareSeldas 3 года назад
excellent video, my friends and I have written a lot about these three premises, but good to see them clearly presented on RU-vid something people ought to consider more is that there's a difference between 'free will' and the 'perception of free will'
@crowemagnum1337
@crowemagnum1337 3 года назад
I have been struggling sorting this out on my own. This did a wonderful job
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 3 года назад
Thanks! I'm glad to help.
@bobvanluijt897
@bobvanluijt897 3 года назад
I want to second this, what an impressive, compressed output you generate Carneades. Really impressive.
@kazikmajster5650
@kazikmajster5650 10 месяцев назад
This video just states what free will is. There are 3 positions: 1.Determinism - Free will does not exist, everything is predestined. 2.Compatibilism - Everything is predestined, but (somehow) we have free will. 3.Libertarianism (do not confuse with the political view) - Everything is not determined. And we have free will.
@Experimentaccount1
@Experimentaccount1 3 года назад
Will exists-it’s never necessarily free, but its existence is possible. Will’s freedom exists in varying degrees. The choice in proposition discarded depends on the domain being spoken about as well as the scope of what is being said-which probably (like most I’d imagine) makes me a compatibilist. I believe will & desire exist on opposite poles.
@user-pb4nz9sj5i
@user-pb4nz9sj5i 3 года назад
What is the difference between a will and a desire?
@memegazer
@memegazer 6 месяцев назад
To my view free will is meant to convey the concept that there are a set of possible outcomes such that there is an ability to make a decision to increase the probability of a given outcome to become more likely. Also people seem to forget that determinism is an interpretation of physics, and it is not without it's own logical inconsistencies, a great source on those inconsistencies is "A Primer on Determinism" by Earman. Earman has also published supplemental work on these issues that is worth reading as well. Another issue worth mentioning is that it seems unintuitive that evolution would select for an "illusion" about "free will" if it was not possible for that to exist in reality such that it makes no difference to survival to have such false observations. For example creatures evolved neurology bc in the ocean there existed degrees of spatial freedom, up, down, left, right, foward, back, and having neurology allowed that organism to capitalize on those degrees of freedom to it's benefit. Also there is a bit of a false dichotomy going on used to justify some of the conclusions being made in debate about this topic. Primarily that we must decide if either determinism of true randomness is true, but to my view there is no reason to assume it is not possible that there is some other paradigm that exists as a third option and might demonstrate that two concepts are not mutually exclusive or some other deeper understanding that avoids the pitfalls of the current state of stagnation in philosophy about how all these concepts are related and seemingly reasonable tools for thinking about the world.
@newbygamer
@newbygamer 3 года назад
I want "determinism al dente" on a shirt
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 3 года назад
I love it! I can't take credit for it, I think that the famous hard determinist Derk Pereboom coined the phrase. :)
@williamsimkulet7832
@williamsimkulet7832 3 года назад
This should be fun. Libertarianism - I'm inclined to agree with Galen Strawson - we cannot help but think we have the ability to do otherwise in certain circumstances. Contra Strawson, I believe that the ubiquity of these sensations of apparent freedom are sufficient to justify the belief in it. When dealing with agents, we assume indeterminism - freedom to do otherwise, and when dealing with non-agents, we assume determinism. Both assumptions have the same epistemic priority, and they are not incompatible. Science assumes universal, rather than local, determinism; but pretheoretically we do not.
@jamespierce5355
@jamespierce5355 6 месяцев назад
One logical conclusion of determinism is that there is no truth. No true or false. Your statement and my statement were just as equally determined to happen. One proposition could not be more true than the other if they are both merely the effects of physics.
@Alkis05
@Alkis05 3 года назад
Determinism is sufficient for free will not existing. Non-determinism is necessary, but not sufficient for free will to exist (eg: randomness don't actually creates free will). There is evidence that determinism is true, even though it is still an open issue. The question is, what would be sufficient condition for free will existing? I can't even answer that question.
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 3 года назад
A very incompatibilist position. The compatibilist would deny your claim that determinism is sufficient for free will not existing. But the debate between the hard determinist and the libertarian about whether determinism is true is a live issue that will have a substantial impact on the debate overall. Proof that libertarian free will exists would need to a situation where all the preconditions are identical (identical environment, identical brain states of all involved), but a different choice is made. It is a steep hill to climb.
@icew0lf98
@icew0lf98 3 года назад
so do libertarianists think that they were predetermined to do something or not, is the last part of p2 only there so that the trilemma formulation works
@hamooozmugharbel
@hamooozmugharbel 3 года назад
Accepting all these 3 doesn't lead to inconsistency. 1 can be accepted while allowing for free will as "the ability to do otherwise". Libertarians don't deny the first premise either we merely hold that there is an appropriately non random indeterminacy with regards to some of our choices.
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 3 года назад
Yes it does. The first premise requires complete determinacy, not just a lack of randomness. Libertarians can construct a different version of premise 1 which allows for indeterminacy, but that is not what determinists and compatibilists accept.
@hamooozmugharbel
@hamooozmugharbel 3 года назад
@@CarneadesOfCyrene the first premise is that the universe follows deterministic laws and not that ALL events are governed by deterministic laws. You probably meant the latter but just poniting it out
@successfulfailure3272
@successfulfailure3272 Год назад
When you say youre a skeptic, do you mean a free-will skeptic (as in you lean towards hard-incompatiblism/determinism), or that you are skeptical of the current conceptual landscape of the debate? (Would this make you a revisionist like Manuel Vargas?).
@geraldmay9408
@geraldmay9408 3 года назад
Skeptics are skeptical of every dogma and doctrine, except skepticism.
@jordannewberry9561
@jordannewberry9561 3 года назад
Pyrrhonian skeptics are skeptical of every dogma and doctrine including skepticism.
@fouadnouioua7069
@fouadnouioua7069 3 года назад
Is defining free will as "the ability of doing what we want to do" would be sufficient for compatibilism ?
@Alkis05
@Alkis05 3 года назад
I don't think so. I would say that has more to do with the negative: You have free will when you are not coerced to do something. A slave could be coerced to do something he wants, that doesn't mean he is free.
@fouadnouioua7069
@fouadnouioua7069 3 года назад
@@Alkis05 If we define free will as "the ability of doing what we want to do" : We have free will if we are able to do what we want to do. A slave would either want to resist or not to resist. If he wants to resist, he could resist. If he wants 'not to resist' , he could 'not resist'. Therefore he has free will.
@Alkis05
@Alkis05 3 года назад
@@fouadnouioua7069 That definitely doesn't fall under the compatibilist view of free will. If someone is acting under duress and don't resist, let's say, being robbed (even though he doesn't want to be robbed), he is not acting by his own free will.
@fouadnouioua7069
@fouadnouioua7069 3 года назад
@@Alkis05 So, we can say that we have free will unless we are enslaved or forced.
@Alkis05
@Alkis05 3 года назад
@@fouadnouioua7069 What do you mean by free? Or rephrasing it, what does it mean to say you were forced to do something?
@GeorgWilde
@GeorgWilde 3 года назад
Wisdom is when you ignore the right "mysteries".
@victor9547
@victor9547 3 года назад
Soft determinism makes a lot more sense to me.
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 3 года назад
It is one of the more common views in modern philosophy. The challenge is determining exactly how you would define the concept of free will.
@ferencdojcsak8576
@ferencdojcsak8576 3 года назад
I'd drop the clishé here and say that compatibilists are just closeted determinists. :) On a serious note, I do think that at this point, science quite convincingly tells us that the universe and we in it follow "deterministic laws" (and I don't even like the term laws, as we don't follow them, they just describe how the universe works). The only question is if we want to salvage and redefine "free will", going down the compatibilist road, just like we did with "atom", "energy", "psyche" and so on, or we let the term fade away, given its historical signifance and baggage.
@jml5926
@jml5926 3 года назад
How about freewill defined as agent causation. That the cause of decision is the agent him/herself and not some other agents.
@Alkis05
@Alkis05 3 года назад
The problem is to define what is an agent without recurring to free will, or else it would lead to a circular reasoning: free will as agent causation, agent defined as someone who has free will.
@jml5926
@jml5926 3 года назад
@@Alkis05 I don't see the problem. You have an agent, someone with a will to decide that is not cause by anyone else but the agent him/herself.
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 3 года назад
Sounds like a compatibilist position. The concern is distinguishing what is actually caused by an agent and what is not. Is something you were brainwashed to do, caused by you? If not where do you draw the line between brainwashing and what your parents taught you?
@jml5926
@jml5926 3 года назад
@@CarneadesOfCyrene Something like that. For example, the decision to ask what caused you to ask that kind of particular question. Is it something brainwashed to you or not? If it is something that was brainwashed to you, would it mean it is not you who caused your decision?
@lrwerewolf
@lrwerewolf 3 года назад
The agent doesn't exist, they are merely illusionary arrangements on quantum fields (or something substantively similar). These evolve according to Schrodinger's equations, which are entirely deterministic.
@incollectio
@incollectio 3 года назад
Depending on how we define "free will", I'm either a compatibilist or a free will skeptic (more specifically, a hard incompatibilist). Compatibilist in the sense that people can physically be either prevented or not to act against their experienced voluntary will. "Free will" is then manifested whenever a person is 'free' to exercise their experienced will without physical involuntary compulsion to do otherwise. Hard incompatibilist in the sense that no matter what physical restrictions our experienced voluntary will is or is not faced with, we can never do other than we do, because it appears everything in the universe - including our thoughts and actions - is governed by a combination of prior states of the universe and the laws of nature (whether deterministic or indeterministic). Thus, there is no "free will" to exercise, ever, but only the unfolding universe we, as conscious creatures, are forced to experience.
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 3 года назад
The position that you offer is generally considered compatibilist. What you call "hard incompatibilism" would generally be referred to as anti-libertarianism or general determinism. Compatibilists generally agree with hard determinists that you cannot do otherwise, they just disagree as to whether that means you are free.
@incollectio
@incollectio 3 года назад
@@CarneadesOfCyrene That's interesting. I've actually thought of myself more as a free will skeptic as I don't see the necessity to use the term "free" when describing voluntariness and lack of compulsion (and people seem to usually think of libertarian ideas when talking about "free will"). Partly this is also due to me being ignorant of how exactly do (different) compatibilists think about moral responsibility. Personally, I reject desert-based/backward-looking moral responsibility. Thus, insofar as compatibilists do not do so, I couldn't consider myself a compatibilist. I'm hoping the book "Just Deserts" by Gregg Caruso and Daniel Dennett, that comes out this month, might provide some clarification on how compatibilists (or at least Dennett) think about moral responsibility. "Hard incompatibilism" is a term used by Gregg Caruso and Derk Pereboom, for example, to describe their position. Caruso's SEP article on 'Skepticism About Moral Responsibility' provides an outline I very much sympathise with.
@bigmike4133
@bigmike4133 3 года назад
I fall somewhere in the compatiblist camp insofar as I am of the mind that our concern for free will is ultimately the concern for the culpability of conscious actors. For my will to be free I must act without coercion by any actor other than myself. The allowance by the universe for me to do otherwise seems inconsequential, so long as the universe is not a conscious creature.
@KEvronista
@KEvronista 3 года назад
any action we take must be done so out of preference. it is impossible for us to act consciously without preferring to take that action, even if that action is coerced. preference is part of the reasoning process upon which our actions are necessarily predicated; our preferences inform our every move. we acquire our preferences via the deterministic factors of evolution, personal genetics and environment, the occurrence of all three being consistent with universal constants. KEvron
@Alkis05
@Alkis05 3 года назад
Problem is "actor" is a very ill defined term. Intuitively it would be defined as some entity capable of free will, in the compatibilist view, would beg the question. At best, compatibilism is just plain determinism with semantic sugar (a reference to syntax sugar in programming language)
@bigmike4133
@bigmike4133 3 года назад
@@Alkis05 I can see how the use of that definition would be problematic but do you really think the freedom of will is a definitional component of one who acts? I don't think it necessarily has to be anything more than an entity that is both capable of and does Act.
@KEvronista
@KEvronista 3 года назад
@@bigmike4133 *"I don't think it necessarily has to be anything more than an entity that is both capable of and does Act."* depends on what we mean by "act." determinists and libertarians both use the term exclusively wrt reasoning agents, so i would agree that "free will" is not necessarily inferred from "actor." not sure about alkis' take on it wrt to compatibilism, though. he'll need to elaborate. KEvron
@KEvronista
@KEvronista 3 года назад
@@Alkis05 *"it would be defined as some entity capable of free will, in the compatibilist view"* could you elaborate on this? KEvron
@skepticedge2792
@skepticedge2792 3 года назад
I think we should ask these questions : R we totally free in our ideas & our knowledge ? R we totally free in our capabilities to do an act ? R we totally free in our emotions & feelings ? R we totally free in our options ?
@bilbosepisteme1004
@bilbosepisteme1004 3 года назад
What are you going to do with all the time you saved by writing, "R"?
@skepticedge2792
@skepticedge2792 3 года назад
@@bilbosepisteme1004 may be thinking
@bilbosepisteme1004
@bilbosepisteme1004 3 года назад
@@skepticedge2792 mmm nice
@skepticedge2792
@skepticedge2792 3 года назад
@@thotslayer9914 may be
@skepticedge2792
@skepticedge2792 3 года назад
@@thotslayer9914 u can say i follow demonstrable evidence & logic
@kaenderguru894
@kaenderguru894 3 года назад
Compatibilism "appeals" to me bc I am of the opinion that the universe follows deterministic laws, but I don't think u can break or undermine those laws with ur free will, I think if one thinks so and does in consequence otherwise(to prove free will or to escape the situation) one still operates within those laws. And I don't really know why but I don't really believe in coincidents, I think when one thinks something is random infact one just doesn't know enough. *one includes my self because one can never know enough, wich makes my whole view more of a belief, because i dont think it can ever be proven...
@icew0lf98
@icew0lf98 3 года назад
I'm a soft determinist, I believe that the decisions I make aren't entirely dependent on the laws of the universe
@jordannewberry9561
@jordannewberry9561 3 года назад
So you reject the given definition of free will. How do you define free will?
@redsparks2025
@redsparks2025 3 года назад
I use my non-existent existent free will to choose not to engage in the choice of debating free will :P The free will debate is only for actual philosophers with too much free time on their hand so as to waste time trolling noobies about free will for the lolz and for armchair philosopher to demonstrate on online forums how much of a noob they actually are. This is one subject from the philosophy class where I would be proud to fail by handing in a blank page as my assignment thesis. Though that blank page may actually earn me a pass depending on the teachers position on free will. A practical demonstration is better than words ;)
@Overonator
@Overonator 3 года назад
Compatibilism appeals to me because it seems to have a different concept of free will.
@Overonator
@Overonator 3 года назад
@@thotslayer9914 A good way of putting it.
@KEvronista
@KEvronista 3 года назад
basically, it's determinism, but it defines free will differently from that used in the argument between determinists and libertarians. i think of it as a cargo cult that fetishizes free will. KEvron
@KEvronista
@KEvronista 3 года назад
@@thotslayer9914 it's right there in the op: *_"appeals to me_*_ because it seems to have _*_a different concept of free will."_* KEvron
@KEvronista
@KEvronista 3 года назад
....a few bamboo sticks, a few banana leaves ....some hanging vines, to bind it all together ....et voila! _fR3e ɯ1LLz!_ KEvron
@studentsteph
@studentsteph 3 года назад
@@thotslayer9914 it's quite literally called "soft determinism"
@dakyion
@dakyion 3 года назад
I don't know if you know the school of Ash'ari ( islamic theological school) May be it seems irrelevant, but this school has developed a lot of philosophical theories One of the main theories is in the free will dilemma They refer to free will as the possibility of choice to be related to two contrary things ( do and don't do ) if one of them happened but the possibility of the other one was there then that is free will It's somehow not clear even for the members of this great school! But I think , it can be called semi free will First, The theory admits that nothing happens only by the will of God ! Second, The theory clearly say that there is no physical determinism ( all physical events are probabilistic relative to each other) Third, All events are the creation of God ( it is not similar the first point ) Including conscious human actions Four, Human has something that we call will God willed that we will ! So everything that is coming from this thing called will , will not go against God will because he willed that we will ! This will that we claim for humans is an ability to choose between two contrary things ( do or do not ) The choice is instantaneous with the creation of this ability, so it is A necessary thing for other , Possible for it self ! How it choose? We say simple things has no how! Then we build it to say : God willed us to to will He knows what we will Either he will what we will to happen or not! If if he willed it to happen, the action is acquired to you , and you will be responsible for it ! ( case 1) Otherwise, the action is acquired to you but no responsibility! ( case 2 ) The case one is referring to things done with the presence of will like the movement of hand The case two is referring to actions that we cannot control Paralysis, Shivering!
@ErnolDawnbringer
@ErnolDawnbringer 3 года назад
I think compatibilism comes into play here
@AndreasKurz
@AndreasKurz 3 года назад
There are many arguements for compatiblism. And if we make the frame bigger (by looking at moral systems) there maybe is no inconsistency anymore. For example the christian believe: If you act according to gods plan (P1) while god lets you choose between good and evel (P3) you will get absolute free will (P2) after you died. Guess this might hold true for many religous believes, fe. also Shintoism, Muslims and so on. Also in real life there might me no contradiction between P1, P2 and P3 if you accept to act accordingly to the laws of nature (or god). Following those laws is life-giving. Not following them death (fe you can't be free of gavity without floating into space, you can't stop breathing, and so on). Ultimately if you would defy nature in it's whole you yourself couldn't be you anymore because you follow natures laws. If you are not you you wouldn't have come to the point asking that question. So basically you are part of the law itsself. Which could lead us to Spinoza I guess.... :D
@nightspore4850
@nightspore4850 3 года назад
If you deny free will, are you free to do that? If not, who is denying what?
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 3 года назад
If you deny free will, then you are not free when you do so, but we can still claim that you did it, even if you didn't choose to. A car may not have free will, but we can still say that it hit someone. A computer may not have free will, but it can still hold information and spit it out. For the hard determinist, in some ways you are no more than a fleshy computer.
@jeremyhansen9197
@jeremyhansen9197 3 года назад
In my opinion the only really coherent idea is compatiblism, however I don't think the idea is necessary.
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 3 года назад
Many modern philosophers would agree with you, though the incompatibilist has some powerful objections we'll cover in the series.
@littlebigphil
@littlebigphil 3 года назад
Compatibilism. Free will is the idea that people act purposefully. 'Free will' is used as a requirement for the justification of incentivization structures (punishment or reward), and this definition is what would make sense for that context.
@KEvronista
@KEvronista 3 года назад
will is the idea that people act purposefully, and it's the product of deterministic factors. KEvron
@CarneadesOfCyrene
@CarneadesOfCyrene 3 года назад
Sussing out exactly what you mean by "acting purposefully" will be the challenge for the compatibilist. And the hard determinist will make the case that we can have incentive structures without free will.
@thelonewolfproduction5200
@thelonewolfproduction5200 2 года назад
TherE is no free will. We have a feel of having free will like in the dream we have same feel. In the dream we feel yes am taking the decision but in reality it's not me in the dream but mind had taken all the decision on my behalf. So free will is just an illusion.
@bropeterdimond
@bropeterdimond 3 года назад
I am a libertarianist
@alphaomega1089
@alphaomega1089 3 года назад
The universe isn't deterministic. Laws can be broken. Free will does exist (it is called death or there has to be an afterlife - forever eternal).
@alphaomega1089
@alphaomega1089 3 года назад
Why even question it? Reason: can't do as you like even in your dreams (maybe this imaginary god didn't want to dream about us). Cold fury! Maybe wanted to feel alive (not a lump of rock). Free your mind! No external influence. The Universe managed it.
@alphaomega1089
@alphaomega1089 3 года назад
The definitions used in this video is circular and untrue to form one mind (worldview). Don't fall for it. "God made me do it!" or "Had a gun pinned to head!" Not an excuse! You surrendered your free will! You didn't deserve it if that's the case!
@MatthewMartinDean
@MatthewMartinDean 2 года назад
I'm trying to imagine what the universe would look like with free will and what it would look like with out free will and I think they look the same. Pragmatically, this is some sort of word game, alternate descriptions of the same thing.
@thasukisonyahsone1323
@thasukisonyahsone1323 2 года назад
Ok. Im just done. Lmbo Call me dumb. I'll take it.
@user-md1pw4wr4u
@user-md1pw4wr4u 3 года назад
Will is subjuctive, ambiguous and irrelevant. Before we can ask if we have will, we first need to know what we are. What is personhood? Are we individuals? The proverbial "we" don't possess enough information to understand and pursue such questions. Again, the idea of will is fun but superficial and irrelevant. That said, we should never stop asking why and always stride forward to the pursuit of knowledge and understanding. All that said, I lean towards hard determinism. But I don't claim it's objective. It just appeals to my philosophical biases.
@KEvronista
@KEvronista 3 года назад
*"the idea of will is fun but superficial and irrelevant."* we must reason in order to act. that reasoning is will. KEvron
@user-md1pw4wr4u
@user-md1pw4wr4u 3 года назад
@@KEvronista that's an intuitive thought. First I want to clarify, I don't claim to have any answers. Just a fellow curious pursuer of knowledge. That said, I retort with, I question the validity of our understanding of reality both objectively and subjectively to make claims of any understanding. I will assume reasoning and action require consciousness? To which I ask, what is consciousness? What is sentience? I propose, in order to discuss, will, we first need to determine objectively what consciousness/sentience is. I'm not convinced that we have done that.
@KEvronista
@KEvronista 3 года назад
@@user-md1pw4wr4u *"To which I ask, what is consciousness?"* of course, it's a fair question, but in the debate between determinism and free will, the proposition that we are conscious actors is axiomatic - it's a given, and not debated - else the further debate is pointless. that is, there's no point in debating free will if we don't first grant that we are conscious actors who might (or might not) employ free will. KEvron
@user-md1pw4wr4u
@user-md1pw4wr4u 3 года назад
@@KEvronista first I want to extend my gratitude for your civilness. There are too many keyboard warriors out there. This is merely fun discourse. We're not solving the world's problems, so thank you. Well, you hit the nail on the head. I am proposing that the question of will is possibly pointless because we don't know what consciousness is. At least I haven't come across in convincing proposals of what consciousness is. Otherwise we wouldn't still be debating and studying it. That said, I'm not suggesting that we stop asking questions just because we don't have enough information or understanding. Otherwise we wouldn't have progressed to now. I'm more or less playing devil's advocate. Again, despite my argument of what will and consciousness are, I lean towards hard determinism. I forgot to add. I'm a firm supporter that in order to understand and discuss an idea. That idea needs and must have an objective definition. Without a definitive objective definition, the idea can not be objectively relayed. I hold objectivity in the highest regards. Granted we humans are rarely objective. It's much easier to confirm our biases. I realize that is easier said than done when the ideas we're discussing are abstract. Again, I'm merely playing devil's advocate so that we don't develop tunnel vision. Sorry for the rant, still decided to leave it in.
@KEvronista
@KEvronista 3 года назад
@@user-md1pw4wr4u *"I am proposing that the question of will is possibly pointless because we don't know what consciousness is."* how do you define it, and are you it? it's tough to define, given its elusive nature. with what can we examine our consciousness, when it seems to be our consciousness that does the examining?! "i know it when i'm conscious of it" doesn't work.... hmm, maybe "the state of reasoning?" KEvron
@KEvronista
@KEvronista 3 года назад
libertarians must accept that thoughts can ultimately have no cause other than themselves. compatibilism superfluously uses free, because who doesn't want free will?! ameyereight?!?! will is the reasoning upon which action is predicated. it's the product of deterministic factors, just like everything else in the universe. KEvron
@KEvronista
@KEvronista 3 года назад
@@thotslayer9914 shouldn't you be out gathering banana leaves? _snort!_ KEvron
@DioD3
@DioD3 3 года назад
Quantum mechanics tells us that there are no determinism so I would lean to the Libertarianism. Although I could see points for compatibilism too.
@Alkis05
@Alkis05 3 года назад
Non determinism is not a suficient condition for free will. It allows for freedom, maybe, but not for will. If you make decisions by playing dice, that is not will, much less free will.
@Alkis05
@Alkis05 3 года назад
Also, determinism in quantum mechanics is an open question. We don't understand enough about the fundamental aspects of quantum mechanics to say one or the other. To back up what I'm saying search for loopholes of bell's type experiments that are still standing today.
@hamooozmugharbel
@hamooozmugharbel 3 года назад
@@Alkis05 sure and determinism on the macro level is equally an open question
@Alkis05
@Alkis05 3 года назад
​@@thotslayer9914 No, not at college. I did studied enough to understand that your question is irrelevant and hints at a fallacious argument. But if you disagree with what I said, instead of asking me that question, why don't you address what was said, instead of asking pointless questions?
@Alkis05
@Alkis05 3 года назад
@@thotslayer9914 I really could care less about what you think of my competence. Feel free to criticize my arguments and ideas, though. That is how we learn, by having people scrutinizing each others arguments. Why arrogant. I never clamed to have a better understanding of philosophy than anyone, including you. Am I arrogant just because I gave my opinion or understanding about stuff? I'm really confused. If I'm nobody to you, why did you come here and waste your time telling me that?
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