WHAT IS: Kinnie, Kinning, A kin?! [Explanation, history, opinion] 

Exactly this ^ THIS is the reason why these terms (kinnie, kinning, a kin) shouldn’t be used while Other clear terminology already exists. It’s confusing! - Have you watched the entire video? It should be clear then. I even specificy state “a kin”, used by a kinnie to indicate a chosen kintype is not the same as “a kintype” or “a wolfkin”. Which is actual otherkin/therian/etc terminology indicating that being that you identify as. Kinning is the act of chosing to identify as an animal. And not used by the actual therian/otherkin community. We say “identifying as” or “having experiences of” A kinnie is a person who choses to identify as a certain creature. Often temporarily, for fun, for coping etc. They claim to be a therian/otherkin/etc Actual therians and otherkin do not chose to identify as a being, they just happen to do (like how a transgender does not chose to be a boy or girl but just happens to be one). Those “kinnie/kinning/a kin” words are indeed way too simular to regular otherkin terminology, confusing, etc. Give a bad image to the outside like that we chose this and just roleplay or are all kids who don’t take it serious. And therefore dicouraged to use.

Thanks for the info. I think I needed the explanation.

I am a therian myself and I am only 12 but I take it quite seriously. This video was very helpful and kind of made me question if I was a kinnie or a therian. But I personally think that I am a Therian as I have had many shifts before. My theriotype is a North American indean dog. Thank you again PD for your amazing videos.

that happens with every word if you say it over and over

@@itsmeblue9 I have that with the word "Epic"

i'm glad that it did!

Same

OMG i have not been on youtube therian vids in awhile i was super busy hahah -w- - moon334ms

I have a ton of fictionkin friends who also get extremely irritated by the 'fictionkinnies' who also use 'fictionkin' and are nowhere near experiencing what Actual fictionkin is.. 'I want to be this character' doesn't come close to a fictionkins true experience :/

You're not a fictional character.

@@fantasticfanatic1610 why are you here?

@@theanonymous.5940 Because I can be. I can be wherever I want to be.

@@fantasticfanatic1610godspeed

Ves McVoid the issue here is that 4 to 7 of those 9 reasons simply aren’t fictionkin, otherkin or therians. It is not that I relate to cats by example, that I am a cat therian. (4-7 as I ain’t quiet sure what fictives is and one being reincarnated does not automaticly make one a therian/otherkin/fiction unless if they still feel as if they are this being in this life. But still could be). Most fictionkin that I know, who mostly stay out of the fictionkin community because of drama and toxic experiences appearently, will refuse to use the kinnie/... terminology. Why should you? Just use regular therian/otherkin/fictionkin/.. terminology like all others. Also because it gives a basicly 7 out of 9 chance your experiences are not actually otherkin(etc) but just relating by example. Not that a connection, relating, feeling simular to etc ain’t important or real experiences tho. I’m strongly connected ro cats, I heavily relate to cats, I share many simularities to cats, I have a strong bond and past with cats. Heck, I even have frequent cat cameoshifts due how strongly related I am to these animals. But that doesn’t make me a cat “kinnie” (if this cat would have been a fictional character u imply I would have possibly been a kinnie) I’m just cat-kith. Animalhearted, kith with cats. Super cool! Super valid! But not otherkin/therian/fictionkin. I appreciate your explaination deeply. But my personal opinion stands that the terminology as how you explained is not related to actual otherkin/etc experiences but to copinglinking, kith etc. In most cases, and therefore confusing to use. As well as unnecessary. (Which sorta defeats the purpose of terminology all together) And that’s no hate to the fictionkin community tho! I have fictionkin friends and they’re super super cool. But not “kinnies” who relate to a character. And should probably call themselves (character)-kith instead.

Benny if you had watched the full video (which I Think? You did) you’d know I never said “all”, I always clearly said “most” and even noted that “some” do legit identify as those characters. But implied it’s the “minority”. I understand you feel attacked and talked about, but no need to twist my words either. I don’t “police”. I repeat the Majority of the community (again, never said “all”) their opinions & views/understanding. Including the Kinnies I talked to and observed. First of all I’d like to imply I have a Lot of fictionkin friends. From fictional characters to species. They all hate the word “kinnie”, feel ridiculated by it and stay out of fictionkin communities due the toxic atmosphere, the “no doubles” stuff and the kinnie stuff. We tried talking to kinnies on an individual basis but were met with hostility, invalidation screaming and anger. Those I did get the chance to talk to, were: as I said in the video. Mostly kinnies for coping or fun. Just loosely relating etc. I just repeat facts. Next I’d like to reply on your definitions of what a kinnie would be. Kinning for fun: okay, fair enough that may be a thing that didn’t have a term yet. But that’s exactly why we hate this term: for fun, a choice, an activity. Something therian and otherkin are the opposite of. If kinnies would Just use own terminology, we wouldn’t have an issue. But they’re mixing terms like kin, kintype, shifts, therian, otherkin etc in their terminology. This confuses the outside world, the inner communities, maks communication counterproductive and confusing and is generally stealing terminology from communities you do not belong in. Create your own terminology Not based on “kin terms and we have no problem. Copingkinnies: so.. you mean copinglinks? This is just a case of not wanting to settle with your already existing terminology and communities and having the desire to create a place to belong to (kinnies). Copinglinkers are a thing, and valid, they even experience shifts. Some choose, others not as much. That’s alright. No need to call yourself a kinnie. Copinglinkers can also be fictional. Spiritual kinnies: this is just fictionkin a la otherkin / therian. You are a character due a past life. Or you identify as a character. Congratulations, you can leave the term kinnie and all confusing mixes of terminology and just call yourself otherkin You relate to a character: you are aware this is what they’ve been designed for? And that’s cool. I relate to stitch, Bolt and Toothless.. i guess I’m a kinnie now cuz I connect them to me and accept them in my lil worlds bubble.. tho, I’d never say that makes me a “kinnie”. Just one of 1000 people wo relates heavily to stitch. And that’s the issue: the word “kinnie” holds no ground. You have terminology that already exists. Kinnie is just.. like how I told to others in pm: “those who fall slightly out of the boat of otherkin/therian and need a place to belong” Kinnies are not fictionkin. Kinnies are their own thing. I know too many fictionkin that do not at all relate to a kinnies experience and are not kinnies and never will call themselves so. You got otherkin, therian, actual fictionkin, and kinnies that just use every term in existence in a big mix. But are mainly found in the ficionkin community due less gatekeeping or critism or people pulling up an eyebrow. Sorry if I come over rough, I appreciate your attempt to explain. I’ve heard this from many others. But your comment, speaking of a play-pretend/roleyplayer, a copinglink and an otherkin/actual fictionkin just proofs to me that “Kinnie” has no actual base. It’s a bit like if furries with blue fluffy ursonas would group up together “omg there are so many of us who ain’t like the others, let’s call ourselves BlueFluffers. We’re our own thing”. But... why don’t they just call themselves furry? And who says I’m not fictionkin? Who says I don’t have a fictionkin friend basicly living in my house? ;) I’m well engaged in the community and would never speak solely out of one perspective or without research

Kinnies/kins very different from fictionkin. The first two definitions/types of kinnies that you described are synpath, fictionhearted, and copinglink. The spiritual definition is somewhat fictionkin. fictionkin is not a choice, one cannot become or chose to be fictionkin. It is something people are born as. Whether they like it or not, they are stuck with this identity their whole life. Yes you have been in the community for years but that doesn't mean you know everything about it. Not to be rude but I bet you didn't even know that the word 'kinnie' is used as an insult/slur towards kin communities.

@@wispyspirits2158 as someone who has been the in the community for over 5 years I can confirm that the original comment is accurate for the experiences of fiction kinnie's. Kinnie is also not a slur, thats a ridiculous claim to make.

@@samlilly2884 By definition, the word 'kinnie' is a slur, however my views have changed and I personally don't consider it to be a slur anymore. Kinnies are very misinformed and should stop using terms that have nothing to do with their community like 'kin'. When someone says they are kin with something, it means they identify as that thing. If someone is kin with a character, they are/were that character. Being kin is not deeply relating or having a strong connection with something, so please stop spreading misinformation.

@@helltubejackie1086 in short, yes! many people in the fictionkin community kin simply because they relate to charachters, and the fictionkin community at large is pretty fine with this. The fictionkin community is first and foremost a /community/, and there are bound to be people who have different experiences with the label. there are people who, say, believe in christianity at different levels for different reasons, and yet a lot of them are still able to get along because of the community that religion provides. why should kin, as a spiritual and metaphysical beleif, be any different? Lets also not forget that the vast vast majority of people kinning because a charachter is a mischevious knave and so are they, are neurodiverse or otherwise mentally ill. like i straight up dont know any kinnies who are neurotypical and sane. Maybe trying to bully big communities of mentally ill people out of using terms that theyre already using and have been using for years isnt the coolest. There is room for variance in experience in the kin community.

tiny vampires, that's how I'll call musquitos from now on ha

@@PDTherian I'm glad I could make you giggle

heya! sadly it's a misconception that fictionkin are kinnies. Fictionkinnies are usually not fictionkin, as their experience (relating to a character, wanting to be a character, pretending to be a character) doesn't at all come close to a fictionkin their experience (identifying as a character, having experiences of a character). But fictionkin often seem to get stuck in the fictionkin community as they never see anything else. Fictionkin are in the communities eyes a part of the otherkin community, tho fictionkin often do feel they're 'a thing of their own, related to otherkin', just as how therianthropy is a thing of it's own related to otherkin. This all falls under the umbrella term of 'alterhuman' however. 'I kin x' indeed isn't used as it gives the impression that you're actively and by choice doing something. Better terminology is 'I identify as x' or 'I have experiences of x', otherkin/alterhuman specific terminology is 'kintype' aka 'my kintype is x'. 'kin' is used as a suffix too however, as a short version of otherkin. 'I am wolfkin' indicates your kintype is a wolf and you're a wolf otherkin. Kin can also be used as short for 'kintype' aka: 'My kin is a wolf' tho this often isn't prefered as it's so often confused with kinning (kinnies) a fictionkin specific term is 'fictotype' which can be used in the same way as kintype. I'm here to answer any questions you may still have :D

@@PDTherian Ahh, okay! So I should say "My Fictotype is Hawkeye", or "I have experiences of being Hawkeye" instead? Gotcha - thank you very much! I'll be looking thru your channel to learn more about Therians and Otherkins. I wanna learn as much as I can so I can try to understand everything. Thanks again for the help! ^_^ Have a lovely day.

@@duckvenger3628 yep that works! :D you could also say 'I'm hawkeyekin' or 'my kintype is hawkeye' (tho fictotype is more correct in this case) I hope my channel can be of any help! :D look at descriptions, some of my videos have timelines which help u skip through the video to parts that are interesting. and enable custom captions if you're having trouble understanding me! most of my videos got them

thanks a lot!

I guess I do just believe in them, as 'valid' as any other alterhuman experience, anything is possible identity wise and everyone has their own unique experience. I do believe it's a thin line between a fictionflicker and possibly 'simply' not having found your theriotype/fictotype/kintype/.. yet or instead having a kith, copinglinker or non-alterhuman experience at all. So I Do believe the said person has to think well about this, tho fictionflickers are surely a thing. And I believe I've met two identityflickers actually so far personally of which one has been 'changing' theriotypes for the past and I do see years for example. tiger, leopard, octopus, horse, kitsune, hyena,.. she has clearly animalistic experiences so I'd label her identityflicker for example.

I have no problems with Fictionkin, and many of my friends are. 'Kinnie' just makes no sense, and feels rather egoistic to use just 'cuz it sounds nice' as the person then willingly denies and ignores every bad tone it has, any confusion it creates, any negative influence it has on the community, how it makes u look like roleplaying kids, how it is counterproductive to communication etc etc. So while I respect Fictionkin, I'll never understand (or atleast I don't think so right now) why someone voluntarily would use 'Kinnie' and not just any already existing term from themselves such as fictionkin, fictotype (or other variants), spiritual fictionkin, spiritial kin, etc etc. 'identifying as' is just as long as 'kinning as', much more clear and gives no room for misinterpretation (as 'kinning' could be 'I relate to' or 'i roleplay as' even, which is not considered actual otherkin/fictionkin/therian stuff etc) thanks for sharing your side of the story tho. Sadly it seems a 'I just like it for no true reason and don't care about the consequences' case to me. Which I personally, wouldn't support.

@@PDTherian To be a bit clearer, I think a part of it is also that I have just gotten used to the language as I hear it so often. And I guess I'd prefer to be seen as a roleplayer rather than crazy, which pretty much any otherkin or fictionkin has gotten called at least once. I do avoid using "kinnie" around people uncomfortable with it though. Also, I think part of my viewpoint comes from having already dealt with roleplayers, people who just strongly relate to characters, and those types of people who identity as kin who have gotten mad at me for my kintypes / my beliefs. So using their language helps me to feel like I blend in, I guess? And I'll admit my first comment wasn't the most well thought out, I apologize for that.

@@girlspretty9928 I guess people there can differ a lot. I prefer being called crazy, while I know I'm not.. rather than being called roleplayer which is belitteling my non-human experienes, makes me look like a non-serious child to 80% of the community and not true to who I am. (+ I can convince 90% that I'm not crazy simply by showing my partner, house, university and all normal human stuff) I can understand feeling ok with 'kinnies' because of knowing roleplayers and associating with them. I do associate with roleplayers too, roleplay myself and think it's alright and a Great way to express your theriotype or blow of some shifting stress. But I think in no way, roleplayers are otherkin. Unless they have a non-human identity or experience (like me, an otherkin who roleplays as his theriotype too)so I don't think they should be deemed the same, lumped together or the like I honestly probably wouldn't have had no issue with 'kinnies' at all, if they didn't use otherkin terminology to describe their (non-otherkin, usually) experiences. That's what makes it so confusing. There are Some kinies who legit identify as/have experiences of non-human creatures. They're legit otherkin etc. But the majority are roleplaying kids, people who only 'relate', people who only 'have simularities' or who 'kin for fun' (their words) or the like. AKA: not otherkin. BUT both 'types of kinnies' use otherkin terminology such as kintype, theriotype, otherkin, fictionkin etc. and often with absolute No knowledge (because most don't care) and creating sentences like 'I'm a kinnie. I kin for fun. I relate to this character to cope. I'm a valid fictionkin.' I see a lot of things here: pretender/roleplayer, copingkin, fictionkin. But Non are the same things. This sentence makes no sense, and is therefore counterproductive to communication. Because I have still no idea who this kiddo is. if kinnies had their complete own terminology, I'd have no issues. Because then it was clear who he is, and that he is not what I am. I hope you can sorta follow me. At the end, I appreciate your view and your opinions are just as valid and important as mine really. Other 'kin who get mad at you for your beliefs or theriotypes are just being toxic or closedminded really. Don't let them get to you. Those will always exist, sadly. Sorry you had to go through that

I mean you've been every one and thing according to the multiverse theory so you're technically right

rellybel not enough hours in a day for me 😂

@@PDTherian true

@@PDTherian sleep is for the weak!

rellybel awtch but at day it makes me feel a lil dead inside xD

Here its 2:37 in poland haha.

m4ruch4n I have never heard of this before honestly. I’ll look it up.

Appearently cs is “current shift” and ps is “permashift” and as the person I spoke to explained it: “so cs means you only kin temporarily, and ps means you kin them all the time”

@@PDTherian Alrighty! Thank you!! :)

A therian is a human who identifies as, internally feels as if they are, a non-human animal. An otherkin is that, but then for non-earthen and non-animal creatures (think about faeries, aliens, werewolves, witches, vampires, mermaids, dragons,..) Some otherkin even identify as an object like a robot or doll or a plant. Mythkin are otherkins who identify as mythical creatures, like dragons and unicorns. You also have theriomythics, those are 'inbetween'. They're a part of the therian community that identifies as a non-earthen or mythical animal. So a dragon, werewolf or unicorn. But, other than otherkin, these are instinctual, wild creatures who don't control magic, speak or think and act like a human. They're animals.

yes u can thats how most people use the term

very true! :) most kinnies are either copinglinkers or kith if you look at their experiences

No, that’s just a story you’re reading. “Kinnies” would be people who heavily relate to a character, chose to identify as them for fun or to cope and for other, often simular, reasons. Otherkin (not kinnies) personally identify as a , animal, creature (not chosen) and/or have experiences of them (which we call shifts. Mental changes, phantom limbs etc)

to me, if you identify as them: you're otherkin/therian/fictionkin (fictionkin and kinnie are two different things), not a kinnie. To me, it makes no sense that someone prefers to call themselves a kinnie when other more sense-making terminology already exists and they know it does. if 'i kin rouge the bat' makes sense to you, then 'I transgender male' or 'I homosexual dudes' would too, so I would disagree. I am kin with, my kin is, I am x-kin, makes vocubulary wise sense, the rest directly implies it's an action. And by that it gives the image to outsiders/young people/misunderstood people that it can be chosen, done as they wish etc. Which lures in these kinnie-kids with deergenders and 'I relate to 100 characters so I have 100 kintypes'. Hence probably why so many people go with 'kinnie' and 'kinning' instead of looking further than their own toes to discover 'copinglink' by example. Why would they? Kinning already sounds like they can use that term for their experiences. AKA People who use 'kinnie' are part of the problem. The problem of miseducated kids & 'wannabes' who feel they can sneak into the community by using kinnie. ofcourse, you do as you wish, but I just would greatly advice to step away from terms like 'kinnie' and 'kinning', especially now you know in what ways it directly harms the community and creates confusion, lures in misunderstood kids who want to be otherkin but aren't etc. There are terms that already exist, make sense, are clear, are correct. Such as fictionkin, identifying as, being x-kin. So while I appreciate your imput, it makes no sense to me and the majority of the community so I sadly cannot understand your reasoning for using kinnie. Have a nice day

Kikiri Studios Ancience I guess you can yes, however are you sure you aren’t then just a copinglinker or kith? Instead of kinnie. Why would you be a kinnie? :)

I personally don't believe content warnings are required in this scenario when slurs are already spoilered/blurred out (ex: tr*nnie) or when it's a video with an obvious slur topic (ex: kinnie topic), that's like making a video 'what are spiders' and then adding a content warning 'may contain spiders' hahah. But I get your point, and thank you for your feedback! I'm glad you found the video informative!

glad I could help!

Эй, это сделано с помощью Google Translate. Я не говорю по-русски. Ты не говоришь по английски? Кинни - это тот, кто решает идентифицировать себя как нечеловеческое существо по своему выбору. Часто ради забавы, чтобы справиться или просто «потому что». Часто временно, только на день, например. Кинни называют себя (обычно) терианами или другими, и чаще всего их можно найти в сообществе фантастов. Или сообщество кинни. Они часто подделывают личность, и просто дети хотят где-то принадлежать. Кинни не рекомендуется. И люди с законным опытом выбора идентифицировать себя как нечеловеческое существо (как правило, чтобы справиться) являются связующими звеньями. Есть лучшие условия, чем «Кинни». Я надеюсь, что это может объяснить хотя бы что-то :)

@@PDTherian спасибо! Огромнейшее спасибо! Ваше объяснение очень помогло! Спасибо, за ваши старания)

the important thing is that you did efforts to get educated, to self-discover, do research etc! :) You grew as a person, and you didn't get stuck in the circle of 'wanting' and 'being popular'. You're your true self.

True. I can get stuck in the circle if wanting, but idc about being popular. And yea I'm my true self. It's hard sometimes being demonkin cuz you have a reputation for being evil but despite that..

That is hard, for me, bc I'm bothered by that stereotypical view 😔

If you redirect this to kinnies solely: I mostly agree. Most kinnies likely have problems theyre trying to cope for. They are bullied or not feeling good. Kinning for fun or coping is not wrong in itself but can be very dangerous. Etc etc. Tho I aso believe a large amount of kinnies are just kids who want a group to belong to. Or a group of people genuinly relating to characters and wanting to be a dog or the like. Not necessarily because they have some trauma to work on or the like. If you mean this Also related to otherkin and therians. Plz lemme know and Ill explain u what these are as then you seem miseducated on what this is and how it works.

woops, yeh I keep making that same typo! :) thanks. (edited it!)

@@PDTherian it's OK! You're welcome

I & several other therians go into that question a bit in my interview episode: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7KPy1dgdKUU.html But in general, it’s unsure and heavily depends on the specific person. In general there is no direct connection between therianthropy and DID. But people with DID who have nonhuman alters Do often associate themselves with the term therian. Because they often experience the same things as a therian and fall within the definitions of identifying as a non-human animal.

I'm from belgium :)

K thanks and I don’t Think Akinator will ask that question

Im jealous now-

My guy this fluctuating series of rambled up facts that need to be written WILL get confused all the time. Don't be mad.

Yes, those who say “I kin this” usually mean that they relate to it, act like it, want to be it, roleplay it or the like. It is usually for fun or to cope. Better terms exist however, which is why therians and otherkin ask kinnies to stop using typical otherkin terminology for non-otherkin experiences. It’s confusing and negatively affecting otherkin communities. Instead “comfort character” can be used, kithtype can be used to describe something you’re connected with, copinglink exists to describe something you identify as/act as/.. on purpose to cope etc etc.

@@PDTherian Huh, so like a stress reliever?

@@DruidPC basically role play to another level

'kinning' is simply not a thing basicly. it is a word stolen from the otherkin community to describe non-otherkin experiences. however what you may understand under 'kinning' is 'having a connection to' or 'relating to' or 'wanting to be' or 'pretending to be'. or am I wrong? Those are simply that, relating to a character, having a favorite character, I'm sure there may actually exist terms for this out of things like the anime community. Having a kintype, being an otherkin, is about having experiences of a non-human creature and/or a non-human creature identity. If this is your case, having urges, behavioursism, mindsets, phantom limbs, this involuntary identity... you are an otherkin. :) neurotypical people seem to be more likely to be otherkin however. another thing may be that you mean Chosing to identify with or as a character/creature. If you chose, you are what we call a copinglinker. This is not an otherkin however, and the use of 'kinning' or 'kinnie' is still not correct.

Most of us did at some point, but most of us were sent home. Declared healthy. So far therianthropy seems to stem from an innocent self-identity, attached to thing like a nonhuman bodymap and nonhuman self-image. This is as harmless as being a furry, cosplayer or the like. There are theories that therianthropy might be a neurological disorder or experience, as we got a lot of people with neurodiverse experiences in an out of therianthropy. But this theory hasn’t been proven yet so far. I’d advice you to look a bit more into my channel or this topic overall. Most of us don’t “pretend to be” , it’s more nuanced than slapping on ears and a tail and going around barking at people. Most of the time you won’t even notice you’re talking with a therian , for example

therians (the animal thing) are 50% psychological (believing it is neurotypical, abnormal brainwiring, mindsets, brainmaps causing phantom limbs, sensory focus change, imprinting, complexity of human mind..) which can be totally logic explained and is by professionals specificly not considered a mental illness due there being no Actual delusional or shizophrenic components (never 'losing touch with reality') and no negative life threatening components or the like. The other 50% is spiritual related to souls, past lifes, links, .. that influences the human experience to the extenct to create non-human experiences like behaviourisms, mindsets, phantom limbs and the like. There is no actual reason to find fictionkin more delusional than therians because. A. it can be explained in the exact same way psychologically. logical, making sense, non-delusional. B. spiritually there is 'the existence of astral planes', alternate dimensions, timelines and a whole lot of other spiritual beliefs that allow for fictional characters to be 'real' , just like dragons or unicorns or the like. And, just like therians.

@@PDTherian Animals are real beings that exist. Fictional characters are not. If you believe that they are, it is hyper-fixation and escapism taken WAY too far. It is delusion because by that logic, anyone who can think and write is a God. God complex is delusional.

@@Clemingtime please reread my comment, I already described how fictional characters can spiritually exist. Besides that, weither something is or isn’t real is totally bias and unimportant. What does it matter that something is “real” if you only psychologically or spiritually have experiences of it (psychologically is our psychological concept of an animal. Aka 9/10 not, or not fully “real”. Ex. “Alpha wolf” is as unexistent and fictional as pikachu, “brave wolf” idem ditto, “black wolf” or “black wolf with blue eyes” are again unexistent and as fictive as pikachu but those are our psychological understandings of these animals in some cases) God complex and having simularities to gods are two very different things, we are talking about simularities, behaviourisms, mindsets, phantom limbs, sensory changes, spiritual connections and spiritual ideas like souls or different astral planes. Not litterally thinking one can shapeshift (mental illness clinical lycanthropy) or litterally is a god and above all else (first thing being shizophrenia, second thing being god complex) In other words, u’re clearly miseducated and Want to write of therianthropy / otherkinity / fictionkinity as insane and are trying to come up with arguments only miseducated or shortsighted people (like those who can’t see the difference between a wolf and a concept of a wolf or earthen reality vs spiritual reality) will nod their head to Then again, thats why I’m here trying to explain

Yeah none of the things this man's saying are proven and neuroscience still has a lot to learn so they won't diagnose your entire mindset. Some guy thinks of a beign, implant it on words, paper, then a tale, and you claim to be said being that was created in the mind of that person. That's... Not healthy, and giving out what I like to call "Empty motive" (Something that can't be disproved because it is structured to have nothing under the reach of science or to any investigation even) over it is overall the pillar of religion

@@muchotexto4248 phantom limbs and bodymap, imprinting, .. it is all proven and seen psychologically and neurologically. Therianthropy itself is not specificly researched in context with these yes, and only so far defined as a spiritual experience and identity concept (which it essentionally is) but its experiences can perfectly be described by several psychological and neurological concepts. the fact you say 'then claims being';.. already proofs you don't even grasp what we're talking about. No one here claims to be x character in its litteral sense (or well.. not most and that's not what therianthropy or the like is about), but say to have experiences of x character/animal/.. either spiritually or psychologically (or neurologically) and experience bodymap, phantom limbs, sensory changes, .. But no worries, research has been in progress for years. So soon I'll have a decent link explaining all of the above in scientific proven contexts ;) For now, there is no 1 paper chewing everything out for you, but there are a bunch of seperate specific papers if you're up for some research on the topic of therianthropy.

90% of the time it does, I speak from experience (talking with kinnies, knowing kinnies etc) most of the time it also stands for 'relating to' 'associatiing with' 'roleplaying as' 'wanting to be' 'pretending to be' 'having an influence on ones life' etc. so: if you are an Otherkin or Therian (not kinnie, that's clearly a thing of its own) then just say 'identify as'. why would one knowingly want to caue miscommunication and uncertainty when a better and more correct term exists? if you are a kinnie, use 'kinning' (and know what this means when you talk to others and what impression you give of of yourself)

Same imao

Hha yep, I am dutch

Helk yeah chin clan

Do what?

@@PDTherian Identify as animals

According to kinnies, kin for funs etc: yes. According to the rest of the otherkin community: no. To kin is to identify as. Just relating to something is not kinning. That’s just relating to, or (copy)linking. The otherkin community feels as if ‘kinnies’ stole the terminology and created confusion around it with new meanings and definitions. Hence why a lot of people want kinnies to create their own terminology. I actually think that ‘a synpath’ was coined to resemble a character that you relate with. See: otherkin.fandom.com/wiki/Synpath otherkindfaq.tumblr.com/otherthingsfaq And pluralpedia.org/w/Synpath I am unsure when exactly this term was coined but it goes back all the way to 16 january 2016 atleast: fictkinhelp.tumblr.com/post/137646499369/what-exactly-is-synpathfictionhearted/amp Which was well before the kinnie community established in 2020~

And there's nothing wrong with that! I am grateful for PD's informative video on the origin of the words kin/kinnie. Even if it is lacking on some of the words' other newer meanings.

what does 'kin' imply in this case? Could you explain your experience with more words?

PD its like i act like that charactor XD

@@ellsul31 Out of curiousity, do you also consider yourself therian or otherkin? or only 'Kinnie'? (seeing it's a seperate thing clearly). Do you act ouf of instinct, a deep identify, because that is who you are as this character? Or ouf of choice, fun, relateability? I'd like to learn more about your experience

Ay dude SAME

@@PDTherian I know I'm not that person but I could answer as myself to this question if you'd like

hi - a gay

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what isn't healthy? having different experiences than you..? I agree not all kinnies are healthy seen the amount who 'kin to cope' and therefore show they may be in need of psychiatrical help. And some other things I saw. Not all are unhealthy, tho, the majority are simply mis-educated. but if you speak of otherkin in general, please defend your opinion. Why would we need therapy?

Phase away from the world by seeing youself as behind a greater one, someone who will choose better, someone that will take care of everything and will take the sword of being the good person you need. Become the good person by feeling him inside yourself without actually growing into them. Find fanatism, relate to it, claim it, own it, be it. You are now one within. You are safe. Do not cry, forget your problems, you are a better person within your horrible, broken self. Yeah, I see it very healthy I guess. Whoever opposes gets an explanation on why you have misconcepted as if we're insensitive over being concerned. They will once again explain you what a Kin is and why it isn't sick while keeping the core of it being embracing a dissorder of bi-personality dissorder. They find something they like and claim to be it in order to like themselves and that's dangerous wiring over there

Oh, and... They will also tell you they're not crazy, just felt some spiritual thing and apparently that's Sans Undertale or what/whoever they once saw and said "Dude that's me"

@@muchotexto4248 the experience is much deeper, and different, from that. It's clear you haven't done any research on it but went from your subjective opinion solely. Eitherway 'crazy' is not defined by 'this is unsual and weirds me out', so you might want to rethink that word. Any therapists and the like therians and otherkin talked to, said this was a very healthy experience and not 'crazy' or 'delusional' or the like. If they Did claim we're crazy or delusional on a consistant basis and with actual arguments then I wouldn't deny that. Many therians are open for the idea of therianthropy being a softer version of clinical lycanthropy for example (a mental illenss) but so far professionals say it isn't, so lets listen to the professionals. Shall we? next to that most therians/otherkins are people with the experience of a nonhuman creature (like a dog) , mindsets, phantom limbs and other psychologically proven phenomens. from imprinting, complexity of human mind or the like for example. Some others say it's spiritual, and that these experiences exist due a soul or past life. there is also an identity aspect, where one sees themselves as said creature. Self image, midnset is part of it and the like.

you're not a psychiatrist, don't diagnose people

mxxnlight Ikr!! it’s not picking and choosing like dress up

You have to realize that neither PD (as they literally stated in their video) nor yourself fully understand the usage of the words kinnie/kinning/kin outside of the therian/otherkin communities. As a result, you and others who don't fully understand the phenomenon will assume people, like fictionkin, for example, kin as a "choice". When really they just have different methods and/or requirements for determining who or how they kin. Yes, fictionkin do use the terminology looser than otherkin and therians usually do, but that doesn't make it any less of a method or a form of expressing how they truly feel as a person.

Ves McVoid it is still a fact that if you look at “kinnies” their accounts on tumblr and instagram that 70-90% state in their bio “will kin for fun” or “I kin who I want” etc. Believe me, I have been busy the past weeks skimming through them to try to see what they were, asked a few people some questions and tested out how they’d react if I’d come say that u can’t just chose your kintype each day based on what you feel like.(most were hostile or even rude and kept implying there is nothing wrong with kinning for fun or by choice). There may be some (perhaps fictionkin amino? I didn’t look there) who do not “kin by choice”. But a Huge portion of the kinnie community does. So that’s why it’s such a huge part in the video. So while I appreciate you pointing out not every kinnie does, I wanted to make clear that still a huge (majority that I’ve seen even) will “kin for fun or by choice”. Tho this is why I stated it becomes really confusing: you put kinnies and fictionkin as the same thing. When I think of fictionkin, they’re not kinnies. They’re two completely different things. Fictionkin don’t kin by choice by example. Kinnies do. But Kinnies are mostly found back in the fictionkin community. And calling themselves fictionkin which is confusing. That’s how I see it. So I wanted to make sure everyone knows that I don’t try to say fictionkin identify by choice. When I say kinnies, I Only mean kinnies :)

@@PDTherian So I must be diagnosed with severe Sans Undertale before actually kinning him? Bruh my test for Donkey Kong came on negative 😔