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WHAT IS PISTON TO VALVE CLEARANCE? THE ULTIMATE GUIDE TO SEEING AND UNDERSTANDING PISTON TO VALVE! 

Richard Holdener
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WHAT IS PISTON TO VALVE CLEARANCE? HOW BIG OF A CAM CAN I RUN? HOW MUCH LIFT CAN I RUN? WHAT IS THE DANGER ZONE FOR PISTONS AND VALVES? WHEN DOES THE INTAKE VALVE HIT? WHEN DOES THE EXHAUST VALVE HIT? WHY CAN'T I RUN A BIGGER CAM? DOES THE PISTON CHASE THE VALVE? DOES THE VALVE CHASE THE PISTON? DID RICHARD REALLY CUT UP AND ALUMINUM 5.3L BLOCK? CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO WHERE I SACRAFICED AND SECTIONED AN ALUMINUM 5.3L LS BLOCK AND 706 CYLINDER HEAD SO I COULD BETTER ILLUSTRATE WHAT PISTON TO VALVE CLEARANCE IS. I ALSO DEMONSTRATED THE CRITICAL DANGER ZONES FOR THE INTAKE AND EXHAUST VALVES AND SHOWED WHY LIFT ISN'T IMPORTANT.

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@thegalli
@thegalli 11 месяцев назад
We like it when the P is close to the V
@I_like_turtles_67
@I_like_turtles_67 11 месяцев назад
Well, this P to V is cheaper than eighteen years of child support.
@rickybobby0314
@rickybobby0314 11 месяцев назад
😂
@erickbernard8208
@erickbernard8208 11 месяцев назад
I love when my P is destroying the V😂
@whataboutbob7967
@whataboutbob7967 11 месяцев назад
Suck squeeze bang blow!
@milojanis4901
@milojanis4901 11 месяцев назад
Good info, Richard. I've always heard that a tighter LSA will reduce P to V clearance. Say, a 110° LSA will have less clearance than a 114° LSA. After watching your video, I can see that would be correct.
@martyshumard6254
@martyshumard6254 11 месяцев назад
Now you need to show us how cam duration and lobe separation effect P to V clearance.
@GroovesAndLands
@GroovesAndLands 11 месяцев назад
Fantastic video and idea, Richard. Next up you should demonstrate techniques for actually testing PtV clearance. Perhaps do the "clay" technique and rolling the engine all the way over, and then also the dial indicator approach only in the danger zone. Then you can discuss the pros/cons to each approach.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 11 месяцев назад
I want to show where the valve hits on the piston and why LS dish pistons might not improve p-v
@richardprice5978
@richardprice5978 11 месяцев назад
@@richardholdener1727 would really be helpful to show how to test VVT and or lobe separation angles/LSA with a bigger/aftermarket parts and how limiting the phaser, change's-different's and for others the importance of it plus showing valve floating and deflection's-all-parts and why's it's okay and in some cases it's extremely a bad idea/thing to have. having a pushrod that's collapsible/expandable aka something like a hydraulic cylinder ( and or figuring a way of pressurising the lifter's in the cut-away, basically how my engine now works with a jerk-pumps and pipes/liquid-rods and slave-cylinder's and software/ECU instead of fixed steel-rod's+rocker's ) and a hand/porta-power ram-pump can showcase differences 😉 👍 , also a different but related idea is having a extra sloppy/stretchy piston or piston-pin can show were/high-mileage's/lacklustre-maintenance and also higher loading/RPM and how it can change P/V clearances and timing ect something i kinda/think 🤔i know how just not 100% testing processes/setup/efi-ect-tunes yet on my modified 1960's-540~ci hemi 4.3X4.5" stroke as i add a 60*lsx twin phasers ( yes i need the limiting blocks/software-lock's but not fully sure on maximum setting's yet 💯 ) to change VVT&LSA timing's ect plus VVL/multi-air system and variable valve-spring-rate like a f1/race-engine car ect
@andrewcammer2535
@andrewcammer2535 11 месяцев назад
Very cool cutaway. This is one of those things that's so hard to explain to people, and a great visual goes a longs ways. It would be neat to talk a bit about acceptable piston to valve clearance in different configurations, what impact cylinder head milling and gasket thickness changes have, and maybe demonstrate how some flycuts or aftermarket piston with reliefs can add meaningful clearance. It would also be interesting to explain some common failures that result in unwanted PTV contact (valve float, lifter pump-up, broken spring, loss of cam to crank sync via some loose cam bolts, etc) and what can be done to mitigate those scenarios. Great visualization, should be a lot of ways to use this to demonstrate all kinds of things.
@carltaylor4503
@carltaylor4503 11 месяцев назад
Love this video! I would be very curious to see how increasing the rocker arm ratio effects clearance.
@mikedimaio1237
@mikedimaio1237 11 месяцев назад
Use the cut off pieces to cast a clear acrylic part, slap that on the engine and run smoke through the chamber to see how the air flows. Love the cutaway engines, Chrysler had them as a motorized display.
@richwhaley6558
@richwhaley6558 11 месяцев назад
Great demonstration Richard! Instead of trying to visualize it in my head I can actually see what is really happening. And yes I'd love to see the changes when advancing and retarding the cam when it comes to piston to valve clearance! Keep up the great work Richard!❤
@scrappy7571
@scrappy7571 11 месяцев назад
When I was a punk kid in the 70's, the local lawn mower shop had a cut-a-way briggs flat head engine on the parts counter. I would stare at it in amazement! I learned so much fixing minibikes and lawn mowers, the basics still apply to modern cars.
@royosborn7869
@royosborn7869 11 месяцев назад
Great demo, Richard - looking forward to your next educational session on piston to valve clearance - lots of good suggestions posted.
@bluecollarhotrods9781
@bluecollarhotrods9781 11 месяцев назад
Great visual, I've seen animation and drawings - but this was way better. I asked a question on the live feed a few nights ago. You said LSA affects this. I'd love to see a bunch of 230 & 230+ intake duration cams at various LSAs and how tight they are, or if they even work at all. And maybe a method of getting in the ballpark of what will fit when selecting a camshaft.
@marksearcy9708
@marksearcy9708 11 месяцев назад
Great visual aid, Use high compression domed piston with different over lap and valve float would be a good one. Awesome dude!😁
@firebry23
@firebry23 11 месяцев назад
Yes to all of the questions at the end.
@BigMikesGarage
@BigMikesGarage 11 месяцев назад
Nice display and explanation. Just FYI: Dipping your carbide burr in ATF occasionally will make the cutting go quicker and keep the aluminum from sticking to the burr.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 11 месяцев назад
I did that
@carportshenanigans5918
@carportshenanigans5918 2 месяца назад
Great demonstration! That engine is gonna have some serious blow-by issues though. 🤣. Seriously though, thanks for hacking up some parts to make this video!
@ryancoakley2796
@ryancoakley2796 2 месяца назад
I love it when valves chase the pistons and the pistons chase the valves gets me excited😅😮😂😅😅😅!!!!!!
@ummduhgmail
@ummduhgmail 10 месяцев назад
Shows quench and other stuff well also. It was neat to see, i knew the idea, but cool to actually see.
@cam3002
@cam3002 11 месяцев назад
Fantastic, if I could subscribe again, I would! Suggest future tests to include 1) how does changes in LSA affect PV? 2) how does rod length affect PV? Thanks for sharing your insights with the community.
@michaellombard894
@michaellombard894 9 месяцев назад
Great graphic Richard. Thanks for the visual demo.
@sarsavage
@sarsavage 11 месяцев назад
You did a awesome job explaining pistons to valves clearance, i really appreciate all your videos
@scotthultin7769
@scotthultin7769 11 месяцев назад
16👍's up thank you for sharing 😊
@KillerRage360
@KillerRage360 11 месяцев назад
Possibly demonstrate the maximum possible duration for a 4.8/5.3 or 6.0L Flat top pistons, Dished pistons. Would be awesome to see. I've learned alot from your channel 🏁
@blownfox
@blownfox 11 месяцев назад
That was a alsome video very cool to be able to see inside the combustion chamber.That deffenly explains a lot so many be you can show what advancing really does come into play
@kidsteach938
@kidsteach938 11 месяцев назад
This is amazing, Richard! Thanks so much for showing us this. What a great concept to open up the engine and let us see the whole process.
@3800TURBO
@3800TURBO 11 месяцев назад
Maybe find a cam with super fast ramp rate and big overlap. Something that needs valve relief in the pistons. Be cool to see then when it actually hits and where that corresponds on a degree wheel and dial indicator setup on ya demo.. Cool demo. 👍
@coboscustoms4342
@coboscustoms4342 11 месяцев назад
Very very well explained!!!
@aukseharris4630
@aukseharris4630 11 месяцев назад
That would make a really great teaching tool. I have a block, I just need a busted head.
@takeit2-11
@takeit2-11 11 месяцев назад
I always learn new things when I watch your vids, thank you! I would like to see turbo magnum! turbo magnum! turbo magnum!
@Gearbhall
@Gearbhall 11 месяцев назад
This sectioned display motor is really cool
@TheRaulr151
@TheRaulr151 7 месяцев назад
Perfect video for explaining the need to P2V clearance!
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 7 месяцев назад
Glad it was helpful!
@jplperformance9073
@jplperformance9073 11 месяцев назад
Amazing video, thanks
@reachadcreadordasilva3471
@reachadcreadordasilva3471 4 месяца назад
Funny you asked how it looks in the cylinder when you advance and restart the cam. I was actually searching it so the I can learn to make 1.7 work safely on my sbf with n41 cam
@negobaj
@negobaj 11 месяцев назад
Fun Demo! Excellent!
@austincjett
@austincjett 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for the video.
@neilhansen9886
@neilhansen9886 11 месяцев назад
Very well done👍
@user-lb6ts8xm5r
@user-lb6ts8xm5r 11 месяцев назад
thank you for this valuable l information
@harryguy76
@harryguy76 11 месяцев назад
Great tool to explain different cam specs and what they actually mean...
@bfromthed
@bfromthed 11 месяцев назад
Great walk through for people that may not understand.
@ozysniper
@ozysniper 11 месяцев назад
Holy crap! You go all the way.... GREAT WORK! You are the man.👌
@VictorSanchez-kp9nt
@VictorSanchez-kp9nt 11 месяцев назад
Super cool to see it like this. Great video and I'll share this one with friends.
@rimka11
@rimka11 11 месяцев назад
Yes that would be nice to see, at what degree of retartd and exhaust valve will contact a piston, and on what advance an intake.
@GrandPitoVic
@GrandPitoVic 11 месяцев назад
Brother, that was awsome
@carllattimore8227
@carllattimore8227 11 месяцев назад
This is how to teach! Great video!
@Lobo-tommy10
@Lobo-tommy10 11 месяцев назад
Super interesting!
@joshstovall5783
@joshstovall5783 11 месяцев назад
Absolutely the most lift the rocker geometry will allow like 1” lift and play with LSA and timing events to make it work without piston modifications. Basically the most ridiculous cam ever that will probably not idle and definitely not make power. But it would be a nail in the coffin about the “how much lift can I run” question!
@vanhap
@vanhap 7 месяцев назад
Adjustable cam sprocket measured at 1 deg intervals whilst measuring PtoV clearance accordingly
@chevyguy9827
@chevyguy9827 6 месяцев назад
Great demonstration I’d like to see how a dome piston reacts with a big duration cam
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 6 месяцев назад
dome pistons usually have valve reliefs, so p-v is increased
@corydunlap777
@corydunlap777 11 месяцев назад
Wow, I need to check ptv on this next motor and now I’m going to cut up a torched head and make a couple of these too! Great idea
@LilRay.18
@LilRay.18 11 месяцев назад
Now that you mentioned it, It would be pretty cool too see what it looks like to advance a cam! Maybe a video about that wouldn’t be a bad idea 👀
@davidanderson6706
@davidanderson6706 11 месяцев назад
This is some good stuff
@BowTieSS70
@BowTieSS70 11 месяцев назад
Great video! I'd like to understand the limits of the clearance and not specifically a number but methodology to the number. Why is it anything greater than zero clearance? What factors contribute to it being greater than zero? Does RPM play a factor? Can valve float cause an issue?
@markbowen6493
@markbowen6493 11 месяцев назад
Excellent video. Can you discuss float, which I presume only matters on the exhaust valve.
@lancr735
@lancr735 11 месяцев назад
GREAT VIDEO!! Install a cam designed for supercharger use with 0 to negative overlap verses a NA cam with lots of overlap which gives that old school lopy muscle car sound. And explain why no to negative over lap (explain negative over lap too) is best in a blower application verses a NA cam with lots of over lap. And how wide overlap can get dangerous with piston to valve clearance. And add to this how a improperly timed cam can cause piston to valve strikes. And why degreeing a cam is very important bro know it’s timed correctly before starting up.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 11 месяцев назад
the cam that makes more na power will make more boosted power-stop with all this overlap talk
@randywilliams4325
@randywilliams4325 11 месяцев назад
Great video . A suggestion - putting in a cam that won’t work and the valves hit - too much duration .
@aslacker
@aslacker 11 месяцев назад
Love it, lets test !
@jackwillson8099
@jackwillson8099 9 месяцев назад
Piston chases the exhaust valve so always use .110 min on exhaust side, youll be safe intake 0.080 min with 0.031 radius in piston pockets ! Save for lots of street strip motors
@scotttimpany2845
@scotttimpany2845 11 месяцев назад
Richard! You'll go thru a boatload of engines trying to measure piston to valve clearance that way! Let's talk before you cut up anything else.
@russelljackson7034
@russelljackson7034 11 месяцев назад
Right on
@whataboutbob7967
@whataboutbob7967 11 месяцев назад
This also illustrates valve-cylinder wall shrouding.
@gearheadsteven
@gearheadsteven 11 месяцев назад
thanks that was great! what changes does a higher lift rocker make at TDC? 1.7, 1.8.
@Fatt-billy.racing
@Fatt-billy.racing 11 месяцев назад
In my gen Iv 6.0 im running a mast motorsports 625in -648ex 248in 260ex @.50 and had to cut the pistons .040 on intake to get .080 with .051 gasket
@keithsmith9889
@keithsmith9889 11 месяцев назад
See I appreciate that you want to explain and demonstrate it. But on the other hand I want to cry cause that poor head... 😢
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 11 месяцев назад
the head was a piece of junk to start with
@danlindeke2561
@danlindeke2561 11 месяцев назад
On of cam company had "soft springs" you could compress by hand as you rotated engine.
@shane-222
@shane-222 11 месяцев назад
Great job! That cam is a good duration and fairly typical LCA. Maybe you could go through an example where you measure the clearance with a dial indicator and then advance and retard the cam to show how PV changed.
@bobqzzi
@bobqzzi 11 месяцев назад
It would be good to share your experiences with how much is enough PV with various lifter types and RPM ranges
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 11 месяцев назад
.035
@chriswise1232
@chriswise1232 11 месяцев назад
Seeing that band saw makes me want to throw mine away. Damn son.
@GETLITUP69
@GETLITUP69 11 месяцев назад
Should test 3 cams with high duration..226, 230, 235 cam...on intake.
@WildEngineering
@WildEngineering 11 месяцев назад
Can you please compare PTV on different LSAs on otherwise similar cams.
@benkrom2737
@benkrom2737 11 месяцев назад
With hydraulic lifters That title is theoretical 🧐
@keything8487
@keything8487 11 месяцев назад
different type pistons test be cool
@laiky71
@laiky71 11 месяцев назад
LSA and overlap, intake centerline etc
@larryhornsbyjr6731
@larryhornsbyjr6731 11 месяцев назад
I’d love to see this test on a MS3
@slightly.above.average
@slightly.above.average 11 месяцев назад
I would like to see PTV based upon head milling. So if you over mill the head you can then simulate different head millings with gasket thicknesses. Bias cause I had my head milled .020 and would like to see the change to PTV it caused.
@JackstandKing
@JackstandKing 11 месяцев назад
Same I milled my heads to 58cc and have a 232/242 .600 / .600 113+3 cam. Clay method showed plenty of clearance but would be cool to see in action.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 11 месяцев назад
I can remove the gasket
@rogerstill719
@rogerstill719 11 месяцев назад
Hello I would like to see a narrow LSA, a 107° . A narrow LSA will raise cylinder pressure which will change dynamic compression
@Kstang09
@Kstang09 11 месяцев назад
Now the question is, will my 241 heads milled 40-thou work with a BTR stage 3 na Ls1 cam without cutting valve reliefs 🤔 haha. Thanks as always, Richard!
@michaellecount8510
@michaellecount8510 11 месяцев назад
Great video! I bet that head you cut was a 317 lol
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 11 месяцев назад
706
@bilibonka
@bilibonka 11 месяцев назад
Would be nice to see diffrent LSA with similar duration.
@liltyler209
@liltyler209 11 месяцев назад
I'd like to see the Brian tooley racing f35 cam p2v clearance tested
@jeremiaswitt1374
@jeremiaswitt1374 11 месяцев назад
Hey Richard what about engine quench test’s, also check truck Norris cam because of the bigger overlap it has
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 11 месяцев назад
BIGGER OVERLAP?
@TomSmith-cv8hk
@TomSmith-cv8hk 11 месяцев назад
You can put a zero overlap cam in and show how much real overlap there actually is. The Red Hot would have only had 6 odd degrees of overlap at 50 thou tappet lift but there was plenty of valve opening for both valves at TDC.
@randallmason9687
@randallmason9687 11 месяцев назад
This is a great video! How much more clearance can You get with the piston notchers that look like a valve? On a junkyard 5.3.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 11 месяцев назад
a lot
@howididitgarage.
@howididitgarage. 11 месяцев назад
Stock cam vs big cam. What is the difference and why it make more power.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 11 месяцев назад
lots of cam tests up-but can show p-v difference
@doolallyproductions7234
@doolallyproductions7234 11 месяцев назад
My school had a pink cadillac motor cut out like that
@hallibraj
@hallibraj 11 месяцев назад
Cool video! Id like to see how to check p2v on a motor with a VVT limiter.
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 11 месяцев назад
test ptv at the extremes of the VVT (full advance and full retard), many ECU systems don't use all that is available
@kennethkieffaber7360
@kennethkieffaber7360 11 месяцев назад
A good video on how to know what cam will fit without pulling the heads. Is there an equation or something to use with your current p2v clearance to find out if another cam will fit before installing it?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 11 месяцев назад
if you already know existing cam (and specs and how it was installed) -then you can calculate
@Tommy-B.
@Tommy-B. 11 месяцев назад
If everyone was asking how much lift they can run, but lift isn’t a factor, why not get into how much duration can be run?
@scotthultin7769
@scotthultin7769 11 месяцев назад
What's the minimum valve piston clearance you can run I ran it as tight.037 find the intake and I wasn't even concerned with the exhaust was doing
@hardman556
@hardman556 4 месяца назад
Awesome video, now how do I measure this on my engine with my setup? Clay? With or without head gasket?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 4 месяца назад
clay with gasket works
@pbettselectric134
@pbettselectric134 11 месяцев назад
850 dp Holley Summit dual plane air gap intake. Hydro-Roller
@GregoryBirulkin
@GregoryBirulkin 11 месяцев назад
We also need to know about pizza to mouth clearance.😅
@bicylindrico
@bicylindrico 11 месяцев назад
It would be great to know how much deviation there is in a static clearance measurement compared to an actual dynamic amount when factoring in deflection of parts under load with a full valvetrain. I would guess this must equate to quite a bit but no clue how this could be measured
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 11 месяцев назад
might be measured on a spintron
@giantpune
@giantpune 11 месяцев назад
Put the display motor on the dyno and see how much HP it makes!
@dresdensvo
@dresdensvo 11 месяцев назад
I would like to see valve to wall clearance . include cathedral port and rec port . how bad is it ?
@pmd7771969
@pmd7771969 11 месяцев назад
Any good engine builder always plays it safe and brings the piston to TDC and opens the valve to max lift then goes from there.
@watsisbuttndo829
@watsisbuttndo829 11 месяцев назад
Closed captions was dissing Rich pretty hard, refers to him as "amateur holder".
@T-bird_Johnny
@T-bird_Johnny 11 месяцев назад
Really cool 😎 to see piston to valve visually with the super-Richie-cut-away-block 😂😂lol My only knock is that it wasn't a SBF with your favorite xe274hr camshaft, I would love to see that test since all the keyboard warriors on the forums claim it won't clear. I know it gets tight with bigger valves, but I would love to learn: how big a valve is too big? What does a guy look for in a set of heads if he wants to run the xe274hr on a stock bottom end?
@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 11 месяцев назад
ford is coming
@GregoryBirulkin
@GregoryBirulkin 11 месяцев назад
The difference in LSA angle.
@brandonsmith7265
@brandonsmith7265 11 месяцев назад
I wanna see what the biggest cam I can use on a 5.3 with 4.8 pistons and 706 heads
@DudeManRife
@DudeManRife 11 месяцев назад
I’m curious in understanding how lsa/icl affects how you install a camshaft. Greater lsa = more pv clearance, but usually pushes peak hp/torque higher in the rev range. Should (or can) you advance that camshaft to lower peak hp/torque, or should you retard the camshaft to take advantage of the high range of the camshaft? Or is it specific to the rest of the build? How about all of this with a tighter lsa/icl? Do you need to take into account a certain amount of wrist pin slop at the top of the stroke when installing the cam? How do you know when the pv is too tight?
@johndillon28
@johndillon28 11 месяцев назад
I am building a NA 5.3 for a very light car. Sub 2k pounds. After reading and watching alot of your videos I plan to run flat top pistons, 317 heads milled .030, and a an ls9 cam wit lh 7k redline. I am not chasing max power. I am wanting to change the character of the engine from low end grunty truck engine to rev happy sports car. Also running a 4 speed manual transmission. Being the car is so light and I am only able to fit a max for 185 section tire its an advantage for me to have more power higher in the rpms than down low where I have little traction to work with. What do you think of this combo? Go or no go? PTV is a concern which is why I ask on this video. Not a cobra btw.
@richardedwards8648
@richardedwards8648 11 месяцев назад
What is considered "safe" piston ti valve clearance?
@giantpune
@giantpune 11 месяцев назад
In machining, clearance is clearance. As long as your parts dont hit each other while everything cold or when everything's warm, thats it. A gap is a gap.
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