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What Is Prog? 

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Noted avant-garde guitarist Dennis Rea attempts to define one of the most elusive musical genres, progressive rock. Created to help promote Seaprog 2014, the Seattle progressive rock festival (see Seaprog.org for details). Music by Moraine.

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@MrEmafon4
@MrEmafon4 7 лет назад
I spend half of the video without realizing the background was a shitty green screen lmao
@Moses_Kanneh
@Moses_Kanneh 5 лет назад
haha
@HypaspistOrange
@HypaspistOrange 3 года назад
i saw this comment almost exactly halfway through the video...
@khantminthu4025
@khantminthu4025 3 года назад
It means it is a good green screen nonetheless
@DMStarFlash
@DMStarFlash 3 года назад
would have watched the entire video without realizing it, if it weren't for your comment
@adirondackjoe
@adirondackjoe 8 месяцев назад
When it comes to progressive rock music, I still fall back on the old axiom “I know it when I hear it”. ☮️
@tomrochester7381
@tomrochester7381 8 лет назад
Prog is what Psyche musicians did when the acid ran out.
@mikereiss4216
@mikereiss4216 8 лет назад
+Tom Rochester Ha ha. Yeah, they had to actually learn to know what they were doing.
@phearlesspharaoh3697
@phearlesspharaoh3697 3 года назад
🤣😂👍🏻
@cameronfrench285
@cameronfrench285 7 лет назад
I like this description of progressive rock very much. Very good explanation
@CaseyVan
@CaseyVan 9 лет назад
He explains it better after about 2:40. Basically Rock music is a fusion of other music any way, so progressive rock is just a continuation of the addition of new ideas. One of the main characteristics of prog are things like subject matter, instrumentation, song structure, complex beats, emphasis on the instrumental side, and the psychedelic (philosophical/spiritual) aspects of it. What's more interesting is how prog as we know it came about. Much of that has to do with the British rock groups being more of a sponge of American music types Rock/Jazz/Folk/Country,Blues while still having more of a background in classical music than the typical American rock musician. American music tends to be more homogeneous (is that the right word?) meaning the players sometimes play the music of their region. The early British blues scene tried to be more authentic and locked into a certain style, but that changed, and part of that was because The Beatles had George Martin as producer, and they also liked other forms of music, and had played a wide variety of music. On the other side of the pond, you had innovative producers like Phil Spector, and Brian Wilson who expanded the vocabulary of pop music to include a variety of instruments, and styles form old time rag, to psychedelic. Once this took hold around '65-'66 things changed rapidly with the Byrds, Bob Dylan going electric, and in England mellotrons, sitars, and various instruments were used to add different elements to the music. What finally nailed it in my opinion was when King Crimson came to the scene, because it was so powerful. One significant change that happened with King Crimson, the Moody Blues, and the Nice was bringing the symphonic sound to a live performance with the help of Mellotron, in the case of The Nice, just having classical chops, and fusing rock with classical, and jazz, rather than studio trickery that was popular in psychedelic groups. It moved from studio dynamics to live dynamics.
@piotrb8434
@piotrb8434 4 года назад
Rock music is not a "fusion" of anything. Subject matter is not a characteristic of prog because subject matter can vary. Instrumentation is also not a characteristic of prog because it can vary wildly. It can be just drums and electric guitars like in your standard rock music, or it can include orchestra or ethnic folk instruments. Song structure is also not a characteristic of prog because there are no song structures that would be typical for prog rock. There are many different styles of composition within progressive rock.
@BillMoorehouse
@BillMoorehouse 4 года назад
Casey great points!
@drindroldog
@drindroldog 3 года назад
How could you forget Genesis, Pink Floyd, Yes, Emerson and Marillion? For me, prog has always been a music of atmospheres, mind-set images and following the lead wherever it takes you. Thank God certain groups like Rush, IQ and Pendragon, who by the way all do a brilliant job, still keep the light burning!
@donnajocatlady3839
@donnajocatlady3839 4 года назад
Been a Prog Rock fan forever, I just didn't know it until recently. Saw Nektar last night!!! Best concert of my life, and I'm 50!
@larkstonguesinaspic4814
@larkstonguesinaspic4814 6 лет назад
What is Prog ? Baby don't play me, Don't play, In 4/4
@jamiewesson898
@jamiewesson898 5 лет назад
so jazz is prog western swing is prog waltz is prog
@GaryALucas
@GaryALucas 7 лет назад
Jack Bruce hinted that Cream broke up because he wanted to more or less explore with his writing and Eric Clapton wanted to stay more roots oriented. I think Ginger Baker sided with Bruce, considering Air Force. Bruce went on to work with Carla Bley, Tony Williams, Allan Holdsworth, Kip Hanrahan, all very progressive musicians. I always think of that when the subject of progressive rock comes up.
@-Mark_F
@-Mark_F 4 месяца назад
Nice vid. Someone commented that a song I did was "almost progressive sounding" and I had learn more about it. Back in the 70's I viewed prog rock and being more advanced and definitely not predictable but still being rock and cool and tasteful music. Thank you for posting!
@utkarshkulshrestha6783
@utkarshkulshrestha6783 3 года назад
I would love to watch more of your videos
@mikereiss4216
@mikereiss4216 8 лет назад
I disagree with the notion that prog musicians have to all be virtuosos. True they have to be very good musicians for the most part but it depends on what the music is trying to accomplish. Pink Floyd were not the best on their instruments(with the possible exception of Gilmour)but I think you can say they were progressive. The Moody Blues are another example. Nothing overly technical or complicated but for their time they were pushing boundaries. There are other examples of maybe more acoustic or mellow bands who weren't necessarily virtuosos.
@BlunderCity
@BlunderCity 5 лет назад
_"I disagree with the notion that prog musicians have to all be virtuosos"_ I don't think anybody said that progressive musicians were necessarily virtuosos, just that virtuosity is one of many ways to make popular music progressive because it is not traditionally associated with pop and rock. 99.9% of rockers are not accomplished musicians, even the most famous rock bands are partly or entirely made of musicians who can't read music in the traditional sense of the term. Being a great musician is not a requirement for being a good rocker, I'd take Mick Jagger doing the rock thing over any music professor out there. Saying that rock is an attitude is a platitude because it is so true. Accomplish musicians on the other hand, can and have brought something new to rock music, more than attitude, and that is what makes their music progressive. They added elements not traditionally associated with rock music and you often need a high degree of musicianship to be able to do that. Regarding Pink Floyd, Richard Wright was the only competent musician in the original Floyd line-up, you have to be to be admitted to a music school. Neither Waters, Barrett or Mason were real musicians. He wasn't into rock music preferring jazz and classical. The unusual sound of the Pink Floyd is in part due to the contribution of a non rocker within their ranks and that is, again in part, what earns Floyd the label of progressive.
@oscarjmontanez2109
@oscarjmontanez2109 5 лет назад
If you think clearer, Pink Floyd is the only "prog" band that doesnt have virtuosos, Gilmour may be the best musician Floyd had but he was the opposite playing to a virtuoso, which is generally accepted as a musician that is able to play really hard and complex music (clear speed, odd times, exotic modes and chord progressions, polymetrics etc...) and make it look easy. Just look Allan Holdsworth or Gentle Giant for example... PF did very simple music look harder (with effects and quality production). This comes because all prog bands have basis on jazz and classical (most notable on Canterbury Scene) while non prog rock bands have blues basis, Pink Floyd had blues basis, not jazz as Rick Wright used to say. For me Prog definition to Floyd was just an industry label, even you find virtuosos on non prog bands like Jon Lord or Eddie Van Halen. Pink Floyd has indeed some proggy elements, but the genre itself? God No.
@hanckk2546
@hanckk2546 5 лет назад
@@oscarjmontanez2109 PF is definitely Proggresive, Their concept albums are among the best out there if not the best and they also had amazing lyrics, musically in the early days they where very abstract and creative, have you heard Ummagumma? that album is full of amazing experimental Suites and songs, I can't deny that they where not Musical Virtuosos but they where not bad at all, specially Wright and Gilmour, just listen to Sysyphus Pt.2 and you'll see, it becomes darker and messy but it's amazing nonetheless. Atom Heart Mother is another example, it's an amazing orchestrated instrumental Suite with Brass sections. All of this early albums where pioneers of the Prog Movement and where highly experimental. They where not the best by any means but they definitely raised the bar higher in some way or another and that's what Prog is about In my opinion.
@oscarjmontanez2109
@oscarjmontanez2109 5 лет назад
@@hanckk2546 I was a music lover fanboy of Floyd in the past I know all their albums loving more WYWW and Animals era, In that moment I didnt care about prog or not, however As I got King Crismson by mistake, studying music Theory and pitching my ears at conservatory (Im a Academic Drummer) and went into jazz, I found Floyd music very plain and predictable compared to any other classic prog rock bands, even some non prog bands like Led Zep or Queen I still found interesting things. I know Floyd have some prog elements like conceptual themes, "atmosphere" and very sophisticated production starting from DSOTM, but among those sound effects, simply cannot conceive them as real prog rock as I already said plus Nick Mason's drumming very boring for me. In my opinion they were progressive in their music, (reaching a climax on Animals), but not progressive as the genre itself. They musically speaking (no sound effects) were not so experimental like for Example Beatles circa 66 when they start adding modal scales from India, jazzy chords and more sophisticated harmony than Floyd (specifically Gilmour) did ever, (Guess their only phrygian song was set the controls... and still basic). Actually Floyd music can be played by amateurs or by musicians with basics on musical formation. but for example King Crimson music or Soft Mahcine music (Or any other classic prog band else) is hard to play even for professional musicians.
@oscarjmontanez2109
@oscarjmontanez2109 5 лет назад
@@hanckk2546 Take a listen to A Sprinkling of Clouds by Gong, they were experimenting in 74' with heavy sound effects and jaming for 10 minutes like monsters through a 5+5+5+9/8 time signature, space style like floyd but jazzy harmony and virtuosic elements, that for me would sound Floyd if they were real prog (or like Eloy 76-79 era).
@jasonmassplayingmusic5533
@jasonmassplayingmusic5533 Месяц назад
A solid breakdown…Appreciate your open ended take to what qualifies as Prog…
@lazyworm9451
@lazyworm9451 7 лет назад
What's crazy is the 5 subs and 3k views
@BlunderCity
@BlunderCity 5 лет назад
Haha yes. The views probably come from the video being watched mostly off of RU-vid.
@TheBlackQueen
@TheBlackQueen 3 года назад
I like to consider Prog to be synonymous with Post-Psychedelic. Though technically the term Progressive in music existed back in the 1940s with Progressive Jazz, the general idea was to push past what was considered Normal at the time, not entirely just to push music further because, as a whole, Progressive Rock didn't actually do a bunch in terms of pushing the boundaries of music forward, aside from The Beatles and Pink Floyd. What it really did was push the boundaries for OTHER Prog bands down the line. Rush is unanimously considered Prog, but they never really contributed anything to music apart from displaying their own talents. Their style harkens back to the progress of bands like Led Zeppelin, Genesis, and Emerson, Lake & Palmer. Sure they added a bit of Nerdy Sci-Fi to their sound and that did impact a lot of the 1980s video game-influenced Heavy Metal. But that's not why we deem them Prog. We deem them Prog because of their odd time signatures, grand epics, complex instrumentation, and fantasy-inspired lyrics. All of which already existed in those same bands I listed above. Regardless we consider Rush to be one of the Top 3 Prog Bands in music. Contrast this with artists that do push the boundaries of music forward and successfully influence other artists going forward. For example, Michael Jackson. Along with Quincy Jones in 1979, Jackson embarked on a quest to form a new sound of Pop music to replace Disco which had just died a fiery death at Comiskey Park in July of that year. They released Off The Wall which was intended to be a prototype for a new sound that included Funk, Disco, Soul, R&B, and Pop. However, it wasn't enough to change music going forward. That is until Jackson befriended the Rock band Queen in 1980 and convinced them to release their song Another One Bites The Dust as a single which they were incredibly skeptical of doing. But they did, and it became their highest charting single in the US. After this, Jackson discovered what he was missing; Rock! His next album would be a combination of the genres found in Off The Wall with a hint of more aggressive rhythms and guitars found typically in Rock music. That album was Thriller, and it became the best selling album of all time! After this, many Pop and R&B artists began to use this same formula and continued to make big hits, new genres and styles, and influence more and more artists along the way. By definition, Michael Jackson progressed music forward and no one can deny that. But we don't consider him Progressive Pop, do we? So why do we consider bands like Rush who haven't necessarily done much in pushing music forward "Progressive", but not artists like Michael Jackson who have indeed pushed music forward? The answer is simple: Progressive music is not defined by the word "Progressive", but rather defined for being atypical and intentionally avoiding simplicity. More importantly, Progressive music is characterised by its experimentation of multiple genres with respect to the structures of Classical compositions. In short, it combines music of the past with music of the future in attempts to differ from popular trends. Michael Jackson, while harnessing music of the past, was too close to that music in the timeline, whereas Rush all existed centuries after artists like Mozart, Chopin and Bach. They took elements of what made Classical music so great and simply put it through guitars, bass, drums, and keyboards to achieve the same effect but obviously with intent to sound completely new. This explains why so many Progressive Rock bands often sound very symphonic in sound and are often seen playing Classical songs or Classical-like songs on their albums. Another genre that is often in the same place as Classical is Jazz. Especially with bands like King Crimson and Pink Floyd, Jazz has frequently been used in Progressive Rock, often giving it a softer and more introspective approach, which explains the two general styles of Prog being either large, complex, and 20-minute epics or softer, lyrical, and subtle experiences. One is Classically-influenced and the other is Jazz influenced. These types can also exist simultaneously and is often the case with later Progressive bands like Dream Theater, Primus, and Tool, though such newer bands picked up a little 70s genre known as Funk, again, of which existed about 20-30 years prior to them. In conclusion, the best definition I can muster up is as follows: Progressive music is a subgenre type of multiple genres, mainly Rock, Pop, Metal, and Jazz, that exists to be atypical and non-simplistic, combining past and future musical ideas and structures with the intent to push music forward, often through Classical and/or Jazz influences and experimentation into futuristic/avant-garde sounds and styles. This often includes odd time signatures, lengthy song durations, challenging of the form, and fantasy/concept-based lyrics and/or albums. I say "intent", meaning that may not always happen, but it is undoubtedly a common goal for Prog bands. And like many genre definitions, this may not apply to every Progressive Band. But I challenge anyone reading to identify a band that doesn't at least fall into some parts of the definition.
@deanwolfechannel
@deanwolfechannel 2 года назад
Well done, you nailed it succinctly
@Albanez39
@Albanez39 2 года назад
I wish he could touch on progressive electronic music and how it progressed from the rock scene to the trance and acid genres :(
@jamesspears6590
@jamesspears6590 5 лет назад
Nice.
@phearlesspharaoh3697
@phearlesspharaoh3697 3 года назад
IMO King Crimson was the best… “Elephant Talk” one of my favs
@Kalprog
@Kalprog 5 лет назад
Prog music afficinados know exactly what the term refers to. His description is accurate and honest. There were and are several bands who created progressive music without even knowing it, that's the magic of artist expression. Just because you may be lumped into a genre or category by the media doesn't mean you have to live there.
@pietrozaffutomusic
@pietrozaffutomusic 3 года назад
Thank u
@mikereiss4216
@mikereiss4216 8 лет назад
I don't think most people are aware of Soft Machine nor do I think they would generally be considered "classic rock."
@Yura-Sensei
@Yura-Sensei 4 года назад
3:52 can anyone tell me the name of the song in bg?
@popachelli3548
@popachelli3548 8 месяцев назад
I think any concept album that goes on a journey is progressive rock.
@jsthomas7892
@jsthomas7892 7 лет назад
Song at 4.10?
@utkarshkulshrestha6783
@utkarshkulshrestha6783 3 года назад
Can someone name the song at 4:35
@AgelessIlluminate
@AgelessIlluminate 5 лет назад
What is the song that plays @ 4:46 ?
@diegoorrico9415
@diegoorrico9415 5 лет назад
sounds like mahvishnu orchestra
@Abonanno24601
@Abonanno24601 7 лет назад
is Rush prog?
@majaratti9031
@majaratti9031 4 года назад
Starting simple ending complex
@krazyhartin
@krazyhartin 3 года назад
I like the freedom of progressive music.
@aalever
@aalever 5 лет назад
What makes Houses of the Holy prog rock?
@xxxtentioncable6813
@xxxtentioncable6813 4 года назад
Idk. Physical Graffiti is a better prog album
@piotrb8434
@piotrb8434 4 года назад
"...not so much a genre as an approach to making music...", "Progressive rock... it's a desire to go beyond the formulaic...". You, Sir, hit the nail on the head. "Prog rock" is not and was never a strictly defined genre of music. It's a tendency to go beyond the simple song format of rock music that first appeared in the late 1960's. It's a tendency to broaden the original narrow formula of rock and incorporate non-rock elements into it. It is NOT a genre. And by the way, "classic rock", "alternative rock", "college rock" are also not genres. Dixieland jazz, be bop, bluegrass, rockabilly, beat music, hard rock, punk rock, heavy metal, noise rock, hip hop, drum 'n' bass, acid house, death metal, hardcore, electronic body music, surf rock are genres. Prog is not a genre.
@AgelessIlluminate
@AgelessIlluminate 5 лет назад
What's that song that started @ 4:20
@AgelessIlluminate
@AgelessIlluminate 5 лет назад
As well as the song that started @ 4:50 lol
@Youtubemademeaddahandle
@Youtubemademeaddahandle 2 года назад
Prog Rock must earn the title only after having proven to further development of compositional style which includes elements from several world music sources with which the players have become somewhat comfortable expressing themselves. No small set of formulae should be employed to base production of addition iterations. Composition needs to express any creativeness the players are growing into. Growth and not simply juggling of elements and twists of phrases, without which the title of "progressive" does not apply.
@samuelling4686
@samuelling4686 4 года назад
Ok
@toddjohnson271
@toddjohnson271 6 месяцев назад
In my opinion the Beatles were just starting to flirt with prog with the Abbey Road medley.
@markahlers6011
@markahlers6011 9 месяцев назад
Progressive rock is psychedelic rock without the overt drug references.
@AtlasCubeProgressiveRock
@AtlasCubeProgressiveRock 4 года назад
ProgOn! #atlascube
@xanderdaniels8284
@xanderdaniels8284 5 лет назад
How tf did he not mention Rush when listing examples in the beginning? They’re practically The Godfather’s of prog rock
@xanderdaniels8284
@xanderdaniels8284 5 лет назад
storeeteller1 No we aren’t, but Rush undeniably transformed prog and brought it to the masses in way that none of those bands did before it. There’s a reason that nearly every modern prog band cites Rush as a major influence.
@zgSH4DOW
@zgSH4DOW 4 года назад
Oh, was he supposed to list every fucking band on the planet? That would've served so much to the point of the sentence
@oscarbrittingham-detxemend396
@oscarbrittingham-detxemend396 3 года назад
king crimson, yes, soft machine, etc had their feet deep in the ground years before Rush even released their first album
@MrNic919
@MrNic919 4 года назад
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure brought me here
@jamiewesson898
@jamiewesson898 5 лет назад
houses of the holy prog ha
4 года назад
Therefore Pink Floyd , ELP, ELO...early albums are Progressive!
@phoenix9375
@phoenix9375 2 года назад
Kerry Livgren, KANSAS, is the best composer ever
@ProJatior
@ProJatior 7 лет назад
Kraftwerk?
@aidenswords5809
@aidenswords5809 3 года назад
Kraftwerk are krautrock
@jakekarr9733
@jakekarr9733 3 года назад
Led Zeppelin’s “ Achille’s Last Stand “ is quintessential prog akin to Pink Floyd’s “ Shine on You Crazy Diamond “. Prog is a chord progression or “ texture “ that subtlety manifests into a mind blowing musical experience and returns back to its origin to take you down gently from the journey.
@shadowninjarider374
@shadowninjarider374 6 лет назад
Progressive music is music that starts off slow or soft and gets progressively faster or harder
@manigoug3925
@manigoug3925 8 лет назад
Is Phish Prog??
@mikereiss4216
@mikereiss4216 8 лет назад
+man gough To some extent yes. Have you heard Umphrey's McGee? They combine jam band with prog stuff.
@Abonanno24601
@Abonanno24601 7 лет назад
Mani Goug or Rush
@oscarbrittingham-detxemend396
@oscarbrittingham-detxemend396 3 года назад
yes they are. junta is easily one of the best prog albums of all time
@snaphaan5049
@snaphaan5049 3 года назад
Have to admit, when I heard "inclusive" I got triggered.
@Guitarist888
@Guitarist888 2 года назад
His body is so robotic!
@wonkawilly5573
@wonkawilly5573 6 месяцев назад
Never did go away. Like herpes. 😅
@jayvalentine2046
@jayvalentine2046 3 года назад
This explains absolutely nothing
@wahlawigi9572
@wahlawigi9572 3 года назад
yeah I feel like he was saying so much without actually saying anything. all I got was "it's the way you think while making music"
@captivesojourner
@captivesojourner 4 года назад
Progressive lol I heard that term before 👎🏼
@louisborselio8608
@louisborselio8608 4 года назад
Prog/ progressive should be eliminated as a music category. It's a term assholes use to make you feel bad about the music you enjoy.
@rayjones463
@rayjones463 5 месяцев назад
so thats what happened to chicago
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