What Is Reality? [Official Film] 

Here is zen. Breath. Be the "one" breathing

Same... not the 20 days part tho

@@JesusChrist-uc8ct my faith has never left, Jesus.... Unlike other who think they are perfect and throw rocks daily.... My faith is unshaken

Hey @Tori Skaja .... um... about that... How do I look for yours?

It's a mathematical song and God is the infinite Consciousness singing it into existence. God's language is the numbers, this reality is a half truth, most cultures say that there is a true reality. This reality is created by 1s and 0s, 0s are just a symbol for something that doesn't exist. So, 1s are truth and 0s are lies, a half truth. 50%, I mean 5% because 0 doesn't exist, of truth is still 5% a lie. 5+5=10, and 1+0=1. 1 is truth. God has revealed calculations to me that allow me to calculate our "seasons", and He has shown me that we have mathematical messages hidden within the his word the bible. These messages can predict our destiny, an important choice, or a warning in our lives from God Himself, through His word, therefore it is His truth. I'll use my own birthdate as an example. Dec.15th 1993, 12+15+1993=2020, 12+15=27, and in 2020 I'll be turning 27. This calculation works for everyone, and that is what God calls our "seasons", where we bear our "fruit" Psalms 1. God revealed to me that there are only nine true numbers, and all other numbers are illusionary. 123456789, 0 doesn't exist, and 10 is a half truth that means 1. It's a symbol that symbolizes the idea of nothing, but nothing can't exist by the very definition. So, it's an illusion. In the real reality there are only nine numbers 123456789. (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) is (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2) is (11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20) (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3) is (21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30) (4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4) is (31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40) (5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5) is (41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50) (6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6) is (51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60) (7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) is (61,62,63,64,65,66,67,68,69,70) (8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) is (71,72,73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80) (9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) is (81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90) (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) is (91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100) (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2) is (101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110) (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3) is (201,202,203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210) (4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4) is (301,302,303,304,305,306,307,308,309,310) (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) is (1000,1001,1002,1003,1004,1005,1006,1007,1008,1009) (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) is (7651,7652,7653,7654,7655,7656,7657,7658,7659,7660) Research the Mandelbrot set, and you'll find scientists trying to find a way to escape this reality, by going deeper into the illusion. It's impossible. That's how this matrix works, there are only 9 true numbers. The numbers in between don't exist, and the negative numbers also don't exist. We have ten fingers though right? Well, that is the illusion. This reality is based on 1s and 0s, truths and lies, a half truth reality. True reality is a fully conscious non "physical" one. The number of the beast is 666, and 6+6+6=18, 1+8=9 the number of the beast is 9. You can multiply 9 by any whole number and it will always equal 9. 9 is the sum of all numbers and it's disconnected from them as well. 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9=45, and 4+5=9. If you take a piece of paper, and draw 9 dots on it equally spaced in a circle add the 9 numbers to the dots. 9 is at the top. Draw a line connecting the 3,6, and 9, and you will get the triangle within the circle that I had on my back in a prophetic dream from God. Now connect the 2 and the 7 you get the horizontal line that was through the middle of it. 7+2=9, 9+6+3=18, and 1+8=9. 9+9+9=27, and in 2020, I'll turn 27, 2+7=9. 999 equals the most high's number, and it's my number. This is a true dream from God, I am in communication with God. This is divine proof, that I am a vessel of God's light. I enter people's dreams and give them hope, I am the eclipse, the darkness and the sun they sing of me. "Mathematically" just means divine... Watch my videos for more information. I know that I'm just some homeless bum, so I ask you not to judge me harshly.

Good point!

This ^

We can only see what we can see. The idea is that the universe is a crystalline structure where the single pattern that repeats in many many dimensions is actually the pattern we call consciousness and that crystalline structure to us looks a certain way because what we think of as the entire crystalline structure is actually only a quasicrystal of the entire crystal. its like we are looking at a screen representation of the real universe and that is also represented in our every day lives. everything affects everything simultaneously its all connected and so your description is true. we are describing what we are seeing and seeing what we are describing all at once there "its a chicken or the egg scenario." you either believe in coincidence or not.

Excellent idea

^ This so much. The Buddha said something along the lines of reality being reflective and what you see is what you get. That's food for thought for materialists and scientists

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you may be onto this, but this lockdown has me here

Corona virus effect

Yes corona effect, but as we sit we may look for ways to influence the much-needed reset. for that, our [collective] CONSCIOUSNESS may be the main factor. Maybe the algorithm also ''knew'' this? and yes Jim ross, Marion is the right woman for this video!

It seems the videos I want to watch are given to me like a gift, without having to search for them. I only have to choose the ones from a small list. Perhaps effecting my next choices in the future 💻

@@Lechuko80 you are quite damning without offering substantial proof to back it up

Like an ant can't think like humans

@@mojojojo97414 How can we ever understand everything? When we do, we become gods.

@@saskoilersfan *_🤦🏾‍♂️_*

Rigel Moon The universe is full of things we can never understand.. not in our lifetimes anyway.

@@faithmumbua4415 *_I doubt it... the understanding portion._*

And God said, let there be light. Isn't life the best song?

So happy you enjoyed! Thank you!

@@QuantumGravityResearch Yes, and thank you for taking the time to educate me on a daily basis now.

This is just another story that was imagined by Consiousness. It didnt explain anything but only push explanation down one level. Atoms, strings quarks, dimentions and all other theories are just stories within stories within stories they didn't hit rock bottom substance of reality that is universal infinite consiousness.

Quantum peap

b dufflebag boy not drummerboy

Me too🤣

You are like a rock. Rough yet smooth. Gathered together you are formed. Stable, erodible, and able to roll. Actions with reactions. 🥌🤘🏼

I realised this as a kid. All we ever have is symbols to communicate with. Representations. And representations are never, ever objective. They must be processed through individual minds, who will perceive them in individual ways. That adds another layer of remove: only representations, and those representations are only subjective. That's the best we've got, if we're using words.

Ikr

@Nadroj 4:13am for me.

It’s 10 and I’m still awake😩

... you are right , we live in so much imaginations , we will get shock , if someone shows, we are breathing ,...

Something similar happened to me on my first acid trip. 450 ug of acid and I believed I died twice lol.

Sounds is if you reached the lower astral plane, which is accessible, I've read, via some drugs, dreams, and very persistent and disciplined meditation. On the physical, we deal with, perceive, and are restricted by fairly fixed forms that are nonetheless moving and changing constantly. On the Metaphysical planes, specifically the astral (which is the only one we, as individuated and embodied souls, can access) form is very loose and soft and drifting. These planes interpenetrate, but the physical is the one most constrained by forms.

ichabod I also was blinded by a white light only when I would look in a certain direction with my eyes closed. I think it may have been my third eye trying to open for the first time.

Tool has a song with this sentence ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-51fcG3sxvII.html at 1:15

Yes!!! And now here's Joe with the weather

I didn't know this. Thanks for sharing.

Pretty cool, isn't it?

Scientists are not spending anything to figure out what your grandma told you lol. The claims of this video are VERY dubious in a host of ways. Besides that, trying to conflate superficial similarities between a scientific hypothesis and the claims of an ancient mythology is very irresponsible.

and that is precisely why it is rubbish

@@Omega172 Everything is hypothesis until it is proven. We'll wait and watch.

Reality is ................................................you bank account

@@pooorman-diy1104 Money is like energy. You work for it. It has a stored potential. It flows to the path of least resistance. Spending it makes changes 🤑

This is the really big question. A large number of the comments here indicate that RU-vid was pretty accurate in this prediction.

That's such a nice compliment! Thank you! So happy you enjoyed!!

However, this is not actually science. Where are the predictions and experiments?

If you are not being sarcastic, I really want to talk with you about your experience.

@@nasarquadri I’m serious. I feel like I’m in purgatory.

@@machineelf9459 same man

@@machineelf9459 Would you care to share your experience? ..I am so fed up of existing here with a nihilistic view, maybe I can get some meaning and truth. And I guess I can trust more over your words than holy scriptures to be authentic since you won't have a great motive to appear magical like those book's writers and at least I am listening to very first hand experience :D

@@Mahlak_Mriuani_Anatman wow, so this perception is common than I think :o

Ok so now connect the dots. Reality is THE halucination. It is projection without substance. It depends only how consious you are of it. How consious you are that reality is you. Everything can melts away but you can't.

Arith Härger you only experience life through the present. The now

If you flipped a coin 3 times, the outcome had a 100 percent chance of happening, because it did happen. The next flip depends on all the different circumstances that act upon it before it lands. 💰

and while I'm reading your comment , it says you posted it 3 hours ago!! is it a coincidence !!!!!!!

Yea, the algorithms are wacky now that RU-vid has been left mostly to the AI because of the plague

@@inanimatenakib5423 no its the golden ratio

Does it matter? Did the algorithm make me or you pick up the phone & check out RU-vid or Facebook or whatever? I often don't for days or weeks.

@@brianallen8588 Its a joke. Also, yes, it probably did. Its a strange algorithm.

? but it was elegant and simple explenation

@@MrValgard I know it was..guess more the point of string theory. nothing simple about string theory.

@RASOLDIOS Time is a word invented by the human mind to calculate relative movement of objects through space. Without perception of space, there is no time. Therefore time exists as a subject of relative space. And without a mind to comprehend the objects in space , essentially time doesn’t exist as we know it.

@@LordGadwin exactly! And all living creatures have the notion of time. Animal, just like us, even without a watch or calendar, know when its " time for this, or time for that ". For wild animals, they mostly refer to the sun. As the days get longer and hotter, its "time" for reproduction for example. And when it gets shorter and colder, its " time" for harder days.. And just like us, the more of this cycle we get to live, the more we realize that one day, it will be our last summer or winter.. Time is the relation between the beginning of something and the end. Speed and time are different but in relation with one and other. Ex: a humming bird's wings flap seems to us so fu.kin fast, but to them its just normal and WE are the one that are slow from their point of view. That applies to everything.

You sourced the internet for that quote? When did he say it and where?

I too have experienced weird things... and those experiences have convinced me that we are living in an ancestor simulation. One of the weirdest things I noticed, is that when we dream, it's more like we are watching a film.. and not like we are just making them up as they go. This whole place is controlled.. mind control.

The perception of fragmented snapshots is a result of the left brain hemispheric function. It perceives things in parts and division, not the whole. What the left hemisphere perceives needs to be reintegrated with the right hemisphere for real understanding, or as close as we can come to it.

@@michaelricketson1365 Nah! I like my theory better! Tapped into the fabric of reality is a better story too. Lol

@@mckid2683 Also the left hemisphere tends towards irrational optimism.

@@michaelricketson1365 Lmfao! 👏👍😆 Nice 1

@@mckid2683 Just saying. 🤗

No... but the video came out 3 years ago. I've never heard of 8D crystals and tetrahedral pixels until now... if it really were a "theory of everything" we would have heard more about it on the news, or *somewhere*. I follow science stuff like this and I've never seen it before.

I truly do not want to be a bible puncher. But here is something to consider and ponder about! "What was IS and what IS shall be AGAIN!

Nellie Price we are very much in our infancy perhaps as is suggested by the scientists on our planet and the universe(s) as a whole. I know science gets criticised a lot, but it has to have its place as a point on a map of our physical reality, just as much as the Bible does with the records of a past many hold as faith without question. I was brought up into religion and quite strict too, but chose to step away from things when older with things I disagreed to (but respect the nature of its values as necessary), the 'what was, is..... etc' point makes some interesting views that make sense. But what's more intriguing is that - and as scientists share - there seems to be a greater order and organised structure behind the creation of everything. I know I said I stepped away from religion, but this 'greater thing' keeps pushing through the interpretation that 'God' or something phenomenal that can be called by its own name, by each culture, is the cause and creation of everything. To sum up everything that we try or do understand is impossible with our reality, so we can only try to understand these points in their easy steps with tv or images to try and illustrate. There is something in it. Oh, and I touched something incredible in the next place as I lay in a coma 18 years ago, a place that was mind blowing, even spiritually blowing and as I lay flatlining on brain activity for almost 2 weeks. Where I was, was somewhere I didn't want to leave and I was mighty upset I was 'brought back'. The word Heaven comes to mind, but no pearly gates, just unimaginable happiness and perfect peace as one. Birth and rebirth is painful and not nice. Years later I find it hard to believe I was ever crushed and with my life hanging on thread. But then, threads and string theory seem a run of terms here too lol. Best of wishes, Mike

Never too much. Dish dish Michael. Glad you're ok, hope I'm ok smh.

You nailed it😅😂

"Belief" is like getting a tan for your ego though the harder you cling to your belief the more likely you'll end up likely getting burnt... Faith is different though where does your faith end and your belief begin?

@@nyannyannyan3529 i love you

The mic drop in all this noise is right here

​@@nyannyannyan3529you will know

Before anything existed, a single energy desired; I know of everything but yet I can't experience what I know. I know of love ... but I want to "experience" love, touch, etc. So this energy split itself apart to have something to relate to ... and at that moment, relativity and all of us were born! But Even with others to "relate" to, we had the same desire; to "experience" what we knew. So we all made an agreement to come here, to live in flesh ... but we realized to fullfill our experience, opposites must also exist. To know of good, we must know and experience bad. Both must exist for experience. To know of love, fear must exist, dark and light and Tall and short etc. To that ends, we must not know who we are, of our true nature (our connected spirits) and we must believe that we're all separate but we can never not be who we are, so we did the next best thing, we forgot who we are! Therefore, we don't teach, we simply "remind" each other, to "remember" to "re enter" the membership ... Remember. So reality is everyone's dream brought to life through our consciousness. Example; if you observe wave forms they jump to particles (solid form) and vise versa! So everything is not solid but a wave form without the observer! So reality only exist through the observer. When this study broke, it was the first real measurable study of reality! But The real question is, why do we exist? It's simply to quiet the mind and the ego until we can realize our true nature, our consciousness, which is our souls. And once we find that space of stillness and make that connection to our egos ... with our souls ... which is where we came from and will return once again! Until we make this connection during a lifetime, we'll keep coming back to play this game over and over again. See you soon! 🎶Namaste 🎶

I was discussing this with my wife, and I think all living things have a version of consciousness that is relative to themselves within their place in the universe.

Ah humans. They do make me shake my head at times.

I often notice that people tend to make fun of things they cannot comprehend.

Isn't the golden ratio Fibonacci's thing, you know, the side view cutaway of the sea snail shell, the spiral thingy and is that not addressed by Pythagoras as well?

hey i like your comment, but you are slightly contradicting yourself. i dont mean to judge or criticize you by any means. but how can you say that when you meditate your mind gets clearer, yet you were led to believe that it is so, no? but is it truth? is it the absolute truth? your direction is right, spirituality is the way. but perhaps not materialistic spirituality? feeling is the key ! if what you do gives you the right feeling and you feel like it's the absolute truth and there is nothing lacking in it, then i am glad and happy for you truly. but if there is the slightest hint of doubt and you're only seeing a small fracture of something bigger, and that tiny bit of good misguides/misleads you to making you think that everything is fine, why not extend those 5mins of focus into something greater? infinite ? for spirit is eternal... if your ego doesnt consider it then you're tricking your own self. i admire your enthusiasm towards your spiritual guide, but have you considered his intent? purpose? self-help is very narrow minded and indicates towards materialistic desires(money). many of your words and concepts seem "borrowed" from other wisdoms and dont seem quite "whole". whats with the copypaste of quotes and name insert? again not trying to judge or anything but theres something little of personal ego involved. im just saying... i'd be happy to tell you more. if you're interested ofc, otherwise im glad you've found your happiness !

Bug off

@@morgandoraprojectmusic thanks for stopping by

no...a higher dimensional God/being is experiencing reality subjectively and creating/co creating with us. The being exists as information, consciousness and a geometric pattern that self defines itself...……..the great "I am that I am" everything spoke about here was already written about in the Bible. In the Beginning Was Information Dr. Werner Gitt ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6tEh85WJZf8.html In the beginning was the word/information...……….and the word was God and the word was with God.

I really doubt that we'll ever discover a theory of everything. We were not meant to know everything. We are only human, and everything we do, think, discover, and accomplish is only human. That's the silver lining, free will or not, conscious or not, simulation or not.

@@shawnmand5607 lol that pessimistic self limitation is so damn common in illiterate castes of society. Do you tell yourself too that you're never gonna achieve success in life?

@@Adorrae r/iamverysmart

a hahaha xD so hilarious. I think it's dumb. But you know. If atoms are like mini-universes then maybe it is possible for "god" to be experiencing what we experience in different ways but that is dumb. Neurons dont really work like that. In fact it would be dangerous for all of us to simultaneously be connected to one being like that. It would cause many errors...

You bring up some points that sound lovely (to me :-), as well as some I would love to debate... Photons (light) being "the connections between causal events" is an elegant and profound observation, provided we take into account Light's Infinite Variable Energy Velocities (by Juliana Brooks Mortensen - img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/e266e5e7-739c-437c-89c3-eed60d3a9f3f/downloads/1cfta5qse_881654.pdf). The relationship between your pre-big bang, non-causal universe (if there is/was such a thing) and the universe after the big bang (if there was such an event) remind me of the neurological processes that take place in a baby's brain - initially, neural pathways are connected (entangled), the brain is "lit up" but bereft of "derivable" symbolism/meaning. Synapses get created by what neurologists call "pruning" - a process similar to disentangling (braking entanglements), and this enables the child to process, categorize and comprehend information, including concepts such as causality :-)... When it comes to life and consciousness, you seem to be a proponent of them being emergent phenomena, that is without a precursor of the same ousia - essence... Folks like Tatyana Chernigovskaya (a world renowned neuroscientist) would disagree with this, and so would I. Chernigovskaya is absolutely aware of everything that is currently known about the chemistry, physics and biology of our brains, but calls these phenomena correlative to consciousness, not causing consciousness ... And a word about the video: it dances (ambiguously) around the question of what, or rather, who the "observing consciousness" actually is; the same is true when it comes to the 8D crystal (2:05) that gets projected into a 4D quasi crystal, that then gets further "downgraded" to become nothing more or less than the building block of our 3D reality?! All this without any explanation of the 8D crystal's origin, or, at the very least, the process which the scientists used to arrive at positing an 8D crystal! Vague at best... Seeing as how so many "smaller" issues have been eluding our limited capacity for understanding, and will continue to do so, I suspect the answer to the title of this video (What Is Reality) will remain hidden from us - I am definitely not holding my breath for a "theory of everything".

The key is to really understand nothing and recognize that nothing really matters and nothing counts.

Hahahahah lit.. They recommend bcz they know u r quarantined n sitting seeking different 🙏🏼 🙏🏼 🙏🏼 🤣🤣🤣

They don’t want us to time travel and talk to last years comment ,time quarantine

This maybe relativity or consciousness

True

Or maybe you are clicked on "Newest First" and instead need to click on "Top Comments" to see the comments sorted by ranking instead of time based.

Seems long 😂

In my experience there is no such thing as coincidence.

Not at random..

@@christyme6395 that is my thoughts also

@christyme6395 All experiences are a result of an event that will lead to another experience.

@@jenjenijenjen That's exactly the point. The video mentioned these two. Either the reality "is information" , or that it "is not". We may not say that we have another theory, but it doesn't mean that reality is therefore "just information"

That's the reason why I thumbed down this video. The whole video is full of hypothesis and proofs that only deem rhetorical. This video doesn't seems to even explain in even any abstract sense how energy and matter can be interpreted as information. Indeed, I don't even think it makes sense.

Glad you enjoy it! Thank you so much!

Right on brother!

Oh, do elucidate!

I saw this before but it was different. I was thinking it was different as I watched and then saw this comment. Hmmmm.

Could it be? You have changed? You see/understand things differently now? Just a Theory. I hear it happens... Actually, I know it happens! Best of Luck, the Future is Bright Happy Sunday! Happy Easter! PEACE

@@QuantumGravityResearch I agree! ??? (1) Set & Setting; (2) Segment Intending; (3) 'Tonal of the Times' / The Present Energy ???

Future is past and past is future and both are present. What you say doesn't disturb me.

So, reality only exist if it can be experienced? ...

@@nicolasdias1542 - Good question, but the answer may not be as simple as you may think :) I can recommend the following book, as a starting point: "The Case Against Reality: How Evolution Hid the Truth from Our Eyes" - by Donald D. Hoffman.

Yes consciousness is the ultimate reality

Waiting for replies dude

Neat. I think its just a different way to look at the same thing though, right? The speed of light is actually the speed of causality. Which is of course inseparable from time. In fact since we're talking about speed, it must have a time component anyway. Cool thoughts man.

@@MattH-wg7ou i get ur point... It's impossible for a fourth dimension to not exist and speed of light be the max.

@@prakharmishra3000 I agree...spooky action at a distance (quantum entanglement) shows that information can travel faster than the speed of light.

@@markparker7387 and we don't even totally understand the nature of subatomic particles

same thinking

Real is when triangles burst forth as quarks which spin billions of times a second as 3 points of light forming protons and neutrons. Which are all fractals spinning as energy and light.

@@josephpchajek2685 It does!

Elaine Aeris I have never seen such a lack of understanding of a theory lol

@@Starkl3t Starkl3t these are my own theories, obviously! And drunken theories, at that.

Elaine Aeris Maybe you know more than you give yourself credit for... And...Yes...you may also be right about the wine...lol 😉

Starkl3t Did you put up a public comment that I could view... You know... so everyone could judge your own understanding of this theory!!

Now I understand you. Don't worry.

lol

Thanks! Glad you liked the film!

@@QuantumGravityResearch ... and there u lost me, the pyramids of Giza are not tetrahedrons

Tetrahedrons have only triangles, no square base.

Interesting, thanks for sharing!

Exactly. That is exactly what reality is- an eternal loop. It is self reflexive. It exists to understand itself.

Think about it. Nothing cannot create something. So, there was no time in which something just sprang into being out of nowhere. There was no beginning, there is no end. Reality is eternal and timeless. The loop is only perceived within spacetime. Outside is just the eternal now.

I experienced this idea for the first time last night! Simulations of an advanced software program; like, we're not real, we are just "holograms" in a sense.

Wow, thanks! So happy you enjoyed!

Look and you shall find

@@hadoukan722 Don't you mean: "Seek, an you shall find"?

@@rmknfklh5324 don't you mean: "Seek, AND you shall find"? 😏

@@adhdboytv 😅👍

@@rmknfklh5324 😁

Wow accidently gave my own comment a thumbs up and it was the 4th. 4's all day today, Seriously a ridiculous amount. I am so Neutral I don't even care if I am Real or Not. Kind of Scared to go Home, cause I can't imagine who I could possibly be

I have came to the exact same conclusions with the same intention to understand reality by connecting every subject and experience like an objective collective puzzle. You have to be able to synthesize dualistic concepts to be able to see the truth, and to overcome judgment and confusion in the mind, which is more or less war on an individual level.

I'M GUNNA GO WITH MY INTUITION THAT HAS RECENTLY REALIZED THAT "IT'S ALL A LIE " PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN TAUGHT TO BELIEVE IS A LIE. I KNOW WHAT "GOOD" IS AND NO MATTER WHAT LIES I'M FED GOOD AND TRUTH WILL EVENTUALLY REVEAL THEMSELVES I JUST NEED TO BE PATIENT AND USE MY INTUITION AND WISDOM TO SEE THROUGH THE MILLIONS OF LIES. THEY CAN NOT FAKE A HIGHER VIBRATION

Didn't I read all of this long ago on a Dr. Bronner's body soap bottle.

Thank you so much 😀

Study The Double Slit Theory and mix that weird construct into it. There's a lesson there....