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for stoploss , sir how do we know other people are buying call side or put side. if market going up , some people may by calls , but some people may by put as well(thinking market will come down to hit the stoploss) , how do I know from yesterdyas chart that, people are buying calls or put options
I think there is a 4th Reason, that if they go long without Removing the Retail traders, the Retail traders who are Long will book their profits, which will have to come out of the pockets of Institutional Buyers.
Good point Venkatesh. To add to your thought ... since Fear and Greed are the two main drivers for retail traders, it seems to me that they first create fear when hunting stops and then turn the market to leverage the greed of traders when the market starts moving away, i.e., they seem to be trading the converse of the retail trader's mindset and emotions. Either way, they create volatility and liquidity by doing so. Since they have the firepower to really move the market, they are already at an advantage because they know which way the market is going to go and where it will turn (with their big opposing order); the volatility and liquidity just enhance the profits that they book. Thoughts ?
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I would say when entering into the trade itself be confident on your trade...dont keep any stop loss if r sure its going to come back...This is the only way u can do to escape the hunt....and fall in a jungle like stocks as u dont know when where and how u will be attacked..if u want to be trading then trade in a safe zone...I.e., trade nifty bank nifty as there is less volatility in the Indices unlike stocks...and gain skills and have proper tools before u fall in the jungle....if u r going into a jungle without skills and proper tools.....think what would happen...
Finally one of the few videos on the Big operator methodology. How do they know SL...Xchange shares with them? I strongly feel that the order management system calculates the net position of the market and then releases bulk executions based on the Bakkara's positions. 9.40, 10.40, 11.50, 12.20,1.45, 2.40 are times when big swings are made. The Algo teases the retailers to wind up. I think each retailer goes to make x amt and is fleeced 50x. Most service providers give weird calls to trap retail. So many strategists have cropped up. Everything is against the retailer who is repeatedly lured. Could you shed light on the trading terminals, best charting available which is not rigged.
Hi Sir, First and foremost, I would like to thank you for providing me with this knowledge for free of cost. I have been a prey of this scenario many times. I would like to know. I would like to know where to keep Stop-Loss to avoid being hunted by a large corporation.
I think you deserve a standing ovation 👏👏👏👏👏for this crucial topic video... Very nicely explained the dark side of stock market.. And indeed it is a truth... God bless you
Sir we are simply saying 'big institutions' as though all big institutions are evil. It is not bad to be a big institution. Right now the people manipulating the market and calling themselves "FII" are the Mauritius, Maldives and other hideous tax haven countries based investment firms that are operated probably by terrorists. And SEBI in all likelihood has taken ghoos from them to impose draconian rules.
Amazing guys. Internals like these will definitely help us getting into the minds of those hunters and build counter strategies. Now I have got why in the market opening most of the time there is a big fall and then steady jump in index prices. They hunt all stoplosses from previous session.
What I hear you saying really is that you like to gamble and could give a crap about risk management. You are not serious about trading and like the excitement of fast money. You are essentially placing a bet on red or black and letting them ride, because you are a gambler my friend! Many out there. Nice to know who's on the other side of my trade :)
what a perfect explanation , long awaited subject. i saw man videos where market experts emphasized that you should place our stop loss in a correct zone and it shouldn't be percentage wise, please answer.
Before entering a trade, write down your entry point and write down your stop loss. Now put your entry where your stop loss is and move your stop loss further down
The problem that I have with this, is that there's absolutely no way of telling when the stop hunting period is and when it's actually over so you can plan around it. Usually, it's not over until the market has blasted off in the other direction and then you're left chasing the trade, which is never good. What timeframe by your estimation should be the cut off for stop hunting?
Don't become predictable..not only for stock market nowadays it is needed for our life also..in our relation, job, all spheres...very good content...👍🙏 AND ALSO ..❤️ UNETHICAL PRACTICES ARE NOT ALWAYS ILLEGAL❤️
I call it gunning the stops. We put our stops in the same spots so there are quite a few shares to be picked up on some mkt or stock weakness. If they do do it during quiet mid day trading they can pick up some discounted shares
Sir. SL is hibernated order. It gets active only when CMP crosses the trigger. So In real sense, exact data wont be with FIIs DIIs. However, the psychological SL probability as explained by you is the only way for them. Nice video, need series of 2-3
Thank you sir, I've seen so much learning video about stock market but your efforts are very much commendable. The most important part its comprehensiveness. Salute you🙏
I read statements that for one to win in forex, probably also in stocks, another must lose. Is what I hear a lie and if it's not, is it possible for it to still work when all win? Did I misunderstand it?
sir, your courses were about full share market, in bulk from foundation to end, but there are more beginners who are having basic knowledge and about 1 year of experience, who need to learn options and futures alone, kindly do a separate course for us.
@@Oreo88trader it will become more volatile.... Till now operators needed 1000s of crore capital ... Now they can manipulate market with just 100 core ... Remeber intraday traders were the shields till now for investors
Excellent. I watched many videos from last 5 year. But just push like, and dislike. But this video really very good topic for retail Treders. And yes we want SL video.
You are from a few explainers about stop-loss, talking about the exact issue with that. Which I discovered in 2004-2005. it is really you have right, that banks or brokers sometimes do that to take traders' money from stop-loss positions. Best video about stop-loss warning
@DaLuckDoes - I don't think that will help since institutions are not hunting individual stops, they are hunting the herd (think liquidity). So even if you place an invisible stop where most retail traders place their stops, you will still get hunted. They're using mass psychology (aka herd mentality) to hunt stops, seems to me using reverse psychology would help prevent your stops from getting hunted. Thus, the many requests for a video on where/how to place stops.
GOOD MORNING Sir. About stop loss hunting. Yesterday (24-05-2021) I had a bitter experience. At 12:44:27, I bought BANK NIFTY MAY 34900 CE @ 344.70 with a stop loss of 290.30 which was below the DAY LOW at 10:00 hrs.(291.75). At 12:51:56, all of a sudden price went down and the stop loss hit at 288.95. l felt it as a stop loss hunting because just after that the price went up and in fact it was a beginning of a good rally. Later on verification of the candle the lowest price at that moment is 303.05 (but really my stop loss hit at 288.95, a 14.1 point difference without candle low evidence). This is the matter which is disturbing me. Will you please help me understand this phenomenon?
HALF INFORMATION IS CONFUSING INFORMATION !!!!!! I watched this video till the middle and subscribed your channel As I liked it so much. Then at the end you kept me hanging , where is Your video about how to avoid to Be Victim of Stop loss hunting. I searched all your uploads did not get it. Anyway I will find My answer from somewhere else. Unsubscribing your channel. Thank you
Thanks for this amazing insights sir, please please do videos on stop loss. This video is incomplete with the conclusion or giving us an idea on how not to get hunted. Again great learning 👍
This exactly happened to me today.. and unfortunately the stoploss didnt even hit, as there were no any buyers and i went so low... (20% below my sl)... so i had to wait for almost and hour for my sl to hit... (go figure the sadness) and whole day firefighting to coverup...😩😩🤣🤣🤕🤕... i really think someone does this stuff.. but cant blame the jungle, it happens....
In past year, I got my SL hit because of Breakout trading... We enter at wrong level because of FoMo...this forced entry causes illogical or out of risk SL.. SL needs to be where its needed... One way of minimising the risk is waiting for Pullbacks/ Retests to high volume price levels.. At least you now have some confidence that you are trading along with the big hands...
If anyone trading in Nifty index as an Option buyer....if you are buying Single lot of 50 then stop loss of 500 Rs to 700 Rs is must below your buying price..... if you are buying at 50 Rs then you must place stop loss at 40 Rs minimum..... and you must buy near resistance and support levels or at retracement rather than middle of trend.... If you'r entry is right then 500 Rs to 700 Rs of stoploss will surely save you from getting it hit even if you'r prediction of direction is right. Learn more about candle stick patterns and use them near support and resistance levels.... Don't rely much on indicators ...instead use price action and candle stick patterns to understand more about market sentiment and direction... Candlestick and Rsi indicator is best combinations and enough.
If Brokers stop giving stoploss data to the exchange it will be hard to hunt. They know everything where is the stoploss and now a days, they go really deep to hunt stoploss.
THIS IS THE BEST OF THE BEST AND THE COUNTLESS BEST VIDEO I WAS LOOKING FOR A LONG DAYS WHY IT HAPPENS THE MECHANISM & SCIENCE BEHIND IT & THIS VIDEO IS ABSOLUTELY FANTIC VERY CLEARLY EXPLAINED THE SL HUNTING ... THANK YOU SOOOOOO MUCH
One last reason could be to generate commissions. If 10,000 retail traders are at a stop and it's hit, the broker gets commission on 10,000 orders but alas this is pure speculation.
I appreciate your effort sir in putting you thought process with clear explanation. I would like to see much more vedios of this kind which explains the thought process and logic behind anything related to stock market
how frequent is this "borderline" illegal practice by the hunters?? So basically us retail traders have 2 options, either set wider SLs or only use mental stops, correct???
Have an emergency funds account with more than 15% in normal times to maintain your trade but in crash you will need up to 35-40% so start with emergency fund account 15% leading to 40% if you are interested to do stocks and deal it as business and not a hobby
They know our stoploss because they have subscribed for tick by tick data from exchange And chart analysis We can't access to tick by tick data because it is very expensive
Well said. Though I'd some feeling about why stop loss gets triggered, this video is a magnifying glass on that event. Loved the catchy analog of tiger in a jungle.
I would say when entering into the trade itself be confident on your trade...dont keep any stop loss if r sure its going to come back...This is the only way u can do to escape the hunt....and fall in a jungle like stocks as u dont know when where and how u will be attacked..if u want to be trading then trade in a safe zone...I.e., trade nifty bank nifty as there is less volatility in the Indices unlike stocks...and gain skills and have proper tools before u fall in the jungle....if u r going into a jungle without skills and proper tools.....think what would happen...
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