What Is The Difference Between A Bowling Ball Drilled Pin Up & Pin Down | Featuring 900 Global Zen! 

I LOVE your reactions to shots. You crack me up man. A wealth of knowledge while still being comical and entertaining. Perfect amount of shots with explanations as well. Pure gold baby!

The shot at the 12:45 mark won me over. Sir you just convinced me to buy a pin-down Zen and to subscribe to your channel. Phenomenal video, can't wait to watch more!

Luis, awesome video on the pin up & pin down on the Zen, great layouts on both zen, and info on surface. Been eying the zen for a good minute, now I’m going to get one! Thank You 🙏🏼 😊🤙🏽

Yes, I like that because sometimes you just move left so much that when you have a pin down ball, you don’t have to move so left and you can start to work the ball the way it should be worked. I think that’s great. I had a grip that newest one and I had a pin up and I just had to move Sometimes 10 boards over or 11 boards over to make that ball hit the way it should, and I drilled with the pin down and I haven’t really gotten used to it yet. You have also made me take a ball the Zen with the pin down because I saw the way you threw that ball. You went more straight with the pin down and sometimes you need that with the way the pattern is and I think this is very educational. I enjoy it and, it’s always good to see your videos on the new ball that are coming out. I love them because you really explain everything about it and the corrections you make later on I listen to them too and I’m very glad that you do that you’re just a great instructor to help me along in my flight through Bowling because I never took professional lessons and I followed decent game but not something that I would be really proud of, but they have a lot of recking to do with me. I can bow at 2:20 or 230 and then I can roll in 160 so that’s my problem.

I loved this video. The pin down really rolled smooth and shaped well on the lane. I have a pin down Trend 2 and it's similar finishing ball for me. Keep up the great videos. Thanks again!

Thanks for a really great explanation Luis! I appreciate you breaking some of these concepts down into simple terms. I have a pin up Infamous and a pin down Black Widow Ghost and thinking back over some games yesterday, I can see what you mean about layout affecting ball motion (obviously sim/asim and cover stock make a HUGE difference as well). Keep up the great work!

Great job explaining the numbers difference on both layouts. Pin down was money in your hand on that condition! Keep up the good work!!

Mr. Luis I really enjoy the content in the video and I hope you would do more videos in the future like this because I enjoy a pin down layout.

Great video Luis. One could definitely see the ball motion differences in each ball. Thanks for explaining the ball motion, of these lay-outs, and how those motions can be beneficial to in-game situations. I too have a pin up and pin down drill of the same ball, and I'll have to re-evaluate those balls. 👊🖖✌

Great video overall. Just wanted to say your swing is definitely looking smoother lately. Keep up the good work.

a great simple explanation of pin down vs pin up ..amazing how many players still get this the wrong way around. I have a new Zen - pin down - but I didn't like the shape - lots of "wobbles" when moving left ... so I put a 1000/4000 surface on it ... much better now

Really nice job explaining the differences , thx !

This helps me out a lot! Thank you. I have the Zen Soul and sometimes I hate how early it reads so this helps me understand better

Great job Luis....very informative.

Another great video... a pin-up and pin-down Nova, or a Gem video would be interesting. Love the educational videos. You do a great job explaining the details and not making them too complicated.

Great Video! You're straight up $$ with that pin down Zen in zone 2!!!

Always come back to your content mate. Getting a zen delivered in the next day or two. I,m going to get it pin down as I have a pin up Phaze 4. Hoping they compliment each other. Cheers mate.

Great video. I have only had 1 pin down ball. It was an OG Melee with a 1" pin with a weight hole. Loved that ball. With my high track my PSO is afraid to drill pin down for me due to possibly clipping the thumb hole. Keep up the good work buddy!

Recent subscriber, really enjoy your vids and appreciate the upload frequency. One thing I'd like to see on any bowler channel, would be a PIP in bottom corner of a closer/zoomed-in shot of the break/flip/hook point (whatever you want to call it). Bright mixed colored balls are easier to see but always thought it'd be fun to see the "action" of ball up close. Of course that might mean more equipment and editing but just throwing it out there. Keep up the great work.

More educational videos?...YES! Pin Up vs Pin Down battle is amazing to see in any popular/league ball. Do a video on how to find PAP without a ProSect...Just tape & your phone's video camera! Keep up the good work Luis! You're make a difference sir!!!

Thank you for this video!

I have a pin up zen that looks more or less like the placement you have on your pin up zen and I personally love it. Thank you for the comparison vid!

Great video, and explanation. I would like to see more educational videos, like about the fronts being burned up, how to read what your ball is doing, etc.

Great content bro and I want to see more layouts on bowling balls👍👍

I bought a Zen with the pin down I know you had it at 70 but my pro said oh I wouldn’t go that far so he said it at 40 so I’m still enjoying the gym paying up and I’m waiting for a chance to use the Zen pen down and I’ll do that at practice and I enjoy your your educational videos very much showing me where you throw it and how are you throw it and moving left to right really helps me a lot thank you

Nice video and y7es that pin down did look great, I never use to use a pin down layout but over the last few years I think I like them much more than pin up

Loved the video on Pin up and Pin down on the Global Zen. Love to see this on the new Storm Infinite Physix and the Global 900 Wolverine Dark Moss. Please show us the board ##'s you start on for your feet and the board ##'s you are targeting. You Rock. Best Videos I have ever seen on bowling. Keep up the great work.

Another great video Lou!! My son got the same reactions with his pin up and pin down Altered Reality. He has been looking for something that would get down the lane rather than always reading to early and the pin down was his favorite. Check out his review at 2 Handed Ball Reviews. Keep it up Lou!!

Great video, please do more educational type videos. I usually start out with my Obsession (pin up) because it's more aggressive through the fresh oil, as the oil starts to go away I switch to my Black Widow 2.0 (pin down) to the end. I love watching my BW 2.0 go down the lanes because it looks so smooth and graceful and it's so easy to control. I actually prefer the pin down overall.

Form lookin effortless brotha👍👍👍

Great video. I would love to see the Gem in this format.

Yes these videos are great for reference.

Thanks for putting this out. TOO MANY PROSHOPS out here slap a pin up layout on a ball and still thinks it “goes long an flips” pin up balls are actually earlier.

Finally someone made it so clear for me to understand

Super helpful vid! Your slide is butter!! Proton, P2 or Pha4e would be cool!

Being, before knee and shoulder, 190s average and after surgeries well below, I only had one assistant pro shop serviceman watch how I threw to make suggestions. I had one who tried to help me with my middle finger issue. RH, finger was injured at 1½ years old. Starting from hand first joint is normal and straight, to the next joint my finger goes right about 5°, then from last joint finger goes goes left about 5° with a slight twist cw. It seems in my area, unless you're considered a premiere bowler, few have time for you. This is why I really enjoy informative demonstrations like yours. I love the data and explanations and examples that go with it. Speaking for me and other bowlers like me who enjoy bowling and the science are starving for more like you did here. It would be great to see you show the very basics through the adjustments of ball selection examples, bowling strategies, and ball and hand adjustments with real demos along with the numbers and science, please. Now regarding my middle finger issue above, if you know a bowler, coach, or pro shop operator, I wonder if you could get me some advice, recommendations of how I should proceed. The last finger joint is starting to get arthritis with pain, after I've finished my set and it lasts days now. I had a pro shop operator try a pitch change for it, but no relief. Should I change it to a conventional finger hole, or plug it and drill a hole for index and/or pinky finger, or drill the 2 fingers with one hole to try and get relief. I've been able to make changes through all my injuries and surgeries. I love bowling and perish the thought of quiting because I can't make a work around. Any thoughts or suggestion are appreciated. Thank you for your demo, and hoping it's not your last. ThomG

Now I know. Up vs Down can be relative to surface. As a beginner to advanced bowler I do agree with the surface and hand position aspect of bowling. Glad I watched this video before I began creating my new arsenal. I will definitely consider having a pin down ball for my house bowling league shot. Thank you Very Much.

Ive only drilled one ball in my arsenal pin down but loving it so far. Way more controlled and i can play straighter longer. Definitely gonna drill more balls pin down in the future

Interesting I just ordered the hustle camo and been wondering how to drill it. I might go pin down. I would love to see pin up pin down vid on the camo!! Great video

Great video!!..Really like that pin down motion. Would like to see this comparison on the original Reality. I'm very interested in what the pin down motion on it would look like. Appreciate the visual explanation!!

My pin down Rogue Assassin is my go to when I need a ball to be a little slower off the spot. Love the motion I get.

I suggest doing a phaze 2 and Zen with a little surface comparison. For me they are similar but compliment really well. Love the video brotha.

Hey Luis, hope you are well. So sorry for being late to this video love the info you presented. Would love to see if you could do one for the Motiv blue tanks as I have one of each. Again I know I am late but really trying to learn this game as I have more time to dedicate to learning as much on the lanes as off. Be blessed

Very good video

Amazing video, super helpful! Would be interesting to see pin up and pin down on an asymmetric ball.

Awesome vid 👍 I recently got into bowling again and I bought a black widow 2.0 hybrid (pin up). Then I bought a black widow legend (pin down), because I'm hooked on bowling. I even got a pink Widow urethane drilled for my left hand. I've bowled lefty a bunch of times before, but not with a hook. I want to hook it now.

Luis, it'd be great if you did an overview video on ball maintenance. What you use to clean your balls (if you do) before you put them away, how you deoil your ball, when/if to resurface it, etc.

Luis, you put out the best ball reviews and I particularly like this one. All of my balls are pin up as is my Zen. I'm thinking maybe I'll try pin down on my next ball. Aiming on getting a Gem to complement my pin up Reality.

@Luis Napoles Great video! Can do a video on how to differentiate ball motion such as hooking early in the release as it looked similar to me?

Thanks for the video and the information. If possible can you do a pin up, pin down comparison with the Reality thanks and keep up the good work.

great stuff as always, i would love to see a video with the black cherry tropical surge hybrid with surface change. For me being such a high rev bowler im relagated to extreamly high rg balls and even a ball like the camo is to much most of the time. Also there is just like a lack of any sort of review for that ball and it being a low priced hybrid i would love to see you review it.

Keep these Educational video's up, I would say ball motion is more or less covered across RU-vid, I find lane surface and those affects along with how the oil machines work aren't clearly explained any where's, ball motion, drilling, surface, ball maintenance and the main topics I feel are covered, but lanes, lane oils, oil machines are covered almost no where's! Keep up the good work!

The best technical aspect of the video was showing how the large val angle "tightens" up the flare rings. It would be interesting to see a video showing the flare ring difference due strictly to pin length.

Great video. I would like to see this comparison with the purple hammer.

Yes, more videos with pin up and pin down. Very educational. Do you think hand movement create the same ball motion down the lane?

Like the info and was helpful thank you. I been using in league, Code Red by Storm and a Rubicon by Roto Grip. Might not like too, but would be nice to see some about those balls.

Would love to see a pin up (70 x 3.5" x 20) vs pin down (40 x 4.25" x 75) comparison with an asymmetrical like the Altered Reality. Also, how about demonstrating a short pin layout on either the Altered Reality or the Zen (ex: 90 x 2.25" x 45, 90 x 1.25" x 45) as compared to a standard pin up layout (ex: 70 x 3.5" x 20, 45 x 4" x 35).

The best explanation of this... comes from the bowling ball itself: moving oil rings are proof of axis migration. Pin up or down changes that behavior/bowtie pattern, and as mentioned rg differences between drilled balls will hook differently. Initial throw begins at a point of instability, and the art is how best to match that to lane conditions - it shows up in the flare pattern. Personally, I am plagued with low axis tilt, that often means pin down is more forgiving.

Thanks for the info and bonus shots Luis! I’m thinking an asymmetrical pearl like the Altered would be interesting to compare. Also, I use the Gem on my fresh house shot. What would you suggest to get into once they break down? I’m thinking a pin down Zen is the ticket!😉

This is a great vid. Would like to see this with the Reality if possible.

I have a pin down zen and I definitely see where there’s more room to miss. Seems to hold midland really well when missing in, at least for me

Luis, you do some great videos on your channel. You have a bunch of videos where your equipment is drilled pin up or pin down. What about a drilling where the pin is level with the fingers? What kind of differences would you get out of that?

I'd love to see this taken one step further adding long and short pin layouts. (maybe 900G would help with some Reality Checks for that super comparison?) :)

Hi, yes please. I need your advice on something as much as this is a fascinating topic of bowling balls as a science for me as a beginner. I want my first custom bowling ball. I’ll probably get a storm I want something that is versatile and I can control it and I want to go straight. I’d like to eventually in time learn how to hook the ball which one would you recommend and why for future videos just like this for pin up and pin down how should my first bowling ball be? My favorite ones that you reviewed and I like are the phase II and the pitch black pinup and pin down video please

Love your videos! Could you do a dark code pin up and pin down?

I love this , my gem is pin up and my other balls are drilled with the ring finger hole being right into the pin mark, ( does that make it neither up nor down)? But when I get my Zen I’m thinking I may wanna go pin down. Your explanation and comparison video are super and they make it easier to comprehend.

This is super useful! I'd like to see these comparisons with some tape on the ball, to see how it rolls. Also, could you do this with asym solids? I'd love to see the differences of a pin up vs pin down Reality.

really good info, I did not think the pin down would look better from zone three but it did would have loved to see you go another zone are two to really push the limits so we could see the difference I think maybe the pin up would win another zone left but I don't know?

Great video! Pin down if I was through one-handed. I'm guessing for a two-hander that would be a short pin maybe. Still enjoyed watching and love your content. Great job

Just picked up a new PD zen ❤️❤️

I learned my pin down may help me when the transition takes place in the second game. . MAYBE MY DARK CODE is amazing in the first and third game but I lose tin the second game. Hope to try it

I really wish I watched this video before drilling my new HyRoad. I told the pro shop staff I wanted a smoother more predictable finish that would react a little bit further down lane and they ended up drilling it pin up a good 3 inches above my right ring finger...this ball now seems to react almost immediately as it hits the lane and seems very bad for my style.

I've never tried pin down but really like it here. Can you do a video like this with the blue coral venom?

Luis, would love to see you do this comparison between a Proton Physics pin up and pin down. I’m with you and like a smoother ball on the back, but I don’t want to lose the strength in the Proton Physics. Thanks in advance!

I’m just seeing this video now as I’m trying to get back into bowling and actually learn the technical/science side of the game. I’m 1000% a pin down bowler. I’m a high rev bowler and every strong ball lives in Brooklyn for me so anything I can do to make a ball a little weaker is a win for me lol

Great vid. Maybe the nova would be good to see

Thanks for the video! This helps a lot, as i've asked so many people about this and no one could answer this question. Most of my bowling balls are pin up and go long which is what i've been told. From your video though, i'm guessing that is incorrect??

As you stated, pin up vs pin down affects motion minimally. Change surface to get the reaction you want.

What is your PAP Luis? I'm guessing around 4 over, 1/2 up?...Consider a straighter up the back release for high track bowlers along with your normal lower track release to help ppl see a reaction difference with pin up vs pin down in future videos. Always good stuff 👍

I would love to see a comparison like this… Pin Down Asym vs Pin Down Sym Pin Up Asym vs Pin Up Sym For ball motion comparisons

I have an old cyclone fireball from ebonite that i use with pretty much the shot of your first shot at 3:08. It's pretty well dead so I'm looking to replace it. I'm thinking about getting a phaze II or a black widow 2.0 hybrid. would those work? I tend to like a smoother hook so should I go pin down?

I'd like to see a Helios comparison. I am waiting to get my Helios drilled and not sure what to go with. I'm looking for something a little more controllable when everything is over/under and that might work on a longer challenge pattern

Hello Luis. I'm 66 returning to bowling after 42 years. When I bowled a lot, I had a Dick Weber All Star drilled conventional. Having lived in Europe the last 40 years I had to give up bowling because of the dearth of alleys. I'm now retired and want to start up again. The technological advances are mind boggling! Thanks for the clear explanation of pin up / down drilling patters w/o being too technical. The lanes here (in Switzerland) are really dry (oiled once a week, if deemed necesary!), so I'm thinking of buying either a Storm Tropical Surge or a Brunswick Twister drilled pin down conventional. Any thoughts? Thanks again and keep on making videos.

Luis, My bowling coach taught me Pin Down is just above the THUMB - HOLE. There is a big advantage. The ball hooks the same but it holds the line as it rolls to the pocket, the ball will never over hook. Paul Klanecky

Cool video. Could you do the Nuclear Cell? Pin up vs pin down?

Luis, in one of your prior videos (6/24/21) titled "Why I hardly (hardly, hardly) ever drill a ball pin down", you did not like pin down because it lowered the differential and could not be adjusted with a weight/balance hole as they were no longer allowed as of 8/1/20. Just curious, weight/balance holes are still illegal, so what has changed your feelings in now liking pin down?

I'd personally like to see it with the Hammer Infamous, just because it's such a strong symmetrical. But I'm getting it drilled tomorrow, so I guess I'll find out before you ever get to it... ;-)

Yes, you should do that with different balls to see how it affects different balls but that’s a good idea

I think you should do a pin up pin down video with the Hammer Ghost, only because I use it for my go to bowling balls.

Thereafter a lot of talk about the idol helios and storm phase 4. I'd be interested in those two pin up and pin down. Like better ? I like whatever is striking the most lol

just got a RST X- 1, was thinking about doing pin down or a short pin layout since i have neither in my bags. so please do an asym.

I've never had a pin down ball, but I'm wondering if I'd like my Helios more if it was pin down... or at the very least, I'd get more use out of it if it was. If you do another video like this, could you do it with a solid ball on a lane that has had some play on it already. Thanks for your videos.

Look into getting a run cam with a 25 mm lens and set up to watch the lane. This camera is already zoomed in and will help with seeing the Ball down lane

So Luis, great video. Would having two of the same ball, one pin-up and one pin-down only be advantageous for the elite bowlers…say 220-230 average bowlers? I am a 200 average bowler and for me I am not consistent enough to justify buying two of the same ball. I’d rather have an entirely different ball to produce a different look. Now, I may drill another ball pin down for a certain lane condition. I have never drilled a pin down ball, so I am curious if I would notice any difference. May try it next time. Thanks Luis for another great vid. 👍

Do you think a rst x-2 would be a good replacement for my ufo alert? I need to replace it before jr gold

In one of your older videos, you say that you hardly ever use a pin down but now you say you like it more.

I still have a pin down Motiv Trident Abyss in my bag for when my pin up balls get just too hard to control on the friction. I'm more of a stroker style (tweener on dry patterns) with middling speed and revs though, and I notice that I really have to stay behind pin down layouts to carry corners. Any tips for corner carry on pin down layouts for us bowlers with softer throwing styles?

Love for you to show people same 2/3 numbers and change remaining. So VAL angle or pin buffer is done here. Now keep pin to pap and val same then change drill angle. Then finish with just changing pin to pap

What do I get to replace UFO alert and A-reality,? Got the wolverine and electrify figured out but having issue deciding... Thanks in advance bro

My two ball challenge league for summer is using the zen master and the burner solid. Pro made a suggestion of going pin up strong on zen master and going pin down strong on burner solid. What is your thought