I think it's the roof for me the reason that I hate the venue so much. Having a see-through roof would make it feel lively and not cold and miserable as you described
I thought it was very popular when it opened, so I'm a bit surprised. I heard the viewing was excellent and the atmosphere was good due to it being enclosed. I suppose it depends on who you barrack for. Most of the Melbourne's winter is shocking, so interesting that people would prefer to sit in the endless drizzle and fog.
So bizarre that they went for a solid concrete roof (or whatever it is?) and not a glass or opaque roof. Looks disastrous watching a game on tv and you know it's daytime in Melbourne, yet with a game played with artificial lighting!
@@mikespearwood3914 I assume its a metal type roof but maybe not. usually they try to make it as light as possible, even though it would be super heavy.
I must respectfully disagree, I went to an AFL match there back in March 2000, and I thought it was a masterpiece of a stadium, well planned, and right next door to Flinders St/Southern Cross train station.
The building of the stadium was rushed and was built last century not taking into account the new century, infact they were still putting the coaches boxes in on the same day the first ever game was played in 2000
Decent venue, but the walk back to southern cross station after any game with over 15,000 people in attendance is an absolute shambles. Concourses are far too narrow as well and makes it almost impossible to move around during the breaks
that's shocking design. a key part of stadium design is to make sure that there is enough distance so that people can leave the stadium and walk comfortably without being in a crush or endangering people on the platform. While Optus Stadium is close to the railway station, people are directed along a snaking pathway on the way to the station when there is a full house. This ensures that people leaving the stadium are spread out more.
Yep, agreed. the awkward angles where the stadium precinct meets the Bourke Street bridge don't help either. There was supposed to be another pedestrian bridge built from the stadium to the end of Lonsdale street as part of the Southern Cross station overhaul, but that was cancelled due to cost. That leaves us with 2 less than ideal ways to arrive for pedestrians.
Still to this date the best atmpshere ar any game of sport I've ever attended was St.kilda vs Geelong Round 12 2009 53000 people from memory and also produced one fo the best games of AFL in history. MCG tenant fans hate it but I think St.kilda fans appreciate it, even loved it throughout the succesful years and had a significant home advantage
I love Marvel Stadium and don't get why people don't like it. It's in a great spot with easy public transport, especially for V/Line travellers. The size is perfect for footy and T20 cricket because of the smaller boundaries. The roof is awesome because you don't have to worry about rain delays or match abandonments when going to watch BBL games. But, there are a couple of things I don't like. Sometimes they close most of the top level and squeeze all the General Admission people into one section, even if there are over 20,000 people. Also, the stadium can hold 50,000, but they often say a game is sold out and stop selling tickets, even when only 38-39,000 people show up. I don’t understand why they can’t sell the other 11,000 seats. I think it would be great to build a third AFL stadium in Melbourne. Having 10 teams share just 2 stadiums is so strange compared to every major sporting competition in the world. 3 would be better to spread the teams out more. I suggest moving North Melbourne and St Kilda to a new two-tiered, 35,000-seat stadium at Gosch's Paddock. This would improve the home game atmosphere for both teams. The same dimensions as Marvel Stadium would be perfect. It would also be a great new home for the Melbourne Stars, with shorter boundaries and fewer empty seats to enhance their home game experience.
I like that idea, but I don't think that will be happening, especially if AFL go down the path of reducing teams in the comp, Norf and Saints will likely be the 2 teams to go as they would want to make the comp more national. But if they did go down your path, have Saints and Norf at new stadium, move Hawks to Marvel and have Blues and Dons split their games between Mrvl and MCG depending if it's a big or small game.
Never understood the hate. I'm from Sydney but went to Melbourne for a bucks weekend around 10 years ago and watched all the footy live that weekend, including a few at Marvel (then Etihad) Stadium, and I thought the atmosphere under the roof was fantastic. I'm sure it's even better now after the reno. The issue with the roof open was I think mainly to do with the broadcast. Being recorded and broadcast in standard dynamic range (SDR), when the ball would enter an area of shadow the camera would have to be adjusted to let in less light or else you would barely see anything on the coverage. The reverse when the ball goes back into the harsh sunlight. Of course, this wouldn't be an issue if it was broadcast in high dynamic range (HDR) as some other sports across the world do. The Foxtel IQ4 & 5 boxes are even capable of receiving an HDR signal, we're just not using it.
The renovation did nothing to enhance the spectator viewing experience except for the new screens. It was mainly cosmetic in that regard. The main renovation was to things behind the scenes like food and bar stuff
Honestly, I like having Marvel there as a stadium for the smaller teams in the AFL and for cricket. It's actually an alright stadium plus I like the roof being closed. It means that games are not affected by weather.
Always thought it was a sub standard venue, just concrete and dead grass. Should have built up Ikon Park to be a 30k seat venue with no roof. Marvel rarely gets over 40k. Optus and Adelaide oval show its more than a venue to play but somewhere to watch
Demolishing would be an absolute joke. I'm not a Victorian but what a waste of money. Can you imagine SCG or Adelaide Oval saying that they have to replace the stands because they're 24 years old. It wouldn't happen. I can't see the WA State government completing rebuilding Optus Stadium in 18 years. In fact in 20 years they'll be extending the stands (which can be done as part of the design) to increase to 70k. The capacity is fine. It has a roof. Only negative is that it can't transform to a rectangular stadium or oval interchangeably. And that would be difficult to do, but would give the city a 50-55k indoor stadium for rectangular sports and oval sports.
@@PjRjHj AFL would be putting their money out for government funding. Probably make half the competition that aren't in Victoria pay for it out of reduced dividends which is a disgrace. You look at Optus Stadium and the AFL gave nothing and the feds basically nothing. Compare that with all the developments of MCG that occur for no good reason.
@@PjRjHj It will probably be a good idea to move further out of Melbourne if it gets replaced in 2050. Melbourne will be 8.5 million by then and with improved cross rail and other connections you need to bring the stadium to the people. So a Stadium south east is a no brainer.
@@BDub2024 It is in a central location, building in the outer suburbs is just repeating history, 8.5 million people isn't going to make Waverly 2.0(but in Casey this time) work
I have a Carlton home membership, so I spend equal time at Marvel and the G. Marvel isn't bad at all. As others have said, for the smaller games, I'd much rather the atmosphere at Marvel. And it's nice to be shielded from the Melbourne weather for half the season. Obviously nothing compares to 90k+ at the G, but nobody gets those crowds every week.
They should NEVER have pulled down Waverley (VFL Park). More people in the east than ever. John Cain destroyed Waverley stopping the line extension to protect The MCG. It's rubbish regarding the weather, it was the same anywhere in Melbourne in Winter. Now approximately 2 million people have to drive or train into the city to go to that sterile Docklands stadium. Waverley should have remained. Ps JohnCain was on the MCC board, he also bankrupted Victoria.
Might be an unpopular opinion but I actually love going to the footy there for a number of reasons. The enclosed space creates great noise. They can do some great effects with the lighting. It’s very easy to get in and out of. You feel a lot closer to the action on field. Food is far better than the MCG Melbournes weather is questionable at best and being indoors on a cold winters day makes it much easier to enjoy. Getting around the inside of the stadium is far easier than the MCG. Don’t get me wrong I love footy at the MCG it’s something very special, but aside from the atmosphere of a huge game like Anzac Day there I much prefer a game at Marval for its soft product.
I'm a Western Bulldogs fan and I love that it's our home ground and I think most Dogs fans think the same. But whenever MCG clubs visit, they whinge about it for some reason. Is it better than 80k at the G? No. Is it better than 40k at the G? 100%. Marvel serves its purpose well.
@@westsportTV I've always heard good things about it, though never been there. I heard the atmosphere is really good there and the viewing is great. The weather is so bad in Melbourne in winter you need a venue especially at night which people can watch without freezing.
I think they could do a serious upgrade to Ikon Park if they wanted to have a third major ground or a replacement for marvel. It is in quite a good location and there is room for expansion.
It's still a fantastic venue and a few small renovations and updates will come with time I would imagine. It is well loved by many and has a bright future ahead with the roof and it's unique features big positives for certain events. I thoroughly enjoyed seeing a couple of football games at the venue and enjoyed it's character with it's proximity to the CBD and public transport big pluses. 😎🇦🇺👍
The Showgrounds has a more complex ownership / management situation then most realise and while the AFL might look at it as a great site, the Royal Show in September is more important then anything the AFL could put on, and that means both want the same weekend.
Yes you could definatley replace the roof cladding to allow for transparent cladding which is a good idea. As for the location, im in 2 minds because i think the location is good for a central proximity to the CBD, next to Southern Cross and also provides a different use than just another residential tower or commercial office building which would replace it if it was removed. The architects designed the stadium to get you "closer" to the game (AFL anyway) and i question the approach of just demolishing these stadiums without considering upgrades and refurbishments because a new stadium, no matter how attractive a proponent makes it sound, or affordable, generally goes over budget!
I’m from Sydney, and I went to Marvel Stadium back in 2000 (it was called Docklands back then), to watch an AFL game, and it was a masterpiece of a stadium. Why would you want to demolish it?, what a monumental waste of money.
Docklands was originally conceived as a multi-sport venue, specifically to host sports such as soccer & rugby, with movable seating. It was later on that the AFL seized the opportunity to get involved & basically 'took over' the proposal, thereby freezing out the other codes. The Kennett govt gave them a sweetheart deal, and ultimately the Rectangular stadium was built to accommodate rugby & soccer.
@@mcauderyyeah the crowds were higher at Marvel because of better location but MRS/AAMI is definitely better for rectangle sports Always felt the deal was scrapped b3cause AFL took over ownership of Marvel a few years back so wouldn't get good leasing terms
Well last weekend we went to a engagement there in the champagne room and it was very nice .Well set up for corporate enevents there. Well done marvel stadium.
At optus stadium they very rarely bring the seats in for rectangular stadium. Its not that much about the damage the grass. Its just that its an extremely time consuming exercise I've heard for only 5k extra seats. Then in rugby and soccer you have the players boxes at the side of the pitch and structures that can block the view of the ground. So at Optus Stadium it was only used on one side even for rugby.
The sightlines for Optus Stadium's temporary seats is awful, and made effectively unsellable by the temporary electronic sideline boards that are used to border soccer or Rugby perimeter. They block the view of everything below their height which means next to no view of the soccer ball most of the time. It was a stupid idea in the first place.
@@PjRjHj Good idea. Only stupid if they keep putting it up for soccer matches. They can do one side for rugby, the other side you have all the boxes at the side of the pitch where the players sit. To be honest the players seem to enjoy the extra space for run throughs and some warm ups while the match is on. Whether you can look over the electronic sideline board depends on how tall you are I guess. All grounds have perimeter boards don't they. But the spectators in the front two rows can still see over the top. The thing is that the temporary seating just needs to be closer to the advertising. Easy to do if there is the desire to do it.
Seats were moved into rectangle setting frequently in the mid 2010s for Melbourne Victory home games and a couple Socceroos fixtures but since Victory moved all its home games to AAMI Park, the seats only come in now for the odd concert. It reduced capacity to 46k too.
that's weird that moving the seats in reduces capacity at docklands. I need to look up how they do it. At Optus Stadium they just bring in rows of seating and put it on top of hard plastic. Its really time consuming to do apparently, and the seating on the plastic is tiered I think. That's all possible because the spectator area at Optus Stadium is about 1.5 metres higher than the playing surface.
@@BDub2024 plastic? The Optus temporary seating is just numerous modular steel framed bleachers with a very shallow gradient. As for Docklands, capacity drops because (like stade de France) the 4 "corners" are fixed, they don't move in with the 4 moveable segments (2 wings, 2 ends). Thus the capacity drop
@@PjRjHj I thought I saw an overhead photo once and it had the seats on a plastic surface. Maybe that's just on the northern side. I saw the seating on the south east and west sides at the 2019 rugby on you tube and I thought it looked a pretty good structure. But for the effort it only adds at an absolute max 5k seating and usually you wouldn't do it on the north side anyway as that's where the coaches and players are. It was interesting that they went for two layers of advertising slogans, which is a bit unnecessary.
@@BDub2024 you loose the pockets and all level 1 standing. Half dozen or so sold out fixtures including 2010 AL Grand Final saw no more than 45k in the stadium compared to the previous sold out Grand Finals of 55k and 53k in Oval configuration.
There are currently plans for broader development of the surrounds of marvel stadium. They want to push out towards the water as close to the road there as they can, which is likely to cause some conflict with some of the nearby buildings like Victoria Point, the apartment tower right next to the stadium.
Firstly, as a Melbournian born and bred and going to the football since the early 90's, i think building the Docklands was a mistake. The stadium didn't cost all that much to build. The whole point of building it was to replace Waverley park which was a perfectly suitable ground out in the Sth Eastern suburbs. Yeh it was cold and no public transport, big deal? Ever been to docklands in the middle of winter? It's just as cold or colder than Waverley because of the wind that comes in from the docks/ water. The Sth Eastern suburbs has grown in population exponentially so keeping Waverley would have made sense at a capacity of 70,000. On another note, Docklands is a ghost town. I'm not sure why, but the area has never grown in popularity even though it is 5 minutes from the CBD. They thought it would be similar to Sydney harbour but it hasn't happened and businesses as well as building owners are fuming as they're losing money in the area. Even today it is relatively cheap to live there as it's just not popular. Why the narrator of this video says that the Docklands will be demolished doesn't make any sense. He has no evidence of this and i haven't heard anything of the sort. It would make far more sense to expand on what is already built rather than demolish it and start again given the location. Then you have the issue around the roof of the stadium. Total farce and an ongoing debate. That roof was and still is the main topic about every game played there. Firstly they had a rule a decade ago where if it didn't rain, the roof would remain open. But the problem was that with it open in the middle of winter, it could get as cold as 9 degrees inside (isn't that one of the reasons why they bulldozed Waverley? It was too cold right? 🤔) So then they came out with an even stupider idea that it was to remain closed for all games. Period. Has anyone been there in the summer? Its an oven. I remember a Geelong - North pre-season game played there in February years ago where it was 32 degrees outside and hotter inside. There's no breeze and was immensely uncomfortable for the spectators, let alone the players. That makes even less sense to close it every game regardless of the ambient temperature outside. And in September when the weather starts becoming nicer and the sun comes out, you guessed it - they shut the roof. 🙄 Overall it's not a bad stadium. Walking distance from Southern Cross station and close to the CBD but it just hasn't lived up to everyone's expectations and to bulldoz Weverley Park was IMHO a huge mistake.
You complained about the roof not being translucent but also complained about shadows caused by the sun with the roof open. All stadiums have this issue but Marvel can climate it. No big deal. I honestly haven't heard big complaints especially since docklands has been redically developed since. Also, any stadiums half empty will lack atmosphere. The roof allows the sound to travel throughout which is alao a good thing
I was at Marvel when it was Etihad to see the Majak Daw mark of the year. I went an MCG game the next day and I’m that one person who appreciates the comfort of the roof on over a cold cramped MCG. The problem with the atmosphere is the bad teams not the bad stadium
Time to build/renovate boutique stadiums for all clubs. Clubs already have training grounds that are fit for purpose and crowd sizes can be controlled with ticket prices. There has to be genuine home ground advantage for each club without the bias of some clubs getting maximum exposure to the MCG. I would also look towards removing the strangle hold the MCG has on finals, they are a cricket ground that is reliant on football, time to make them acknowledge that. If Covid proved anything, it is that other grounds are capable of hosting grand finals. For people to complain that MCG ensures a large crowd, the fact that each participating club is only allocated 15K tickets each to members suggests that it isn’t geared at the loyal fan but rather the corporate interests, so any of the boutique clubs could facilitate 15K per club within their stadiums, membership packages that guarantee attendance and perhaps even look toward a best of 3 scenario with the higher finishing club rewarded with hosting 2 games or game 1 at a ground pre determined at the start of the season and the higher placed given the option to host game 2 or 3. Sooner this and the fixture being normalized without the stupid thematic rounds that ruin the fairness of the competition the better for the game to be recognized as the best sport in the world.
Surely in the future you could alter the angle by 45 degrees at least. That would help to eliminate sunlight issues. Otherwise you just schedule the matches more intelligently.
The Docklands Stadium is a good venue for sport and concerts BUT they need to urgently fix the foot traffic flow and capacity to move people. After a big event in that place it is a nightmare to get out in the crowd and back around to the train station. Imagine if there was a major fire! Having said that it is a great place to watch a game, you can get a great view event in a general admission seat. I love the MCG but it is not a comfortable and the view if frequently not as good as you get at Docklands. As for the suggestion that it will need to be rebuilt in another 20 years?! WTAF!? That concrete beast will be fine for another 50 years ore more, there will be some major refurbishments along the way and maybe the roof gets a refit, but the idea that a stadium has such a short life is naive.
The issue is that it’s concrete everywhere. Southern Cross station is concrete, soulless. The roof makes Marvel feel the same. As a stadium it’s a decent atmosphere and good enough viewing but it’s badly built and thought through
It’s only really supporters from the soft inner east clubs like Richmond, Hawthorn and Melbourne that hate going there. They don’t like venturing west of the CBD and/or north of the Yarra…
great location, well integrated with the urban environment, but the roof just kills it. even in a tight game with a big crowd it's difficult to get a good atmosphere. it would be a waste of money to knock it down in the near future, but if they do i hope they replace it with a smaller (30-35k), open air stadium.
Another AFL stuff up just like Waverley park if they want another stadium Let the AFL pay for it, the government should not give 1 cent to a new stadium.
I'm not a fan, even though my team the Western Bulldogs play there a lot. It just doesn't have any soul, and the sub-standard pedestrian access really sucks. It's so close to Southern Cross station and Spencer street, but there are no direct, wide routes to get there.
Don"t get the hate on Marvel, yeah sure natural light is great on a sunny day but when its raining having the roof is an asset. Demolishing the stadium in 2045 would mean its only had about a 50 year life which is crazy, was that always the plan...
AFL won't sell the stadium. Most likely gut it and redesign for apartments and entertainment. The can make a lot more $$$ when you have a major venue that can stay open 24/7. Build a new stadium in the process relocating some of the footy and cricket if need be. Then the afl will be able to recoupe the costs with more income streams.
I think the stadium was 'of its time' when constructed. Even with the reno and new LED screens, its still pales in comparison to the newer NFL stadiums. Optus stadium imo is the next best after the G.
As a Essendon member I hate it. Being a tall guy the seats are crammed in with limited leg room. The wind tunnel effect from Gate 5 is terrible. Also the noise of staff stacking the portable fencing at Gate 5 entrance during the game is a shocker. I hate the place.
When they closed down Waverly Park they left the eastern suburbs without a stadium. It left a big hole. The west doesn't have a stadium either. They don't have to build so close to the city.
i find the seats on level 2 are to tight - very poor leg room. roof doesnt retract back far enough either which adds to the issues when not in use. if you dont come by train its a nightmare. realistically it should have only been a 40,000 seat stadium tops given the facilities. when it opened it was hard as hell to get in because there wasnt enough gates - they worked on this assumption that people would come early to dine and drink - doesnt happen, AFL crowds roll in 20mins before the game starts. when we use to have curtain raiser games there was heaps less crowd congestion issues. i still believe the AFL needs a 3rd metro stadium with 30K capacity, especially with the rise of AFLW.
AFL have historically spent as little money as possible. There’s no chance they’re knocking it down to then rebuild using their own funds 😂 They’ll always take as much government money as they can get.
I think MCG will get that translucent roof (and for cricket, the roof will buoyant so cricket balls won’t damage it, and I think it’s high enough for even the most crazed batsman not to hit the roof. I think or something like Las Vegas stadium. I don’t think marvel will get any work soon.
AFL teams that have used the MCG don't want to get shifted to Marvell. This is why fans of clubs like Melbourne don't go to the ground. Just put another roof on it and it should be good until the end of the century.
FYI Optus Stadium was built in particular with cricket and football in mind. The lines of sight and comfort for cricket and football fans are magnificent. Regularly voted the best cricket stadium in Australia. So it is no surprise that it regularly is vote number one as a cricket stadium in Australia. So it is possible to have a cricket stadium also be an outstanding footy stadium. Its just that Gabba MCG SCG or Adelaide haven't managed it yet in either of the codes.
@@albertmiller2electricbooga897 Most stadiums at 60k will be like that. Try sitting at the WACA on a 40 degree day. Most tests are usually over 35 for each day.
@@albertmiller2electricbooga897 The stadium half catches the seabreeze in some parts (due to a few large openings). But ideally the south west side needs to be opened up more. Most summer afternoons you'll have a howling seabreeze, you just need to catch it better on the lower terraces.
I know the Carlton v Brisbane game in 2019 had the roof open. You'll be able to find highlights online because it was a huge comeback by the Blues. I think Cripps had 38 and kicked 4 that day.
People in Victoria need to question the massive waste of money by Victorian govt and Federal govt too, as the AFL always goes to the Feds whinging too. The likes of Eddie Everywhere wants half of the MCG rebuilt. Also talks about Marvel being replaced with another stadium closer to MCG. He wanted large walkways and piazzas outside the stadium etc. Not surprisingly its not his money. In fact no doubt some key players in Victoria will benefit largely from rebuilding stadiums. No doubt the building industry. Its completely unnecessary. In the long term clubs will eventually fold in Victoria, as the power clubs continue to ramp up pressure on the AFL to remove various equalisation measures.
And one day they will demolish it and everyone will cry"how good was docklands", usual story. No one was going to waverly when they scrapped it now people lament how good it was lol.
The only good thing about Waverley was its location made it easily accessible for those in Melbourne's southeast (Casey, Dandenong, Frankston, Pakenham) and the Gippsland region. Other than that? A shithole.
I don't understand the hatred for docklands either. Its a generic multipurpose stadium from the 00's.. Taking into account of how historically bad multipurpose stadiums have been and the 00's being an ordinary decade for stadiums.. docklands could have been a lot worst. It's not great, or terrible. Just a serviceable stadium nothing less nothing more.
Some pretty silly arguments here. Ok so yes natural light would be great, and maybe a translucent roof would be doable. But really, there are so many night games now, what light are you missing? And the atmosphere thing is interesting. Ive been to plenty of Essendon games there and the atmosphere is generally good. Its no MCG but it doesnt have a 100k capacity either. Maybe North and Dogs fans should realise their little teams are never gonna generate great game atmosphere anywhere! Boohoo. And to suggest it’ll be demolished…thats just mental. There is NO better location near the CBD. You’re living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that is an idea worth pursuing.
I much prefer watching footy at Marvel. If you are in the top layer at the MCG you are better off staying at home, the players look like ants. There really isn't a bad seat in the house at Marvel. It's so close to Southern Cross station. I'd much rather watch a footy match under a roof than out in the elements at the MCG. Marvel rules! Unless the MCG is at capacity it is a horrible cavern when it is only half full.
It’s the roof. The viewing isn’t that bad but when the roof is closed but it’s dark and not that embracing. The planning for the stadium missed a beat. It should’ve had a capacity of at least 60K with a translucent roof, but not fixed. Given the number of teams in Melbourne and the reality of low attendance games with some interstate teams, there needs to be a third Melbourne stadium with a capacity of about 30K. Redevelop the Junction Oval? The AFL tried using Princes Park in this role but it failed because it was, is, the home of Carlton. Then they demolished most of the stands. A third, smaller, stadium is needed. Junction Oval. 25-30K capacity. Neutral territory for Melbourne clubs, ie, nobodies training base, a new base for Cricket Victoria for Shield Cricket, etc, and put a translucent roof, in part or full on Marvel. Marvel isn’t going to be demolished anytime soon, the AFL has too much invested and they own it unlike the MCG, but it does need more light when the roof is closed. Then wait until about 2040-2050 a get it right.
As you said the Junction is CA's HQ, also plenty of shield games clash with footy in march so it'll never happen. Junction is probably the best sporting venue in Melbourne but it's precisely because it isn't a footy ground ie grassy hills, small stands and open space
@@eponymous7910 The Junction Oval was established in 1856. The St Kilda FC started playing footy there in 1870. It’s part of their heritage. South Melbourne & Fitzroy also used it as a home ground. I know. I was there. It is both a cricket ground and footy ground. I don’t disagree with keeping the character of the place but it could be improved. You don’t think that Victorian Cricket wouldn’t accept further investment in the venue by the AFL & Government if it was done right? But you’re missing my point (hence the “?”). The AFL needs a smaller capacity venue in Melbourne. Who wants to go to Marvel to watch North v Gold Coast with 10-15K watching in a 50K stadium? Whether it’s the Junction Oval or somewhere else I really don’t care so long as it’s accessible by public transport and not another Waverley debacle and provides a better spectator experience.
The location is just shit. No point having it next to a train station if PTV/Metro are too hopeless to put enough trains on at the right times. MCG 100% of the time for me.
It's a horrible soulless place where grass goes to die. The staff are rude, the (lack of?) atmosphere is akin to a cheap nightclub and the whole thing serves as an enormous physical barrier between the cbd and docklands. Better to demolish it now and find a brand new site/tart up Princes Park. You couldn't pay me to go to docklands stadium
@@tangiers365 But in the future if they decide to rebuild it, they could try to make east west. But if they can't, then at least do it north east / south west. Also, look at how to better schedule match times, if no roof.
Interestingly in Perth 7 out of the 9 WAFL grounds were east west. Only Subiaco and Bassendean were east west. Fortunately Optus Stadium is east west. But its very glarey at the eastern end behind the goals and difficult to sit there during cricket.
Redevelop Whitten Oval, Arden Street, Moorabbin, Princes Park and Victoria Park and get footy back to the suburbs! Melbourne based teams could host interstate clubs at their "home" grounds, then the big clubs play each other at the MCG.
The only good thing about Waverley was its location made it easily accessible for those in Melbourne's southeast (Casey, Dandenong, Frankston, Pakenham) and the Gippsland region. Other than that? A shithole.
@@TimmyTickle I am from the northern suburbs and I had to catch 2 trains and a bus to get to Waverley and I would rather still have to do that than go to Docklands. It could be a sunny day and yet the roof is closed. They talked about Waverley being a cold place, Docklands is just as cold and soulless for all of its modern facilities. I started going to the footy without my parents in 1987 and I went to more Waverley games in 12 years than I have gone to Docklands in 24 years.
