@@JLL_29 because their is nothing else to say. as a jumper main I enjoy that I am able to do infinite damage and with two stickies I can increase the respawn timer by x2
If you were to fire the stickybombs with the haste powerup, you could switch to the strength powerup and detonate when more stickybombs can deal max damage
The reason the caber is so Finicky is because the explosion is centered on the demoman himself and not the target. Also I think the caber will do more if the Heavies were also crouching due to how explosive radius dmg is calculated
@@demi-femme4821 Yeah, how explosions work in tf2 is that they create a line from the point of impact to the center of the player's model. With the caber they made it where the explosion spawns at Demo's feet (directly at the center, probably so that it makes it a perfect half sphere from the ground centered on demo) so that means the detection line has to go farther than it should.
So does the cabers explosion mostly do 75% of its damage due to fall off? That would explain why it can only rarely one shot light classes. If thats the case, then simply raising the explosion damage to 80, and minimum fall-off to 90% would solve the issue
one thought: I thought the stickies only did as little damage as that because the game only detonates the number of sticks that is required to kill the target, in this case being 1
Sorry to bother, but I got a question. Can't you increase the heavies' HP to see written out how much damage it actually does? If it were something like a backstab or the half zatoichi, which does damage based on HP, then yeah, but if it's just damage independent from HP, it sounds easier to increase their hp.
To me, Demo is technically the most powerful merc gameplay wise able to deal a flat 100 to every class in one shot with his base primary without any boosts, only comparing to sniper with 150 with a full charge bodyshot and 450 crit headshot with the regular rifle. One sticky can instakill scout sniper spy and engie which is huge, and he is able to buff his defense with shields and peglegs if he chooses to. He can also fly through the air easier than soldier can as well as pyro to an extant, making this tower of power a flying carpet bomber with insane mobility. He also doesn't require a direct line of sight to kill people or destroy nests, no other class can do that except for engineer's sentries and pyro's flares. Technically he could kill people across the map as well not just with traps, but with crossmap noob-tube style sticky or pill launches. On top of all of this, he has created multiple playstyles to work with, demoknight, demopan, stickytanks, hybridknights, sniper terrorisers, and even the elusive weebknight. Not only is he the most powerful merc potentially, he also has some of the funniest dialog and absolutely the funniest taunts. Monoculous was created from his own eye showing how important he is to the series, and finally, I believe he has the most endearing and tragic backstory for any merc with the whole abandoned at an orphanage to then be adopted back to his parents, working 3 jobs for his depreciative and very cruel family which led to his drinking problems, turning his entire body into a brewery and losing his best friend over a haunted sword just to name a few. You can have any opinion you want but to me Demo is the best.
I think he's still weaker than scout, but not by much. Scout has extremely high damage which is a lot easier to utilize than demo. Scout also has really good mobility that doesn't cost health to use.
@@airhead7379 Scout is good at taking down unaware enemies and flanking, but becomes less and less useful the more fortified the position he is up against and can be basically useless against a sentry nest. Demo on the other hand has a lot more firepower that is very effective against fortified positions and is powerful in basically any other situation. Of course a Scout could quickly take down an unaware Demoman who is not with his team, but with how quickly a Demo could take down a Scout means that things could quickly go south for the Scout if he doesn’t take the Demo down quickly
@@airhead7379 alot easier to do damage as Scout? Its pretty hard to do max damage and ramp up when your double jumping around the enemy y'know, I once did 40 damage as Scout point blank bro!
Demoman is interesting because while he's beat out by the soldier, all of his weapons are above average for weapons in the same slot (aside from his taunt kill). Really I'd argue that his the most powerful class because of that, with soldier maybe beating him out if you restrict them to just primary.
@@VagueCastle649 and he can use that second primary for many things such as mobility via demoknight trimping mobility via sticky launcher trap certain areas be a god send in MVM
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What if the heavies ctapped on top of your head as you hit them with the caber? It would definitely increase the damage dealt by the caber since they're closer to the explosion. And if you know how ctapping works in rocket jumping, you'd know that this would show a more accurate "what if" scenario. This is probably near impossible to pull of even in a sterile testing environment but nice food for thought.
You can probably get a few more stickies to have full rampup on the Quickiebomb and the Scottish Res by using the spawn cabinet to fully load your clip instantly
One way to test the damage more accurately in game would probably be to make each Heavy’s max health something like 100,000 so that they don’t die before receiving max damage. Also even without max damage, the Scottish Resistance is my favorite weapon for being able to detonate multiple Heavy-Med combo dropping sticky traps in rapid succession
Meet the Scout Released January 9, 2009 Run time 1:35 We begin with Faster Than a Speeding Bullet playing in the background, with a Garage door opening revealing RED Scout and his teammates about to ambush the BLU Team. Preparing for the battle, as the camera moves from right to left, Scout studies the scenario, on where their opponents are. He then reloads his Scattergun as his teammates charge in. He then joins the charge, dodging several bullets. After using his firearms, we then skip to a cut to where Scout rushes into a building on a railroad, with a BLU Soldier and Pyro tailing him. Just as he jumped to cross the said railroad, a Train quickly barges in and hits both BLU enemies. After which, it cuts to the familiar 'Meet the (Class here)' Intro, and then RED Scout respectively, shows up to assess the "interview". He describes how dangerous he is, as he opposes a Heavy for his Sandvich. At the end, he ends up killing the Heavy with his steel bat, winning the battle and eventually eating the Sandvich. It then cuts to the usual Team Fortress group photo, in which it zooms from the specific Mercenary's face.
I feel like you could've used the Giant addcon effect and heath boosted the giant bots to get a better max display in game, Because I know it increases your max hp, and if it only shows the max health of the class you kill.. If they were a Giant this wouldn't be as much of a problem
I hear aiming at the targets feet increases the cabers damage i think i don't rightly know just some stuff i heard but the caber is kinda weird so yeah
The reason the sticky jumper deals damage is because it's a reskin of the stock sticky launcher. The game just takes whatever damage the stock sticky does and multiplies it by 0. The most likely reason is that if Valve were ever to change the knockback of the stock launcher, they wouldn't need to change the sticky jumper because the jumper would just inherit the properties of stock.
Suggestion for the heavy max damage. Show how much damage a full 12 seconds of sustained fire looks like for the miniguns (14.2 seconds for the tomislav) If you do end up doing a recap video, go back to all the attacks that consisted of multiple hits and perform them again but with players that have increased max health. Should make using the scoreboard a little easier.
Its more efficient with the scottish resistance to fire 6 bombs and reload with 2 left to get as much ramp up bombs as possible (since it has a faster fire rate)
Just wondering could the Half-Zatiochi's property(anyone else using it takes damage equall to triple there health if they are hit by it) count to the taunt kill as well?
It unfortunately does not! I actually have footage of me testing it for this video but forgot to show it anywhere because it functions the same as it normally does, just dealing 500 damage.
The half zatoichi could deal more damage in MVM fighting a giant robot using that weapon. On wave 666 I believe it can do 7500 damage? I don't remember the exact health of the bots.
Honestly I just thought it was only dealing 400 damage because of the way stickies work (detonating 8 stickies to kill 1 person discards some or something like that, I don't remember)
You're thinking of the way sticky's work when in range of the Demo who placed them. If the Demo is within range, the sticky's will calculate how many would be needed to kill him, and detonates that many while the rest fizzle out. Since the Demo is ubercharged, the sticky's cannot kill him and will all detonate as normal.
Could you theoretically do the Manntreads glitch with just Pyros by having all the Pyros in the stack boost with the Thermal Thruster and land on each other in a stack all at the same time with frame-perfect timing?
Have you considered trying to hit your target with multiple pipe/loose/primary bombs? This can be achieved if you fire one in a very long trajectory (by firing mostly upwards), then timing a second one in a faster trajectory so that they hit at the same time.
It might be possible to get even higher with the Scottish resistance if you fire 6 bombs, reload, and then spam the other 8 fast and det as soon as you can
It's been a while so I forget how it works exactly but could you instead of taking time to reload the sticky launchers, instead pick up a dropped sticky launcher. Not sure the extra seconds saved would help at all.
Regarding the full detonation damage being low, did Lazypurple not mention that being in explosion range causes the stickies to first determine how many are needed to kill you, detonate those and remove the rest?
What the, I never knew that you have to be close to the stickies to ramp-up their damage. Who the actually hell made the stickies in the game to give it such a stupid mechanic? Did they just copypaste the rockets' ramp-up?
with the stickies, i feel the multiplication math is very dependent of which powerup/crits take priority. the order of decimals and numbers might be different depending on if the mini-crits, the crits, the warrior spirit vulnerability, or powerup take priority first or last when calculating damage in game
All classes minimum damage is 0 About maximum its either taunt kill Or 14crit stickys and a roller and direct hit at the same time but you have to time it perfectly
Hi Jim i have a question, since many types of damage maximized require specific 1 in a lifetime scenarios, i would like to ask why mvm upgrades couldn't be included for research purposes and how much would the numbers change if MvM upgrades were included
A quick note on demoman sticky physics the game calculates how much damage the sticky does by how much damage from each sticky is needed to kill the nearest player and nearest player is not necessarily at the highest of the priority list, because if the player is near the radius of detonating stickies the player will gain priority and then the game will calculate how much damage from your stickies is needed to kill you, so even though all the stickies register hit the game registers how much max damage each sticky can do to you and eliminates the stickies it doesn't need to kill you
The Loose Cannon and it's double donk is a bit weird. The cannonball impact has no close range rampup but still long distance falloff. The cannonball explosion has no rampup or falloff, just like other grenades, and has the same base dmg of 60 as all other grenades that explode without a direct hit, after in the air for too long or after hitting a surface. If the explosion hits an enemy who was just impacted by that same cannonball up to .5 seconds ago, the explosion will both minicrit and have no explosion radius falloff to the recent impact victim. This makes the Loose Cannon the only explosion radius weapon in the game to not suffer from explosion radius falloff, save the soldiers grenade taunt. However, this does not work with crits, or minicrits, the game doesnt think you double donked someone if its already a crit or minicrit. Therefore even if its a perfect double donk, the crit/minicrit explosion WILL suffer from normal explosion radius falloff after impacting someone. And the crit/minicrit impact damage falls off over distance, like the ambassador, and unlike all other weapon's crits. The damage falloff of the cannonball impact is somehow different from all other weapons. The range at which the minimum dmg (25, half of base 50) occurs, so maximum falloff, is a bit longer than all other weapon's max falloff range. Found this when testing on tr_walkway_rc2. All other weapon's dmg at max falloff is actually a bit more than 50%, wiki says 52.8%. This explains rockets at max falloff doing more than half base dmg. The loose cannon is the only weapon that falls off to 50%. The cannonball has a hidden unlisted attribute - projectiles penetrate enemy players. shooting someone who is low enough to die to the 25-50 dmg impact, the cannonball gibs the player, and keeps going as if he wasnt there. However, if the impact victim survives the cannonball impact, it bounces off at a weird angle, and before it touches a surface, it can impact another player. The subsequent explosion will then double donk all impact victims. So you can double donk multiple people if they stand close together. But if theres two people standing near each other, and the demoman impacts and double donks one guy, the explosion will minicrit and have no radius falloff on the guy it impacted, but that same explosion will deal normal dmg with normal radius falloff to the other guy who wasnt impacted. So the same explosion can have radius falloff and not have it at the same time, on different targets. So, the double donk explosion always does 81 damage, a minicrit roller with no radius falloff essentially, combined with the impact dmg of 25-50 to 106-131 dmg. Covered in other videos is that the cannonballs are a different projectile with different physics that suffer from more air resistance when flying. All projectiles in the game except rockets, arrows(includes crossbow and rescue ranger), and energy blasts from pomson, bison, short circuit, start slowing down to air resistance the instant they're fired. After they nerfed its projectile speed and added range falloff its a pretty weak weapon with a short range. It has the shortest range, and by far less dmg of any gl, unless every shot at maximum rof is a double donk. Even then its barely more than any other gl. It can knock the enemy away which can be undesirable when trying to kill them. Seems like its purpose is to allow the demo to apply controlled and reliable roller splash dmg. Since roller dmg (60) is less than rockets (90), direct pills (100), stickies (120), with the cannonball impact being even weaker, this weapon is never used in comp now like the scottish resistance RIP Loose Cannon 2012-2015 i miss it from that time, even tho i never used it throughout that time
The Loch n load actually does have rolling grenades, sorta. If the grenade explodes in midair due to its fuse running out, the explosion has the same base dmg (60) as all demoman primaries after their fuse runs out, whether midair or after touching the world. The stock and iron bomber's projectiles turn from 100 to 60 base dmg upon hitting a surface. Since non-direct hit pipes are pure splash dmg, just like stickies, thus never do full dmg, out of 60 its like 58 max dmg and half the base dmg at 30 at minimum So all grenades that explode on their own including the Loch do 30-58 dmg with no rampup or falloff
Actually, I think that the Spy would come in 2nd place using the stock sapper. The sapper deals 25 damage per second while on an enemy building, and the rescue ranger can repair buildings but doesn't remove sappers. Therefore, against a building that was being constantly repaired by an engineer using the Rescue Ranger, the sapper could deal constant damage until the server crashes - about 6 months according to Shounic, giving the sapper a maximum damage of ~388,800,000 (6*30*24*60*60*25)
That's just a mini-crit and mini-crits don't stack. So in that scenario it wouldn't really make a difference as long as both the cannonball and explosion hit.
I think the damage of stickies are not 144 because how explosions are calculated, I think they're calculating the distance to the middle of character model so there will always be some small distance between character and sticky so damage falloff applies
Hello, [After Breakfast]! I have a small recommendation for a video: You read comments about fanmade weapon ideas (both comments on youtube and if you have it, twitter) Ill go first as an example: The Nitroglycerin Light Pyro Primary Design: a lantern with some sci-fi attachments on it. +Infinite ammo +25% more damage to burning players that are being healed by a medic +Alt fire: fire out a small blast of flames that deals double damage -No airblast -Using alt fire leaves your primary unusable for 10 seconds
Stumbled across your Hi/Low damage series... and I may have an explanation why you're getting odd calculations: Fixed point math. I'll pose a question. To a computer, what is faster: floating point math, or integer math? The answer is integer math. Floating point is complex and requires different processing and tracking... and that's slow. Even with a coprocessor that handles this, it's still slow in comparison. So how can we get the speed of integer math but some of the benefits of floating point math? Simple. We make everything shifted over a few decimal places. Fixed point math. You lose precision but you gain speed. So what's with the splash damage doing 1 when it should be doing 2? Fixed point rounding errors. I bet when you cut off all but the first two decimal places, you'll start getting rounding errors... and the "math" lines up.
I wonder if the thermal thruster has enough bonus knockback to where sticky jumper can cause fall damage chances are it does not affect knockback at all, but it's worth a shot
6:20 It's very easy to beat this value of 4995. Just go to MVM Mannhattan, and get a crit with the Half Zat on one of the Samurai Demomen there. You'll hit them for their 650 max health tripled then tripled again for 5850. If you're playing Metro Malice wave 1 that has a part with 2 giant soldiers with 3 Uber medics each while 3 samurai Demomen attack you. If you separated one of these Uber medics, via airblast, then killed everyone else in its squad while it was separated, it might heal one of the Samurai Demomen, in which case it could get it to 975 via overheal, which can get to 8775 damage from the Half Zat.
Hey Squid, I have no idea if this is known or not but I thought I'd post it here to give it a try. I was messing around with Soldier in thirdperson and got the idle animation glitch from the Scout video on Soldier. I looked over the wiki and youtube and didn't see anything about it. If anyone knows about this, please tell me. btw, if you're looking to recreate this you can equip the rocket jumper and mantreads like I had and repeat the same steps as the winger. To see it in thirdperson enable cheats by typing sv_cheats 1 into the console and typing in thirdperson. Again, I'd love it if anyone could shed some light on it Edit; I tried some more classes to see if they worked, and I think it has to do with weapons that change your jump. I got it to work with The Force-of-Nature, Stickies, Scorch Shot/Detonator, Rocket Jumping while you wrangle a lvl 3 sentry as engie. I couldn't get it with the Atomizer, for some reason. Again, this could all be known info but I found it interesting. And would be willing to learn more about this dumb spaghetti code we all love
lowest: prob the shield bash, the tide turner charge at point blank, most: a kritzkrieg full scottish res sticky deonation my guess also why on earth does the splendid screen do more damage than a wooden splinter infested (it's broken on one bit, both targe and tide) and even with a metal spike, edit: you should've counted all stickies deployed edit to edit: nvm
if a fully overhealed 4 head demo (235 max) picks up a knockout powerup and then picks up a half zat wont that do more damage edit: no, eyelander/halfzat demos only get 20 bonus hp from knockout
It took 18 videos but I just now realized why that face seemed similar to something, it’s Naked or Venom Snake, from my 4th favorite game series, I am very disappointed in myself
You forgot that you can line up ammo packs/sentry gibs with the persian persuader in order to chain that charge and multihit. It’s technically a single charge, and hitting multiple segmented times should count, since the mantread chain and stuff like loose cannon impact+explosion counted.
That max should be how much the Caber does by default. It'd still be one of his worst melees. It's still baffling they nerfed it the second time, and even the first was way too much.
Couldn't you technically add mvm upgrades on top of the manpower powerups to get theoretically higher dmg? Or do you want more of a sense of what could realistically could happen
If the scoreboard only calculates the health of the heavies killed rather than the actual damage done, wouldn’t we be able to get a more accurate damage reading if we simply increased their health to an incredibly large number? It wouldn’t be as satisfying to look at since there isn’t an explosion of gore accompanying our result, but I would love it if these readings were more accurate!
