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@cooldude1547
@cooldude1547 3 года назад
I'm more confused now than at the end of the film
@louxa385
@louxa385 3 года назад
yeh the philosophy is harder but what the film basically say is that idealism is real and that ideas and perspectives are transmissible and interchangeable from person to person - free flowing ideas
@MichiganJFrog.
@MichiganJFrog. 2 года назад
I'd suggest you look into philosophy and metaphysics. Once you go down the rabbit hole there's so much interesting stuff to dig through
@elisegrimet2343
@elisegrimet2343 6 лет назад
The way you consistently manage to explain complex ideas in a few minutes without dumbing them down or misrepresenting them is impressive. Your videos have become my most eagerly awaited notifications :)
@marcpelletier1366
@marcpelletier1366 5 лет назад
The universe is not an illusion. Your experience of it, is.
@louxa385
@louxa385 3 года назад
depends if you believe in solipsism or not
@jarrahfitzgerald2752
@jarrahfitzgerald2752 6 лет назад
Been a long time since I saw this film, but it also begs the question of where Malkovich resides during the time Craig is in control. I've always found the idea of there being no real objective test to prove to yourself that others exist a fascinating one.
@CorbCorbin
@CorbCorbin 6 лет назад
Jarrah FitzGerald He is most likely, pushed aside, and becomes "the Passenger", within the vessel that is Malkovich the body, and then perhaps the child, when it is born. He could one day gain control again, unless he has become a quark(or some other form) that no longer experiences reality as we think of it, or as the movie presents it.
@goodleshoes
@goodleshoes 5 лет назад
"If the physical brain and the mind (consciousness) were actually separate, our mental powers would not be compromised." -Referring to brain damage. Not necessarily. Donald Hoffman has proposed that consciousness and the physical brain/body is similar to the relationship between a cellphone and the signal coming from the source. Here the consciousness is the signal being sent to the phone or physical mind/body. If the cellphone is damaged, the signal will not properly be received (i.e. physical brain damage). It doesn't mean anything is wrong with the consciousness itself (the signal) it's just that the physical object that receives the signal is not fully functioning. Just something to consider.
@ankursalunke8528
@ankursalunke8528 5 лет назад
Yeah this is great.
@katherinemorelle7115
@katherinemorelle7115 5 лет назад
But is it really consciousness if we can’t experience it though? Is a damaged brain, leading to a faulty signal anything more than just a new form of consciousness. It’s different, but it’s still consciousness. And there’s neuroplasticity to consider too. Our brain can rewire pathways. So a consciousness that was changed due to damage, can then slowly become closer to what it was before. And I also think of how language can affect our modes of thinking- because language is merely wiring the brain. And, there the use it or lose it idea- because while we make the most new pathways up to the age of 14 or so, after that, we start losing what we don’t use. It’s why learning language is easier as a child- and some theorise that beyond a certain point, it is impossible to actually learn language. So, how would my consciousness differ had I learned an extra language as a child? These are all very interesting questions- the edges of neuroscience and philosophy are fascinating.
@a.p.2356
@a.p.2356 4 года назад
If that were true, wouldn't any degree of brain damage which interfered with the "signal" result in the victim becoming aware of the disconnect between their physical brain and their non-physical mind? If their mind itself was unharmed, wouldn't it be obvious that something was getting lost in transmission? That doesn't seem to be the case in people who suffer from amnesia, confusion, emotional disturbances, or any of a number of common symptoms of brain damage; they often don't know that anything specific is wrong. A shaky connection on a cell phone is immediately apparent to both ends of the conversation, so wouldn't the same hold true is that is how consciousness worked? Also, that theory doesn't explain how some people's personalities are wildly altered following a traumatic brain injury, or why damage to specific parts of the brain seem to cause specific changes to personality. And what about people with developmental disabilities? Genetic disorders like Down's syndrome are inherently physical, so does that people with Down's syndrome have neurotypical minds independent of their physical brains? Or does genetics effect the metaphysical mind as well as the physical body? If not, what determines the properties of the mind?
@gregoryadams9025
@gregoryadams9025 4 года назад
You would still have to prove there is a signal though for this to be taken seriously. All neurological evidence shows the brain does create thoughts and imagery itself.
@marcodigrado7682
@marcodigrado7682 4 года назад
The issue I see with this point of view is that an interruption in the signal from a cell tower to a cell phone only chops up the broadcasts information. However, with physical brain damage - the signal itsself changes as a result of the damage. For example, as the brain disintegrates from alzheimers a person's behavior changes with it as if there is signal eminating from the brain itsself.
@shingnosis
@shingnosis 3 года назад
The quote at 5:12 is possibly one of the greatest quotes of all time, but not all people will understand it or see why it's so great. But it slashes the Gordian knot of existence beautifully in half.
@louxa385
@louxa385 3 года назад
I also think the monkey in the cage symbolises the suppression of animalistic thinking or self control
@alisaperez3716
@alisaperez3716 9 месяцев назад
This kind blew my mind
@atmosphericentry0
@atmosphericentry0 2 года назад
Just saw this movie and the first office scene had me laughing in tears
@truthlovebliss
@truthlovebliss 4 года назад
Much gratitude for this video, thank you so much Leon! I was born into a [new religious movement] and listening to all the rationalism & empiricism contained herein, heals, helps, and gives me personal growth on a level that I don't know if words can describe. In all candor, I'll watch this video a number of times over to better comprehend it. Best Wishes!
@felixthehuman
@felixthehuman 6 лет назад
Emergence is what we usually invoked in biology to explain why molecular biology, cytology, histology, physiology, organismal biology and ecology have to come up with independent concepts to make sense of life at each level. But it seems like emergentism hardly comes up outside of biology-maybe because it's more of an observation ("higher levels have new properties") than an explanation.
@PyrrhosHans
@PyrrhosHans 6 лет назад
Wow, when did content Daddy jump the 50k subscriber mark? Congratulations!
@GetH0NEY
@GetH0NEY 3 года назад
Yo, peep the sub count 2 years later.
@Agnipusph
@Agnipusph 21 день назад
Check the Sub count now
@bb1111116
@bb1111116 6 лет назад
Insightful video essay which goes beyond my knowledge of philosophy. As for the film, I was very impressed with it as a blend of serialism, science fiction & comedy. It is one of the few movies after Fellini which reminds me of his most surreal style.
@TheSionThomas
@TheSionThomas 4 года назад
I can follow the social / political media criticism videos but this one blew my, forgive the pun - mind. 'malkovich, malkovich, malkovich'.
@shotx333
@shotx333 4 месяца назад
Watching the rapid growth of AI I decided to rewatch Being John Malkovich and remembered your brilliant channel too
@FlintTD
@FlintTD 5 лет назад
"There is no portal with which to escape."
@nanasshi0711
@nanasshi0711 4 года назад
this is a common debate surrounding the philosophy of vedanta in hinduism. don't worry, neither is completely wrong. how we understand it depends on the depth of our inner desire which in some part correlates with the concept of reincarnation
@jakekilos4748
@jakekilos4748 Год назад
I smoked salvia and was experiencing someone else’s life for about 3 secs before coming back to my own body. Exactly like this movie.
@user-vj1we6ru3u
@user-vj1we6ru3u 4 года назад
This movie went way over my head
@shanebagel
@shanebagel 3 года назад
Lol i feel this
@andrewburgemeister6684
@andrewburgemeister6684 2 года назад
@@shanebagel Charlie Kaufman for you!!
@CorbCorbin
@CorbCorbin 6 лет назад
Excellent
@lukechapman7084
@lukechapman7084 5 лет назад
Glad you decided to end on a happy note :(
@crimsonpriestess
@crimsonpriestess 6 лет назад
Galaxy brain
@standardprotocolformat6090
@standardprotocolformat6090 8 месяцев назад
Thanks For this Was about to watch the Movie but wanted a clean Review
@petersonj198
@petersonj198 6 лет назад
Thanks for the great episode! Love this movie!
@tubiko
@tubiko 5 лет назад
Wonderful explanation... 👍
@Hecatonicosachoron
@Hecatonicosachoron 6 лет назад
In a way a kind of dualism is true: emergence.
@AA5AA5AA
@AA5AA5AA 4 года назад
Amazing analysis! wow
@user-xn9kd5lm8v
@user-xn9kd5lm8v 6 лет назад
Awesome.
@NicoleBe
@NicoleBe Год назад
I haven’t even thought of this philosophical side of the movie, I thought it was more psychological than philosophical
@sadafhashemi752
@sadafhashemi752 6 месяцев назад
wow thanks!
@gjhodson39
@gjhodson39 11 месяцев назад
I'd love to see a review of modern movies that end with a couple of women entering a relationship, supplanting the central man, and escaping their previous confines. It's not quite a trope yet, but it is a pattern and this might be the first example.
@AirCanMaster
@AirCanMaster 6 лет назад
Ha Cartesian Dualism incidentally is some dramatic shit in philosophy history. Newton and Galileo were heretics obviously, and Fate makes for an interesting deterministic pallet, but DesCartes gave such a juicy rationale. This movie and its characters made for a good template to discuss the mind-body problem. Interesting video.
@kaushalsuvarna5156
@kaushalsuvarna5156 4 года назад
Great video These are things I've been thinking about, and I have a query - even though consciousness needs a brain and is compromised to some extent with brain damage (beautifully shown in V S Ramachandran's Phantoms in the Brain) isn't it still possible that the physical brain is a vessel/portal and, of course, the ship being damaged, consciousness would have challenges but might still be beyond the physical brain? I know part of this line of reasoning is magical thinking, but there have been enough magical instances in people close to me that I'm forced to consider that there might be something beyond the brain/body
@mediatransmission
@mediatransmission 4 месяца назад
Did this video get copyright claimed for you? If so, what did you do to resolve it?
@mario.chichmanov
@mario.chichmanov 5 лет назад
Really good content But it's much to follow and a little confusing
@curiousworld7912
@curiousworld7912 6 лет назад
Would Aristotle's prime or unmoved mover philosophy be a reasonable argument against a purely materialistic view of existence?
@renegadecut9875
@renegadecut9875 6 лет назад
"Unmoved mover" (whether explained by Aristotle or Aquinas) is garbage. I made a whole video about it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QPuUerPZ_xc.html If you don't want to sit through it, here are the basics. The cosmological argument states that every action has a cause but every cause is itself caused by something else. In order to avoid infinite regression, apologists say that we must form a "first cause" that is "uncaused" and that first cause (somehow) must be God. This is called special pleading. It asserts without any particular reason that everything except God needs a cause. It does not solve infinite regression. If God can exist without cause, we could just as easily say that the universe itself is uncaused. This proposal has just as much clarity as the hypothesis that God created the universe except that it requires fewer additional assumptions. All things being equal, a material universe is preferred. Aristotle and later Aquinas did not seem to understand infinite regress as well as they claimed. If we accept the idea of infinite regression of causes could not exist because there would be no first cause, we could ask how many thoughts or actions did God have before creating the universe. Every thought or action must have been caused by another thought or action preceding it since Aquinas claimed nothing could be its own cause. Even if Aristotle and Aquinas were right about a first cause, it does not prove anything supernatural. All it would prove is there being a first cause. It does not prove this first cause is sentient or had any interest in creating humans, etc. It has no more validity than someone asking why the sun shines so bright, and failing an answer, someone says "God." The first cause argument does the same. It assigns a phenomenon to God without anything more credible than the initial statement of belief. Something unexplained does not somehow default to God. The cosmological arguments are widely dismissed in philosophy, even among theists. Theistic philosophers who desire evidence know that "first cause" doesn't work. Atheistic philosophers come to the same conclusion, albeit for potentially different reasons. Any bare bones 101 lesson on the topic would have that conclusion. Here is a decent video on the subject: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TgisehuGOyY.html Since this isn't too relevant to the video, I'll call it a day here. If you want to comment under the episode I made on infinite regression, best do that there. Thanks.
@CorbCorbin
@CorbCorbin 6 лет назад
susan price He gave you an excellent answer, but I highly recommend, watching the video, as it's very good.
@MichiganJFrog.
@MichiganJFrog. 2 года назад
The transcendental argument proves the necessity of God's existence
@alexpetrovich85
@alexpetrovich85 3 года назад
Genesis
@crumbtember
@crumbtember Год назад
It doesn't seem idealism is opposed to materialism 😮
@willibilli7715
@willibilli7715 3 года назад
Perfect Movie for LSD
@tiffanys.4250
@tiffanys.4250 4 года назад
Also interesting that the portal picks the host, not Lester or the loser guy.
@Happy_HIbiscus
@Happy_HIbiscus 4 года назад
Malkovich 🙂🙂🙂🙂
@ONFIREYO
@ONFIREYO 4 года назад
So consciousness is memory? Memory of values? or value systems?
@RedVelvetUnderground333
@RedVelvetUnderground333 3 года назад
This movie is how ketamine feels, like puppeteering a raggedy body, great to watch on k
@bulldogtonyyt1116
@bulldogtonyyt1116 5 лет назад
Physical=something you can touch, feel, control, interact with! Materialism=consciousness! I'm so confused! Malkovich: Me too! Lol!
@dinoatcharterdotnet
@dinoatcharterdotnet 3 года назад
This movie was dumb and bizarre.
@computationalerror69
@computationalerror69 6 месяцев назад
if everything smells like shit maybe it’s you who shat your pants - russian proverb
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